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Re: alt tab quits working at random when nvda is running

 

hi.
i remember this issue in nvda 2017.3 dont have newer versions to test with.
but i returned to my favorite version 2017.2 and i dont have this
issue most of times.

On 2/26/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Summary: when using alt tab to get from program to program, nvda will
sometimes not an-ounce the program O'm on when holding alt and hitting
tab

steps:

1. Launch nvda
2. Use nvda as normal and alt tab between many windows. I sometimes have
between 5 and 10 running..
3. Notice that sometimes alt tab fails to speak the window I'm on but
when I let go after let's say hitting tab 3 times I will gain focus on
that window.

Regression: I can regress this to some builds last year, although I
thought it was a windows issue so never actually reported it..

Expected results:

I should be able to see the windows that i'm alt tabbing through
instead of getting silence

Windows version 10 1809 updated last Saturday to the latest.
32 gigs of ram, 4.0 ghz processor and 64 bit architecture.

Work around:
Restarting nvda always works to bring my alt tab behavior back. I just
shut off my computer last night so no logs will be apparent. Is there a
way I can retrieve the log from the time before I restarted nvda and
before I shut down the computer?


This is random so I can't really say when this happens or give any
pattern to how to make this happen.



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Fw: [Nvda-devel] NV Access accepted as a mentor organization in Google Summer of Code 2019

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As I saw this suggestion first on this list, I thought I'd forwarded this message here as well for your delectation...
Brian

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From: "Michael Curran" <mick@nvaccess.org>
To: "NVDA screen reader development" <nvda-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 10:59 PM
Subject: [Nvda-devel] NV Access accepted as a mentor organization in Google Summer of Code 2019


Hi all,


NV Access can officially announce that it has been accepted as a mentor organization in this year's Google Summer of Code.

You can find us on the Google Summer of Code website at: https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5317267756154880/


We look forward to reviewing student proposals starting at the end of march.


If you do have any questions about creating a proposal etc, please contact info@nvaccess.org.


Regards

Mick




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Re: Off topic does anyone know of any app for android that makes google maps accessible

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I'd suggest going to the blindphones list for this one.
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From: "ADRIAN POCOCK" <ampbeast@live.co.uk>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 5:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] Off topic does anyone know of any app for android that makes google maps accessible


As the subject line says this is off topic but is there any kind souls out there that would know off any android apps capable of accessing google maps to allow talk back to speak them.




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Re: alt tab quits working at random when nvda is running

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Its more often here, however, probably 7 times a day or so in one form or another.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] alt tab quits working at random when nvda is running


Darn. then the next time I turn on my computer it will be lost. I'll
have to reproduce the isue, then send the log over. I can wait. and yeah
this has happened now two times in the past 2 weeks.

Tc

On 26 Feb 2019, at 11:00, Tyler Spivey wrote:

You can only retrieve the log from one restart ago, at
%temp%\nvda-old.log.

This has been an ongoing, annoying problem for NVDA for years. It was
considerably worse before some UIA changes went in to 2018.4 (#7345).
I don't think I've seen it since it was fixed.

On 2/26/2019 9:29 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
except I did not have explorer open. I had p3d, obs, firefox, project
fly, skype, I think my mail program and that was about it. Is there a
way retrieve the logs from 2 restarts of nvda ago or am I basically
SOL until it happens again. I really do want to submit the log for
this if possible.

On 26 Feb 2019, at 9:16, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:

I also get this but put it down to the same issue like open an
Explorer window and nvda will not register its open yet it is
open
as cursor down brings it to life. Same goes sometimes in web
sites
not auto reading or indeed not showing having focus either unless
you do something like open a menu and close it

I think that there is a kind of slugging effect going on in all
these scenarios that makes nvda not get the event it needs to
detect
the changes reliably.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami"
<marrie12@gmail.com>
To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] alt tab quits working at random when nvda is
running

Summary: when using alt tab to get from program to program,
nvda
will
sometimes not an-ounce the program O'm on when holding alt
and
hitting
tab

steps:

1. Launch nvda
2. Use nvda as normal and alt tab between many windows. I
sometimes have
between 5 and 10 running..
3. Notice that sometimes alt tab fails to speak the window
I'm
on but
when I let go after let's say hitting tab 3 times I will gain
focus on
that window.

Regression: I can regress this to some builds last year,
although I
thought it was a windows issue so never actually reported
it..

Expected results:

I should be able to see the windows that i'm alt tabbing
through
instead of getting silence

Windows version 10 1809 updated last Saturday to the latest.
32 gigs of ram, 4.0 ghz processor and 64 bit architecture.

Work around:
Restarting nvda always works to bring my alt tab behavior
back.
I just
shut off my computer last night so no logs will be apparent.
Is
there a
way I can retrieve the log from the time before I restarted
nvda and
before I shut down the computer?


This is random so I can't really say when this happens or
give any
pattern to how to make this happen.






Re: alt tab quits working at random when nvda is running

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I think though as we have no idea which accessibility api is in use in a given piece of software, the problem may well be due to one or more of the others not UIA.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@pcdesk.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] alt tab quits working at random when nvda is running


You can only retrieve the log from one restart ago, at %temp%\nvda-old.log.

This has been an ongoing, annoying problem for NVDA for years. It was considerably worse before some UIA changes went in to 2018.4 (#7345). I don't think I've seen it since it was fixed.

On 2/26/2019 9:29 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
except I did not have explorer open. I had p3d, obs, firefox, project fly, skype, I think my mail program and that was about it. Is there a way retrieve the logs from 2 restarts of nvda ago or am I basically SOL until it happens again. I really do want to submit the log for this if possible.

On 26 Feb 2019, at 9:16, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I also get this but put it down to the same issue like open an
Explorer window and nvda will not register its open yet it is open
as cursor down brings it to life. Same goes sometimes in web sites
not auto reading or indeed not showing having focus either unless
you do something like open a menu and close it

I think that there is a kind of slugging effect going on in all
these scenarios that makes nvda not get the event it needs to detect
the changes reliably.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami"
<marrie12@gmail.com>
To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] alt tab quits working at random when nvda is running

Summary: when using alt tab to get from program to program, nvda
will
sometimes not an-ounce the program O'm on when holding alt and
hitting
tab

steps:

1. Launch nvda
2. Use nvda as normal and alt tab between many windows. I
sometimes have
between 5 and 10 running..
3. Notice that sometimes alt tab fails to speak the window I'm
on but
when I let go after let's say hitting tab 3 times I will gain
focus on
that window.

Regression: I can regress this to some builds last year, although I
thought it was a windows issue so never actually reported it..

Expected results:

I should be able to see the windows that i'm alt tabbing through
instead of getting silence

Windows version 10 1809 updated last Saturday to the latest.
32 gigs of ram, 4.0 ghz processor and 64 bit architecture.

Work around:
Restarting nvda always works to bring my alt tab behavior back.
I just
shut off my computer last night so no logs will be apparent. Is
there a
way I can retrieve the log from the time before I restarted nvda and
before I shut down the computer?


This is random so I can't really say when this happens or give any
pattern to how to make this happen.





Re: alt tab quits working at random when nvda is running

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No you cannot go back that far. I was merely postulating that the effect might well be missed events of one sort or another by nvda for, as yet reasons unknown.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] alt tab quits working at random when nvda is running


except I did not have explorer open. I had p3d, obs, firefox, project
fly, skype, I think my mail program and that was about it. Is there a
way retrieve the logs from 2 restarts of nvda ago or am I basically SOL
until it happens again. I really do want to submit the log for this if
possible.

On 26 Feb 2019, at 9:16, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I also get this but put it down to the same issue like open an
Explorer window and nvda will not register its open yet it is open as
cursor down brings it to life. Same goes sometimes in web sites not
auto reading or indeed not showing having focus either unless you do
something like open a menu and close it

I think that there is a kind of slugging effect going on in all these
scenarios that makes nvda not get the event it needs to detect the
changes reliably.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami"
<marrie12@gmail.com>
To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] alt tab quits working at random when nvda is running


Summary: when using alt tab to get from program to program, nvda
will
sometimes not an-ounce the program O'm on when holding alt and
hitting
tab

steps:

1. Launch nvda
2. Use nvda as normal and alt tab between many windows. I sometimes
have
between 5 and 10 running..
3. Notice that sometimes alt tab fails to speak the window I'm on but
when I let go after let's say hitting tab 3 times I will gain focus
on
that window.

Regression: I can regress this to some builds last year, although I
thought it was a windows issue so never actually reported it..

Expected results:

I should be able to see the windows that i'm alt tabbing through
instead of getting silence

Windows version 10 1809 updated last Saturday to the latest.
32 gigs of ram, 4.0 ghz processor and 64 bit architecture.

Work around:
Restarting nvda always works to bring my alt tab behavior back. I
just
shut off my computer last night so no logs will be apparent. Is there
a
way I can retrieve the log from the time before I restarted nvda and
before I shut down the computer?


This is random so I can't really say when this happens or give any
pattern to how to make this happen.






Re: Test

Dejan Ristic
 

Got it, too.

On 26/02/2019 10:09, Albert Ruel wrote:
Got it.  

Thx, Albert


On Feb 26, 2019, at 1:00 AM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:

I am attempting to send messages to the list, but it seems that groups.io are rejecting all messages from my e-mail address. So, this is a test.

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: NVDA podcast or representative

 

Hmmph you could always try the coolblindtech guys not sure if they would exactly do a cast on nvda necessarily but its worth a shot.

The guy may even get a spotlight cast back, its been a long time since they actuall broadcast anything themselves though there are articles and stuff going up every week so they aren't down and out.

For our own materials we aren't to shabby.

We have audio tutorials, whatsnews and nvda con archive casts as well as promo videos and the like joseph lee has done.

Could it be possible for us to have enough material to set something up if not a cast for ourselves we have enough archived materials  to blow our own trumpet.

Now I do co admin a site that does casts on a few things, but I use nvda for myself and not for everything under the sun.

Saying this, if this guydoesn't mind interviews himself or even depending on things a cast on something, tech@... is the guy's address of the guy that makes the cast I co run.

Weather he wants to do whatever is his call though I am just a site admin with a few articles thrown in.

We are looking for things to cast though, as its mostly security breaches and some braille and app casts on various things.

I havn't really had anything audio related to contribute for a little though.



On 27/02/2019 3:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

Earlier I was speaking with the President of the Montego Bay Society for the Blind. He is looking to speak with someone on his internet station or get permission to play a podcast that gives information about NVDA. His name is Robert Blake. Who can I put him in contact with?


Re: Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

Annette Moore
 

Can you have it manually switch between browse and focus modes without it automatically opening a combo box when you come to one? having it do so in a combo box is why I don't have it manually switch between the two. System Access, the screen reader I previously used, would automatically allow you to start typing in an edit box, but when you got to a combo box or a drop-down menu, you had to hit alt+d I believe. I don't recall now if that keystroke opened combo boxes or just drop-down menus, but anyway, when I started using NVDA, I had it set to automatically switch, but then, one time, I was shopping and ran into a combo box. Not realizing the thing had opened automatically, I nearly ended up buying way, way more than I'd intended to by inadvertently selecting a high number of whatever item it was I was trying to purchase. I don't even remember now what the item was, but I remember thinking, OK, I don't want this thing automatically opening the combo box and confusing the heck out of me! So I'm just wondering: Can you have it switch between browse and focus modes, while not automatically opening combo boxes. I'd rather open those myself. If not, I'll just keep it the way it is. It's nothing, really, to hit alt space when I need to write something. Only takes a second to do.

Annette

On 2/26/2019 3:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 04:05 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
ChromeVox
This reply is not meant as a "jumping down your throat," but once you get to an ecosystem other than Windows we're talking about an entirely different world.

You are not alone, however, in liking the automatic switching between modes.   I prefer it except in very specific circumstances, and those occur so seldom that I'd never make the default be manual switching.

Some of this comes from when different people began using screen readers, too, as at one time manual switching was the default.  It's all pretty much in what you got used to and comfortable with.
 
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Re: NVDA podcast or representative

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Robert,

If he would like to interview someone from NV Access, I'm happy to speak with him, you can give him my details.

Alternatively, if he would like to speak to a user, I'm sure there are plenty of people in here who can help as well :)

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 1:24 PM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:

Earlier I was speaking with the President of the Montego Bay Society for the Blind. He is looking to speak with someone on his internet station or get permission to play a podcast that gives information about NVDA. His name is Robert Blake. Who can I put him in contact with?



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NVDA podcast or representative

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Earlier I was speaking with the President of the Montego Bay Society for the Blind. He is looking to speak with someone on his internet station or get permission to play a podcast that gives information about NVDA. His name is Robert Blake. Who can I put him in contact with?


Re: Add-on Updater 19.03 #addonrelease

 

All "official" NVDA Add-Ons can be found on the NVDA Community Add-Ons Page.   The sort order is by the date of latest update, so right now Outlook Extended is the second add-on in the list.  But searching for Outlook means you're going to find it even once it begins to move down the list.
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Re: Add-on Updater 19.03 #addonrelease

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'd like to know about the extended add-on too.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 3:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater 19.03 #AddonRelease

 

I recently started using Outlook. Where would I find the Outlook extended add-on.
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Re: NVDA And Vocalizer Expressive Voices

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I'm also using the Code Factory Vocalizer/Eloquence add-on, and I've had no trouble with it. The downside is that it costs about $60.00, but you can download all the voices you want after you purchase it, so it's worth it.
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Re: Add-on Updater 19.03 #addonrelease

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

I recently started using Outlook. Where would I find the Outlook extended add-on.
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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

 

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 06:05 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
the need to press the escape key when using Control+F to find a string was mentioned very early in the conversation
10th post, but it was mentioned by Travis on his first entry.  So, I apologize to Travis.   Somehow I missed this and retract my earlier statement as mistaken and baseless.  I expect others to read carefully and I expect nothing less of myself.  I failed in this case.
 
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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Richard Bartholomew
 

Given the incredible amount of verbiage on this topic (to which I’m contributing!), I can see that it would be easy to miss something but, just for completeness, the need to press the escape key when using Control+F to find a string was mentioned very early in the conversation and, from memory, multiple times thereafter!

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 26 February 2019 18:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

 

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 01:37 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I don't mind the silene as I am yelled at if nothingn on that page is found in regard to the string I typed.

Which is fine if you know exactly what to expect.   For anyone who already uses the technique, is comfortable with it, and may be teaching someone else - in which case they'll be teaching the technique completely and noting its pitfalls - more power to you.

This isn't saying that no one can or should use a technique they prefer.   But, you have to be complete about what that technique is.  I would have discovered the NVDA speaks part after hitting Escape ages ago had that been included.   Even though it works, it's also completely counterintuitive as Escape (just as Control) alone will typically shut a screen reader up.
 
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Re: Golden Cursor question

Curtis Delzer
 

Hi I got this reply from the Becky! mail list from the gentleman who
writes a help file for Becky.
Yes, Becky opens URL in browser. If not happening, it may be a problem in default browser setup. good luck,

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Re: Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

Gene
 

Any time I have been in a program where browse mode is available, JAWS and NVDA automatically place me in browse mode.  I should add that Microsoft Word, which may have browse mode available is an exception to what I said for understandable reasons.  Often, when you run Word, you want to edit and write.  You can't in browse mode.  I can instantly tell if it is available or if I am in it by using the command NVDA key space, which will toggle between browse mode on and off.  In JAWS the same behavior occurs, you are automatically placed in browse mode if the program supports it.  To see if you are in browse mode, or as JAWS calls it, the Virtual PC cursor, pressing numpad plus will announce Virtual PC cursor if it is active.
 
I recall that Window-eyes had a setting that would allow you to have browse mode not automatically come on.  This can be accomplished in JAWS and NVDA with roughly equivalent commands.  But my point is that it is very easy to tell if you are in browse mode with JAWS and NVDA.  When using a different screen-reader, it’s a good idea to ask if there is a feature that is equivalent to what you use in the one you generally work with if you are switching screen-readers or plan to use the other one a lot more. Not asking may cause you to lose access to a useful or important feature. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

I will also point out that Window-eyes had the ability to change and
stay in any given mode, as well as the ability, (not by just changing
cursors) to at least query the system and see if browse mode was
available, and then tell you, for example, "browse mode available,"
which is extremely valuable in cases where you try to go to it in a
control you may not be familiar with but suspect that browse mode may be
available. :)
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WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA




Re: Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

Curtis Delzer
 

I will also point out that Window-eyes had the ability to change and
stay in any given mode, as well as the ability, (not by just changing
cursors) to at least query the system and see if browse mode was
available, and then tell you, for example, "browse mode available,"
which is extremely valuable in cases where you try to go to it in a
control you may not be familiar with but suspect that browse mode may be
available. :)
-----
Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA