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Re: Making NVDA reconsider focus

Perry Simm
 

Hi Luke!
On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 3:35 AM, Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com> wrote:

Perry, can you provide some examples of circumstances where you are having to
alt-tab out and in of something to re-acquire focus?
Sure! The prime example is when I launch a program, such as a browser. A few seconds later, I know I'm in the address bar, and a sighted person can confirm this to me, but there's no speech indicating this. Focus is really in the address bar, and I can type into it. It's just that NVDA hasn't tracked it. Alt+tabbing out then back in resolves it for the moment.

As an aside, glad to see another Proton Mail user!
I'm loving it! As a visitor to many worlds, I prefer to be intractable and untrackable.
Cheers Perry


Running NVDA as a virtualise app using App-v

 

Hi,

Here’s one response from an NVDA code contributor.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda-devel@groups.io <nvda-devel@groups.io> On Behalf Of Leonard de Ruijter
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 9:09 PM
To: nvda-devel@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda-devel] FW: [nvda] Running NVDA as a virtualise app using App-v #winten1709

 

I've seen some attempts to package NVDA inside AppV, without much luck. May be we did it wrong, though.

As for audio ducking, I would say that it isn't at all important.

 

Regards,

Leonard

On 11-7-2019 04:46, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Any thoughts?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Genevieve Nolasco
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Running NVDA as a virtualise app using App-v #winten1709

 

Hi guys, we use NVDA 2017.2 on Windows 7 and it is running as a virtualised app using App-v just fine. 

We are moving to use Windows 10 and so are transferring our apps across to the new OS.

We've had a few hurdles with using the newest version of NVDA 2019.1.1 as a virtualised app in win 10 though, but we've gotten over them so far. There's one that we are facing now that we are at a loss as to how to fix or get around.

We start it up and it seems to work fine, but when we open the log viewer we see at the bottom:
WARNING - audioDucking._setDeuckingState(10:22:18:661)
Unable to set ducking state:ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED.

It may well be some settings on our side that we are missing ie permission on a folder or something like that as the error suggests, but we're just now sure what impact this error has.

Is anyone able to tell us what this means and what it affects and potentially which location it might be trying to access and not allowed?

Also, can I confirm that we can use NVDA as a virtualized app? Maybe we just got lucky with the older version, but in reality NVDA should not be run as a virtual app.

Thanks in advance.


Re: Running NVDA as a virtualise app using App-v

 

Hi,

It might not be a location per say, but take note of the following:

Audio ducking is supported on Windows 8 and later provided that Ease of Access is told that an assistive technology wishes to utilize it. In order to do so, an assistive technology app (such as NVDA) must be signed, installed, and call oleacc.dll:: AccSetRunningUtilityState function. If any of these are not met (particularly if it is run as a portable copy or the executable is not signed), access denied (errno 5) error is raised. In order to diagnose this further, I (and other NVDA developers) need a complete log.

A few things:

  • Is NVDA shown as installed on the system?
  • Is speech working?
  • Does this problem occur if using a newer Windows 10 release such as 1809 or 1903?

Cheers,

Joseph

P.S. I’m going to forward this question to NVDA development list so others can provide other things to try.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Genevieve Nolasco
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Running NVDA as a virtualise app using App-v #winten1709

 

Hi guys, we use NVDA 2017.2 on Windows 7 and it is running as a virtualised app using App-v just fine. 

We are moving to use Windows 10 and so are transferring our apps across to the new OS.

We've had a few hurdles with using the newest version of NVDA 2019.1.1 as a virtualised app in win 10 though, but we've gotten over them so far. There's one that we are facing now that we are at a loss as to how to fix or get around.

We start it up and it seems to work fine, but when we open the log viewer we see at the bottom:
WARNING - audioDucking._setDeuckingState(10:22:18:661)
Unable to set ducking state:ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED.

It may well be some settings on our side that we are missing ie permission on a folder or something like that as the error suggests, but we're just now sure what impact this error has.

Is anyone able to tell us what this means and what it affects and potentially which location it might be trying to access and not allowed?

Also, can I confirm that we can use NVDA as a virtualized app? Maybe we just got lucky with the older version, but in reality NVDA should not be run as a virtual app.

Thanks in advance.


Running NVDA as a virtualise app using App-v

Genevieve Nolasco
 

Hi guys, we use NVDA 2017.2 on Windows 7 and it is running as a virtualised app using App-v just fine. 

We are moving to use Windows 10 and so are transferring our apps across to the new OS.

We've had a few hurdles with using the newest version of NVDA 2019.1.1 as a virtualised app in win 10 though, but we've gotten over them so far. There's one that we are facing now that we are at a loss as to how to fix or get around.

We start it up and it seems to work fine, but when we open the log viewer we see at the bottom:
WARNING - audioDucking._setDeuckingState(10:22:18:661)
Unable to set ducking state:ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED.

It may well be some settings on our side that we are missing ie permission on a folder or something like that as the error suggests, but we're just now sure what impact this error has.

Is anyone able to tell us what this means and what it affects and potentially which location it might be trying to access and not allowed?

Also, can I confirm that we can use NVDA as a virtualized app? Maybe we just got lucky with the older version, but in reality NVDA should not be run as a virtual app.

Thanks in advance.


Re: new keyboard issue

 

Tyler,
It's something you just have to deal with. That keyboard can't handle that particular combination of keys pressed at the same time.
As apparently I also have this problem, I'd like to know, isn't there  any workaround for cases like ours?
Plus, why that happens? I mean, apparently we don't have a clue about which combo the keyboard will or not be capable of handling until we put it to work. Isn't it bad practice from the manufacturer's side?

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: new keyboard issue

Tyler Spivey
 

It's something you just have to deal with. That keyboard can't handle that particular combination of keys pressed at the same time.

The simplest solution is to just use the right shift. Otherwise, remap the key to something else.

On 7/10/2019 4:39 PM, Darren Harris via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all,
Ok so a friend of mine bought me a new keyboard and mouse for my birthday. It’s a wireless one. It’s Logitech but I can’t remember the exact make of it.
I’m having a weird issue that I can’t seem to get round. When I try using nvda, left shift ctrl and down arrow to lower something in the synth circle it won’t let me do it. However if I do the nvda right shift left ctrl and down it will let me use that command.
I have narrowed this down by using the input help nvda f1. The command using the left shift doesn’t work but with the right shift it does. I have also checked the keyboard setting in input jestures and both the laptop and desktop commands work.
It’s 1 of these keyboards whereby you can customise certain keys. I’m not sure how it’s done though.


new keyboard issue

Darren Harris
 

Hi all,

 

Ok so a friend of mine bought me a new keyboard and mouse for my birthday. It’s a wireless one. It’s Logitech but I can’t remember the exact make of it.

 

I’m having a weird issue that I can’t seem to get round. When I try using nvda, left shift ctrl and down arrow to lower something in the synth circle it won’t let me do it. However if I do the nvda right shift left ctrl and down it will let me use that command.

I have narrowed this down by using the input help nvda f1. The command using the left shift doesn’t work but with the right shift it does. I have also checked the keyboard setting in input jestures and both the laptop and desktop commands work.

It’s 1 of these keyboards whereby you can customise certain keys. I’m not sure how it’s done though.


Re: Has anyone used sprintip.com with NVDA?

 

John,
I could gladly test the website if it wasn't for the restriction. It looks like this won't accept people outside of the USA.

I'm just saying this so that people outside don't bother trying to access the website, and hopefully you'll get more interesting answers. Sorry for not being able to help :(

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Using LinkedIn with NVDA

John J. Boyer
 

Hello,

I think I have seen some discussions of LinkedIn on this list. My problem is that I can't see some of the butons. There is a themes button at the top, but I
can't find it. how should I proceed?

Thanks,
John

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Has anyone used sprintip.com with NVDA?

John J. Boyer
 

Hello,

The website www.sprintip.com enables people with hearing impairment to make phone calls over the Internet. You give a phone number. Then you type a message. An
operator calls the numberr and speaks the message. If there is a reply she types it, so you can read it. The problem is that I can't see the response. It is
supposed to be in a box, but I can't find that. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

John

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Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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that are available at no cost


Re: Problem about NVDA control and arrow keys

 

Surendra,
when I press nvd a key + control + right and left arrow I can't able to configure rate volume options
Actually, the command is Control+Shift+NVDA+Right/Left arrows to move through the options and Control+Shit+NVDA+Up/Down arrows to configure the option you've selected.

Hope this helps :)

On a related note, I just discovered something curious.
Here, Control+Shift+NVDA+Left arrow works like a charm. However, the same isn't true for the command using the right arrow. In fact, the problem seems to be with the combo Control+Insert+Right arrow.
Can anyone tell me why that is happening? Would my keyboard not be capable of processing this combo at once?

Thanks a lot.

Cheers,
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other server for nvda remote

Mahmood HoZhabri <mahmood.hojabri@...>
 

Hello, in iran, can not access to nvdaremote.com. do you have other server for nvda remote like nvdaremote.com? thanks.

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Problem about NVDA control and arrow keys

Surendra JUJJAVARAPU
 
Edited

Hi friends this is Surendra I have a small problem with NVDA version 19.1.1 when I press NVDA key + control + right and left arrow I can't able to configure rate volume options but the NVDA is is saying vote by old Eid can anyone tell me what is the problem and suggest MI to rectify the problem


Allowing NVDA to Speak When Arrow Keys Are Held Down in the Browser

 

Hello,

I am developing games on the Web and am wondering if there is a way to keep NVDA from shutting up while the arrow keys are being pressed? While the player is moving into a new room, I want NVDA to say "Entering the Armor Shop" while the up arrow is being held down. I wouldn't mind if ctrl shuts NVDA up, but in this circumstance, I don't want the arrow keys to interrupt NVDA.

It looks like aria-live="assertive" should do this, but it doesn't.

 

Under my NVDA settings / keyboard, I see "Speech Interrupt for typed characters" and "Speech Interrupt for Enter Key", but not "Speech interrupt for arrow keys".

Is the best solution to either have users use wasd for moving with the "Speech interrupt for typed characters", have Web Speech API say something, or have users use the mouse for movement?

I would prefer there to be a way where I can send an alert that can be interrupted only with the ctrl key, as it will allow users to use their own screen reader and synth without modification and choose their own mode of navigation without worrying about missing messages.

 

If there is no option now to do this, could there be a checkbox added to settings / keyboard that says "interrupt aria-assertive on keypress"? The default would be checked and if it is not checked, then NVDA will not interrupt an assertive message for anything but ctrl or maybe window focus.

What do others think?

Thanks,



Re: Making NVDA reconsider focus

Luke Davis
 

Perry, can you provide some examples of circumstances where you are having to alt-tab out and in of something to re-acquire focus?

As an aside, glad to see another Proton Mail user!

Luke

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, Perry Simm via Groups.Io wrote:

Yes, thank you, that's a very useful hotkey!
My problem is a bit different, but still, thanks a lot!


Re: Tabs on web Pages

Tony Malykh
 

Not quite answering your question, but related to the question of tabs navigation:

My add-on BrowserNav adds browse mode shortcuts Y and Shift+Y to jump to next/previous tab on web pages.

Then of course you can press Enter to select that tab.

You can download it on the official NVDA add-ons website:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/browsernav.en.html


Best

Tony



On 7/8/2019 4:04 PM, Andy wrote:
I am noticing that more and more web pages are using tabs to organize their content.  For example, a restaurant web site may use separate tabs on a web page displaying their menu for breakfast, lunch items, etc.  When I hit ENTER or the spacebar on these tabs I hear nothing unless I leave the tab.  I can't read items within the tab, or move among items within the tab.  What keystrokes to I need to use to work with these tabsf?
 
Andy
 


Re: Tabs on web Pages

Sarah k Alawami
 

I can't answer that for you. but I personally love and use them, and have for years.

Take care. and hope that page illustrates the right way to use tabs.

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On 9 Jul 2019, at 13:18, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hmmm is libsyn a good choice, I have started my podcast on anchor but found out that when I put it on podbean you only got 5 hours audio, is libsyn a good second feed choice or am I wasting my time.



On 10/07/2019 7:43 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Another example is libsyn.com and once you log in you will see the tabs. He are indeed accessible to get to and use.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce onlt to.y in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Jul 2019, at 11:43, Cohn, Jonathan wrote:

Hello,

 

A set of tabs should have an associated tab panels where there is one tab for each tab panel. When a tab is activated the associated tab panel should become visible to both the sighted and blind user. The group of tabs in is usually  called a tablist.

 

 

 

Please try the following from an accessibility consulting firm. It has a simple tab list with tabpanels that follows the ARIA authoring practices. If you can manipulate this set of tab but not ones one site, then I would suggest that the site you are visiting is probably forgetting about some of the functionality that is described in linked documents.

http://pauljadam.com/demos/aria-tabpanel.html

 

Generally, a tab panel should be changed to different information based on the tab that is currently selected. The “aria-selected” attribute on the web page should be modified to show which tab is currently selected. Either clicking on a tab with mouse, space while in focus, or using arrow keys in “focus mode” should change the active panel. The authoring practices recommends that the list of tabs use only one tab stop, and that pressing tab from within any of the tabs in the tablist should move you to the visible tab panel, or the first interactive component in the tab panel. Often this practice is ignored and each tab can be reached with the tab key.

 

Also, though recommended that the tab panels all be after the all of the tabs, this does not always occur.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2019 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Tabs on web Pages
Importance: Low

 

I am noticing that more and more web pages are using tabs to organize their content.  For example, a restaurant web site may use separate tabs on a web page displaying their menu for breakfast, lunch items, etc.  When I hit ENTER or the spacebar on these tabs I hear nothing unless I leave the tab.  I can't read items within the tab, or move among items within the tab.  What keystrokes to I need to use to work with these tabsf?

 

Andy

 


Re: Tabs on web Pages

 

Hmmm is libsyn a good choice, I have started my podcast on anchor but found out that when I put it on podbean you only got 5 hours audio, is libsyn a good second feed choice or am I wasting my time.



On 10/07/2019 7:43 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Another example is libsyn.com and once you log in you will see the tabs. He are indeed accessible to get to and use.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce onlt to.y in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Jul 2019, at 11:43, Cohn, Jonathan wrote:

Hello,

 

A set of tabs should have an associated tab panels where there is one tab for each tab panel. When a tab is activated the associated tab panel should become visible to both the sighted and blind user. The group of tabs in is usually  called a tablist.

 

 

 

Please try the following from an accessibility consulting firm. It has a simple tab list with tabpanels that follows the ARIA authoring practices. If you can manipulate this set of tab but not ones one site, then I would suggest that the site you are visiting is probably forgetting about some of the functionality that is described in linked documents.

http://pauljadam.com/demos/aria-tabpanel.html

 

Generally, a tab panel should be changed to different information based on the tab that is currently selected. The “aria-selected” attribute on the web page should be modified to show which tab is currently selected. Either clicking on a tab with mouse, space while in focus, or using arrow keys in “focus mode” should change the active panel. The authoring practices recommends that the list of tabs use only one tab stop, and that pressing tab from within any of the tabs in the tablist should move you to the visible tab panel, or the first interactive component in the tab panel. Often this practice is ignored and each tab can be reached with the tab key.

 

Also, though recommended that the tab panels all be after the all of the tabs, this does not always occur.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2019 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Tabs on web Pages
Importance: Low

 

I am noticing that more and more web pages are using tabs to organize their content.  For example, a restaurant web site may use separate tabs on a web page displaying their menu for breakfast, lunch items, etc.  When I hit ENTER or the spacebar on these tabs I hear nothing unless I leave the tab.  I can't read items within the tab, or move among items within the tab.  What keystrokes to I need to use to work with these tabsf?

 

Andy

 


Re: Making NVDA reconsider focus

Sarah k Alawami
 

Depends on the program. The programs I use, the menu bar is not accessible but with OCR. So in my case it does not work.

Take care

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For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
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On 9 Jul 2019, at 10:58, Mike Sedmak wrote:

I find that simply hitting ALT twice often has the same effect s the
double alt-tab without having to switch windows. YMMB

Mike

On 7/9/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I would actually want this to work everywhere. As I use a lot of windows
that refresh constantly. And if nvda loses focus in one of those
windows, that's kind of not good.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as
well.
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Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place
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On 9 Jul 2019, at 1:16, Perry Simm via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Cuong!
Yes, thank you, that's a very useful hotkey!
My problem is a bit different, but still, thanks a lot!
Cheers Perry


Re: Tabs on web Pages

Sarah k Alawami
 

Another example is libsyn.com and once you log in you will see the tabs. He are indeed accessible to get to and use.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce onlt to.y in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Jul 2019, at 11:43, Cohn, Jonathan wrote:

Hello,

 

A set of tabs should have an associated tab panels where there is one tab for each tab panel. When a tab is activated the associated tab panel should become visible to both the sighted and blind user. The group of tabs in is usually  called a tablist.

 

 

 

Please try the following from an accessibility consulting firm. It has a simple tab list with tabpanels that follows the ARIA authoring practices. If you can manipulate this set of tab but not ones one site, then I would suggest that the site you are visiting is probably forgetting about some of the functionality that is described in linked documents.

http://pauljadam.com/demos/aria-tabpanel.html

 

Generally, a tab panel should be changed to different information based on the tab that is currently selected. The “aria-selected” attribute on the web page should be modified to show which tab is currently selected. Either clicking on a tab with mouse, space while in focus, or using arrow keys in “focus mode” should change the active panel. The authoring practices recommends that the list of tabs use only one tab stop, and that pressing tab from within any of the tabs in the tablist should move you to the visible tab panel, or the first interactive component in the tab panel. Often this practice is ignored and each tab can be reached with the tab key.

 

Also, though recommended that the tab panels all be after the all of the tabs, this does not always occur.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2019 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Tabs on web Pages
Importance: Low

 

I am noticing that more and more web pages are using tabs to organize their content.  For example, a restaurant web site may use separate tabs on a web page displaying their menu for breakfast, lunch items, etc.  When I hit ENTER or the spacebar on these tabs I hear nothing unless I leave the tab.  I can't read items within the tab, or move among items within the tab.  What keystrokes to I need to use to work with these tabsf?

 

Andy