Date   

Re: backing up thunderbird

Arlene
 

Hi list: Arlene writing from this new laptop. when I tried to put
gmail onto thunderbird I could not do it! My gmail address is old. can
I still do it? If so, how do I tell if this gmail is on imap. How do
do it on the site itself. any help will be appreciated. thanks.

On 3/2/19, The Wolf <hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:
how do you restore your mail using the portable?


On 3/2/2019 6:06 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:

There's an easier way than this. Get ThunderBird portable from
portable apps, and just tell the portable apps client to install
itself in your DropBox or one drive folder or whatever cloud service
you use. This way, the portable apps client, when ran, will
automatically check for TB updates and be on every computer you
personally use.

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Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

 

Pascal asks:  What does it mean switching to "a stable version of Windows?"

Molly answers:  We probably should discuss this on the chat group.


To which I say, Amen!, since the question really isn’t about NVDA.  An even better idea, though, would be considering having a look at the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group Archive: 
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topics

and considering possible membership there.   They also have a subgroup specifically for discussing Windows 10 Insider Versions and Builds (pre-release) among the group membership who are Windows Insiders that aren’t directly relevant to the current version Windows 10 that’s been released.  As is the case for any of the group-subgroup arrangements on Groups.io, you must be a member of the main group before you can subscribe to a subgroup.  For additional information, send a message to the Help address first.

Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users E-Mail Addresses:

Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Insiders Subgroup E-Mail Addresses:

 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And, since there has been a consensus both via private communication and right here on this list that this topic has officially run its course, I will officially declare it closed (and will lock it if that proves to be necessary).

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi 😀
We probably should discuss this on the chat group.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 2:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

What does it mean switching to "a stable version of Windows?"
Forgive what might appear as a dumb question!
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zachary Morris
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 11:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hello,
That was my laptop as well. When it was on insider builds, NVDA would be super slow with UIAa and everywhere in general. NVDA also used to crash during updates, and going back to a stable version of windows helped it significantly.

On 3/2/2019 09:28, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hi ☺
What version of Windows are you running? I found the insider previews made my machine very unstable, which in turn caused NVDA not to work properly. Switching to the latest stable release fixed the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Yes, the issue is the Windows environment which causes havoc with the NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working just fine and the next it is sputtering, stuttering, and you have to restart it so frequently. The situation is so frustrating that I am considering switching to a Mac computer.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.

I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop
up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group
I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left
the project and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep
up with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in
late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right
now, and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to
help? This project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to
fight for it in any way I possibly can.















Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Yes change the topic title as it is misleading.

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

 

Well, that response from the cohort has been quick, and unanimous!

The topic that had been,  Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?, is now this one.  If folks want to continue discussion regarding NVDA and Win10 or just let this topic die, that's fine.

For those of you who killed it off in its previous guise via "Mute this Topic," feel free to immediately do the same for its retitled self.  At least now the group archive, and an active topic, will no longer suggest that NVDA is on its way out when nothing could be further from the truth.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Introducing myself

cisco <audiogamer2004@...>
 

hi. well, the violin is a bit hard to learn, but once you get the hang of it. you are fine.

On 3/2/2019 6:35 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Cisco,

Welcome to this great list. Wow, that's neat you play 3 different musical instruments. I tried taking the violin years ago but I only got as far as Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. I can play a little bit of the piano and my dad taught me how to play the guitar when I was living at home. Need to get back into practice.

Take care. I hope you'll enjpoy our community.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of cisco
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 7:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introducing myself

hi all. thanks for welcoming me so well! i am glad to here that there are some people from my country!

On 3/2/2019 4:14 PM, Mallard wrote:
Hello Cisco,


Welcome to this great group!


I'm from Italy too, and it's so good to know there are such talented
young kids over here!


And you must be very talented indeed, if you can play all those
instrument at such a young age.


I hope you will like our community, and find lots of good advice.


Ciao, take care,

Ollie




Il 02/03/2019 12:26, cisco ha scritto:
Hello all. my name is Cisco and I am from Italy.

I started using NVDA when i was 8 years old, now I am 14..

i am a musitian, who plays the violin, the guitar and the piano.

well, from me, for now, that's all! have a grate day!


Cisco Tissera.








Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

What does it mean switching to "a stable version of Windows?"
Forgive what might appear as a dumb question!
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zachary Morris
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 11:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hello,
That was my laptop as well. When it was on insider builds, NVDA would be super slow with UIAa and everywhere in general. NVDA also used to crash during updates, and going back to a stable version of windows helped it significantly.

On 3/2/2019 09:28, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hi ☺
What version of Windows are you running? I found the insider previews made my machine very unstable, which in turn caused NVDA not to work properly. Switching to the latest stable release fixed the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Yes, the issue is the Windows environment which causes havoc with the NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working just fine and the next it is sputtering, stuttering, and you have to restart it so frequently. The situation is so frustrating that I am considering switching to a Mac computer.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.

I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop
up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group
I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left
the project and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep
up with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in
late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right
now, and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to
help? This project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to
fight for it in any way I possibly can.















Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually I have a better suggestion

Whereas this thread has drifted and whereas the thread was and still causing some confusion and panic and whereas said said panic is unnecessary, therefore bee it resolved on 03-02-2019 that this thread be closed to further comments.

On 2 Mar 2019, at 9:39, ely.r@... wrote:

Brian,

Please do!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 12:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Would anyone object to my retitling this topic?   As new people join and see the title it has a tendency to revive panic (or at least worry) where none is warranted.

If not, I'll do so, then send out an additional message with the revised topic title so that the conversation can continue, but without making anyone believe that NVDA even might be dying.

I'll ask that you all reply to me either with your "that's OK" or "don't do that" votes via the "Reply to Sender" link at the bottom of this message so that the topic itself doesn't end up being flooded with votes.   I'll take a look at the consensus later and proceed (or not) as indicated.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

 

Well, that response from the cohort has been quick, and unanimous!

The topic that had been,  Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?, is now this one.  If folks want to continue discussion regarding NVDA and Win10 or just let this topic die, that's fine.

For those of you who killed it off in its previous guise via "Mute this Topic," feel free to immediately do the same for its retitled self.  At least now the group archive, and an active topic, will no longer suggest that NVDA is on its way out when nothing could be further from the truth.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Introducing myself

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Cisco,

Welcome to this great list. Wow, that's neat you play 3 different musical instruments. I tried taking the violin years ago but I only got as far as Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. I can play a little bit of the piano and my dad taught me how to play the guitar when I was living at home. Need to get back into practice.

Take care. I hope you'll enjpoy our community.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of cisco
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 7:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introducing myself

hi all. thanks for welcoming me so well! i am glad to here that there are some people from my country!

On 3/2/2019 4:14 PM, Mallard wrote:
Hello Cisco,


Welcome to this great group!


I'm from Italy too, and it's so good to know there are such talented
young kids over here!


And you must be very talented indeed, if you can play all those
instrument at such a young age.


I hope you will like our community, and find lots of good advice.


Ciao, take care,

Ollie




Il 02/03/2019 12:26, cisco ha scritto:
Hello all. my name is Cisco and I am from Italy.

I started using NVDA when i was 8 years old, now I am 14..

i am a musitian, who plays the violin, the guitar and the piano.

well, from me, for now, that's all! have a grate day!


Cisco Tissera.






Re: Easier way to edit exception dictionary?

 

nvda 2019.1 final release date 

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:34 AM Jeff Samco <jsamco@...> wrote:
I have set up a sizeable exception dictionary. If I wish to locate
and edit an entry I find it very tedious to arrow through the list.
Is there an easier method for locating a specific entry? Or, is there
a way to alphabetize the list to facilitate moving quickly through the list?
Thanks,
Jeff





Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

 

Would anyone object to my retitling this topic?   As new people join and see the title it has a tendency to revive panic (or at least worry) where none is warranted.

If not, I'll do so, then send out an additional message with the revised topic title so that the conversation can continue, but without making anyone believe that NVDA even might be dying.

I'll ask that you all reply to me either with your "that's OK" or "don't do that" votes via the "Reply to Sender" link at the bottom of this message so that the topic itself doesn't end up being flooded with votes.   I'll take a look at the consensus later and proceed (or not) as indicated.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

molly the blind tech lover
 

Mine were so bad I had to download the latest stable release lol. My pc has never worked better than it does right now 😀

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zachary Morris
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 11:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

I never really had too many sound issues; I would get them occasionally, but it wouldn't be too bad.
On 3/2/2019 10:34, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
My pc had sound issues while running the insider builds. I had to restart NVDA, Jaws, Narrator, several times. Lol.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zachary
Morris
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 11:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hello,
That was my laptop as well. When it was on insider builds, NVDA would be super slow with UIAa and everywhere in general. NVDA also used to crash during updates, and going back to a stable version of windows helped it significantly.

On 3/2/2019 09:28, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hi ☺
What version of Windows are you running? I found the insider previews made my machine very unstable, which in turn caused NVDA not to work properly. Switching to the latest stable release fixed the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Yes, the issue is the Windows environment which causes havoc with the NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working just fine and the next it is sputtering, stuttering, and you have to restart it so frequently. The situation is so frustrating that I am considering switching to a Mac computer.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.

I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to
crop up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype
group I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie
left the project and it's going to die outright soon because it
can't keep up with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in
late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right
now, and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to
help? This project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to
fight for it in any way I possibly can.




















Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Zachary Morris <morriszachary99@...>
 

I never really had too many sound issues; I would get them occasionally, but it wouldn't be too bad.

On 3/2/2019 10:34, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
My pc had sound issues while running the insider builds. I had to restart NVDA, Jaws, Narrator, several times. Lol.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zachary Morris
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 11:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?
Hello,
That was my laptop as well. When it was on insider builds, NVDA would be super slow with UIAa and everywhere in general. NVDA also used to crash during updates, and going back to a stable version of windows helped it significantly.
On 3/2/2019 09:28, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hi ☺
What version of Windows are you running? I found the insider previews made my machine very unstable, which in turn caused NVDA not to work properly. Switching to the latest stable release fixed the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Yes, the issue is the Windows environment which causes havoc with the NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working just fine and the next it is sputtering, stuttering, and you have to restart it so frequently. The situation is so frustrating that I am considering switching to a Mac computer.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.

I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop
up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group
I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left
the project and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep
up with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in
late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right
now, and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to
help? This project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to
fight for it in any way I possibly can.















Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

molly the blind tech lover
 

My pc had sound issues while running the insider builds. I had to restart NVDA, Jaws, Narrator, several times. Lol.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zachary Morris
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 11:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hello,
That was my laptop as well. When it was on insider builds, NVDA would be super slow with UIAa and everywhere in general. NVDA also used to crash during updates, and going back to a stable version of windows helped it significantly.

On 3/2/2019 09:28, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hi ☺
What version of Windows are you running? I found the insider previews made my machine very unstable, which in turn caused NVDA not to work properly. Switching to the latest stable release fixed the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Yes, the issue is the Windows environment which causes havoc with the NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working just fine and the next it is sputtering, stuttering, and you have to restart it so frequently. The situation is so frustrating that I am considering switching to a Mac computer.
Blessings
Pascal
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Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.

I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.

Brian

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From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop
up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group
I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left
the project and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep
up with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in
late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right
now, and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to
help? This project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to
fight for it in any way I possibly can.















Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Zachary Morris <morriszachary99@...>
 

Hello,
That was my laptop as well. When it was on insider builds, NVDA would be super slow with UIAa and everywhere in general. NVDA also used to crash during updates, and going back to a stable version of windows helped it significantly.

On 3/2/2019 09:28, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hi ☺
What version of Windows are you running? I found the insider previews made my machine very unstable, which in turn caused NVDA not to work properly. Switching to the latest stable release fixed the problem.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?
Yes, the issue is the Windows environment which causes havoc with the NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working just fine and the next it is sputtering, stuttering, and you have to restart it so frequently. The situation is so frustrating that I am considering switching to a Mac computer.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?
I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.
I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop
up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group
I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the
project and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up
with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.





Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.
I have the same version, with 8 gigabytes of ram and an ssd. I am not experiencing these issues, but I guess every machine is different lol.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi Molly,
I am running version 1809 (OS build 17763.316.
I am experiencing a lot of silent moments, some sputtering and at times I have to restart NVDA. It is happenbing on both my laptops HP and Acer both have 8GB RAM and 1T hard drive.
Thanks.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi ☺
What version of Windows are you running? I found the insider previews made my machine very unstable, which in turn caused NVDA not to work properly. Switching to the latest stable release fixed the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Yes, the issue is the Windows environment which causes havoc with the NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working just fine and the next it is sputtering, stuttering, and you have to restart it so frequently. The situation is so frustrating that I am considering switching to a Mac computer.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.

I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.

Brian

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From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop
up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group
I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the
project and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up
with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.





Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

molly the blind tech lover
 

Lol you were lucky 😀

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cisco
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

hi again. so, regarding this topic: i have the latest stable version of windows, build 1809 win nvda 2018.4.1 running on a laptop with an octacore i 7 eighth gen, 12 gigs of ram and one tb of hard disk, with out ssd.

regarding insider previews, i had them installed on my previous pc and there was no problem.

On 3/2/2019 4:28 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hi ☺
What version of Windows are you running? I found the insider previews made my machine very unstable, which in turn caused NVDA not to work properly. Switching to the latest stable release fixed the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Yes, the issue is the Windows environment which causes havoc with the NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working just fine and the next it is sputtering, stuttering, and you have to restart it so frequently. The situation is so frustrating that I am considering switching to a Mac computer.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
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Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.

I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.

Brian

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From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop
up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group
I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left
the project and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep
up with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in
late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right
now, and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to
help? This project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to
fight for it in any way I possibly can.














Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Hi Molly,
I am running version 1809 (OS build 17763.316.
I am experiencing a lot of silent moments, some sputtering and at times I have to restart NVDA. It is happenbing on both my laptops HP and Acer both have 8GB RAM and 1T hard drive.
Thanks.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi ☺
What version of Windows are you running? I found the insider previews made my machine very unstable, which in turn caused NVDA not to work properly. Switching to the latest stable release fixed the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Yes, the issue is the Windows environment which causes havoc with the NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working just fine and the next it is sputtering, stuttering, and you have to restart it so frequently. The situation is so frustrating that I am considering switching to a Mac computer.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.

I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.

Brian

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From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop
up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group
I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the
project and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up
with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.





Re: Easier way to edit exception dictionary?

Gene
 

It seems to me the question should be submitted as a ticket for something that needs to be changed.  The list of words should respond like a standard list, allowing first letter navigation.  Also, in a standard list, you can type more than the first letter to immediately get to the word or get very close to it if there are a lot of words that start with that letter.  I have a reasonable number of words in my dictionaries, but since I almost never change them after finishing the initial entry, I didn't give this question any thought until it was raised yesterday.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Easier way to edit exception dictionary?

The easiest way I've found to edit or delete words in a dictionary with many entries is to go to AppDate/Roaming/NVDA/speechDicts and then open either the default.dic file or a dictionary in one of the voiceDicts folder in a text editor like Notepad where you can use the normal search methods to find the word, or part of a word, pattern or its replacement.

In the file the flag for whether it is case sensative is 1 for true and 0 for false. The second number is the flag for whether it is anywehre, whole word only or a regular expression ... anywehre is 0, regular expression is 1 and whole word is 2.

For example, a entry I added the other day was to get the word dynasty to be pronounced the UK way rather than the American way. This is the line of the default.dic file ... in case it doesn't show up here I'll indicate the tab character with [tab]
dynasty[tab]dinasty[tab]0[tab]0

If you make edits to a dictionary file then you have to re-start NVDA for the dictionary edits to take effect, but it is often far easier doing it that way than trying to find the word you want to edit in the NVDA dictionary manager.

Hope you find this useful :)

Giles


Re: Easier way to edit exception dictionary?

Giles Turnbull
 

The easiest way I've found to edit or delete words in a dictionary with many entries is to go to AppDate/Roaming/NVDA/speechDicts and then open either the default.dic file or a dictionary in one of the voiceDicts folder in a text editor like Notepad where you can use the normal search methods to find the word, or part of a word, pattern or its replacement.

In the file the flag for whether it is case sensative is 1 for true and 0 for false. The second number is the flag for whether it is anywehre, whole word only or a regular expression ... anywehre is 0, regular expression is 1 and whole word is 2.

For example, a entry I added the other day was to get the word dynasty to be pronounced the UK way rather than the American way. This is the line of the default.dic file ... in case it doesn't show up here I'll indicate the tab character with [tab]
dynasty[tab]dinasty[tab]0[tab]0

If you make edits to a dictionary file then you have to re-start NVDA for the dictionary edits to take effect, but it is often far easier doing it that way than trying to find the word you want to edit in the NVDA dictionary manager.

Hope you find this useful :)

Giles