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Re: Having troubles to play with a website
Peter Beasley
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From: Gene
Sent: 24 February 2019 17:26 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a website
Using Chrome and the play button, I can move to the button and to other buttons on the page. Perhaps with Firefox, that can't be done.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a website
Marcio, Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: Having troubles to play with a website
Seriously, it seems more work than I feel like doing, but I'll do
just because I really want to hear how that project would sound
after all.
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The idea of robotic music be it whatever it could be fascinates me. Smiles. Em 24/02/2019 15:27, Brian Vogel
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Marcio,
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Re: Having troubles to play with a website
Marcio,
Decided to play with extended brute force tabbing, and even then you never land on any of those audio control buttons. When I was on either TAB number 64 or 65 I was circling round back to the beginning, and right past the audio control buttons. The only way I can get focus on them on this page is via the B quick navigation command. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: Having troubles to play with a website
Marcio,
What's really peculiar to me is that the quick navigation shortcuts will gain you focus on the various buttons, which I had not tried before because this is the first time I have ever encountered a page where brute force tab traversal doesn't encounter controls in roughly the same order as they're seen on the screen. At some point I'm going to have to keep tabbing and tabbing and tabbing to see if, eventually, those buttons are traversed. Using the B quick navigation shortcut will get you focus on the button, but when I have focus on the button with NVDA using NumPad Slash to left click still does nothing at all. Neither does spacebar or enter. However, once I have focus on the button via the B command, if I use NVDA+Num Pad Slash to route the mouse to the NVDA item with focus, then hit NumPad Slash (or left click if you have a prepared mouse or have left your mousepad hard buttons active while covering the tracking area), it works. You have to go around Jake's barn, as they say in the region I live in to get it to work, but you eventually can. But in order to even get to that stage relatively quickly you have to know there are buttons on the page, use the B quick navigation command to get to one, find that spacebar or enter won't activate it, then play the route PC to screen reader focus and emulate left click game to activate it. That's more than I'd expect anyone unfamiliar with a page's contents from the outset to ever be able to do quickly and "instinctively." -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: Having troubles to play with a website
Gene
Having to use the mouse to follow a link or
activate a control is not that uncommon. Of course, if you want, you may
contact whomever is responsible but this isn't a rare problem. it doesn't
happen every day, but often enough.
Gene
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From: marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a
website Well someone needs to fix it for a screen reader user, seriously. By the way to make things even worse I can't even blame the guy that came with this link, as it's not his website so to speak. As I understand it's a service that allows us to create our own website for our musical project, but yet it's about their platform, which means that every website using it will behave the same way. So sad. Em 24/02/2019 14:41, Brian Vogel escreveu:
Marcio,
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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage
Ok, I got it now. Thanks for the answers :)
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Em 24/02/2019 15:05, Gene escreveu:
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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage
Gene
The screen-reader can't work with the search built
into the browser. The page that you are reading is in a buffer where the
screen-reader reformats it.
Gene
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From: marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the
browser commands search on a webpage Sorry for asking too much as I am but it really got me curious. Em 24/02/2019 14:30, Gene escreveu:
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Re: Having troubles to play with a website
Oh, I see.
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Well someone needs to fix it for a screen reader user, seriously. By the way to make things even worse I can't even blame the guy that came with this link, as it's not his website so to speak. As I understand it's a service that allows us to create our own website for our musical project, but yet it's about their platform, which means that every website using it will behave the same way. So sad. Em 24/02/2019 14:41, Brian Vogel
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Marcio,
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Re: NVDA CodeFactory imbedded pro voices
Steve Nutt
Hi,
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That's subjective. I find the compact versions don't mangle some pronunciations. All the best Steve
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of luke scholey Sent: 22 February 2019 12:12 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA CodeFactory imbedded pro voices Higher is better quality. Luke On 22 Feb 2019, at 02:53, Chris Shook <chris0309@sero.email> wrote:difference in the imbedded pro and the imbedded high? I know the imbedded pro is more precise in it's pronunciation and takes upless space, but is there an official difference? Thanks
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Re: Having troubles to play with a website
Marcio,
No, I can click it and it works fine. I just do not land on any of the Play buttons when using NVDA, and Chrome. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage
So it's an option that the screen reader isn't able to deal with, is
it right?
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Sorry for asking too much as I am but it really got me curious. Em 24/02/2019 14:30, Gene escreveu:
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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage
Gene
If you aren't using a screen-reader you use the
actual search built into the browser itself.
Gene
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From: marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the
browser commands search on a webpage Em 24/02/2019 14:11, Gene escreveu:
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Re: Having troubles to play with a website
Gene
Using Chrome and the play button, I can move to the
button and to other buttons on the page. Perhaps with Firefox, that can't
be done.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a
website This is a very strange site indeed in that the play buttons do not even get visited when brute force tabbing through the page. When I looked at the page source, it turns out that they have used ARIA labels for each and every play button for the tracks listed. For example, the track called Desensitized has an ARIA label on its play button, "Play Desensitized". I don't know whether that will help in any way, but it's the best I can do. I have not previously encountered a music player page where the actual buttons that control play are not visited. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: Having troubles to play with a website
Brian,
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So it would mean that even to the sighted people the "play" button isn't working at all? Oh and thanks for your time finding it out :) Em 24/02/2019 13:56, Brian Vogel
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Marcio,
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Re: Having troubles to play with a website
Yep, I did use the searching, what caused me to write this other
email that I just answered you on :)
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Em 24/02/2019 14:08, Gene escreveu:
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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage
But, what's the point of the "search for" option built-in on the
browser? How one would deal with this option not using a screen
reader?
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Em 24/02/2019 14:11, Gene escreveu:
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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage
Gene
You are searching using the buffer which
screen-readers that use browse mode or the Virtual PC cursor use. You
aren't working directly with the page in browse mode or equivalent mode in a
different screen-reader. You must use the search command the screen-reader
designates.
Gene
From: marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 10:09 AM
Subject: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser
commands search on a webpage Anyone could tell me what's the difference between these two commands? I'm asking because using the browser command to search, nothing happens after I hit enter. On the other hand if I use the NVDA command I'll able to search for what I'm wanting to. P.S.: Using Firefox.
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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
James Scholes
On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 07:45 AM, Gene wrote:
Yes. I use Dropbox for work, so exiting and restarting the client all day long would be just as inconvenient as these pop-ups. My Dropbox also contains a large number of source code files. They're small in size but the Dropbox client takes a long time to index them on startup. Not to mention the fact that one of the key selling points of the product is that it runs in the background, making cloud storage as convenient as a folder on your computer.
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Re: Having troubles to play with a website
Gene
I was going to suggest that but I was also going to
say that, since this is a web page, if you search for an important word, and
repeat the search down the page, you may find it much faster than looking
through the commands. For example, in this case, mouse might help you find
it quickly.
Gene
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From: marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having troubles to play with a
website Would you know an easier way? If so, would you please tell me? :) Em 24/02/2019 13:02, Gene escreveu:
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Re: Having troubles to play with a website
Marcio,
This is a very strange site indeed in that the play buttons do not even get visited when brute force tabbing through the page. When I looked at the page source, it turns out that they have used ARIA labels for each and every play button for the tracks listed. For example, the track called Desensitized has an ARIA label on its play button, "Play Desensitized". I don't know whether that will help in any way, but it's the best I can do. I have not previously encountered a music player page where the actual buttons that control play are not visited. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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