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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Sarah k Alawami
 

I also use the find command on the browser at least under windows and I do hit escape. I don't mind the silene as I am yelled at if nothingn on that page is found in regard to the string I typed.

Take care

On 26 Feb 2019, at 10:31, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 01:26 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I just verified with multiple sighted folks, and each and every one of them uses control-f when they want to find text.
So do I.   What earthly relevance does this have?!!

I can see the highlight move from instance to instance of the string being searched for.   I can know, by sight, exactly where I am on the page.  None of this is relevant to someone using a screen reader.

Dead silence during a search is a horrible, horrible idea as far as I'm concerned.  You clearly differ, and that's fine.  It won't change my position.  I'm not going to encourage a screen reader user to use a technique I know will be problematic from the outset because they can't see.

As I've said a million times:  Tool to task  (which means appropriate tool for the person using it in the circumstance they're using it.  I could use a teaspoon to dig a ditch, but why on earth would I?!)
 
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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Tyler Wood
 

Using control f with NVDA is by far one of the worst things anyone without sight can possibly do.

I truly do not understand how this benefits you, or anyone else, as a screen reader user.

I might as well not even bother with it. Sometimes my cursor focus doesn't stay on the relevant item, let alone the actual word I'm looking for. Pressing enter gives you 0 indication you've actually reached an item. Pressing escape (about 2 times out of 10) will focus the NVDA cursor on said item. At best, you might get to see the sentence where the word is if it's a long string of text.  Then, pressing control f once again to find next or previous item is just a futile exercise in patience.


To each their own. Pressing NVDA plus control plus f is a far cleaner, quicker, more efficient, and smarter way to do things.

On 2019-02-26 12:31 p.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 01:26 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I just verified with multiple sighted folks, and each and every one of them uses control-f when they want to find text.
So do I.   What earthly relevance does this have?!!

I can see the highlight move from instance to instance of the string being searched for.   I can know, by sight, exactly where I am on the page.  None of this is relevant to someone using a screen reader.

Dead silence during a search is a horrible, horrible idea as far as I'm concerned.  You clearly differ, and that's fine.  It won't change my position.  I'm not going to encourage a screen reader user to use a technique I know will be problematic from the outset because they can't see.

As I've said a million times:  Tool to task  (which means appropriate tool for the person using it in the circumstance they're using it.  I could use a teaspoon to dig a ditch, but why on earth would I?!)
 
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Re: sleep in win 7

Mohamed
 

Yes. Configuring this is also accessible from the new Settings app, but you can still change the setting through the classic control panel as well.

On 2/26/2019 12:14 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Is win 10 similar?

Thanks,

Monte

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: February-26-19 11:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] sleep in win 7

 

Control Panel, Power Options, then Change Plan Settings link for whichever plan you happen to have active at the moment.  This will bring up the options for turning off the display and sleep.   You also have the option, once you're in Control Panel, Power Options, to do as Mohamed has mentioned and activate the Change when the computer sleeps link if the only thing you wish to tweak is the sleep settings - which will default to those being used by the currently active power plan.
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Re: Off topic does anyone know of any app for android that makes google maps accessible

Sarah k Alawami
 

It is accessible, but to actually read the map through vibration or text is not doable. Perhaps contact the disability support desk, and they can help you further.


Take care

On 26 Feb 2019, at 9:56, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

hi.
the last i remember google maps was accessible with talkback. i'll check on my phone and get back to you 😍


On Tue, Feb 26, 2019, 12:25 PM ADRIAN POCOCK <ampbeast@...> wrote:

As the subject line says this is off topic but is there any kind souls out there that would know off any android apps capable of accessing google maps to allow talk back to speak them.

 


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Re: sleep in win 7

 

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 12:15 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Is win 10 similar?
Not just similar, but the same.  Even if you use Settings as your entry point and drill down, at this juncture you're eventually thrown into the Control Panel Power Options dialog.  It's just faster to go there directly.

It may eventually disappear, but I think that will be a long time coming.
 
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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

 

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 01:26 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I just verified with multiple sighted folks, and each and every one of them uses control-f when they want to find text.
So do I.   What earthly relevance does this have?!!

I can see the highlight move from instance to instance of the string being searched for.   I can know, by sight, exactly where I am on the page.  None of this is relevant to someone using a screen reader.

Dead silence during a search is a horrible, horrible idea as far as I'm concerned.  You clearly differ, and that's fine.  It won't change my position.  I'm not going to encourage a screen reader user to use a technique I know will be problematic from the outset because they can't see.

As I've said a million times:  Tool to task  (which means appropriate tool for the person using it in the circumstance they're using it.  I could use a teaspoon to dig a ditch, but why on earth would I?!)
 
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I just verified with multiple sighted folks, and each and every one of them uses control-f when they want to find text.  Most of them don't even bother with the mouse, because control-f is the find command, so they hit the key combo instead of navigating through the menus to get to the find command.  So, feel free to use your screen reader only find command if that's what you want to do, but don't tell people that's the only to do things because you're a screen reader user, the standard windows key of control-f works and it works for everyone, screen reader user or not.

On 2/26/2019 6:46 AM, Gene wrote:
Out of curiosity, I just did another test.  I went into forms mode and used control f to search.  I pressed escape after using control f and went back into browse mode.  If you do that, you are on what you searched for.  But that is not how searching in NVDA is intended to be used.  You are intended to stay in browse mode and search using the commands I gave in my last message. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

I wasn't going to respond to your last message because I hoped that someone who speaks with the authority of a developer would respond.  They still may.  I wouldn't have continued to answer when it became clear that you wouldn't believe what I said if we were not on the list.  But this is an NVDA list with users who range from beginner to advanced.  I shall therefore quote from the manual.  Maybe you will think the manual writers know what they are talking about if you insist that I don't.
 
I tried using control f during the debate to make absolutely sure it doesn't work in browse mode.  It doesn't.  I wasn't moved to the result I was looking for. 
 
From the manual:
Find
NVDA+control+f
Pops up a dialog in which you can type some text to find in the current document
Find next
NVDA+f3
Finds the next occurrence of the text in the document that you previously searched for
Find previous
NVDA+shift+f3
Finds the previous occurrence of the text in the document you previously searched for
 
If control f could be used, don't you think it would have been stated in the manual and would be the command given?  Why give a command different from the general one used in Windows and Windows programs and a command that requires that an extra key be pressed when simply control f can be used. 
 
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Re: sleep in win 7

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

It’s in the Power management settings.  You can set times after which various power saving events will happen for both mains and battery operation (if applicable).

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 26 February 2019 16:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] sleep in win 7

 

Yes, I can go to sleep manually from the desktop in win 7, using nvda of course.

I think there may be something in the control panel where I can set sleep to happen after a period of inactivity.

Where or what is this?

Thanks,

Monte


Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

 

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 01:13 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I open a web page, hit control-F, type in what I'm looking for, press enter, then press escape,
You do realize, Travis, that you omitted that last part about pressing Escape until this very post.  And that's the pivotal trick to getting the method you use to work.

It is also, to me, a very kludgey way to get the same result that every screen reader gives you using its built-in search, and with no more key presses.  Having to press the modifier key as part of the search, rather than Escape after the search, is a heck of a lot more natural to me when working with a screen reader.

But, it's clear now that there is a technique that can be made to work if one chooses to use a straight browser search:  hitting Escape.    I still find the dead silence while I'm looking for something, particularly when that something repeats, particularly unhelpful.  I have been known, on rare occasions, to tell someone something like, "find the fifth occurrence of supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" on the page.  I find that most of them find it much easier when they can hear occurrences one through four as they search through.

To each his or her own.
 
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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Why would you go into forms mode?

I don't change modes at all.  I open a web page, hit control-F, type in what I'm looking for, press enter, then press escape, and poof, my cursor is sitting on the text I just searched for.  F3 repeats the search, and shift-F3 repeats the search (only backwards), and this works in just abut every windows program there is, except obiously those where it wouldn't make sense for it to do so.

I don't understand your insistance that I'm the only one having this result, if it works for me, it should work for anyone.  In fact, I know it works for everyone, included sighted folks, because that's exactly the same way they search for things, only they use the mouse to click on find instead of using the control-F key.

On 2/26/2019 6:46 AM, Gene wrote:
Out of curiosity, I just did another test.  I went into forms mode and used control f to search.  I pressed escape after using control f and went back into browse mode.  If you do that, you are on what you searched for.  But that is not how searching in NVDA is intended to be used.  You are intended to stay in browse mode and search using the commands I gave in my last message. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

I wasn't going to respond to your last message because I hoped that someone who speaks with the authority of a developer would respond.  They still may.  I wouldn't have continued to answer when it became clear that you wouldn't believe what I said if we were not on the list.  But this is an NVDA list with users who range from beginner to advanced.  I shall therefore quote from the manual.  Maybe you will think the manual writers know what they are talking about if you insist that I don't.
 
I tried using control f during the debate to make absolutely sure it doesn't work in browse mode.  It doesn't.  I wasn't moved to the result I was looking for. 
 
From the manual:
Find
NVDA+control+f
Pops up a dialog in which you can type some text to find in the current document
Find next
NVDA+f3
Finds the next occurrence of the text in the document that you previously searched for
Find previous
NVDA+shift+f3
Finds the previous occurrence of the text in the document you previously searched for
 
If control f could be used, don't you think it would have been stated in the manual and would be the command given?  Why give a command different from the general one used in Windows and Windows programs and a command that requires that an extra key be pressed when simply control f can be used. 
 
Gene

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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I'm not sure what you'd exect to happen, when you do a find, it's supposed to take you to the location of the found text.  That's exactly what the control-F does, and that's exactly what I'd expect it to do.  Why would I expect it to begin reading from that point, I didn't ask it to read, I asked it to find, and it does that.  If you want to read from where it puts you, use the read commands, and guess what? It starts reading, just like you'd expect.

Maybe it's my unix herritage, but when I put in a command, I expect it to do just what it's supposed to do , and nothing else.  If I tell it to find something, it's because I want to find something, not because I want to read from that found spot to the end of the document, or from the start to where the text was found, the purpose of the find command is to find text, and it does that task very well, and that' all it does, because that's all it's supposed to do.  I don't understand why you would want the command to do something else in addition to finding the text in question.  What's the point?? Especially if I'm looking for that text, because I know it's a link I want to click on, I sure don't want the screen reader to pick up and start reading down to the end of the document, I want it to find the text, and put me on it, and let me decide what to do next, whether that's click on the link, read the next line, or read to end of document, that's up to me, not the find command. It'd be kind of silly to expect anything else.


On 2/25/2019 11:07 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 10:51 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Control-F (which is the standard windows find function), works in browse mode.
I truly am not certain what you mean by "works."   If by that you mean finds the search string, sure.  If you also means gives any meaningful feedback when it does so or starts reading from the instance its sitting on if you start reading, then no.

I get silence, dead silence, using Chrome find in Chrome in browse mode and I've tried it on the Commands Quick Reference page and https://nirsoft.net/ since it's very text intensive.  Also just tried it on https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/33470/Improve-website-response-times-easily-with-DNS-Settings.html with the same result.

I get nothing but dead silence as the search string is found, and found, and found and cannot make NVDA read from where the browser find has landed.

By contrast, if I use the NVDA find every time I land on the search string it's announced (along with a bit of text around it) and, if I commence reading, it goes from there and takes off.

Please tell me what I'm doing wrong.  I certainly wouldn't tell any of my students that there is an equivalence in behavior between browser find and NVDA find on every webpage on which I've done a comparison.
 
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Re: Off topic does anyone know of any app for android that makes google maps accessible

molly the blind tech lover
 

hi.
the last i remember google maps was accessible with talkback. i'll check on my phone and get back to you 😍


On Tue, Feb 26, 2019, 12:25 PM ADRIAN POCOCK <ampbeast@...> wrote:

As the subject line says this is off topic but is there any kind souls out there that would know off any android apps capable of accessing google maps to allow talk back to speak them.

 


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Re: Thunderbird and trash

Gene
 

I'm pretty sure there is a portable version of Thunderbird.  That would be the easiest thing to test with.  You could put an earlier portable version on your machine and not remove or disturb the version you are using now.  Immediately after you place the portable version on your machine, disconnect from the Internet and set the portable version not to update.  If you need to know how, ask before putting the program on your machine.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird and trash

This is the first installation, never had previous versions.

I will try to find a previous version, I will have to disable the automatic update of TB, otherwise I find myself still with this version.

I'll let you know.


Regards

adriano


Il 26/02/2019 18:18, Gene ha scritto:
Have you tried shift delete?� Also, as I said, you can go back to an earlier version.� If the problem started immediately after you upgraded, then there may be a problem with that version.
�
Gene
----- Original Message -----�
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird and trash

Hi Gene,


I tried to delete the trash folder of an account and the related Trash.msf file, the path file appears from the account basket properties, in my case:

C:/Users/Adriano/AppData/Roaming/Thunderbird/Profiles/uaip436j.default/Mail/pop.mail.yahoo.it/

I restarted TB, and ... even worse, it did not erase anything anymore, it allowed me to correct the folder from the properties.

In the end I restored the 2 files from the Windows trash.

I do not know what to say, it seems that this happens also to other people, but not everyone.

Thanks to everyone anyway for the help.

I am always listening for other possible solutions.

Regards

Adriano



il 26/02/2019 00:08, Gene ha scritto:
As I think about it further, uninstalling the program and reinstalling it may not accomplish anything. �Brian distinguished between POP3 accounts and IMAP accounts.� I don't use IMAP so I won't address that.� My guess is that if you uninstall the program, it leaves your folders on the computer if you are using POP3.� If there is a problem with the folder, uninstalling and reinstalling the program may accomplish nothing.� removing the folder and allowing the program to automatically create a new one when you run it may solve the problem.� I have no idea if going back to a previous version of the program would help.� I don't use Thunderbird and I don't know how you would delete the folder but if you don't want to use shift delete and are using POP3, deleting the folder may be the best thing to try as a first attempt to solve the problem.
�
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird and trash

Did the problem start immediately after the upgrade?� You may want to try to uninstall and reinstall the program or go back to the previous version and set it not to update.� Or you may want to try shift delete, which should also solve the problem.
�
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird and trash

Are use three male clients
Apple on the two systems Mac and iPhone
And use thunderbird and that is the only one that ever asks to compact messages
Regards Ian
On 26 Feb 2019, at 6:45 am, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...> wrote:

When I emthy the trash folder, I hit control a, then I hit the shift eeleate key. I never have any compacting issues.

> On 2/25/2019 2:32 PM, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi Gene,
> Shift + d does not work.
> Regards
> Adriano
> Il 25/02/2019 18:52, Gene ha scritto:
>> Do you want messages to accumulate in the trash folder as a safeguard against accidental deletion?� If not, use shift d instead of delete. That will delete the messages and not send them to the trash folder, which should work around the problem.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original message -----
>> *From:* Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io <mailto:adrianobarb@...>
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2019 10:28 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Thunderbird and trash
>>
>> Thanks� Brayan, but the problem is, why the trash can't work normally?
>>
>> It seems that the trash folder has a limit of 10/12 messages only at a time.
>>
>> I also tried to repair it from its properties, but the problem persists and it is quite frustrating to delete 70 or more messages, always having to compact or empty this trash folder.
>>
>> Other ideas?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Adriano
>>
>>
>> Il 25/02/2019 17:03, Brian Vogel ha scritto:
>>> Adriano,
>>>
>>>���������� See: https://www.hampshire.edu/it/thunderbird-compacting-folders
>>>
>>> or the source material used to write it: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Compacting_folders
>>> --
>>>
>>> Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>>>
>>> */A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep./*
>>>
>>>���������� ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/
>>>







Re: virtualbox gui

mattias
 

but you can disable the driver in jaws

i tryed to disable it and it worked annyway

Den 2019-02-26 kl. 18:18, skrev Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io:

Jaws uses a display chain driver even in later versions of windows. Have a look at the running processes.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "mattias" <mjonsson1986@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 2:13 PM
Subject: [nvda] virtualbox gui


how can jaws read the virtualbox gui without issues

jaws 2018

but nvda cant realy do that yet





Re: Thunderbird and trash

ADRIAN POCOCK
 

Relating to the issue with thunderbird and compacting this piece from help support might help.

How can I configure compaction?

In the Tools | Options | Advanced | Network & Disk Space menu, you can:

  • disable automatic compaction (which is not recommended because your folders won't be regularly cleaned of deleted messages)
  • change the compaction threshold (for instance if you deal with a large volume of messages, you may use a larger threshold)


Re: Off topic does anyone know of any app for android that makes google maps accessible

 

This is a message ideally suited to the blindphones group.

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Re: alt tab quits working at random when nvda is running

Lenron
 

This happens to me as well.

On 2/26/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
except I did not have explorer open. I had p3d, obs, firefox, project
fly, skype, I think my mail program and that was about it. Is there a
way retrieve the logs from 2 restarts of nvda ago or am I basically SOL
until it happens again. I really do want to submit the log for this if
possible.

On 26 Feb 2019, at 9:16, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I also get this but put it down to the same issue like open an
Explorer window and nvda will not register its open yet it is open as
cursor down brings it to life. Same goes sometimes in web sites not
auto reading or indeed not showing having focus either unless you do
something like open a menu and close it

I think that there is a kind of slugging effect going on in all these
scenarios that makes nvda not get the event it needs to detect the
changes reliably.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami"
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To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] alt tab quits working at random when nvda is running


Summary: when using alt tab to get from program to program, nvda
will
sometimes not an-ounce the program O'm on when holding alt and
hitting
tab

steps:

1. Launch nvda
2. Use nvda as normal and alt tab between many windows. I sometimes
have
between 5 and 10 running..
3. Notice that sometimes alt tab fails to speak the window I'm on but
when I let go after let's say hitting tab 3 times I will gain focus
on
that window.

Regression: I can regress this to some builds last year, although I
thought it was a windows issue so never actually reported it..

Expected results:

I should be able to see the windows that i'm alt tabbing through
instead of getting silence

Windows version 10 1809 updated last Saturday to the latest.
32 gigs of ram, 4.0 ghz processor and 64 bit architecture.

Work around:
Restarting nvda always works to bring my alt tab behavior back. I
just
shut off my computer last night so no logs will be apparent. Is there
a
way I can retrieve the log from the time before I restarted nvda and
before I shut down the computer?


This is random so I can't really say when this happens or give any
pattern to how to make this happen.






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Re: Off topic does anyone know of any app for android that makes google maps accessible

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On 26 Feb 2019, at 9:25, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

As the subject line says this is off topic but is there any kind souls out there that would know off any android apps capable of accessing google maps to allow talk back to speak them.

 


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Re: alt tab quits working at random when nvda is running

Sarah k Alawami
 

except I did not have explorer open. I had p3d, obs, firefox, project fly, skype, I think my mail program and that was about it. Is there a way retrieve the logs from 2 restarts of nvda ago or am I basically SOL until it happens again. I really do want to submit the log for this if possible.

On 26 Feb 2019, at 9:16, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I also get this but put it down to the same issue like open an Explorer window and nvda will not register its open yet it is open as cursor down brings it to life. Same goes sometimes in web sites not auto reading or indeed not showing having focus either unless you do something like open a menu and close it

I think that there is a kind of slugging effect going on in all these scenarios that makes nvda not get the event it needs to detect the changes reliably.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] alt tab quits working at random when nvda is running

Summary: when using alt tab to get from program to program, nvda will
sometimes not an-ounce the program O'm on when holding alt and hitting
tab

steps:

1. Launch nvda
2. Use nvda as normal and alt tab between many windows. I sometimes have
between 5 and 10 running..
3. Notice that sometimes alt tab fails to speak the window I'm on but
when I let go after let's say hitting tab 3 times I will gain focus on
that window.

Regression: I can regress this to some builds last year, although I
thought it was a windows issue so never actually reported it..

Expected results:

I should be able to see the windows that i'm alt tabbing through
instead of getting silence

Windows version 10 1809 updated last Saturday to the latest.
32 gigs of ram, 4.0 ghz processor and 64 bit architecture.

Work around:
Restarting nvda always works to bring my alt tab behavior back. I just
shut off my computer last night so no logs will be apparent. Is there a
way I can retrieve the log from the time before I restarted nvda and
before I shut down the computer?


This is random so I can't really say when this happens or give any
pattern to how to make this happen.




Re: Thunderbird and trash

Adriano Barbieri
 

This is the first installation, never had previous versions.

I will try to find a previous version, I will have to disable the automatic update of TB, otherwise I find myself still with this version.

I'll let you know.


Regards

adriano


Il 26/02/2019 18:18, Gene ha scritto:
Have you tried shift delete?� Also, as I said, you can go back to an earlier version.� If the problem started immediately after you upgraded, then there may be a problem with that version.
�
Gene
----- Original Message -----�
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird and trash

Hi Gene,


I tried to delete the trash folder of an account and the related Trash.msf file, the path file appears from the account basket properties, in my case:

C:/Users/Adriano/AppData/Roaming/Thunderbird/Profiles/uaip436j.default/Mail/pop.mail.yahoo.it/

I restarted TB, and ... even worse, it did not erase anything anymore, it allowed me to correct the folder from the properties.

In the end I restored the 2 files from the Windows trash.

I do not know what to say, it seems that this happens also to other people, but not everyone.

Thanks to everyone anyway for the help.

I am always listening for other possible solutions.

Regards

Adriano



il 26/02/2019 00:08, Gene ha scritto:
As I think about it further, uninstalling the program and reinstalling it may not accomplish anything. �Brian distinguished between POP3 accounts and IMAP accounts.� I don't use IMAP so I won't address that.� My guess is that if you uninstall the program, it leaves your folders on the computer if you are using POP3.� If there is a problem with the folder, uninstalling and reinstalling the program may accomplish nothing.� removing the folder and allowing the program to automatically create a new one when you run it may solve the problem.� I have no idea if going back to a previous version of the program would help.� I don't use Thunderbird and I don't know how you would delete the folder but if you don't want to use shift delete and are using POP3, deleting the folder may be the best thing to try as a first attempt to solve the problem.
�
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird and trash

Did the problem start immediately after the upgrade?� You may want to try to uninstall and reinstall the program or go back to the previous version and set it not to update.� Or you may want to try shift delete, which should also solve the problem.
�
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird and trash

Are use three male clients
Apple on the two systems Mac and iPhone
And use thunderbird and that is the only one that ever asks to compact messages
Regards Ian
On 26 Feb 2019, at 6:45 am, Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...> wrote:

When I emthy the trash folder, I hit control a, then I hit the shift eeleate key. I never have any compacting issues.

> On 2/25/2019 2:32 PM, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi Gene,
> Shift + d does not work.
> Regards
> Adriano
> Il 25/02/2019 18:52, Gene ha scritto:
>> Do you want messages to accumulate in the trash folder as a safeguard against accidental deletion?� If not, use shift d instead of delete. That will delete the messages and not send them to the trash folder, which should work around the problem.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original message -----
>> *From:* Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io <mailto:adrianobarb@...>
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2019 10:28 AM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Thunderbird and trash
>>
>> Thanks� Brayan, but the problem is, why the trash can't work normally?
>>
>> It seems that the trash folder has a limit of 10/12 messages only at a time.
>>
>> I also tried to repair it from its properties, but the problem persists and it is quite frustrating to delete 70 or more messages, always having to compact or empty this trash folder.
>>
>> Other ideas?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Adriano
>>
>>
>> Il 25/02/2019 17:03, Brian Vogel ha scritto:
>>> Adriano,
>>>
>>>���������� See: https://www.hampshire.edu/it/thunderbird-compacting-folders
>>>
>>> or the source material used to write it: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Compacting_folders
>>> --
>>>
>>> Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>>>
>>> */A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep./*
>>>
>>>���������� ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/
>>>