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Re: In-Process 8th February

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Zahra & List:
You may use the NVDA manual and other documents as study guides before writing the certification test. If you pass, this is great news. If you do not, note the answers you got right and research the ones you did not get correct. Then when you may rewrite the certification test, do so. Your score will likely improve a lot.

I believe Iran is under USA and United Nations sanctions to do with the Government's alleged nuclear weapons program, not permitting other currencies to be traded for Iranian banknotes.
If you pass the certification test, and are able to travel to another land not subject to financial sanctions, then I expect you could pay for your certificate of proficiency at that time.

In the meanwhile, you are still qualified, so may train others in English & Farcie and perhaps Arabic, in the use of NVDA. NVDA will be able to attest to you having passed their certification, although at present, you are unable to pay for the certificate.

You can also transliterate the NVDA documentation, together with your own notes to augment it, into Farce and perhaps Arabic.
At least I trust this is how you can proceed.

Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zahra
Sent: February 7, 2019 11:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process 8th February

hi again.
I wish to be in the list of certificate people.
but what can I do when we can't pay in Iran?
On 2/7/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Zahra,

You can complete the test for free, but if you pass and wish to be
listed on the certification page, you need to purchase the certificate.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:39 PM Zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi Quentin.
I really wished to participate in your certification test.
but it's not free and also, you have some commercial books which we
should have for test for test which is not possible buying them from
Iran!
what should I do in this case?
4
On 2/7/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process features an interview with the NVDA
Certified
Expert
who received our 100th certification, as well as some handy
keystrokes to find where the focus is. Thanks to the conversation
on here which
prompted
that piece.

You can find In-Process here:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-8th-february-2019/

Kind regards

Quentin.

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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



--
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where I give all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Problems With NVDA

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Dear Ibrahim Ajayi && List:
Some Android telephones can increase their working RAM with an SD card, however, if your computer is a laptop, the SD card will normally only provide storage for files, not increase the working RAM.

To upgrade the RAM,, you need to first check with the laptop maker as to the maximum RAM it Can address. Then review your RAM chips, often in a compartment under the laptop. If all slots are full, you need to replace the presently installed RAM with larger RAM chips. You unclip the present Rams, set them aside, and plug in the new RAM. Upon power-up,, the PC will be using the new RAM which should make programs run a bit faster ESPECIALLY IF several are running at once or you are editing huge files, such as audio recordings.
I trust this explains the difference between what an SD card and RAM chips will do to the laptop.
Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: February 7, 2019 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA

umm, you're confusing ram and storage. An SD card won't give you more ram, that will only provide more external storage. swapping SD cards allows you to copy more files to those cards, but does nothing for your RAM, which is where programs run. 2GB is pretty low for any version of windows, except if you're using a tablet, there's not much you can do about it. If you're on a pc, it's (usually) easy to upgrade the ram in the computer, providing you have empty slots or the ram you have isn't maxed out. Most machines can only take a limited amount of ram, and you need to know what that limit is before trying to upgrade the machine.
However, though I don't know for sure, it sounds to me like you're talking about a tablet, in which case, the ram isn't upgradable.

On 2/7/2019 7:05 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hello again:
I thank all those who found time to respond to my issue.
Brian, My GB Ram is a low grid. It is just 2GB. But even with that I
don't have this problem with JAWS. But as I said yesterday, chrome
appears to be reasonably fine with the screen reader, although Firefox
and internet explorer are almost unusable.
I am thinking of increasing my GB ram with an SD Card.
Regards.
Ibrahim.
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Well I'd not go that far but it is faster on lower spec machines,
certainly.
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From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA


Use Chrome, it is better than either Firefox or Internet Explorer.

All the best

Steve

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim
Ajayi
Sent: 07 February 2019 00:07
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA

Hello:
I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader.
The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing the internet.
When I am doing some other work like word processing or reading
documents off line, it is not slow.
This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't have
this slow

problems online with JAWS. I use a demo copy of JAWS.
Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launch a
web browser like internet explorer or Firefox, I hear "internet
explorer unknown" or "Firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and
when I press the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing. Some
times, when I am on a

site, or trying to open a site, the screen reader crashes, and
disables the

computer itself. I just have to shut it down, and then restart it
all over

again.
Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screen reader?
I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop.
I have the latest update of the screen reader.
Hope to read a helpful response.
I am Ibrahim.


Re: Obtaining Outlook2019

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Yes as there are several options. You may wish to use the subscription model version and if you keep paying you get all the updates. it really depends on your needs and whether always being up to date matters.
Myself I don't really care, though will probably consider it for Windows 10 when I decide to move, since outlook express is a pain to adapt to 10 anode word I use on 7 won't even install on 10.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 5:45 AM
Subject: [nvda] Obtaining Outlook2019


Dear Molly & List:
Outlook2019 is a paid-for product from Microsoft. You may purchase it from
the Microsoft Store if available as a single program, or purchase Office2019
which includes it, except in the Student/Teacher edition.
The main@TechTalk.groups.io
<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> list is probably a more appropriate forum
to ask about non-NVDA questions.
Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.




Re: NVDA and sounds

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At the risk of being too frivolous, the old Victor Borge comedy skit where he proposes that every punctuation mark should have a sound when being read is worth a listen. It will be on Youtube if you have not encountered it before. Its very old, he has been dead for years. Ahead of his time.
Brian

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LOL it really would be sooo funny to have something like that in NVDA!

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 13/02/2019 22:34, Chris Shook escreveu:
Here's how it works with JAWS.
1. Go to dictionary manager.
2. Press Shit control D. THis will open the default dictionary manager.
3. CLick on the add button.

4. Go to the actual world field.
5. Type the word in the actual word field.
6. Tab to the select sound button.
7. Go to the list of sounds that come up.
8 When you find the sound you want, click enter.
9. If you want to test the sound press the play button.
10. If you like the sound, press control S to save the changes.
11. Exit the dictionary.

The sounds are various. My personal favorite one was starter pistol.






Re: NVDA and sounds

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Just to be sure, do you mean a sound on certain types of concepts, or sounds allied to certain words directly?
There is a 3D sound thing for nvda, and does help with showing the layout of a screen, but it will not work well in the next versions of nvda unless somebody fixes it.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sounds


I had never heard about this concept before your message. How is it? An
add-on to perform such a thing would be quite interesting.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 13/02/2019 21:22, Chris Shook escreveu:
Queck question.
JAWS had a way to link sounds with words using the Dictionary manager.
Is there an addon for NVDA that can do the same thing?






Re: NVDA and power point

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The ones I hat are those designed to be so ornate that even the writing is a graphic.
ug.
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Thanks.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Wells
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 3:59 PM
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F5 should switch to slide view.

On 2/13/2019 2:31 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
Hi,
Can someone remind me how to switch to slide show view on power point
using NVDA?



Re: how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints

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Well surely that is their fault not yours, Over here in the UK reasonable adjustments would cover making stuff at least readable in the equality act. Its not a lot to ask these days.
Brian

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Thanks.

Most of the pdf files are okay. Though I did have to tell NVDA to stop saying clickable. But the textbook on blackboard are scanned and well… not fun.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 5:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints



Pdf is not to bad unless its a scanned image most of pdfs are ok.

If its not there are ways to get it, if you can email that pdf to yourself in gmail, you can click the view as html and it will do so and you can save that I think.

It won't be tabled just a single column of text but it can be done.





On 14/02/2019 9:53 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

I don't love pdf, but when my professors ship powerpoint, I'm usually in a hurry for the information. So, I open the powerpoint and thump it to pdf using powerpoint's save as feature. Then I get a heading structure and access to tables.

Best,

Erik

On February 13, 2019 3:34:32 PM "molly the blind tech lover" <mailto:brainardmolly@...> <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again ūüėÄ

I need to access somepowerpoints for school. How do I get NVDA to read them?

Thanks. And sorry if I’m asking a question that has already been answered.


Re: Accessibility tips on this website would be appreciated

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Yes but intelligent alt tagging can help here. What I think he needs to know is if google have cracked it. Since I could not make any sense of their site either, I suspect its still a grey area. after all it is a bit like tactile maps. You need to be able to emboss them. Here we have a three d object and yet it has to be shoved down a serial one dimensional channel and made sense of.The reason sight works is that its a wide band medium and one can see context, not just what is where the focus is. I often point out to web builders that they need to imagine they are viewing their site only through a long narrow tube like the centre of a toilet roll. No context of what you see is visible, and hence the person using the site is at a disadvantage, a bit like a fly in the middle of a maze who cannot fly over the hedges as his wings are broken.
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Greg,
This is my experience. Other people may have a different one, but here it goes.
I am totally blind. As a general rule, no screen reader, whether free or commercial will describe pictures.
From what I've seen, a screen reader will only read the text around a graphic.


Re: Accessibility tips on this website would be appreciated

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That is terrible. they should go and read the specs. I understand that gov sites in the US have to adhere to certain standards, and nobody would ever suggest that this is just using the tab key these days. Nvda itself can navigate by landmarks, headings buttons form fields links etc etc etc.
I think I'll leave it to others with a better memory for the actual web sites with the accredited stuff on.
I would though think that from the sounds of it, your customers need to read the docs as well as tab order can be important but its most certainly far too narrow an aspect to base access on. Brian

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Chris, I'm not blind....and so I am very inexperienced with NVDA. but most of my work is done for governments (in the U.S.).....and no two of them adhere to the same standard for the accessibility of their content. I deal with marketing directors and most of them have no idea what a screenreader is or does....but they have may have been told that if you can tab through the project, then it should be OK. Let me explain further. The panoramas that I shoot are the same specialized type of photography that is found on Google Street View. If you can imagine a sphere or a ball....and being inside the sphere in a chair with the photo of everything around you shown pictorially on the curved wall of the sphere while you push the sphere around with your mouse, you will appreciate the nature of the accessibility problem. To be sure, the more detailed the description of each panoramic scene, the better I'm sure. So, having said that, I would be interested in getting opinion from this forum regarding the accessibility of Google Street View.

My problem is, that when I am doing sales, I might actually only get 2 out of 10 people that I call to look at my stuff. And I know for a fact that some those that do, are using their tab key as a test...and if it doesn't jump to all of the elements on the page, they will disqualify me and I will never talk with them again. That is why I asked about Google Street View. When test it using NVDA....and I get into the Photos or Street View Section, I can only get NVDA to speak "photo 1, photo 2, photo 3, etc.) In some cases they have better captions then that, but I don't know how to manipulate NVDA to get to them. Thank you for your response!
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Re: Accessibility tips on this website would be appreciated

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Basically then, if Flash is at all involved you are probably sunk.
The guy may be a genius, but I certainly think you might need to consider a simpler system for access users.
I've come across this sort of thing many times where there is no equivalent accessible way to interact with the graphic content.

Brian

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Hmmm. Jackie....I'm glad that you can see all that. The development program I'm using is called KR Pano and it was created by this guy in Austria named Klaus Reinfeld....who I think is a genius. It is based on his own javascript recipe with a flash fallback for machines with older graphics cards. It uses a unique type of .xml programming to incorporate all of this other content into the panoramas....like youtube videos, still image galleries, straight line video, etc. All of that extra stuff is cool....but it really complicates the screen reader accessibility because the screen reader focuses on the skin....or very outside of the spherical image which takes up the entire screen...and there is no easy way to penetrate into the panorama itself where there may be buttons or iframes that are embedded into inside wall of the panorama.
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Re: ie unsafe dolphin users

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It now has a very good auto scripting kind of menu driven configuration, but sadly few have the patience to use it, including their own engineers.
I do still use their OCR from time to time, but apart from that its a bit sad really.
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Just for info even though non-NVDA related.Dolphin were founded in the
mid-80's to further the development of the HAL screenreader primarily - the
forerunner of Supernova. HAL was very popular in those early days when
there were very few packages around but it started to lose influence once
the likes of Vocal-Eyes and JAWS for DOS gained market share. When
Supernova eventually came along, although it was very good at what it did
with certain software, it did not have the flexibility of other packages.



Cheers

Richard Bartholomew





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie
Chavarria
Sent: 13 February 2019 23:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ie unsafe dolphin users



Hi, Brad,



For years now I thought Dolphin was a screen reader. Thanks for the
correction.



Rosemarie







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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] ie unsafe dolphin users



Dolphin is not a screen reader, rather it is a company in the U.K. that
markets several access technology software products. Their primary product
is the SuperNova Access Suite, which includes a screen reader and screen
magnification product.

Dolphin is pretty big in Europe, but not so widely used in the United
States, though they have been around for a while.




- Brad -





On Feb 13, 2019, at 17:04, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...
<mailto:michaelrbms@...> > wrote:



This piece of screen reading package is common in European countries.
they're located in England.






Michael Munn

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National Federation of the Blind of Virginia www.nfbv.org
<http://www.nfbv.org/>

Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students

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<http://www.nfbmd.org/>

Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

www.hadley.edu <http://www.hadley.edu/>







On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 9:45 AM molly the blind tech lover
<brainardmolly@... <mailto:brainardmolly@...> > wrote:

I've never heard of dolphin before lol.

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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Chris Shook
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Subject: Re: [nvda] ie unsafe dolphin users

Dolpin is a screen reader. If your ranking screen readers it is usually
ranked as third.
I don't know mch about it besides it's supposedly not as good as job and
that it is commercial so you have to buy it.














Re: ie unsafe dolphin users

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Supernova is the screenreade series these days, you can have magnification sound and Braille depending on the cost you want to pay. Before had Hal, Supernova and Cypher.

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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:10 PM
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Hi, Brad,



For years now I thought Dolphin was a screen reader. Thanks for the
correction.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brad
Snyder
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ie unsafe dolphin users



Dolphin is not a screen reader, rather it is a company in the U.K. that
markets several access technology software products. Their primary product
is the SuperNova Access Suite, which includes a screen reader and screen
magnification product.

Dolphin is pretty big in Europe, but not so widely used in the United
States, though they have been around for a while.




- Brad -






On Feb 13, 2019, at 17:04, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...
<mailto:michaelrbms@...> > wrote:



This piece of screen reading package is common in European countries.
they're located in England.






Michael Munn

Member: Virginia Association of Blind students

National Federation of the Blind of Virginia www.nfbv.org
<http://www.nfbv.org/>

Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of Maryland www.nfbmd.org
<http://www.nfbmd.org/>

Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

www.hadley.edu <http://www.hadley.edu/>







On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 9:45 AM molly the blind tech lover
<brainardmolly@... <mailto:brainardmolly@...> > wrote:

I've never heard of dolphin before lol.

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<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Chris Shook
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Subject: Re: [nvda] ie unsafe dolphin users

Dolpin is a screen reader. If your ranking screen readers it is usually
ranked as third.
I don't know mch about it besides it's supposedly not as good as job and
that it is commercial so you have to buy it.















Re: ie unsafe dolphin users

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Its a citation like a whale.. Oh, you mean in the sense of access? they are originally a UK company who make screenreaders. Indeed they used to be leaders, but have very much fallen behind since windows 10 came out in my view.

The do make a free app for mobile phones though for books etc, which has been gaining a lot of friends called Easyreader. Of course as its free they are not going to make much from it.

In my view they simply lost the plot when they bought Guide and put a lot of resources into a dumbed down self voicing windows suite that they thought every pensioner would buy, but didn't.
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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ie unsafe dolphin users


What is dolphin?

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 4:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ie unsafe dolphin users

Hi.

Small message to all users of dolphin stuff, email support and tell them to hurry up with using modern brousers or something.

Yeah dolphin seem to be slowly crawling towards modern brousers.

If you are a dolphin user, ie is the best brouser to use,.

Its the only brouser to use.

This is utterly disgusting and is pritty much an insult to all users because everyone else has caught up.

I don't care to bash, but here I am a user mostly past but still a user bashing dolphin because they have been slow for like ages, and ie is basically on the way out.

You really wander if dolphin have a death wish everyone has jumpped ship allready.

Now, pass this to whoever gives a damn.

And another thing, don't discuss any of this on here, I don't want to generate a thread on this or anything this is just a notification to users to ask dolphin nicely to use something like chromium at least is all if its only 1 brouser they can take.

If they can handle chrome and chromeum, fire and waterfox, etc then maybe.

To be honest we shouldn't be asking our what is usually or has been for ages a reasonable reader company to move their collective but but its like been over 10 years and I think ie8 has been the last version we can use, maybe we can use 11 now but still its been like that for ages.


Re: some discoveries about the sluggishness in excel 2016

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It sounds then, if I read you right that in the case of jaws, it knows there will be a performance hit, and takes it ones and caches the result so it does not need to recalculate the situation every time you move the focus it simply moves it in the cache. But one supposes that if you alter something it would need to write that, and re read the situation then. My feeling is that these delays are the sluggish UIA that Microsoft use.
I have to say I do not use that software for anything that challenging so probably never notice!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexandre Alves Toco" <alexandretoco@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] some discoveries about the sluggishness in excel 2016


Hi friends.
I already sent my thoughts to info@.... But I decided to post it here just in case some one can examine it too.
I have a worksheet where the navigation is slow with nvda.
When I examined it with jaws, it identified the column headers as dropdown lists whereas nvda only read the text.
Nevertheless, if I go to the column header cell with nvda and press alt + downarrow, it reads the options to filter and sort the lines.
When I open another worksheet, this time only with simple columns, the navigation with nvda goes with normal speed.
So my conclusion is thath the sluggishness is related with the resource that allows the dropdown lists. It sounds like in every arrowkey press, nvda is requesting excel to redo the filter or sort.
Jaws does it once because, when I change the focus to the worksheet, it says ‚Äúplease wait‚ÄĚ and a second laer I can navigate with normal speed.
I know that I can’t put attachments to the list. So, if some one want the example worksheet to test, please e-mail me.

Regards


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Re: how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints

Christo de Klerk
 

Thank you so much. This is really excellent and very helpful.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2019/02/13 10:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


A few years back i put together a tutorial on making a basic power point slide show  and what keys etc to use.


it will also depend how they have it set up automatic changing of slides or manual.


the tutorial is below and can also be found off my nvda tutorials for other programs page.


How to create a PowerPoint presentation with NVDA
When you open up PowerPoint it will automatically go to the first slide. This will open in slide view and this will be spoken out by NVDA. In the first slide, if you tab, you will hear the following: Subtitle placeholder and Centre Title placeholder.
If you press the Enter key on either of these options, an editable box will come up. Here, type in your text. When finished, press the Escape key, then tab to the next item and repeat the process (as in the first option given). Make sure after you have typed in your text to press the Escape key. Next, if you use the Tab key you will hear what is written in each section. You may also wish to add other items such as links, pictures or sounds etcetera to your presentation.
Adding extra slides
When you have finished creating your first slide, in most cases you will want to add extra slides to the presentation. To add another slide as you go use the New Slide (Ctrl + M) shortcut. When a new slide is added you will hear NVDA say slide 2 slide view.
This time when you use the Tab key you will hear NVDA say Title placeholder and Object placeholder. Repeat the steps as were done in slide one.
You will notice as you add extra slides NVDA will say the number of the slide.
To go between slides you have created
As you create your presentation the more slides you add you will hear the number of the slides go from number one to the number where you have finished your last slide (for example slide 20).
You can use the page up key to take you back through your presentation until you arrive back at slide one. If you use the page down key, you can go forwards through the presentation back to your last slide (for example slide 20). You might hear NVDA also say slide show complete.
To get quickly to the start of your PowerPoint presentation or to the end of it
To quickly get back to your first slide you can use the Home key. This will take you to the very first slide you created and you should hear the contents of the slide read out.  
To quickly get to the very last slide of your presentation you can use the End key. You should hear the name of the very last slide read out and its contents.
Using the F6 key to go between Windows
If you go back to your very first slide, then start pushing the F6 key, you will hear NVDA say the following: slide one slide view. Press the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say status bar, ribbon tab home. Press the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say slide one notes page multiline. Press the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say thumbnail one of however many slides you have created. Press the F6 key again and you will be back to where you started.
Adding notes to your slides
If you would like to add a note to your presentation (on the slide that you are on), when you hear NVDA say slide notes page - type your note in here.
When you hear NVDA say thumb nails number one of whatever is your last slide, you can use your down and up arrow keys to go between each slide.
Watching the PowerPoint presentation you have created
To start your slide show, press the F5 key. This will start your PowerPoint presentation at the beginning of the PowerPoint you have created.
You can then either use the Enter key or the Spacebar to go to the next slide (from start to finish) of your PowerPoint. NVDA will read the slides from top to bottom. You will hear when your slide show is finished with NVDA saying PowerPoint complete at the end of the slide show.
The PowerPoint presentation can also be automated, so it changes slides at set intervals between slides. You may have to play around with the timing so the slide is not quicker than NVDA reading out the slide. To have a set interval between each slide that is the same use Alt + the letter K, then the letter I. When you hear the following read out this is the time between each slide 00:00.00. You can use the up and down arrow keys to adjust the time between each slide.  These will all be set to the same length of time you specified (for example 10 seconds) before it goes to the next slide.
Inserting a picture into your PowerPoint presentation
Whenever you insert pictures, graphs, etcetera into your PowerPoint presentation, please also add Alt text to the graphics in the slide at the same time. This way, when the screen reader comes to the picture, it will read out the Alt text in the graphic. This helps a blind or visually impaired student know what that picture/graphic is about. Alt text refers to alternate text.
To insert a picture into your slide show (on the current slide), press the Alt key + the letter N. Next, press the letter P, then the Enter key. A dialogue box will come up. You can tab and shift tab around it to locate your photo. In this area it will ask you what type of photo you want to insert (as in the format of the photo) and give you the option to find it on your computer or portable media. When you have located your picture, press the Enter key on it and that picture will be inserted into the slide show.
Next, use the application key and you will be given a selection of menus to arrow through. Arrow to the format picture menu, then press the Enter key. When the next screen comes up, you will be given quite a few options and might hear NVDA say Picture Corrections List. You will need to locate the Alt text menu. This might be a matter of arrowing right or left to get to the tab. You can also tab through the different sections there under the different menus.
Under the Alt text section, when you first tab, it will give you the option to give the picture a title. Enter in whatever you want to in this section (for example Dog playing in the snow). The next time you tab, it will let you put in a description about the photo (for example our house all covered in snow with the dog playing in the snow and children chucking snow balls at each other). Next, tab down to the close button then press the Enter key. Now, the Alt text is inserted into the photo you put into the PowerPoint presentation.
You will hear content placeholder when the alternative text in the picture is read out.
Switching between the slide and its accompanying notes
If you would like to switch between the slide and any accompanying notes (if any) you can use the following shortcut. Press Control + Shift + S to switch back and forth between the slide and its accompanying notes.
You must be watching your slide show to do this on each slide.
Adding notes to your presentation
When you are putting together your slide show presentation, there are a couple of ways you can get to the notes section. One is to use the F6 key until you hear NVDA say notes page. Here, enter in your notes, then use the F6 key to cycle you back to slide view.
The second way is to use a shortcut. The shortcut key to get to this section quickly is Alt + R, then C.  Now, type in your comment, and make sure the comment lines up with the slide.
Editing or reviewing each slide
When you are in slide view you can arrow down and up this section to each slide you have created. Locate the slide you want to edit then tab once until you hear NVDA say Centre Title placeholder. Next press the Enter key then an editable dialogue box will come up with whatever you had written in this section before. Make your changes, and press the Escape key. Now it will be updated with the new information you have edited or replaced.
Tab once more until you hear NVDA say Subtitle placeholder, then press the Enter key. Make your changes then press the Escape key and the new information will be updated.
Inserting a hyperlink into your Power Point presentation
From time to time you might want to put a hyperlink into your PowerPoint presentation (that might point to a resource on the internet).
To add a hyperlink into your presentation, work out where in the text you would like the hyperlink to be. For example, to visit the NVAccess website please go to and put your hyper link in here.
When you have found the right spot for the hyperlink to go on your slide, press the application key on your keyboard. When a context menu comes up, arrow until you hear NVDA say the menu that says hyperlink, then press the Enter key. It will ask you to put in the hyperlink address for example http://www.nvaccess.org Once done, tab to the ok button. Then press the Enter key. Now, your hyperlink will be in the slide where you put it.
The shortcut key to insert a hyperlink is Alt + N, then I. This will give you a whole heap of extra options such as (under the Hyperlink section)... Create a link to a Web page, a picture, an e-mail address, or a program.
It is a matter of tabbing through the sections given and adding the parts that you would like to put into your Power Point presentation.
Inserting a table into your slide
To insert a table into your slide, locate where you want it in your slide to be shown.
Next, press the Alt key + the letter N, then the letter T for table and press the Enter key. This is the shortcut key to insert a table into your slide.
You will now be given some options which you can tab through. There are plenty of options to choose from (going from 1x1 Table onwards). You can also use the Shift/Tab key to go back through the options given. If any of the other options suit you, press the Enter key on it.
Find the size of the table you want to put into the slide show then press the Enter key. Your table will now be inserted into your slide.
Turning on the reporting of tables when editing a table
Make sure you have the report tables check box checked under the document formatting section in NVDA; otherwise, you will have no idea of where you are in the table. To do this, use the NVDA key + the Ctrl key + the letter D to quickly get to the document formatting dialogue section within NVDA.
Putting in a customized sized table
There may be times when you want to put in a certain sized table (for example a 3 column by 2 row table).
To do a customized sized table (when you first go into the screen where it gives you a whole lot of options), you will hear NVDA say 1 times 1 table. Shift/tab a couple of times until you hear NVDA say insert table, then press the Enter key. Here you will be able to enter a custom number for your column and a custom number for your rows. Next, tab down to the ok button then press the Enter key, and your new table will be inserted into the PowerPoint slide.
If for any reason you are unsure where NVDA is focused, you can use the NVDA key + the Tab key so NVDA speaks the focused position.
Entering information into your table
You can now tab through the table you have inserted and enter your information into it.
The applications key can be used while in the table to give you other options. These include options such as: insert rows both above and below or insert columns both to the left or right; delete rows and delete columns; merge cells; split cells and select table.
After you have finished inserting information into your table, press the Escape key. You will need to go back to slide view and then play your PowerPoint presentation. You will now hear stuff read out to you from your table. Make sure you note (when entering information into your table) where each tab will take you.
Creating accessible PowerPoint presentations - Office Support
If you would like to know more about how to create an accessible PowerPoint presentation, you may find the following link from Microsoft useful https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Creating-accessible-PowerPoint-presentations-6f7772b2-2f33-4bd2-8ca7-dae3b2b3ef25
Shortcuts you may find useful
Please go to the following link to get shortcuts for PowerPoint 2010/2013, Office etcetera. https://www.dropbox.com/s/r0hc0ejv9whgsgs/Useful%20shortcuts.zip?dl=0



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On 14/02/2019 9:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again ūüėÄ

I need to access somepowerpoints  for school. How do I get NVDA to read them?

Thanks. And sorry if I’m asking a question that has already been answered.

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



Obtaining Outlook2019

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear  Molly & List:

Outlook2019 is a paid-for product from Microsoft. You may purchase it from the Microsoft Store if available as a single program, or purchase Office2019 which includes it, except in the Student/Teacher edition.

The                        main@TechTalk.groups.io list is probably a more appropriate forum to ask about non-NVDA questions.

Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Chris Shook
 

Nymer,
I looked back at the archived messages on this thread. I see that my message was extremely rude to you. I am sorry for the rudeness.
I realize now that you were only trying to help and my response was uncalled for.


Re: NVDA and sounds

Chris Shook
 

JAWS does have an import function that allows you to import the sounds.
In order to compare, the addon would have to have both a list of sounds and a import feature.
As a side note, sorry about the content of the post describing the sound feature in JAWS. I didn't read it before sending.


Re: NVDA and sounds

 

And what if we could choose the sounds direct from our computers?
It was what I was thinking.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 13/02/2019 22:43, Chris Shook escreveu:

Yeah, the addon would probably have to pull the sounds from some sort of website or service.
May be something to suggest to the developers.






Re: ie unsafe dolphin users

Michael Munn
 

I still remember back in the old days that Dectalk and KeynoteGold TTS are the choice of Screen' reader users. I know that Dectalk Express  cost like $2,000 I don't know anything about KeynoteGold. My first interaction with KeyNoteGold was in 2014 on a School's Braille Note Apex32. 
Back to Dolfen; The UK Daniel was the common voice that's being used  when they doing Demos of there Screen Reader features.
I has happen to had  Chance to play with the Software for two months. and I love some of it's features.
Thanks 
Best Regards 
Michael Munn 
Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind




On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 6:48 PM Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
By the way, complementing the information:
The synts are:
SAM, software
Apollo - hardware
Juno - hardware feaatured for laptops

Rui Fontes


Às 23:37 de 13/02/2019, Ian Westerland escreveu:
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> Just to provide a little more information, Dolphin produced some
> synthesizers that claimed to be very close to a real human voice--Apollo
> and Apollo 2.  The first Apollo was a desk top synthesizer and the
> Apollo 2 is a software model.
>
>  From memory, there was a Dolphin Synthesizer as well but I can't
> remember too many details.
>
> We have come such a long way with speach access and, yes, my Screen
> reader of choice is NVDA latest version.   I wouldn't be without it.
>
> Ian Westerland
>
>
>
> On 2/14/2019 10:10 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>> Hi, Brad,
>>
>> For years now I thought Dolphin was a screen reader. Thanks for the
>> correction.
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
>> *Brad Snyder
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2019 3:04 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] ie unsafe dolphin users
>>
>> Dolphin is not a screen reader, rather it is a company in the U.K.
>> that markets several access technology software products.  Their
>> primary product is the SuperNova Access Suite, which includes a screen
>> reader and screen magnification product.
>>
>> Dolphin is pretty big in Europe, but not so widely used in the United
>> States, though they have been around for a while.
>>
>>
>> /- Brad -/
>>
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2019, at 17:04, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...
>> <mailto:michaelrbms@...>> wrote:
>>
>> This piece of screen reading package is common in European countries.
>> they're located in England.
>>
>>
>> Michael Munn
>>
>> Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
>>
>>   National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia www.nfbv.org
>> <http://www.nfbv.org/>
>>
>> Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>
>> National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org
>> <http://www.nfbmd.org/>
>>
>> Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind
>>
>> www.hadley.edu <http://www.hadley.edu/>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 9:45 AM molly the blind tech lover
>> <brainardmolly@... <mailto:brainardmolly@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     I've never heard of dolphin before lol.
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>     <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of
>>     Chris Shook
>>     Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:21 AM
>>     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>     Subject: Re: [nvda] ie unsafe dolphin users
>>
>>     Dolpin is a screen reader. If your ranking screen readers it is
>> usually
>>     ranked as third.
>>     I don't know mch about it besides it's supposedly not as good as
>> job and
>>     that it is commercial so you have to buy it.
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