Date   

Re: Having troubles to play with a website

Peter Beasley
 

But nothing happens when you press space bar on the button.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: 24 February 2019 17:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a website

 

Using Chrome and the play button, I can move to the button and to other buttons on the page.  Perhaps with Firefox, that can't be done.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 10:56 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a website

 

Marcio,

          This is a very strange site indeed in that the play buttons do not even get visited when brute force tabbing through the page.   When I looked at the page source, it turns out that they have used ARIA labels for each and every play button for the tracks listed.  For example, the track called Desensitized has an ARIA label on its play button, "Play Desensitized".

          I don't know whether that will help in any way, but it's the best I can do.  I have not previously encountered a music player page where the actual buttons that control play are not visited.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


Re: Having troubles to play with a website

 

Seriously, it seems more work than I feel like doing, but I'll do just because I really want to hear how that project would sound after all.
The idea of robotic music be it whatever it could be fascinates me. Smiles.

P.S.: I sent you an email off-list, did you receive it?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow or add me on Facebook

Em 24/02/2019 15:27, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Marcio,

           What's really peculiar to me is that the quick navigation shortcuts will gain you focus on the various buttons, which I had not tried before because this is the first time I have ever encountered a page where brute force tab traversal doesn't encounter controls in roughly the same order as they're seen on the screen.  At some point I'm going to have to keep tabbing and tabbing and tabbing to see if, eventually, those buttons are traversed.

            Using the B quick navigation shortcut will get you focus on the button, but when I have focus on the button with NVDA using NumPad Slash to left click still does nothing at all.  Neither does spacebar or enter.   However, once I have focus on the button via the B command, if I use NVDA+Num Pad Slash to route the mouse to the NVDA item with focus, then hit NumPad Slash (or left click if you have a prepared mouse or have left your mousepad hard buttons active while covering the tracking area), it works.

             You have to go around Jake's barn, as they say in the region I live in to get it to work, but you eventually can.  But in order to even get to that stage relatively quickly you have to know there are buttons on the page, use the B quick navigation command to get to one, find that spacebar or enter won't activate it, then play the route PC to screen reader focus and emulate left click game to activate it.

              That's more than I'd expect anyone unfamiliar with a page's contents from the outset to ever be able to do quickly and "instinctively."

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 



Re: Having troubles to play with a website

 

Marcio,

          Decided to play with extended brute force tabbing, and even then you never land on any of those audio control buttons.  When I was on either TAB number 64 or 65 I was circling round back to the beginning, and right past the audio control buttons.   

          The only way I can get focus on them on this page is via the B quick navigation command.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Having troubles to play with a website

 

Marcio,

           What's really peculiar to me is that the quick navigation shortcuts will gain you focus on the various buttons, which I had not tried before because this is the first time I have ever encountered a page where brute force tab traversal doesn't encounter controls in roughly the same order as they're seen on the screen.  At some point I'm going to have to keep tabbing and tabbing and tabbing to see if, eventually, those buttons are traversed.

            Using the B quick navigation shortcut will get you focus on the button, but when I have focus on the button with NVDA using NumPad Slash to left click still does nothing at all.  Neither does spacebar or enter.   However, once I have focus on the button via the B command, if I use NVDA+Num Pad Slash to route the mouse to the NVDA item with focus, then hit NumPad Slash (or left click if you have a prepared mouse or have left your mousepad hard buttons active while covering the tracking area), it works.

             You have to go around Jake's barn, as they say in the region I live in to get it to work, but you eventually can.  But in order to even get to that stage relatively quickly you have to know there are buttons on the page, use the B quick navigation command to get to one, find that spacebar or enter won't activate it, then play the route PC to screen reader focus and emulate left click game to activate it.

              That's more than I'd expect anyone unfamiliar with a page's contents from the outset to ever be able to do quickly and "instinctively."

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Having troubles to play with a website

Gene
 

Having to use the mouse to follow a link or activate a control is not that uncommon.  Of course, if you want, you may contact whomever is responsible but this isn't a rare problem.  it doesn't happen every day, but often enough.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a website

Oh, I see.
Well someone needs to fix it for a screen reader user, seriously.
By the way to make things even worse I can't even blame the guy that came with this link, as it's not his website so to speak.
As I understand it's a service that allows us to create our own website for our musical project, but yet it's about their platform, which means that every website using it will behave the same way. So sad.
Em 24/02/2019 14:41, Brian Vogel escreveu:
Marcio,

            No, I can click it and it works fine.  I just do not land on any of the Play buttons when using NVDA, and Chrome.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 



Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

 

Ok, I got it now. Thanks for the answers :)
Em 24/02/2019 15:05, Gene escreveu:

The screen-reader can't work with the search built into the browser.  The page that you are reading is in a buffer where the screen-reader reformats it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

So it's an option that the screen reader isn't able to deal with, is it right?
Sorry for asking too much as I am but it really got me curious.
Em 24/02/2019 14:30, Gene escreveu:
If you aren't using a screen-reader you use the actual search built into the browser itself. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

But, what's the point of the "search for" option built-in on the browser? How one would deal with this option not using a screen reader?
Em 24/02/2019 14:11, Gene escreveu:
You are searching using the buffer which screen-readers that use browse mode or the Virtual PC cursor use.  You aren't working directly with the page in browse mode or equivalent mode in a different screen-reader.  You must use the search command the screen-reader designates.
 
Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 10:09 AM
Subject: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Hi guys,
Anyone could tell me what's the difference between these two commands?
I'm asking because using the browser command to search, nothing happens after I hit enter. On the other hand if I use the NVDA command I'll able to search for what I'm wanting to.
P.S.: Using Firefox.

--

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow or add me on Facebook





Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Gene
 

The screen-reader can't work with the search built into the browser.  The page that you are reading is in a buffer where the screen-reader reformats it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

So it's an option that the screen reader isn't able to deal with, is it right?
Sorry for asking too much as I am but it really got me curious.
Em 24/02/2019 14:30, Gene escreveu:
If you aren't using a screen-reader you use the actual search built into the browser itself. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

But, what's the point of the "search for" option built-in on the browser? How one would deal with this option not using a screen reader?
Em 24/02/2019 14:11, Gene escreveu:
You are searching using the buffer which screen-readers that use browse mode or the Virtual PC cursor use.  You aren't working directly with the page in browse mode or equivalent mode in a different screen-reader.  You must use the search command the screen-reader designates.
 
Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 10:09 AM
Subject: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Hi guys,
Anyone could tell me what's the difference between these two commands?
I'm asking because using the browser command to search, nothing happens after I hit enter. On the other hand if I use the NVDA command I'll able to search for what I'm wanting to.
P.S.: Using Firefox.

--

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow or add me on Facebook




Re: Having troubles to play with a website

 

Oh, I see.
Well someone needs to fix it for a screen reader user, seriously.
By the way to make things even worse I can't even blame the guy that came with this link, as it's not his website so to speak.
As I understand it's a service that allows us to create our own website for our musical project, but yet it's about their platform, which means that every website using it will behave the same way. So sad.
Em 24/02/2019 14:41, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Marcio,

            No, I can click it and it works fine.  I just do not land on any of the Play buttons when using NVDA, and Chrome.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 



Re: NVDA CodeFactory imbedded pro voices

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

That's subjective. I find the compact versions don't mangle some
pronunciations.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of luke scholey
Sent: 22 February 2019 12:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA CodeFactory imbedded pro voices

Higher is better quality.
Luke

On 22 Feb 2019, at 02:53, Chris Shook <chris0309@sero.email> wrote:

Hi,
WHen using Eloquence and Vocalizer expressive for NVDA, what is the
difference in the imbedded pro and the imbedded high?
I know the imbedded pro is more precise in it's pronunciation and takes up
less space, but is there an official difference?
Thanks
Chris



Re: Having troubles to play with a website

 

Marcio,

            No, I can click it and it works fine.  I just do not land on any of the Play buttons when using NVDA, and Chrome.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

 

So it's an option that the screen reader isn't able to deal with, is it right?
Sorry for asking too much as I am but it really got me curious.
Em 24/02/2019 14:30, Gene escreveu:

If you aren't using a screen-reader you use the actual search built into the browser itself. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

But, what's the point of the "search for" option built-in on the browser? How one would deal with this option not using a screen reader?
Em 24/02/2019 14:11, Gene escreveu:
You are searching using the buffer which screen-readers that use browse mode or the Virtual PC cursor use.  You aren't working directly with the page in browse mode or equivalent mode in a different screen-reader.  You must use the search command the screen-reader designates.
 
Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 10:09 AM
Subject: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Hi guys,
Anyone could tell me what's the difference between these two commands?
I'm asking because using the browser command to search, nothing happens after I hit enter. On the other hand if I use the NVDA command I'll able to search for what I'm wanting to.
P.S.: Using Firefox.

--

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow or add me on Facebook




Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Gene
 

If you aren't using a screen-reader you use the actual search built into the browser itself. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

But, what's the point of the "search for" option built-in on the browser? How one would deal with this option not using a screen reader?
Em 24/02/2019 14:11, Gene escreveu:
You are searching using the buffer which screen-readers that use browse mode or the Virtual PC cursor use.  You aren't working directly with the page in browse mode or equivalent mode in a different screen-reader.  You must use the search command the screen-reader designates.
 
Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 10:09 AM
Subject: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Hi guys,
Anyone could tell me what's the difference between these two commands?
I'm asking because using the browser command to search, nothing happens after I hit enter. On the other hand if I use the NVDA command I'll able to search for what I'm wanting to.
P.S.: Using Firefox.

--

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow or add me on Facebook



Re: Having troubles to play with a website

Gene
 

Using Chrome and the play button, I can move to the button and to other buttons on the page.  Perhaps with Firefox, that can't be done.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a website

Marcio,

          This is a very strange site indeed in that the play buttons do not even get visited when brute force tabbing through the page.   When I looked at the page source, it turns out that they have used ARIA labels for each and every play button for the tracks listed.  For example, the track called Desensitized has an ARIA label on its play button, "Play Desensitized".

          I don't know whether that will help in any way, but it's the best I can do.  I have not previously encountered a music player page where the actual buttons that control play are not visited.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Having troubles to play with a website

 

Brian,
So it would mean that even to the sighted people the "play" button isn't working at all?
Oh and thanks for your time finding it out :)
Em 24/02/2019 13:56, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Marcio,

          This is a very strange site indeed in that the play buttons do not even get visited when brute force tabbing through the page.   When I looked at the page source, it turns out that they have used ARIA labels for each and every play button for the tracks listed.  For example, the track called Desensitized has an ARIA label on its play button, "Play Desensitized".

          I don't know whether that will help in any way, but it's the best I can do.  I have not previously encountered a music player page where the actual buttons that control play are not visited.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 



Re: Having troubles to play with a website

 

Yep, I did use the searching, what caused me to write this other email that I just answered you on :)
Em 24/02/2019 14:08, Gene escreveu:

I was going to suggest that but I was also going to say that, since this is a web page, if you search for an important word, and repeat the search down the page, you may find it much faster than looking through the commands.  For example, in this case, mouse might help you find it quickly.
 
 
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a website

I'd go to the keystrokes reference then look for it there.
Would you know an easier way? If so, would you please tell me? :)
Em 24/02/2019 13:02, Gene escreveu:
Do you know the convenient way to find out these commands in the laptop layout?  If not, let us know and someone will tell you the convenient way and tell you the command.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a website

I don't have a numpad, neither built-in on my laptop nor a USB one, so it's the only way to go, sadly.
Well sometimes I do use these commands, but that's when I have to switch. That's why I said I'm really used to do it :)
Em 24/02/2019 12:54, Gene escreveu:
Maybe but it doesn't matter if you are using a desktop or a laptop per se.  What matters is if you have a numpad, as many laptops do or many people use USB numpads with laptops.  I don't know how you use NVDA, but for at all advanced users, if you don't use such commands as are available for screen review and working with the mouse, you are losing a lot of the abilities of NVDA beyond a more or less intermediate or not quite intermediate level. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a website

I think it'll be one of the times I'll need to change my layout from desktop to laptop as I am actually using a laptop. Switch between the two layouts is something I'm really used to, but I can't do it without saying that's annoying doing.
If it weren't by the convenience...
Em 24/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:
Are you using the desktop or the laptop keyboard layout?  I don't know the laptop commands.  In the desktop layout, when you are on the button, stay in browse mode, route the mouse with the command numpad insert numpad slash.  Hold numpad insert and press slash while doing so.  Then left click the mouse with numpad slash.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a website

I don't know how to perform this :(
Em 24/02/2019 10:09, Gene escreveu:
Do you know how to route the mouse to the play button?  Do so while in browse mode and left click.  This is important to know because many sites have a control or controls that you can't use from the keyboard.  At times, using the virtual mouse won't work either but it often will.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 6:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a website

Hey all,
I'm trying to play something on this site but no matter what I do, I just can't start the audio.
If I press play, nothing happens at all.
So, anyone can confirm this or give me some workaround?
The link is:
https://golubovsky.bandcamp.com/album/unhuman-voices

Cheers,






Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

 

But, what's the point of the "search for" option built-in on the browser? How one would deal with this option not using a screen reader?
Em 24/02/2019 14:11, Gene escreveu:

You are searching using the buffer which screen-readers that use browse mode or the Virtual PC cursor use.  You aren't working directly with the page in browse mode or equivalent mode in a different screen-reader.  You must use the search command the screen-reader designates.
 
Gene
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 10:09 AM
Subject: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Hi guys,
Anyone could tell me what's the difference between these two commands?
I'm asking because using the browser command to search, nothing happens after I hit enter. On the other hand if I use the NVDA command I'll able to search for what I'm wanting to.
P.S.: Using Firefox.

--

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow or add me on Facebook



Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Gene
 

You are searching using the buffer which screen-readers that use browse mode or the Virtual PC cursor use.  You aren't working directly with the page in browse mode or equivalent mode in a different screen-reader.  You must use the search command the screen-reader designates.
 
Gene

Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 10:09 AM
Subject: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Hi guys,
Anyone could tell me what's the difference between these two commands?
I'm asking because using the browser command to search, nothing happens after I hit enter. On the other hand if I use the NVDA command I'll able to search for what I'm wanting to.
P.S.: Using Firefox.

--

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow or add me on Facebook


Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

James Scholes
 

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 07:45 AM, Gene wrote:
Is there any reason to have it running constantly?



Yes.  I use Dropbox for work, so exiting and restarting the client all day long would be just as inconvenient as these pop-ups.  My Dropbox also contains a large number of source code files.  They're small in size but the Dropbox client takes a long time to index them on startup.  Not to mention the fact that one of the key selling points of the product is that it runs in the background, making cloud storage as convenient as a folder on your computer.


Re: Having troubles to play with a website

Gene
 

I was going to suggest that but I was also going to say that, since this is a web page, if you search for an important word, and repeat the search down the page, you may find it much faster than looking through the commands.  For example, in this case, mouse might help you find it quickly.
 
 
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a website

I'd go to the keystrokes reference then look for it there.
Would you know an easier way? If so, would you please tell me? :)
Em 24/02/2019 13:02, Gene escreveu:
Do you know the convenient way to find out these commands in the laptop layout?  If not, let us know and someone will tell you the convenient way and tell you the command.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a website

I don't have a numpad, neither built-in on my laptop nor a USB one, so it's the only way to go, sadly.
Well sometimes I do use these commands, but that's when I have to switch. That's why I said I'm really used to do it :)
Em 24/02/2019 12:54, Gene escreveu:
Maybe but it doesn't matter if you are using a desktop or a laptop per se.  What matters is if you have a numpad, as many laptops do or many people use USB numpads with laptops.  I don't know how you use NVDA, but for at all advanced users, if you don't use such commands as are available for screen review and working with the mouse, you are losing a lot of the abilities of NVDA beyond a more or less intermediate or not quite intermediate level. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a website

I think it'll be one of the times I'll need to change my layout from desktop to laptop as I am actually using a laptop. Switch between the two layouts is something I'm really used to, but I can't do it without saying that's annoying doing.
If it weren't by the convenience...
Em 24/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:
Are you using the desktop or the laptop keyboard layout?  I don't know the laptop commands.  In the desktop layout, when you are on the button, stay in browse mode, route the mouse with the command numpad insert numpad slash.  Hold numpad insert and press slash while doing so.  Then left click the mouse with numpad slash.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a website

I don't know how to perform this :(
Em 24/02/2019 10:09, Gene escreveu:
Do you know how to route the mouse to the play button?  Do so while in browse mode and left click.  This is important to know because many sites have a control or controls that you can't use from the keyboard.  At times, using the virtual mouse won't work either but it often will.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 6:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a website

Hey all,
I'm trying to play something on this site but no matter what I do, I just can't start the audio.
If I press play, nothing happens at all.
So, anyone can confirm this or give me some workaround?
The link is:
https://golubovsky.bandcamp.com/album/unhuman-voices

Cheers,





Re: Having troubles to play with a website

 

Marcio,

          This is a very strange site indeed in that the play buttons do not even get visited when brute force tabbing through the page.   When I looked at the page source, it turns out that they have used ARIA labels for each and every play button for the tracks listed.  For example, the track called Desensitized has an ARIA label on its play button, "Play Desensitized".

          I don't know whether that will help in any way, but it's the best I can do.  I have not previously encountered a music player page where the actual buttons that control play are not visited.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back