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Re: Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Hi Sam,

Yes, this version will allow us to fix things with your help in providing the nvda.log. It is not a development version which fixes the changes Microsoft applied, but  it will help to develop a new version of outlook extended.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Donnerstag, 18. Juli 2019 19:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hi Ralf / All,

 

No matter what I do I just get “Not In A Message Window”

I tried in reading a message.

I started a new message and filled out the to, CC and BCC and subject fields and get the same thing.

Pressing alt-1-6 just the same thing.

I tried to shift-tab and don’t see an option to expand headers etc.

 

Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.3-dev-20190718; Author: Cyrille Bougot

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 11:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hi Sam,

Please see below Cyrille her comments and ask.

**** **** ****

 

From: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cyrille via Groups.Io
Sent: Donnerstag, 18. Juli 2019 15:01
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda-addons] Test release - OutlookExtended V1.3-dev-20190718-fixOffice365IDsChange

 

Hello all

Here is a release trying to fix the issue with headers in new Office 365 versions.

Download link:
https://github.com/CyrilleB79/outlookExtended/releases/download/V1.3-dev-20190718-fixOffice365IDsChange/outlookExtended-1.3-dev-20190718.nvda-addon


@Joseph, Noelia, admins:
Could you update download link for dev version on the website?

@Users experimenting issue reading the headers with recent Office 365 version:
Could you perform some or all of the following tests with tis new addon version and the log level set to "DEBUG"?
1. Open a message to read, e.g. from Inbox:
 1a. Try to read headers with Alt+1 to Alt+6
 1b. By pressing Shift+Tab, you may reach a button to expand or reduce the headers. Press it to change the headers state from expanded to collapsed or vice versa and try to read the headers again.
 1c. If you have the opportunity to have signed messages, try to read "Signed by" field by pressing Alt+7, either with headers ewpanded and collapsed.
2. Open a new message (in edition) and fill in the "To", "Cc" and "Bcc" fields
Try to read all the fields with Alt+1 to Alt+6
3. Open NVDA's log with NVDA+F1, save it in a file with Ctrl+S and send it to me. Any comment telling me which test was performed and which works or not is welcomed.
Note: Do not perform these test using confidential e-mails since the headers contents will be logged.

@Ralf:
Could you forward these test instructions to thoses who reported the bug to you?

Thanks.
Cheers,

Cyrille

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Montag, 15. Juli 2019 00:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Ok, I can wait.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: 'Cyrille via Groups.Io' <cyrille.bougot2@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Sam,

 

The fastest way would be to go to the 64bit version of Office 365 as long you have a 64bit Windows.

But don’t forget that you would have to uninstall and re-install Office and that would lead to loosing your Outlook settings.

I wrote Cyrille a message about the problem, She is taking care about the current addon. I’m going to find a solution together with her to get this solved.

I can offer you my older addon outlook enhanced in the meantime, I modified it so that it  works with the new control-ID’s.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Sonntag, 14. Juli 2019 16:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: 'Cyrille via Groups.Io' <cyrille.bougot2@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hi Ralf,

 

Yes, you are correct. Is it better for me to wait until the fix – or better for me to upgrade to the 64bit version?

I would be grateful for your recommendation.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 1:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: 'Cyrille via Groups.Io' <cyrille.bougot2@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hello,

 

I’m one of the co-authors of this addon. Am I right that you are using office365 32bit version?

We discovered a problem that Microsoft changed some control-ID’s in the 32bit versions of Outlook and that’s why the Alt-numkeys aren’t working anymore.

I’m sure that a future update of the addon will handle this issue.

 

Best,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Sonntag, 14. Juli 2019 05:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hi All,

 

I am having a problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2 plugin.

 

I am running NonVisual Desktop Access (NVDA) Version: beta-18028,e579eb02

 

However same issue with the latest official release of NVDA as well.

 

When I press shift-nvda-I or shift-nvda-a the commands work perfectly.

 

But, when I press alt-1-9 I just get the message (Not in a message window).

This is when I am in a message.

 

Any ideas how I can resolve this?

 

Thanks so much for any help.

Sam

 


Re: log file for testing - log didn't come throught eh list who should I send it to?

 

And, as a generic answer to the question:  To the tech with whom you're working or as an attachment to the trouble ticket on github or wherever you happen to be working with someone who requested a log.

Attachments are stripped here, so even if one were to include a log file as an attachment, it will not come through.
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Re: log file for testing - log didn't come throught eh list who should I send it to?

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Just send it to me Sam, my email is novalis7747@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Donnerstag, 18. Juli 2019 20:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] log file for testing - log didn't come throught eh list who should I send it to?

 

Thanks,

Sam

 


Re: SPL Addon Questions

Roger Stewart
 

It is Station Playlist. It includes Station Playlist Studio, Station Playlist Streamer and Playlist Creator. The add on covers all these now. The main program, Station Playlist Studio is D J program for radio and internet broadcasting.  I've been using it for several years now, and the add on is super!
Roger








On 7/18/2019 1:22 PM, Adel Spence wrote:
what is spl?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 12:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] SPL Addon Questions

How do I assign a certain key to be the SPL key?

 

Also, is there more documentation than what is presented in the  Addon help?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 



Re: Logging onto Website

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

If you purchased ebooks, MS shut down that service and is refunding everyone's money.  I don't know about other things you might have purchased.


Hth,

George

On 7/18/2019 12:19 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:
Hi:

When I go to nvaccess.org I find no logon information. Is there a different
website for actualy logging into the system to retrieve items I have purchased?

Chris

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Re: Brltty, anything new

David Csercsics <bleeblat@...>
 

You could try the Linux for Windows subsystem, but again that's for another list/topic. I'll poke around. I don't have an older display to test with exactly, but I can mess around with BRLTTY with what I have and see if we can get something to work. I don't see why we couldn't just use what narrator has already installed. I may ping Microsoft and see if there is a solution to this that's easy. From poking around a tiny bit, it looks like Narrator uses the latest BRLTTY, so it's just a matter of how do we get NVDA to use that. I'll try the Microsoft folks and see if I can get a decent response out of them. I used to use an old PowerBraille too, and I quite liked it.


Re: greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions

Jackie
 

The truth is that many screenreaders have adopted similar commands
now, so that making a transition from 1 to another doesn't have to be
an exercise in agony.

I personally use & prefer Firefox.

The nv-access.org website sells some books to get you started w/the
basics, it's like $24 USD, for the text version, a bit more for the
audio, & goes to support ongoing NVDA development. 2 birds, 1 stone,
great investment.

On 7/18/19, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, welcome to the list. Hey, if you are moving to NVDA. You can still have
Jaws on your computer until you get used to NVDA then once you are fully
there then you can get rid of Jaws. I have both here but I use NVDA for
some things. Then I use Jaws for other things. My room mate is a computer
teacher and uses it for her teaching. I’m newly on win ten.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Phil Jenkins gmail
Sent: July 18, 2019 6:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] greetings from a new user, making transition from
JAWS2018using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program
suggestions

Greetings folks

I’m a 20+ year user of JAWS. Not necessarily because it has been the ‘best’
but rather because it was what my employer and uni’ provided and it simply
became habitual. Now I have to pay for all upgrades myself, and not really
enjoying the ‘drug pusher’  like relationship JAWS has with its users, I
have decided to make the slow but sure move to NVDA. I’ve heard great things
about the screen reader and in fact I’ve heard in many cases I should be
able to do things with NVDA that I cannot do with JAWS.

So my PC is Windows10 with MS-Office.

1                     Is there a document that gives NVDA equivalent
keyboards commands as JAWS, ie if you did X ion JAWS then do Y in NVDA?
Presumably the ‘access’ key is the zero on the num pad that JAWS uses?
2                     What is the best default email client and web browser
to use with  NVDA? Have experience of Outlook, Outlook Express, poor
experience of  Thunderbird. Have used I#e, Firefox and Chrome. No experience
of Edge.
3                     Music player? WMP or WinAmp or something else?
4                     Does NVDA work with any kind of ‘Open Office’ non MS
office suite?


I guess the things I use the most with my old Win7Pro machine that I’m about
to stop using and move to the Win10 machine are:
-          Outlook
-          - IE, Firefox (or Waterfox) and Chrome.
-          Word.
-          Audible Manager
-          Soundtaxi
-          Sendspace
-          Ccleaner
-          Secure Notes
-          Dropbox
-          WMP.

Thanks all and apologies if this question has been asked and asked again,
feel free to point me at web resources that will answer my questions.

Kindest

PJ

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Re: SPL Addon Questions

Adel Spence
 

what is spl?

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 12:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] SPL Addon Questions

How do I assign a certain key to be the SPL key?

 

Also, is there more documentation than what is presented in the  Addon help?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 


log file for testing - log didn't come throught eh list who should I send it to?

Sam Bushman
 

Thanks,

Sam

 


Re: greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions

Arlene
 

Hi, welcome to the list. Hey, if you are moving to NVDA. You can still have Jaws on your computer until you get used to NVDA                then once you are fully there then you can get rid of Jaws.  I have both here but I use NVDA for some things. Then I use Jaws for other things.  My room mate is a computer teacher and uses it for her teaching.  I’m newly on win ten. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Phil Jenkins gmail
Sent: July 18, 2019 6:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions

 

Greetings folks

 

I’m a 20+ year user of JAWS. Not necessarily because it has been the ‘best’ but rather because it was what my employer and uni’ provided and it simply became habitual. Now I have to pay for all upgrades myself, and not really enjoying the ‘drug pusher’  like relationship JAWS has with its users, I have decided to make the slow but sure move to NVDA. I’ve heard great things about the screen reader and in fact I’ve heard in many cases I should be able to do things with NVDA that I cannot do with JAWS.

 

So my PC is Windows10 with MS-Office.

 

1                     Is there a document that gives NVDA equivalent keyboards commands as JAWS, ie if you did X ion JAWS then do Y in NVDA? Presumably the ‘access’ key is the zero on the num pad that JAWS uses?

2                     What is the best default email client and web browser to use with  NVDA? Have experience of Outlook, Outlook Express, poor experience of  Thunderbird. Have used I#e, Firefox and Chrome. No experience of Edge.

3                     Music player? WMP or WinAmp or something else?

4                     Does NVDA work with any kind of ‘Open Office’ non MS office suite?

 

 

I guess the things I use the most with my old Win7Pro machine that I’m about to stop using and move to the Win10 machine are:

-          Outlook

-          - IE, Firefox (or Waterfox) and Chrome.

-          Word.

-          Audible Manager

-          Soundtaxi

-          Sendspace

-          Ccleaner

-          Secure Notes

-          Dropbox

-          WMP.

 

Thanks all and apologies if this question has been asked and asked again, feel free to point me at web resources that will answer my questions.

 

Kindest

 

PJ

 

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Re: Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

Sam Bushman
 

My debug log is attached.

Thanks,

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 11:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hi Sam,

Please see below Cyrille her comments and ask.

**** **** ****

 

From: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cyrille via Groups.Io
Sent: Donnerstag, 18. Juli 2019 15:01
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda-addons] Test release - OutlookExtended V1.3-dev-20190718-fixOffice365IDsChange

 

Hello all

Here is a release trying to fix the issue with headers in new Office 365 versions.

Download link:
https://github.com/CyrilleB79/outlookExtended/releases/download/V1.3-dev-20190718-fixOffice365IDsChange/outlookExtended-1.3-dev-20190718.nvda-addon


@Joseph, Noelia, admins:
Could you update download link for dev version on the website?

@Users experimenting issue reading the headers with recent Office 365 version:
Could you perform some or all of the following tests with tis new addon version and the log level set to "DEBUG"?
1. Open a message to read, e.g. from Inbox:
 1a. Try to read headers with Alt+1 to Alt+6
 1b. By pressing Shift+Tab, you may reach a button to expand or reduce the headers. Press it to change the headers state from expanded to collapsed or vice versa and try to read the headers again.
 1c. If you have the opportunity to have signed messages, try to read "Signed by" field by pressing Alt+7, either with headers ewpanded and collapsed.
2. Open a new message (in edition) and fill in the "To", "Cc" and "Bcc" fields
Try to read all the fields with Alt+1 to Alt+6
3. Open NVDA's log with NVDA+F1, save it in a file with Ctrl+S and send it to me. Any comment telling me which test was performed and which works or not is welcomed.
Note: Do not perform these test using confidential e-mails since the headers contents will be logged.

@Ralf:
Could you forward these test instructions to thoses who reported the bug to you?

Thanks.
Cheers,

Cyrille

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Montag, 15. Juli 2019 00:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Ok, I can wait.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: 'Cyrille via Groups.Io' <cyrille.bougot2@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Sam,

 

The fastest way would be to go to the 64bit version of Office 365 as long you have a 64bit Windows.

But don’t forget that you would have to uninstall and re-install Office and that would lead to loosing your Outlook settings.

I wrote Cyrille a message about the problem, She is taking care about the current addon. I’m going to find a solution together with her to get this solved.

I can offer you my older addon outlook enhanced in the meantime, I modified it so that it  works with the new control-ID’s.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Sonntag, 14. Juli 2019 16:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: 'Cyrille via Groups.Io' <cyrille.bougot2@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hi Ralf,

 

Yes, you are correct. Is it better for me to wait until the fix – or better for me to upgrade to the 64bit version?

I would be grateful for your recommendation.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 1:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: 'Cyrille via Groups.Io' <cyrille.bougot2@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hello,

 

I’m one of the co-authors of this addon. Am I right that you are using office365 32bit version?

We discovered a problem that Microsoft changed some control-ID’s in the 32bit versions of Outlook and that’s why the Alt-numkeys aren’t working anymore.

I’m sure that a future update of the addon will handle this issue.

 

Best,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Sonntag, 14. Juli 2019 05:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hi All,

 

I am having a problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2 plugin.

 

I am running NonVisual Desktop Access (NVDA) Version: beta-18028,e579eb02

 

However same issue with the latest official release of NVDA as well.

 

When I press shift-nvda-I or shift-nvda-a the commands work perfectly.

 

But, when I press alt-1-9 I just get the message (Not in a message window).

This is when I am in a message.

 

Any ideas how I can resolve this?

 

Thanks so much for any help.

Sam

 


Re: greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions

Gene
 

I haven't used Waterfox but it should be either fully accessible or just about fully.  The same with Firefox, and Chrome, both of which I use.  They are completely or just about completely accessible.
 
I haven't used Word much nor open source word processors so I'll let others discuss that. 
 
Whether you use JAWS or not, it’s a good idea to have a demo on your system in case it works better for something enough that you want to use it for a short time during the forty minute running time. 
 
There is an NVDA add-on that allows you to use a system tray dialog similar to that in JAWS, but for now, I'll discuss using the system tray itself.
To get to the system tray, use the command Windows key b.
You can use first letter navigation in the system tray.  You can move using the left and right arrows from item to item as well.
The new version of DropBox doesn't work fully with the system tray add-on in NVDA.  If you want to use the familiar menu you have probably used, move to the Dropbox icon and press enter.  The familiar menu will open. 
 
Here are the commands to use in the System tray.
Double left click is enter.
Single left click is space bar.
Right click is the context menu key.  I would think shift f10 would work as well if you don't have a context menu key, but I haven't checked.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions

Gene

 

Many thanks for this wonderful overview. I’m about to begin a MSc with  The Open University in October. Whilst the Disabled Student Allowance (DSA) ‘might’ buy me a new SMA for JAWS (currently using 2018) I fell out of ‘love’ with JAWS years ago, and since they bought out Window-Eyes and promptly shut them down, I find their business model very distasteful indeed!! My adoption of JAWS was via the workplace and in the past the huge advantage of JAWS was it could be adapted to use very weird and wonderful software environments in the workplace. Now I’m simply an advanced home user who wants to study effectively and efficiently, I think I ought to both  ‘dump’ this Win7Pro PC along with JAWS and when I move to my new Win10 laptop, move completely and use NVDA. Anyhow, that’s my motivation.

 

Yes, I am someone who uses the system tray quite a lot, especially for Dropbox. I nowadays c myself quite an advanced Windows user.

 

Now here’s the question: should I  splash to on Office 365 or can I use some kind of Open Source, free office suite just as well? Mostly all I really need to do is produce quite  long documents when writing my postgrad essays. Of course, any open source free word processor *MUST* work with my tens of thousands of older documents going back to the  late 80’s and most recently .docx files.

 

I had a go with Thunderbird and didn’t find it very easy to use but that’  might be because I was thinking too MS having moved from OE to Outlook and I note from the NVDA site that  Thunderbird is fully accessible? Is Firefox and Waterfox and Chrome too?

 

I guess the NVDA key is the ‘zero’ on the num pad on the right hand side on a full-sized keyboard? Mind you, it might do me some good to use the left  caps lock too given I’m having  major RSI problems in the tendon of my right thumb which I reckon is because of the weird stretches I’m  doing on my  keyboard  despite it supposedly being a ‘Natural’ MS ergonomic keyboard.

 

Again, hugest Thanks

 

PJ

 

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 July 2019 17:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions

 

You talked about making a slow transition to NVDA.  it won't necessarily be that slow.  A lot of what people do with a screen-reader isn't specifically using screen-reader commands.  A lot of it is using Windows and program commands.  there are certain commands you need to know with any screen--reader at the outset, in terms of efficient use and easier use with programs and Windows.

Here are commands and some information you will want to know right away.

 

Run NVDA, control alt n.

Unload NVDA, NVDA key q.  Press it, wait a moment, then press enter.

Working with the voice:

Open the voice dialog with control NVDA key v.

You are in a field where you select the voices available for the synthesizer you are using.  Itsa combo box.

Tab through the fields to see the adjustments you can make.  The second field is for speed, there is a punctuation field, and other fields.  There is an ok button once you have made the settings changes you want.  Using the default NVDA settings, the settings are saved as permanent in the program when you exit NVDA or whenever it shuts down properly such as when you shut down Windows.  You can change the settings whenever you want but they won't stay changed until you change them by exiting the program or manually save them, control NVDA key c.  My point is that if you change them and the program crashes before you manually save them or before the program shuts down correctly in the same session as you changed them, the next time the program opens, the old settings will be used.

 

Let's say you have made a number of changes or even one, to NVDA as an experiment.  If you haven't closed the program or manually saved the settings, you can set everything back as it was before you made the changes with control NVDA key r.  This is very useful to immediately change settings back to what they were if you intend one or more changes to just be during the current session.  Don't forget to change them back before closing the program or the new settings will be saved as the settings the program will use until you change them again. 

 

Read to end is NVDA key down arrow, that is down arrow on the main keyboard.

I use the caps lock as the NVDA key with this command.  I find it far more convenient than using either insert with down arrow.  You can set NvDA to use caps lock as an NVDA key.  Both inserts can still be used. 

Open keyboard settings with control NVDA key k. 

Tab to a check box that allows the caps lock to work as an NVDA key.  Check it with the space bar.  Tab to and activate the ok button.

Now you can use capslock down arrow as well as either insert down arrow for read to end.  Of course,, you may use caps lock as the NVDA key whenever you wish. 

To use the caps lock key as the caps lock key, press it twice quickly--twice quickly for on, twice quickly for off.

Read current line is NVDA key up arrow on the main keyboard.

However, I use the numpad for that command.  It requires only one hand and only one key to be pressed and it is clustered with the other review commands.

Note the pattern:

Read current line:

Numpad 8.

Read next line numpad 9.

Read previous line, numpad 7.

Current word, numpad 5.

Next word, numpad 6.

Previous word, numpad 4.

Current character, numpad 2.

Next character, numpad 3.

Previous character numpad 1.

All these reading commands are when using the default desktop layout.  If you want to use the laptop layout, I don't know those commands.  There is a different command for read to end in the laptop layout as well.

Speak title bar, NVDA key t.

Speak time, NVDA key 12.

If you use the system tray, that will take a little explanation.  NVDA doesn't explain how to use the system tray using it so ask here.

Just about all commands you used to use in the virtual PC cursor are identical to JAWS.

You may want speech instead of sounds and you may want to make a few other changes to how the equivalent of the Virtual PC Cursor works.  Its called browse mode.

If you want more information, ask here.  of course, you can get this information in the user guide and elsewhere, but it will be faster and more convenient to get a few commands here and a little explanation.

 

Aside from what I've said, if you are a more advanced screen-reader user, you will want to know how to use what NVDA calls object navigation.  You will also want to know how to use what NVDA calls screen review, the rough equivalent of the JAWS cursor even if you aren't more advanced. 

I won't go into all that here, but I'm presenting many things you may want to learn at the outset rather than later, though object navigation is something you may want to learn after screen-review.  It is something you haven't worked with before but if its taught properly, you will catch on to it after some looking around and playing around.  If you use materials to learn it and you have problems, ask here and I'll give some examples that may help you learn to use it better.  Explanation, to an extent, when using object navigation is helpful but my experience is that you really learn it by playing around and following a few concrete examples along with and after a little explanation.

 

Here is something very important.  When you use screen review, always go back to object navigation afterwords.  Don't put it off or forget.  If you stay in screen-review, many from the keyboard commands will work properly but some won't and you will have no idea why.  That's why, you are still in screen review.

 

Others may have a good deal of other information you will be interested in such as about instructional material or commands I haven't discussed but my object is to get you using NVDA in a reasonable number of situations as easily and quickly as possible.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard

Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 9:09 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions

 

Hello PJ,


Welcome to this group, and I'm sure you'll enjoy your experience with NVDA.


I've been using it exclusively since 2009, and I've certainly seen it grow.


 From what I read and hear from other users, The two screen readers both
have features that are better than the other, but NvDA is definitely an
excellent product.


About the NVDA Key:  I use both the Insert (or 0) on the keypad, and the
Capslock.


This setup comes in handy, because if you have to go to the NVDA menu,
for example, you can press Capslock with your left hand and the letter N
with your right hand, and so on.


I use LibreOffice, although there are still some accessibility issues
here and there; Thunderbird for email, Firefox, Chrome and Brave as
browsers, and vlc instead of wmp.


As for commands, you find a full list in the Help section of the NVDA
menu (NVDA key + N).


I hope you enjoy your transition, and I'm sure other users will give you
more detailed tips and recommendations.


Take care,

Ciao,

Ollie


Il 18/07/2019 13:48, Phil Jenkins gmail ha scritto:
>
> Greetings folks
>
> I’m a 20+ year user of JAWS. Not necessarily because it has been the
> ‘best’ but rather because it was what my employer and uni’ provided
> and it simply became habitual. Now I have to pay for all upgrades
> myself, and not really enjoying the ‘drug pusher’  like relationship
> JAWS has with its users, I have decided to make the slow but sure move
> to NVDA. I’ve heard great things about the screen reader and in fact
> I’ve heard in many cases I should be able to do things with NVDA that
> I cannot do with JAWS.
>
> So my PC is Windows10 with MS-Office.
>
> 1Is there a document that gives NVDA equivalent keyboards commands as
> JAWS, ie if you did X ion JAWS then do Y in NVDA? Presumably the
> ‘access’ key is the zero on the num pad that JAWS uses?
>
> 2What is the best default email client and web browser to use with
>  NVDA? Have experience of Outlook, Outlook Express, poor experience of
>  Thunderbird. Have used I#e, Firefox and Chrome. No experience of Edge.
>
> 3Music player? WMP or WinAmp or something else?
>
> 4Does NVDA work with any kind of ‘Open Office’ non MS office suite?
>
> I guess the things I use the most with my old Win7Pro machine that I’m
> about to stop using and move to the Win10 machine are:
>
> -Outlook
>
> -- IE, Firefox (or Waterfox) and Chrome.
>
> -Word.
>
> -Audible Manager
>
> -Soundtaxi
>
> -Sendspace
>
> -Ccleaner
>
> -Secure Notes
>
> -Dropbox
>
> -WMP.
>
> Thanks all and apologies if this question has been asked and asked
> again, feel free to point me at web resources that will answer my
> questions.
>
> Kindest
>
> PJ
>
> ~~~
>
> As light fades, vision increases. Blind people have vision! ((c)
> Copyright Ciego 1997)
>
> **Please note**
>
> This email and any attachments are confidential and intended solely
> for the addressee. If you receive this by mistake, please tell me
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>


Re: Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

Sam Bushman
 

Hi Ralf / All,

 

No matter what I do I just get “Not In A Message Window”

I tried in reading a message.

I started a new message and filled out the to, CC and BCC and subject fields and get the same thing.

Pressing alt-1-6 just the same thing.

I tried to shift-tab and don’t see an option to expand headers etc.

 

Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.3-dev-20190718; Author: Cyrille Bougot

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 11:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hi Sam,

Please see below Cyrille her comments and ask.

**** **** ****

 

From: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cyrille via Groups.Io
Sent: Donnerstag, 18. Juli 2019 15:01
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda-addons] Test release - OutlookExtended V1.3-dev-20190718-fixOffice365IDsChange

 

Hello all

Here is a release trying to fix the issue with headers in new Office 365 versions.

Download link:
https://github.com/CyrilleB79/outlookExtended/releases/download/V1.3-dev-20190718-fixOffice365IDsChange/outlookExtended-1.3-dev-20190718.nvda-addon


@Joseph, Noelia, admins:
Could you update download link for dev version on the website?

@Users experimenting issue reading the headers with recent Office 365 version:
Could you perform some or all of the following tests with tis new addon version and the log level set to "DEBUG"?
1. Open a message to read, e.g. from Inbox:
 1a. Try to read headers with Alt+1 to Alt+6
 1b. By pressing Shift+Tab, you may reach a button to expand or reduce the headers. Press it to change the headers state from expanded to collapsed or vice versa and try to read the headers again.
 1c. If you have the opportunity to have signed messages, try to read "Signed by" field by pressing Alt+7, either with headers ewpanded and collapsed.
2. Open a new message (in edition) and fill in the "To", "Cc" and "Bcc" fields
Try to read all the fields with Alt+1 to Alt+6
3. Open NVDA's log with NVDA+F1, save it in a file with Ctrl+S and send it to me. Any comment telling me which test was performed and which works or not is welcomed.
Note: Do not perform these test using confidential e-mails since the headers contents will be logged.

@Ralf:
Could you forward these test instructions to thoses who reported the bug to you?

Thanks.
Cheers,

Cyrille

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Montag, 15. Juli 2019 00:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Ok, I can wait.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: 'Cyrille via Groups.Io' <cyrille.bougot2@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Sam,

 

The fastest way would be to go to the 64bit version of Office 365 as long you have a 64bit Windows.

But don’t forget that you would have to uninstall and re-install Office and that would lead to loosing your Outlook settings.

I wrote Cyrille a message about the problem, She is taking care about the current addon. I’m going to find a solution together with her to get this solved.

I can offer you my older addon outlook enhanced in the meantime, I modified it so that it  works with the new control-ID’s.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Sonntag, 14. Juli 2019 16:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: 'Cyrille via Groups.Io' <cyrille.bougot2@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hi Ralf,

 

Yes, you are correct. Is it better for me to wait until the fix – or better for me to upgrade to the 64bit version?

I would be grateful for your recommendation.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 1:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: 'Cyrille via Groups.Io' <cyrille.bougot2@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hello,

 

I’m one of the co-authors of this addon. Am I right that you are using office365 32bit version?

We discovered a problem that Microsoft changed some control-ID’s in the 32bit versions of Outlook and that’s why the Alt-numkeys aren’t working anymore.

I’m sure that a future update of the addon will handle this issue.

 

Best,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Sonntag, 14. Juli 2019 05:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hi All,

 

I am having a problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2 plugin.

 

I am running NonVisual Desktop Access (NVDA) Version: beta-18028,e579eb02

 

However same issue with the latest official release of NVDA as well.

 

When I press shift-nvda-I or shift-nvda-a the commands work perfectly.

 

But, when I press alt-1-9 I just get the message (Not in a message window).

This is when I am in a message.

 

Any ideas how I can resolve this?

 

Thanks so much for any help.

Sam

 


Re: Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

Sam Bushman
 

Of course sir, how do I put log mode to debug?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 11:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hi Sam,

Please see below Cyrille her comments and ask.

**** **** ****

 

From: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cyrille via Groups.Io
Sent: Donnerstag, 18. Juli 2019 15:01
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda-addons] Test release - OutlookExtended V1.3-dev-20190718-fixOffice365IDsChange

 

Hello all

Here is a release trying to fix the issue with headers in new Office 365 versions.

Download link:
https://github.com/CyrilleB79/outlookExtended/releases/download/V1.3-dev-20190718-fixOffice365IDsChange/outlookExtended-1.3-dev-20190718.nvda-addon


@Joseph, Noelia, admins:
Could you update download link for dev version on the website?

@Users experimenting issue reading the headers with recent Office 365 version:
Could you perform some or all of the following tests with tis new addon version and the log level set to "DEBUG"?
1. Open a message to read, e.g. from Inbox:
 1a. Try to read headers with Alt+1 to Alt+6
 1b. By pressing Shift+Tab, you may reach a button to expand or reduce the headers. Press it to change the headers state from expanded to collapsed or vice versa and try to read the headers again.
 1c. If you have the opportunity to have signed messages, try to read "Signed by" field by pressing Alt+7, either with headers ewpanded and collapsed.
2. Open a new message (in edition) and fill in the "To", "Cc" and "Bcc" fields
Try to read all the fields with Alt+1 to Alt+6
3. Open NVDA's log with NVDA+F1, save it in a file with Ctrl+S and send it to me. Any comment telling me which test was performed and which works or not is welcomed.
Note: Do not perform these test using confidential e-mails since the headers contents will be logged.

@Ralf:
Could you forward these test instructions to thoses who reported the bug to you?

Thanks.
Cheers,

Cyrille

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Montag, 15. Juli 2019 00:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Ok, I can wait.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: 'Cyrille via Groups.Io' <cyrille.bougot2@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Sam,

 

The fastest way would be to go to the 64bit version of Office 365 as long you have a 64bit Windows.

But don’t forget that you would have to uninstall and re-install Office and that would lead to loosing your Outlook settings.

I wrote Cyrille a message about the problem, She is taking care about the current addon. I’m going to find a solution together with her to get this solved.

I can offer you my older addon outlook enhanced in the meantime, I modified it so that it  works with the new control-ID’s.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Sonntag, 14. Juli 2019 16:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: 'Cyrille via Groups.Io' <cyrille.bougot2@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hi Ralf,

 

Yes, you are correct. Is it better for me to wait until the fix – or better for me to upgrade to the 64bit version?

I would be grateful for your recommendation.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 1:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: 'Cyrille via Groups.Io' <cyrille.bougot2@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hello,

 

I’m one of the co-authors of this addon. Am I right that you are using office365 32bit version?

We discovered a problem that Microsoft changed some control-ID’s in the 32bit versions of Outlook and that’s why the Alt-numkeys aren’t working anymore.

I’m sure that a future update of the addon will handle this issue.

 

Best,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Sonntag, 14. Juli 2019 05:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hi All,

 

I am having a problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2 plugin.

 

I am running NonVisual Desktop Access (NVDA) Version: beta-18028,e579eb02

 

However same issue with the latest official release of NVDA as well.

 

When I press shift-nvda-I or shift-nvda-a the commands work perfectly.

 

But, when I press alt-1-9 I just get the message (Not in a message window).

This is when I am in a message.

 

Any ideas how I can resolve this?

 

Thanks so much for any help.

Sam

 


Re: dropbox

Arlene
 

Problem. Was happy to give you help.  If you have jaws as a second screen reader. The person who shared the info is a primary jaws user.  You can fix drop box using it. But I’m glad you were able to use NVDA to fix the problem. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Vincent Le Goff
Sent: July 18, 2019 1:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox

 

Thanks for reporting.  I was rather desperate when I found out I couldn't open my Dropbox folder that easily.  The dropbox window isn't that accessible IMO with NVDA, no matter the installed addons.

 

I reported the issue to Dropbox directly.  Although no answer was sent at this date (that is 10 hours later or so), I find my Dropbox opening normally this morning (though I followed your set of steps).  Again, the preference dialog isn't that accessible with NVDA, though we can manage this modification since it's in the general tab.  I reported my "partial success" to the Dropbox team, asking if possibly accessibility with NVDA and other screen readers could be more tested before features are released.  I do hope for a positive feedback.

 

Thanks again,

 

Vincent

On 7/18/2019 4:40 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi friends:  If your dropbox suddenly looks weird. Here’s how to fix it if you need to

_________________________________________________________________




Howdy All,

 

I just ran into an issue with Dropbox where it wouldn't let me acces my files.  Well, it turned out that it wanted to update and after downloading the

installer and reinstalling Dropbox navigating the folders flat out sucked, so here's how to change the necessary setting for easier navigation.

 

1. Open Dropbox from the system tray, tab to, Access and Manage your Dropbox settings button, and press enter.

 

2. Now tab to, Preferences, and press enter.

 

3. On the General tab, tab to the, Open folders in Dropbox combobox, open this combobox and choose the, Explorer, option.  With Jaws you can open this

combobox with Alt + down arrow and then up arrow to the Explorer option and press enter to close the combobox.  Now tab to, Okay, and press enter to save

and close preferences.

Note:  This can act a little tricky so it might take a couple of attempts to get the Explorer settings change to stick.

If you have a shortcut key that opens Dropbox options, after you openDropbox up arrow to, Preferences, press enter and follow step 3 from above.

Take care. 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Hi Sam,

Please see below Cyrille her comments and ask.

**** **** ****

 

From: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cyrille via Groups.Io
Sent: Donnerstag, 18. Juli 2019 15:01
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda-addons] Test release - OutlookExtended V1.3-dev-20190718-fixOffice365IDsChange

 

Hello all

Here is a release trying to fix the issue with headers in new Office 365 versions.

Download link:
https://github.com/CyrilleB79/outlookExtended/releases/download/V1.3-dev-20190718-fixOffice365IDsChange/outlookExtended-1.3-dev-20190718.nvda-addon


@Joseph, Noelia, admins:
Could you update download link for dev version on the website?

@Users experimenting issue reading the headers with recent Office 365 version:
Could you perform some or all of the following tests with tis new addon version and the log level set to "DEBUG"?
1. Open a message to read, e.g. from Inbox:
 1a. Try to read headers with Alt+1 to Alt+6
 1b. By pressing Shift+Tab, you may reach a button to expand or reduce the headers. Press it to change the headers state from expanded to collapsed or vice versa and try to read the headers again.
 1c. If you have the opportunity to have signed messages, try to read "Signed by" field by pressing Alt+7, either with headers ewpanded and collapsed.
2. Open a new message (in edition) and fill in the "To", "Cc" and "Bcc" fields
Try to read all the fields with Alt+1 to Alt+6
3. Open NVDA's log with NVDA+F1, save it in a file with Ctrl+S and send it to me. Any comment telling me which test was performed and which works or not is welcomed.
Note: Do not perform these test using confidential e-mails since the headers contents will be logged.

@Ralf:
Could you forward these test instructions to thoses who reported the bug to you?

Thanks.
Cheers,

Cyrille

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Montag, 15. Juli 2019 00:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Ok, I can wait.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: 'Cyrille via Groups.Io' <cyrille.bougot2@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Sam,

 

The fastest way would be to go to the 64bit version of Office 365 as long you have a 64bit Windows.

But don’t forget that you would have to uninstall and re-install Office and that would lead to loosing your Outlook settings.

I wrote Cyrille a message about the problem, She is taking care about the current addon. I’m going to find a solution together with her to get this solved.

I can offer you my older addon outlook enhanced in the meantime, I modified it so that it  works with the new control-ID’s.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Sonntag, 14. Juli 2019 16:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: 'Cyrille via Groups.Io' <cyrille.bougot2@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hi Ralf,

 

Yes, you are correct. Is it better for me to wait until the fix – or better for me to upgrade to the 64bit version?

I would be grateful for your recommendation.

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 1:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: 'Cyrille via Groups.Io' <cyrille.bougot2@...>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hello,

 

I’m one of the co-authors of this addon. Am I right that you are using office365 32bit version?

We discovered a problem that Microsoft changed some control-ID’s in the 32bit versions of Outlook and that’s why the Alt-numkeys aren’t working anymore.

I’m sure that a future update of the addon will handle this issue.

 

Best,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Bushman
Sent: Sonntag, 14. Juli 2019 05:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2

 

Hi All,

 

I am having a problem with Outlook Extended; Status: Enabled; Version: 1.2 plugin.

 

I am running NonVisual Desktop Access (NVDA) Version: beta-18028,e579eb02

 

However same issue with the latest official release of NVDA as well.

 

When I press shift-nvda-I or shift-nvda-a the commands work perfectly.

 

But, when I press alt-1-9 I just get the message (Not in a message window).

This is when I am in a message.

 

Any ideas how I can resolve this?

 

Thanks so much for any help.

Sam

 


Re: greetings from a new user, making transition from JAWS2018 using Win10 and looking for tips and tricks and default program suggestions

Luke Davis
 

Phil Jenkins wrote:

Now here’s the question: should I  splash to on Office 365 or can I use some kind of Open Source, free office suite just as well? Mostly all I really need
I wouldn't do either. I used OpenOffice for years, but this year I finally got sick of its issues, and bought a recycled office 2019 license and download from Amazon for $26. I understand the same can be done for even less now, $10-$12 USD.

I guess the NVDA key is the ‘zero’ on the num pad on the right hand side on a full-sized keyboard? Mind you, it might do me some good to use the left  caps
The NVDA key is any of the numpad insert, the regular insert (six-pack on a full size keyboard), or the capslock key. You can turn all three of those on or off as you see fit. They can be used interchangeably, based on your convenience.

Luke


Re: nvda and vlc?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I do all the time. I have 719 videos and now almost 500 subscribers. I won't discuss how I do my video editing here as I can't do that anywhere. I just do it and everyone likes it. But I love it.

Anyway if anyone is interested email me in private and I'll shoot you a. youtube link, or maybe it's in my sig.

Thanks for the vlc tips. I'll try it out later today on my stream.

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On 18 Jul 2019, at 8:18, Ame wrote:

Hi!  I don’t know anything about a mac.  I do know that, to turn things up and down with vlc, all you have to do is use the arrows.  Same with scanning through something.  I think it’s later versions that allow you to just use an arrow.  Alt left or right and control left or right allow you to jump farther over.  As for the equalizer, I never mess with any of that so I’m afraidsomeone else will have to help you there.  Now let me ask you a question.  I’m totally blind and, from what I understand, there must be video content for you to upload to YouTube.  How on earth is someone who can’t see anything gonna manage to upload something.  I’d like to try. 


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Re: dropbox

Phil Jenkins gmail
 

That’s what I do all the time, didn’t know there was a different way?

 

PJ

 

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 July 2019 18:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox

 

I don't know what you mean by prefs but the interface is not properly accessible if you want to do many things.  You can't select more than one item at a time in the list.  You can, therefore, only work with one item at a time.  You can move up and down the list with the up and down arrow keys but you can't use home or end to move to the beginning or end of the list.  These are serious limitations.

If you want full accessibility to the list, as before, you have two or three options. 

Perhaps the best option, which I'll discuss here, is to have Dropbox running, but work with the folders and files in Windows Explorer, or file explorer, whatever your version of Windows calls it. 

How you get there may differ in different versions of Windows so I'll let others with different versions explain how they do so.  I'll just explain Windows 7.

Press the Windows key.

Tab once.  You are on your account specific files.  Press enter.

Type d until you get to Dropbox.

This is the Dropbox folder.

Press enter.

Now, work with Dropbox exactly as before. 

 

Gene

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Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 9:17 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox

 

The prefs are actually very accessible. I used it last night to check some stuff. Everything read and I could do everythign I could before with it.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 18 Jul 2019, at 1:57, Vincent Le Goff wrote:

Thanks for reporting.  I was rather desperate when I found out I couldn't open my Dropbox folder that easily.  The dropbox window isn't that accessible IMO with NVDA, no matter the installed addons.

 

I reported the issue to Dropbox directly.  Although no answer was sent at this date (that is 10 hours later or so), I find my Dropbox opening normally this morning (though I followed your set of steps).  Again, the preference dialog isn't that accessible with NVDA, though we can manage this modification since it's in the general tab.  I reported my "partial success" to the Dropbox team, asking if possibly accessibility with NVDA and other screen readers could be more tested before features are released.  I do hope for a positive feedback.

 

Thanks again,

 

Vincent

On 7/18/2019 4:40 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi friends:  If your dropbox suddenly looks weird. Here’s how to fix it if you need to

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Howdy All,

 

I just ran into an issue with Dropbox where it wouldn't let me acces my files.  Well, it turned out that it wanted to update and after downloading the

installer and reinstalling Dropbox navigating the folders flat out sucked, so here's how to change the necessary setting for easier navigation.

 

1. Open Dropbox from the system tray, tab to, Access and Manage your Dropbox settings button, and press enter.

 

2. Now tab to, Preferences, and press enter.

 

3. On the General tab, tab to the, Open folders in Dropbox combobox, open this combobox and choose the, Explorer, option.  With Jaws you can open this

combobox with Alt + down arrow and then up arrow to the Explorer option and press enter to close the combobox.  Now tab to, Okay, and press enter to save

and close preferences.

Note:  This can act a little tricky so it might take a couple of attempts to get the Explorer settings change to stick.

If you have a shortcut key that opens Dropbox options, after you openDropbox up arrow to, Preferences, press enter and follow step 3 from above.

Take care. 

 

 

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Logging onto Website

Christopher Gray
 

Hi:

When I go to nvaccess.org I find no logon information. Is there a different
website for actualy logging into the system to retrieve items I have purchased?

Chris

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