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Re: Golden Cursor question

Steve Nutt
 

Yes, I believe NVDA is the only screen reader that doesn’t seem to allow this.  Tethering cursors is often a good idea.

 

I said I  believe, because I don’t know NVDA well enough to know the definitive answer.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 28 February 2019 16:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

I have it set up like that on mac. Where ever my pc curser is my mouse curser follows etc. Where ever my mouse curser is my pc curser follows. I love it and clicking is way easier when I have to. Hmm. If I could code I'd make an add on for that.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 8:11, Gene wrote:

I haven't checked.  I'm not sure whether it is a good idea.  others may have comments.  Sometimes just moving the mouse may cause things to occur that you may not want.  But I haven't experimented with this enough to know if it would cause inconveniences or problems often enough to worry about. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message

From: Kenny

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:06 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

So basically you use the Review cursor to navigate the screen. Then when you land on a spot which you want to click, you route the mouse pointer to that review cursor position [NVDA]+[Slash] and then hit [Slash] to left mouse click on it?

 

Is there an      option that will automatically tether the mouse pointer to the review cursor, so I only need press [Slash] to click on an element, without having to route to it first?

 

On 2/18/2019 12:00 PM, Gene wrote:

In the following response, I shall give desktop layout commands.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know those commands for what we are discussing.

 

There aren't specifically mouse movement keys such as in JAWS.  Read the review section of the manual or the relevant parts.  5.5 is a relevant section.  I'm not sure if there are any others.  You will see such commands as num[pad 9, move to next line, numpad 8, read current line, numpad 7 move to and read previous line.  These are review keys and don't affect the application, they review the screen.  I'm talking about what they do in screen review mode.  They have similar functions when in object navigation but they apply to the object that has focus.

 

To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  

 

If you can't find how to do something in NVDA, it is not good methodology or procedure to assume that it can't be done.  Asking here may provide information about how to do it or of an add-on that does.

 

Gene  

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Hendrik Steyn
 

I use ABBYY and it works well with NVDA. I use V14.0. Hope this helps.

Hendrik

On 01/03/2019 14:23, Gene wrote:
I believe they both have demos.  Omnipage had a bug for years, perhaps more than a decade.  I don't know if it has been corrected.  When decolumnizing two or more columns of print on a page or when decolumnizing two pages scanned as though it was one page, parts of sentences would be misplaced.  Fine Reader never had this bug.  I see no reason to assume that Omnipage is generally better.  It may be roughly equivalent in terms of quality but if that bug still remains, that is a serious detraction, especially since a lot of PDF documents have more than one column that is going to be decolumnized. 
 
But if both have demos and you try them, be sure you use some PDF documents you know have at least two columns that must be decolumnized.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Thank you adrian. I've heard of OmniPage, and remember it being the defacto for many before Finereader came along.

All suggestions are welcome.

Travis

On 2/28/2019 3:13 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi Kwork


One outstanding piece of software is OmniPage Ultimate.

It also has the ability to convert a document into mp3.

Depends if you want to spend a lot or not, if you are going to use it a lot then maybe or use an android phone using adobe and acrobat apps together which does work well but a bit of a learning curve.


Hope this helps a bit.

Best Adrian Pocock.

On 28/02/2019 21:52, Kwork wrote:
I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis




Re: backing up thunderbird

Gene
 

I would suggest getting a cheap perhaps ten or fifteen U.S. dollar sound card and seeing if you can use the old computer with it.  its good to have another computer available and I always have at least two functioning computers available.  I recall you lost sound but that may mean your built-in sound card is no longer working.  All it may need is a USB sound card to get audio back.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: backing up thunderbirdRe: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Hey list! Arlene here; I'm writing to you on this new win ten laptop.
My win 7 box bit the dust! I lost all sound. A sighted person can
operate it.  But I could not. I just got this computer on Tuesday.
One question I want to ask. Can I put Gmail onto Thunderbird? If so,
How can I do it? Thanks! Have a good night!

On 2/28/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
> Hi Annette,
>
>
> As far as I can tell, everything is saved. I just updated a day ago and
> when I opened the back up version of Thunderbird on my back up system,
> the address book, the folder structure (I have 17 sub folders under
> Inbox) the layout and even the order of message selection was saved.
>
>
> On 2/28/2019 4:07 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
>>
>> ron, does this save all of your configuration, as well as your
>> messages? I care more about the configuration than about actually
>> keeping any of my messages because it took about an hour for me to get
>> everything I wanted/needed configured to the way I needed it sinceI
>> have three email accounts. I have the instructions saved that Richard
>> Wels gave me, but shoot, if I could back all that up and not have to
>> go through that again with any clean install of thunderbird on a
>> future new computer, that would be great!
>>
>> Annette
>>
>> On 2/28/2019 1:13 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>>
>>> This probably varies from mail program to mail program, but when
>>> using Thunderbird, you can back up almost everything by doing the
>>> following.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.  Close Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> 2.  From the run dialogue, type %appdata% and press enter.
>>>
>>> 3.  You are in the roaming folder.  This folder contains all the
>>> application data, settings, address book and e-mails from Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> 4.  navigate to the folder named Thunderbird and when highlighted,
>>> press control + C to copy that folder.
>>>
>>> 5.  Then paste this folder onto a thumb drive, external hard drive or
>>> some similar device and you have everything backed up.
>>>
>>> 6.  Now if for some reason, you need a fresh install of Thunderbird
>>> or if you get a new computer and use Thunderbird, you can simply
>>> install Thunderbird and navigate to the Roaming folder as described
>>> in steps 1 through 3 above and paste the contents of the Thunderbird
>>> folder that you have copied into the Roaming folder.
>>>
>>>
>>> I do this every few days to keep the mail and settings of Thunderbird
>>> backed up.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/28/2019 1:14 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
>>>> 100% agreed. Very, very well said, indeed.
>>>>
>>>> Now I definitely would like to know how I can backup my messages. I
>>>> never did it before just because I never knew it was even possible.
>>>> Help me with this, please?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Marcio
>>>> Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
>>>>
>>>> Em 28/02/2019 15:09, Travis Siegel escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wishing something would go away because it doesn't fit your
>>>>> definition of what is useful is just plain silly.
>>>>>
>>>>> If that were the case, then I wish narrator would go away, I whish
>>>>> jaws wold go away, I wish windows would go away.  Hell, I wish
>>>>> microsoft would go away.
>>>>>
>>>>> \See, it serves no purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are people who use pop3, and it works just fine for them.
>>>>> There are definitely use cases where pop3 is a better fit than
>>>>> imap, and there are use cases where imap is clearly the better
>>>>> alternative.  Wishing one or the other would go away is just
>>>>> ignorance talking.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't wish to use it, then don't, but that doesn't mean that
>>>>> others who are fully aware of what they're getting, and do wish to
>>>>> use it shouldn't do so.  I for one much prefer pop3, for several
>>>>> reasons, including disk usage, security, issues, ease of backup,
>>>>> and others.
>>>>>
>>>>> When folks talk about folks loosing years worth of emails because
>>>>> they used pop3, my question is did those folks ever backup their
>>>>> mail? I'm thinking no.  Sure, it's not the easiest thing to move
>>>>> mail from one email client to another, but you're just as likely to
>>>>> loose all your imap messages if your email provider goes bye-bye as
>>>>> well, and nobody here can tell me that's never happened.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's six of one, and half dozen of the other, use what works for
>>>>> you, and allow others to use what works for them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/28/2019 12:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> With my old internet provider, I had a pop 3 account. After I got
>>>>>> to a certain amount of messages, my email started bouncing. I
>>>>>> don't think people are using pop so much anymore but I could be
>>>>>> wrong. I wish pop 3 would go away too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>>>>>> Of *Sarah k Alawami
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:27 AM
>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for
>>>>>> Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server
>>>>>> and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up
>>>>>> using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go
>>>>>> away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the
>>>>>> cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can
>>>>>> always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once
>>>>>> so am not going back to pop3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm
>>>>>>     sure you can delete messages if you wish. As I understand it,
>>>>>>     you can keep a large number on the server if you wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Gene
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *From:*marcio via Groups.Io
>>>>>>     <mailto:marcinhorj21@...>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:37 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *Subject:*Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed
>>>>>>     for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         unless you want a permanent collection of all your
>>>>>>         received messages off site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any
>>>>>>     message?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Marcio
>>>>>>     Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon>
>>>>>
>>>>> Virus-free. www.avast.com
>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>>>
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>>
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>
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Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

It opens files jpg, jpeg, png and pdf

It can read automatically the documents or you can read with NVDA.

Rui Fontes




Às 10:13 de 01/03/2019, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:

Can knfb reader import the file types needed if they are pictures and work with them. I see its now on pc if you get it for another platform.
One supposes it self voices, or does it work with nvda.
Brian
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Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Abbyy FineReader, OmniPage and KNFB Reader are some of the best options...

Rui Fontes


Às 21:52 de 28/02/2019, Kwork escreveu:
I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis





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Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Gene
 

I believe they both have demos.  Omnipage had a bug for years, perhaps more than a decade.  I don't know if it has been corrected.  When decolumnizing two or more columns of print on a page or when decolumnizing two pages scanned as though it was one page, parts of sentences would be misplaced.  Fine Reader never had this bug.  I see no reason to assume that Omnipage is generally better.  It may be roughly equivalent in terms of quality but if that bug still remains, that is a serious detraction, especially since a lot of PDF documents have more than one column that is going to be decolumnized. 
 
But if both have demos and you try them, be sure you use some PDF documents you know have at least two columns that must be decolumnized.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Thank you adrian. I've heard of OmniPage, and remember it being the defacto for many before Finereader came along.

All suggestions are welcome.

Travis

On 2/28/2019 3:13 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi Kwork


One outstanding piece of software is OmniPage Ultimate.

It also has the ability to convert a document into mp3.

Depends if you want to spend a lot or not, if you are going to use it a lot then maybe or use an android phone using adobe and acrobat apps together which does work well but a bit of a learning curve.


Hope this helps a bit.

Best Adrian Pocock.

On 28/02/2019 21:52, Kwork wrote:
I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis




Chat Solutions for NVDA users

Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...>
 

Hello again,

I wrote:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7754

I have tested with the newest Zoom version.

There is one bug still remaining, namely you cannot review your written text in Zooms chat field
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8804

The issues with Zoom messages not being announced and Mute/unmute not being announced apparently have been solved.

Tested with the newest Zoom version, Win 10 and Nvda-2018-4.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka
Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Mallard
 

Brian,


Are you saing that KNFB Reader is now free on pc if you import it from other platforms?


I bought it for Android (never was there a greater waste of money!), and I was told by Support that, if I wanted to install it on Windows, i had to buy a new license. Has that changed now?


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 01/03/2019 11:13, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Can knfb reader import the file types needed if they are pictures and work with them. I see its now on pc if you get it for another platform.
One supposes it self voices, or does it work with nvda.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files


Abbyy FineReader, OmniPage and KNFB Reader are some of the best options...

Rui Fontes


Às 21:52 de 28/02/2019, Kwork escreveu:
I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis
Re: Chat Solutions for NVDA users

Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...>
 

Hi Brian,

I found the following but haven't tested it:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7754


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Did zoom fix its accessibility issues for nvda?
Brian

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Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chat Solutions for NVDA users


Hello Sam and all,

the last time I tried, Google Meet looked quite good, it’s included in
GSuite.

You might want to look into Zoom’s business solutions too.

I have worked with the Zoom client using Mac, Iphone and Windows and they
really make an effort to make their app accessible. I just had a quick
look at Zoom Cloud Meetings and it looks really good with NVDA.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka
Re: Chat Solutions for NVDA users

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Did zoom fix its accessibility issues for nvda?
Brian

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Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chat Solutions for NVDA users


Hello Sam and all,

the last time I tried, Google Meet looked quite good, it’s included in GSuite.

You might want to look into Zoom’s business solutions too.

I have worked with the Zoom client using Mac, Iphone and Windows and they really make an effort to make their app accessible. I just had a quick look at Zoom Cloud Meetings and it looks really good with NVDA.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka
Re: In-Process for 1st March 2019

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Hi thanks, very interesting. Yes you need somebody with an overall view to organise stuff, so hope he can cope!
Programmers can be a difficult bunch to work with as they tend to have their own views on a lot of stuff.
Believe me I know...

I agree about responsiveness but also some of the responsiveness elsewhere needs a look. recent threads in the user list on lack of reading infoo with alt/tab or when folders are first opened etc, as also in web browsers sometimes has been an intermittent problem for some time, so if somebody could look at that it might be nice. I suspect the answer is in an old bit of code from way back which just does not see events or pass them on or it gets overwritten by something else.



Do people really come to computers as a blind person not knowing the basic keystrokes of Windows though? It has not been my experience generally, but often those who have become blinder, over the years who were mouse people can be in this category, and I think it does need saying in documents that this is an nvda command but this is a windows native command and that can make it a lot easier to troubleshoot problems folk are having.

No shant be going to the states, sorry!

My brain hurts thinking of it. I used to exhibit at small computer shows here in the UK back in the 90s, but I found the throngs of bodies and noise far too distracting, and usually lost my voice by the end of the day.
Anyway thanks again and as I do not want to be grabbed by the talons of our new moderator, I'll add the phrase that this is not a conversation, merely a reaction to your article.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 1st March 2019


Hi everyone,

I've got a bumper issue today!

In this week's In-Process: NV Access responds to user feedback, we're a
Google Summer of Code mentor organisation, preparations for #csunatc19,
news on NVDA 2019.1, our new GM and more! Plus, a novel to read, what a
huge issue of In-Process!

Read it here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-1st-march-2019/

Regards

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Re: Chat Solutions for NVDA users

Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...>
 

Hello Sam and all,

 

the last time I tried, Google Meet looked quite good, it’s included in GSuite.

 

You might want to look into Zoom’s business solutions too.

 

I have worked with the Zoom client using Mac, Iphone and Windows and they really make an effort to make their app accessible. I just had a quick look at Zoom Cloud Meetings and it looks really good with NVDA.

 

Thanks and kind regards,

 

Bianka

 
Re: The NVDA Chat Subgroup

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

That would merely fragment a thread.
You have to allow some variance. Any topic about access to software here has the subtxt implied that it has to be usable with nvda, otherwise you would not post it on here in the first place. I do not want even more lists, this list was being moderated to my liking before. Nobody forced anyone to read all the mail.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The NVDA Chat Subgroup


And, I would encourage those of us going off topic in the regular group
on a thread, pointing at myself at times, to send a message to the
effect that all future answers not related to NVDA will be made in the
chat group. That way those who don't want to read the off topic posts
don't have to, and those who do can switch groups and keep on chatting
and participating in the non-NVDA related discussions.

Travis

On 2/28/2019 5:26 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This information needs the occasional bump and repetition, so I'm
giving it one:

For those who really wish to chat about any topic not directly
NVDA-related with people they know from the NVDA Group via a list, you
can subscribe to the chat subgroup. Here are the addresses:

* Post: chat@nvda.groups.io <mailto:chat@nvda.groups.io>
* Subscribe: chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io>
* Unsubscribe: chat+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:chat+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io>
* Group Owner: chat+owner@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:chat+owner@nvda.groups.io>
* Help: chat+help@nvda.groups.io <mailto:chat+help@nvda.groups.io>

Since the Chat Group is really just beginning to ramp up, I'd even
encourage you to make "See Chat" posts to the main group as the signal
flare that you're asking about something there, or sharing information
there. For example, "See Chat: Looking for Advice on TalkBack from
those who use it," after you've created a topic there to let people
know that the topic exists and to take a look. It then allows the
conversation to be as freewheeling as the participants wish in the
Chat subgroup.
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Re: how to know when a thread is locked

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I disagree, but won't post why here.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to know when a thread is locked


Adrian,

Quite literally, you don't, unless you've read through the topic and the person (moderator or group owner) has stated they are locking the topic. If you are talking about the POP topic, I locked it and stated that I was locking it in the message I added to it just before doing so.

That's one of the disadvantages of e-mail lists when it comes to locked topics. There's no lock icon as there is on the web interface that shows that a topic is locked and no other way to communicate that information other than to state it in a message immediately prior to locking.

As a general note to the readership at large, when the Group Owner of any group suggests a topic be closed, that should never be taken as an invitation to open a new topic on the same subject. It's a clear indicator that the subject itself is not felt to be suitable to the venue in question. Since the NVDA group does have a chat subgroup, and it seems to have picked up some new "regulars" recently, I would encourage those with topics that may be technical, but not tied in to using NVDA in any meaningful way, to start those topics on the chat subgroup.

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Re: how to know when a thread is locked

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I just basically sent an email to our new moderator moaning about this as if your email is like mine I never saw his post till after 10 minuets I had seen the thread. I have issues with locking threads but I'll not clutter this group with my opinions post those to the mod if you feel strongly as I do.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "ADRIAN POCOCK" <ampbeast@live.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 11:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] how to know when a thread is locked


I posted to a thread and had a bounce saying it had been locked by mod.


How do we know when a subject had been locked so we do not waist time posting.

Adrian Pocock
Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

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Can knfb reader import the file types needed if they are pictures and work with them. I see its now on pc if you get it for another platform.
One supposes it self voices, or does it work with nvda.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files


Abbyy FineReader, OmniPage and KNFB Reader are some of the best options...

Rui Fontes


Às 21:52 de 28/02/2019, Kwork escreveu:
I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis
Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

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Heck you could buy an Iphone and use that on things as well.
I guess the future of bespoke solutions is not good.
However nvda can seem to work with most reasonably priced ocrs, its merely finding one that can handle the file format and does have enough intelligence to attempt to make the output readable!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Monte Single" <mrsingle@sasktel.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files


Yes, k 1000 is about 1000 u s dollars.

You could buy 2 computers for that money;.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: February-28-19 8:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files



I have abbyy fine reader, thats 300 australian, and I have the latest upgrades for that, I looked at omnipage though and thats 210 dollars nz just for that.

Is omnipage ultimate worth it, I don't use it much at 500 bucks, I wasn't really thinking of getting that, pluss my brother scanner has paperport with it to.

At any rate, I have spent a few weeks trying to get back my serial from abbyy for my scanner ocr product and I have spent about 600 on synths and and windows addition upgrades on this new laptop I got last year.

To be honest if I could afford it, I'd get the k1000 program, which has everything in it but its probably more than omnipage ultimate.





On 1/03/2019 11:13 AM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi Kwork



One outstanding piece of software is OmniPage Ultimate.

It also has the ability to convert a document into mp3.

Depends if you want to spend a lot or not, if you are going to use it a lot then maybe or use an android phone using adobe and acrobat apps together which does work well but a bit of a learning curve.



Hope this helps a bit.

Best Adrian Pocock.

On 28/02/2019 21:52, Kwork wrote:

I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis
Re: Brave browser

Chris Mullins
 

Hi James
The folders Program Files X86 and Program Files relate to whether an
application is 32 or 64 bit. You get these 2 folders on machines that use a
64-bit operating system. A 64-bit machine can still process 32-bit
applications, such as NVDA for example, which is why you see the NVDA
application under the X86 version of the Program Files folder. If you were
to have a look at a machine that uses a 32-bit operating system, , you would
see only a Program Files folder because it is only capable of running 32-bit
applications.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of James
AUSTIN
Sent: 28 February 2019 22:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

Hi

I could be wrong about this so please correct me somebody if so, but I think
that the suffix X 86 for program files points to user installed
applications. The original program files points to applications installed
by Windows. However in most installation wizards I have used you can choose
where to install files.

Best wishes
James
On 28 Feb 2019, at 21:53, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi, I installed the 64 bit butt yet it is in program files x86 and yes I
am sure I have the 64 bit version. at least when I went to the download
page it said 64 bit installer. any ideas anyone else had this?

On 28/02/2019 06:42, Mallard wrote:
Well, I haven't seen any ads at all in Brave, neither in Android nor in
Windows.
If there are, they are well hidden. And if they're hidden, I don't see
the purpose of having them at all
It's only fair that one should be wary.
Il 28/02/2019 04:45, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:

Well its the latest chromium alternertive.

FFull add blocking and extra security.

review here.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3292619/web-browsers/the-brave-browser
-basics-what-it-does-how-it-differs-from-rivals.html

I do caution users, in the article link I pasted above the eventual plan
for brave is to replace all adds from other's websites and tracks with its
own adds and trackers or at least thats what I read.

Some antimalware and security tools detect brave as malware though they
say its false.

Reviews seem generally good now, but I am not sure.

If this brouser is replacing adds with its own, there is no garantee
that eventually you trade a malware free environment with using another
echosystem, with its own adds, trackers, and malware thrown in.

This is a really new project, its not the first chromium sourced brouser
and it will not be the last.

One other thing to note, its not a main stay brouser like chrome,
firefox, ie and edge, so interface wize while it may be good, a supported
brouser that is supported is better than one which may have issues.

Now saying that with nvda that probably doesn't matter as such because
of the fact nvda itself is basically a scripted program built using modern
techniques and using commen os access commands and apis.

But Its probable that if you run something like dolphin stuff you won't
get access and its unlikely that it would be supported by jaws or anything
like that.

The thing I don't care for is trading all the malware I have to deal
with now with eventually another person's adds.

If I am ready to do this, I may as well uninstall my antimalware
software and turn off my firewall.

Users do have glowing reviews right now but its new.


Now if you want to try it you probably won't have any issues doing so
however who knows.

Ports come and go.

It may have some big names developing it but look at piriform.

CCleaner is a good program, it used to be really good till piriform went
with avast.

Now ccleaner is its own malware, and sadly it does do malwareish things,
trying to have quickclean run, and a entire load of other things I have to
modify my ini file every day or so.

Its interface or at least the main interface panel is total crap access
wize.

And it comes with avast which is total crap access wize to.

I used to use programs with dvdvideosoftware they used to have google
spyware in them and I don't care about google because I use that but later
it had conduit then opencandy, then a lot of other junk and I had to get rid
of it and reformat my system to get rid of all the extra junkware.

Sadly it seems to be the rage, any software that is bundled with any
software is pritty much malware because most of the time the user has not
requested that software so its malware.

THats another issue with brave, it does not block google adds or google
trackers, so we know who is funding brave now.

Now if brave got cash from doubleclick, yahoo adds and all the other add
makers to have their adds unblocked then we have a problem.

I know that with waterfox I have full control, and I have blocked google
and all sort of extras.



On 28/02/2019 11:12 AM, Gene wrote:
If people do a Google or other search engine search for something like
Brave browser review, they may find knowledgeable assessments of the
browser.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Dan Beaver <mailto:dbeaver888@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Brave browser

How do we know this is a safe browser?



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Re: Chat Solutions for NVDA users

Sylvie Duchateau
 



Hello,
I use Slack for windows, the app, that works quite well with NVDA now.
the developers implemented short cuts for screen reader users: for example typing f6 pops up the list of messages in a chat. You just have to review them with down and up arrows.
Forms mode is automatically enabled when you want to write a message.
You can set Slack to send notifications when a message is coming, when you are directly mentioned etc...
Out of topic: slack also works well with VoiceOver on an iPhone.
At last, if you encounter an accessibility problem, you can contact the support and they respond rather quickly. They are really willing to improve the accessibility of their product.
There is a list of shortcuts that you can see in typing ctrl+/
I hope this helps.
Best
Sylvie

Le 28/02/2019 à 23:04, Sarah k Alawami a écrit :

II actually use slack for mac, dunno how it works in widnows but we ave 2 ios users, a mac and windows user who all use slack. What issues are you having?

On 28 Feb 2019, at 13:24, Sam Bushman wrote:

Hi All,

 

I have a huge need to be on a slack / Microsoft teams solution in the corporate world. In fact I am the IT Manager for the company and project.

I know slack doesn’t talk well and Microsoft teams is quite a huge pain to configure and administer.

 

Does anyone have a great alternative for a slack like system that we can use well with speech and that also works well for the sighted? Needs to support all the common platforms as well.

 

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

 

Thanks,

Sam Bushman

 
Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hi..

My personal software of choice is DocuScan plus from www.serotek.com. It only costs $299 and supports scanning from cameras, scanners and various file types with output for MP3, BRF and various text formats.

cheers,

Mo.


On 01/03/2019 04:25, Monte Single wrote:

Yes, k 1000  is about 1000 u s dollars.

You could buy  2 computers for that money;.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: February-28-19 8:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

 

I have abbyy fine reader, thats 300 australian, and I have the latest upgrades for that, I looked at omnipage though and thats 210 dollars nz just for that.

Is omnipage ultimate worth it, I don't use it much at 500 bucks, I wasn't really thinking of getting that, pluss my brother scanner has paperport with it to.

At any rate, I have spent a few weeks trying to get back my serial from abbyy for my scanner ocr product and I have spent about 600 on synths and and windows addition upgrades on this new laptop I got last year.

To be honest if I could afford it, I'd get the k1000 program, which has everything in it but its probably more than omnipage ultimate.

 

 

On 1/03/2019 11:13 AM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi Kwork

 

One outstanding piece of software is OmniPage Ultimate.

It also has the ability to convert a document into mp3.

Depends if you want to spend a lot or not, if you are going to use it a lot then maybe or use an android phone using adobe and acrobat apps together which does work well but a bit of a learning curve.

 

Hope this helps a bit.

Best Adrian Pocock.

On 28/02/2019 21:52, Kwork wrote:

I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis



Re: backing up thunderbird

Shaun Everiss
 

In addition you need to make sure on accounts.google.com that in security settings you allow third party programs.

Google says this is dangerous but we all know they just want you to use chrome to use email and  their own software, once thats all okk you will probably start the usual signin and will be asked to autnorise thunderbird to be a trusted app then it will work.

A reminder if you use 2step authentication you will have to set a app password for thunderbird but you probably know that allready its not like they don't tell you a million times.

On 1/03/2019 6:26 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Arlene,


You can use GMail with pop or imap.  First you must go onto the GMail site, log in and under settings, change your delivery method from web to either pop3 or imap.


Then you create a GMail account in Thunderbird using the following settings for ports and security.

for smpt the port is 465

Connection Security: ssl/tls

Authentication password: normal password

User name is full e-mail address as in joe.smith@gmail.com

incoming port for pop or imat 995


On 2/28/2019 11:27 PM, Arlene wrote:
Hey list! Arlene here; I'm writing to you on this new win ten laptop.
My win 7 box bit the dust! I lost all sound. A sighted person can
operate it.  But I could not. I just got this computer on Tuesday.
One question I want to ask. Can I put Gmail onto Thunderbird? If so,
How can I do it? Thanks! Have a good night!

On 2/28/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Annette,


As far as I can tell, everything is saved. I just updated a day ago and
when I opened the back up version of Thunderbird on my back up system,
the address book, the folder structure (I have 17 sub folders under
Inbox) the layout and even the order of message selection was saved.


On 2/28/2019 4:07 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
ron, does this save all of your configuration, as well as your
messages? I care more about the configuration than about actually
keeping any of my messages because it took about an hour for me to get
everything I wanted/needed configured to the way I needed it sinceI
have three email accounts. I have the instructions saved that Richard
Wels gave me, but shoot, if I could back all that up and not have to
go through that again with any clean install of thunderbird on a
future new computer, that would be great!

Annette

On 2/28/2019 1:13 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


This probably varies from mail program to mail program, but when
using Thunderbird, you can back up almost everything by doing the
following.


1.  Close Thunderbird.

2.  From the run dialogue, type %appdata% and press enter.

3.  You are in the roaming folder.  This folder contains all the
application data, settings, address book and e-mails from Thunderbird.

4.  navigate to the folder named Thunderbird and when highlighted,
press control + C to copy that folder.

5.  Then paste this folder onto a thumb drive, external hard drive or
some similar device and you have everything backed up.

6.  Now if for some reason, you need a fresh install of Thunderbird
or if you get a new computer and use Thunderbird, you can simply
install Thunderbird and navigate to the Roaming folder as described
in steps 1 through 3 above and paste the contents of the Thunderbird
folder that you have copied into the Roaming folder.


I do this every few days to keep the mail and settings of Thunderbird
backed up.


On 2/28/2019 1:14 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
100% agreed. Very, very well said, indeed.

Now I definitely would like to know how I can backup my messages. I
never did it before just because I never knew it was even possible.
Help me with this, please?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 28/02/2019 15:09, Travis Siegel escreveu:
Wishing something would go away because it doesn't fit your
definition of what is useful is just plain silly.

If that were the case, then I wish narrator would go away, I whish
jaws wold go away, I wish windows would go away. Hell, I wish
microsoft would go away.

\See, it serves no purpose.

There are people who use pop3, and it works just fine for them.
There are definitely use cases where pop3 is a better fit than
imap, and there are use cases where imap is clearly the better
alternative.  Wishing one or the other would go away is just
ignorance talking.

If you don't wish to use it, then don't, but that doesn't mean that
others who are fully aware of what they're getting, and do wish to
use it shouldn't do so.  I for one much prefer pop3, for several
reasons, including disk usage, security, issues, ease of backup,
and others.

When folks talk about folks loosing years worth of emails because
they used pop3, my question is did those folks ever backup their
mail? I'm thinking no.  Sure, it's not the easiest thing to move
mail from one email client to another, but you're just as likely to
loose all your imap messages if your email provider goes bye-bye as
well, and nobody here can tell me that's never happened.

It's six of one, and half dozen of the other, use what works for
you, and allow others to use what works for them.


On 2/28/2019 12:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

With my old internet provider, I had a pop 3 account. After I got
to a certain amount of messages, my email started bouncing. I
don't think people are using pop so much anymore but I could be
wrong. I wish pop 3 would go away too.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Sarah k Alawami
*Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:27 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for
Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server
and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up
using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go
away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the
cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can
always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once
so am not going back to pop3.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:

     I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm
     sure you can delete messages if you wish. As I understand it,
     you can keep a large number on the server if you wish.

     Gene

     ----- Original Message -----

     *From:*marcio via Groups.Io
<mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>

     *Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:37 AM

     *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

     *Subject:*Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed
     for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

     Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:

         unless you want a permanent collection of all your
         received messages off site.

     Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any
     message?

     Cheers,

     Marcio
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