Date   

NVDA 2021.1 Beta 1 is now available

Don H
 

So the Code Factory Vocalizer voices don't work with the beta? What exactly is changing so much to cause so many addon's to not work?


Re: MalwareBytes Premium Reporting Possible False Positive With a File in the Acapela Colibri Voice Bundle

David Goldfield
 

What was a bit odd about my latest Virustotal scan with this Acapela addon was that it reported that 2 out of 68 engines reported the file as being unsafe. However, Virustotal reported that MalwareBytes was one of the engines which did not flag this file as being unsafe even though my instance of MB was the one that quarantined the file. I’m not sure what to make of that but I felt reasonably safe with just two engines having an issue with what I submitted.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 9:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] MalwareBytes Premium Reporting Possible False Positive With a File in the Acapela Colibri Voice Bundle

 

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 08:47 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

You might want to try VirusTotal which uses a variety of malware detection engines to see if the file or URL has been flagged.

-
Absolutely agreed.

This has been a go-to tool for those of us "in the biz" for years.  Samples are submitted for scanning by about 80 different engines (the number can vary by a couple over time).  If you submit something that 76 engines call as clean and 4 as dirty, you can be pretty darned sure that those 4 are false positives.

Real positives tend to be the flip-flop of the above as far as detection as clean versus dirty.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Be prepared for some bumps in the NVDA road - Major Change is coming . . . #adminnotice

Quentin Christensen
 

Indeed - the add-ons community knew this update was coming, and we had asked them to wait to test against NVDA 2021.1 beta 1 BEFORE declaring their add-ons compatible with 2021.1 - just to ensure we had all the breaking changes in before asking them to work on updating anything.  So, we're at that point and we know many authors have already put in much of the work and many more will go ahead and do that now.  As with 2019.3, we anticipate that most add-ons will be updated before the stable build comes out, and most of the rest not long after.

I just had a look and there are 84 dot points just in the "Changes for developers" section of the what's new this time around - obviously not all of those will require any action from most developers, but it does give a bit of an insight into the magnitude of the work already done behind the scenes.

So, for those worried about your add-ons, please be patient, and we'd say run the beta as a portable or temporary copy for now.  Otherwise, with that in mind, do feel free to test out the beta and give us feedback on any other issues you encounter.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 1:48 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Since this Admin Notice was clearly missed by some, and now that the expected "add-on compatibility bumps" are happening, please read this again.  This is not a situation that warrants panic, it's just a major inconvenience for early users of NVDA 2021.1 beta that was entirely predictable and difficult to prevent.  It's an unusual shake-out period, but a shake-out period nonetheless and will not last all that long.
---------------------------------
Hello All,

That major change is at the level of the NVDA code itself, and while that is not something that should concern you directly, the possible side effects, particularly in reference to add-ons, is likely to.

The add-on application program interface (API) is to be updated to version 2021.1. This means add-ons not declaring support for NVDA 2021.1 in their manifests will be marked as incompatible. It doesn't matter if they're really incompatible or not, because this is the mechanism that is used to check compatibility, and invariably, due to a combination of factors, the add-on manifests sometimes don't get updated in perfect synchrony with the NVDA code.  Plenty of add-ons that are now and will be perfectly compatible will end up being flagged as incompatible, and that will stop once the necessary tweak is made to their manifests.

All of that detail shouldn't concern you, either, but I wanted folks to be aware of why this is likely to happen.  And it's most likely to occur when the beta versions of the next version of NVDA begin to show up.

If it occurs, please do not panic, it is most likely to get worked out once the incompatibility is flagged. If one of your favorite add-ons continues to be flagged as incompatible for a couple of days after you first see that, then do your add-on developer a favor and let them know.  Many will be fixed before even a couple of days passes, which is why I don't suggest that everyone flood the developer's inbox immediately.

The purpose of this message is to make clear that the sky is well and truly not falling, though the possibility of it seeming like it is exists. There is almost certain to be a bump or two, at a minimum.  Stay calm and carry on. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

 

      ~ Brian Vogel

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: MalwareBytes Premium Reporting Possible False Positive With a File in the Acapela Colibri Voice Bundle

 

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 08:47 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
You might want to try VirusTotal which uses a variety of malware detection engines to see if the file or URL has been flagged.
-
Absolutely agreed.

This has been a go-to tool for those of us "in the biz" for years.  Samples are submitted for scanning by about 80 different engines (the number can vary by a couple over time).  If you submit something that 76 engines call as clean and 4 as dirty, you can be pretty darned sure that those 4 are false positives.

Real positives tend to be the flip-flop of the above as far as detection as clean versus dirty.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Keyboard not acting normal

Gene
 

I think that there are certain things that, no matter how careful you are, even a very small chance of something going wrong isn’t worth the pleasure. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Keyboard not acting normal
 
Hi jacky.

Yeah, I agree, drinking and eating near the board, I never do it.

You can knock things over so easily.

Sightlings do it to.

I still don't know how some of my family can read the screen of their
tablet, work on their computer, drink coffee and eat musly all while
talking on the phone to someone down the other end of the house I
certainly can't see my self doing it.

I have tried to do it and made a mess of myself so no.

I have to many things about on my system to actually think about eating
near it.

Now eating near your smart device with it a certain distance away maybe
but the board, yeah its a problem.

While flatting in fact thhe system had a lot of issues, people used cd
drives as cup hholders, there was food inside of the computer and so I
can't be that bad.


However for a while my brother ate dinner and all meals ner the computer
and I never had the issue of him spilling food though he left his
rubbish for weeks on end but yeah, I'd never do it.

Just today I was resetting the entire network and I have probably
knocked something off the desk, maybe its a phone but I can't find it,
its not a big issue someone else can bother with it later but even so.



On 25/05/2021 6:24 am, Jackie wrote:
> When I did adaptive technology in a previous life, I always said
> blindies & keyboards don't mix well. Truthfully, sighted folks &
> keyboards don't mix well either.
>
> On 5/24/21, Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@...> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thank you so much for the leads.
>> Obviously is  the keyboard, because when I attached another one to my
>> HP laptop all is fine.
>> Yesterday I had a teacup next to my laptop with very little liquid at
>> the bottom and having forgotten it was there I knocked it and the
>> liquid went to the bottom of my laptop. I dried both the bottom of the
>> laptop and the desk immediately  but obviously some got inside the
>> keyboard.
>> Many keys did not work properly at the beginning, but later they began
>> acting right. Now only the arrows do not work right, but I imagine
>> after a while they'll start working, too when all is dry.
>>
>>
>> On 5/24/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>>> What keyboard is it.
>>>
>>> Could be drivers, could be windows could be anything.
>>>
>>> Firstly clean the board.
>>>
>>> I know some boards can get a bit sticky at times.
>>>
>>> I ended up using a vacuum with a small attachment and doing a gentle
>>> suck over the board.
>>>
>>> I also turned it up side down and gave it a really good shake over a
>>> desktop and vacuumming that and the issues I have had are a lot less.
>>>
>>> As I have a skin condition where skin tends to shed a lot my board does
>>> need regular clearing of extras.
>>>
>>> The next thing I'd check if wired is the condition of the wire, I have
>>> had broken wires before.
>>>
>>> Also I'd check the condition of the board, while mechanicals may not
>>> have a high failure rate membranes could simply be warn out.
>>>
>>> If this is wireless, then if it doesn't work, swapping out the power
>>> cells wouldn't go a miss.
>>>
>>> Next depending what it is, doing a factory reset on it followed by a
>>> firmware refresh wouldn't go a miss at all if you have that capability.
>>>
>>> On the computer side, I'd then check and update the latest drivers from
>>> the manufacturer site.
>>>
>>> Both for the keyboard and if its on usb the usb controlers though that
>>> may need latest latest chhipset drivers though devices will generally
>>> work without those.
>>>
>>> I can't speak for logitech but setpoint and logitech options have not
>>> had updates in a while now.
>>>
>>> For microsoft their mouse keyboard centre doesn't update much but there
>>> are updates from time to time.
>>>
>>> Windows update may have a generic update in optionals or simply there is
>>> a third party update for it.
>>>
>>> Usually generic boards don't need software, firmware or drivers though.
>>>
>>> Next, I'd run any bios and hardware firmware updates on your system in
>>> case its an input issue, note you may allready have the latest updates
>>> generally.
>>>
>>> Next, I'd go through the standard sfc and dism checks followed by an
>>> entire reformat though if you need to do the last 3 steps then its
>>> probably worse than that.
>>>
>>> Run a virus scan to but again you would have more issues than a board.
>>>
>>> Most likely its the keyboard.
>>>
>>> Start from the top and move down and down and down the list till the
>>> reformat part.
>>>
>>> As a test, try a different board and try that board on anothr system.
>>>
>>> If it fails then skip to the end of this list and replace the board.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25/05/2021 4:05 am, Nevzat Adil wrote:
>>>> Hi Group,
>>>>
>>>> My keyboard has not been acting normal since yesterday.
>>>> I cannot use the arrow keys. Only the left arrow key moves.
>>>> At first the NVDA key did not work but later misteriously started to
>>>> work. I rebooted a few times hoping itcorrect itself I am having a
>>>> hard time writing this message.
>>>> Any ideas why this is happening and how to correct this?
>>>> .
>>>>    will corect
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Nevzat Adil
>> Library of Congress Certified
>> Literary Braille Proofreader
>> C: 512 502 4403
>> e-mail: nevzatadil@...
>> Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>





Re: MalwareBytes Premium Reporting Possible False Positive With a File in the Acapela Colibri Voice Bundle

David Goldfield
 

Shaun, You might want to try VirusTotal which uses a variety of malware detection engines to see if the file or URL has been flagged.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 4:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] MalwareBytes Premium Reporting Possible False Positive With a File in the Acapela Colibri Voice Bundle

 

Tell that to microsoft.

Microsoft has flagged so many things as a virus that I simply exclude a bunch of things by default.

On 24/05/2021 5:18 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:

The other point to make is that if you simply whitelist any program which gets a false positive, it also adds the possibility, however remote, of that program getting a real virus which goes unnoticed because you've told your AV to ignore it.

 

AV programs usually don't flag any given genuine program very often, and as Brian noted, they can usually rectify it within a few days.  I can think of maybe three or four times in the last six years where I've been notified that an AV program (usually different ones) have falsely flagged a build of NVDA, including alpha builds - and given most users run ONE AV program, that's one issue in six years IF you happened to use one of those specific programs and the particular NVDA build flagged.  I don't know how many AV programs there are, but for reference, VirusTotal tests against 88: https://www.virustotal.com/gui/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 2:48 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:22 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

its been abandond

-
Still doesn't matter, as the scanner makers are able to do their own analysis to determine whether the positive is real or false.  If they determine it's false, the definitions are updated not to flag that specific piece of software for anyone again.

I can't tell anyone that they must report  suspected false positives to the various scanner makers, but you're doing yourself a favor and a kindness for many, many others if you do this and they respond by making a change to stop the flagging.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

 

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


locked Re: History with Jarte and NVDA

David Goldfield
 

I agree that Jarte is quite a nimble word processor and works well with NVDA. While every feature in Libreoffice may not be as accessible as we might prefer it is extremely powerful and works well enough to function with NVDA. It has a regular release cadence from what appears to be a vibrant and passionate team.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] History with Jarte and NVDA

 

What do you want the program to do that it doesn’t now?  And what benefit is there for support?

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 9:39 AM

Subject: [nvda] History with Jarte and NVDA

 

Hello NVDA Group,

In 2007, I became aware of Jarte and NVDA when getting a refurbished
computer from a Texas-based organization called Computers for the
Blind. For those unfamiliar, Jarte was said to mimic the functions of
WordPad and go further. It was paired with NVDA on computers provided
by this organization.
Since 2019, Jarte has not released new updates nor supported its
latest updates. Is there a program that is now promoted to be as user
friendly for the vision impaired as Jarte was bestowed with such
acolades?

I assume NVDA and Jarte were favored by the above organization as each
offered a free version. Thanks in advance.

--
David C. Russell, Author




Re: Keyboard not acting normal

 

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 06:50 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Sightlings do it to.
-
You have no idea how often, either!

One thing those of us who are old-timey techs used to suggest, and still do, for external keyboards is either running them through a rinse-only cycle in the dishwasher or spray it down as promptly as possible with a sink sprayer or handheld shower.

Wetness is not really a problem, in most cases, provided you don't try to reconnect the device while it is still wet.  Make sure it's absolutely dry before you try it out again, which generally means at least 24-48 hours drying, preferably in a warm place with good air circulation.   Most things that get spilled into a keyboard are very easy to wash away provided they have not been allowed to dry/congeal before you do so.  But once sugars, fats, etc., thicken up or dry in the tiny cracks and crevices of the keys and contacts themselves, it's almost certain you'll never get it all cleaned out sufficiently.

When people say, "But you can't do that!!," my answer is, "What do you have to lose?"  If you don't try it, you can be virtually certain that your keyboard will be toast.  And heaven forbid it's a substantial fluid spill in to a laptop.  That is generally a death sentence.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Keyboard not acting normal

 

No problem.

On the subject with your board if its an internal board, if you are under warrenty then I'd get it fixed.


If not, and you don't absolutely need to use the board I'd just get a couple cheap boards and run it.

If you want flexability the mk 200-400 series wireless logitech or any ms board will do or genius to be honest.

If you need to replace a board then your system will be away for a while getting fixed, the place will charge the cost of the hardware, and the time and other things.

I had this with anothher older laptop, 300 bucks later and 3 weeks I got it back.

The board cost me about 50 bucks, the repairs and extra mark up cost the rest.

Be happy nothing else was dammaged though.

If you know someone that can fix it for you, you can do as my uncle did with a system he has had for the last few years and gone to ebay/ whatever other oction site you use and got a laptop that had been involved in an accident and was being sold off in bits.

It then may only cost the part and delivery, but you will need someone to fit it of course.

On 25/05/2021 7:12 am, Nevzat Adil wrote:
It was after someone mentioned spillage that it occurred to me it
could be the culprit.
Sorry for the inconvenience.


On 5/24/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Nevzat,

The fact that you had a spill was your most likely answer to begin with.

This was a vital piece of diagnostic information that should not have been
omitted.  All the other speculation likely would not have occurred had this
been mentioned.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.
The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel






Re: Is Oracle Data Management screen-reader accessible?

 

Well I wouldn't know,  but oracle stuff does use java.

So in theory if access bridge is active in windows and I think nvda does this anyway, it should work.

There are 2 types, java runtime which is 8. something then there is java 10 up.

The software may have java included with it so it may in fact work.

On the other side, assuming this friend is not doing any administrating of the thing and maybe doesn't have to interact with the software itself then it may be a web based application so it may just run like that.


Java apps are generally accessible as long as they don't use some odd library or something.

Java is used in almost everything so it would be a question of interface.

As for the software itself, not sure but even if its totally inaccessible there is probably a frontend that is.

Thats either via ms access, or the web, or some frontend access app that you can use etc.

Of course if she needs physical access to the software itself its always a bit harder.

But I have never used oracle database software and probably won't ever do so.

But chances are if its got shortcut keys then as long as the screens read and its got a menu or ribbon it can be used.

Even if that doesn't happen if the dialogs work then you could probably access it with keyboard shortcuts.

Even if thats still a no go if this job doesn't require direct interaction with either another database or a frontend, maybe it will accept other databases or file types so maybe excell.


Excell is still a dog I tried it it is however accessible to a point.

Its more the understanding on how to use it and I never ever got the hang of it though this could have been due to poor instruction rather than anything else.




On 25/05/2021 7:01 am, Arlene wrote:

Here is the question a friend asked about a job she’s applying for. Here’s the e-mail with the correct spelling.

Hello, all.

I’m seeking work with t tech as a customer service representative. They use oracle data management software. Is this accessible with either jaws or N V D a? Thanks so much and have a great day. This person called Freedom Scientific and they told her to call the Oracle company. I don’t think they have an idea what Jaws or any screen reader is. Would NVDA work with it?

 

Sent from

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Keyboard not acting normal

 

Hi jacky.

Yeah, I agree, drinking and eating near the board, I never do it.

You can knock things over so easily.

Sightlings do it to.

I still don't know how some of my family can read the screen of their tablet, work on their computer, drink coffee and eat musly all while talking on the phone to someone down the other end of the house I certainly can't see my self doing it.

I have tried to do it and made a mess of myself so no.

I have to many things about on my system to actually think about eating near it.

Now eating near your smart device with it a certain distance away maybe but the board, yeah its a problem.

While flatting in fact thhe system had a lot of issues, people used cd drives as cup hholders, there was food inside of the computer and so I can't be that bad.


However for a while my brother ate dinner and all meals ner the computer and I never had the issue of him spilling food though he left his rubbish for weeks on end but yeah, I'd never do it.

Just today I was resetting the entire network and I have probably knocked something off the desk, maybe its a phone but I can't find it, its not a big issue someone else can bother with it later but even so.

On 25/05/2021 6:24 am, Jackie wrote:
When I did adaptive technology in a previous life, I always said
blindies & keyboards don't mix well. Truthfully, sighted folks &
keyboards don't mix well either.

On 5/24/21, Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Thank you so much for the leads.
Obviously is the keyboard, because when I attached another one to my
HP laptop all is fine.
Yesterday I had a teacup next to my laptop with very little liquid at
the bottom and having forgotten it was there I knocked it and the
liquid went to the bottom of my laptop. I dried both the bottom of the
laptop and the desk immediately but obviously some got inside the
keyboard.
Many keys did not work properly at the beginning, but later they began
acting right. Now only the arrows do not work right, but I imagine
after a while they'll start working, too when all is dry.


On 5/24/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
What keyboard is it.

Could be drivers, could be windows could be anything.

Firstly clean the board.

I know some boards can get a bit sticky at times.

I ended up using a vacuum with a small attachment and doing a gentle
suck over the board.

I also turned it up side down and gave it a really good shake over a
desktop and vacuumming that and the issues I have had are a lot less.

As I have a skin condition where skin tends to shed a lot my board does
need regular clearing of extras.

The next thing I'd check if wired is the condition of the wire, I have
had broken wires before.

Also I'd check the condition of the board, while mechanicals may not
have a high failure rate membranes could simply be warn out.

If this is wireless, then if it doesn't work, swapping out the power
cells wouldn't go a miss.

Next depending what it is, doing a factory reset on it followed by a
firmware refresh wouldn't go a miss at all if you have that capability.

On the computer side, I'd then check and update the latest drivers from
the manufacturer site.

Both for the keyboard and if its on usb the usb controlers though that
may need latest latest chhipset drivers though devices will generally
work without those.

I can't speak for logitech but setpoint and logitech options have not
had updates in a while now.

For microsoft their mouse keyboard centre doesn't update much but there
are updates from time to time.

Windows update may have a generic update in optionals or simply there is
a third party update for it.

Usually generic boards don't need software, firmware or drivers though.

Next, I'd run any bios and hardware firmware updates on your system in
case its an input issue, note you may allready have the latest updates
generally.

Next, I'd go through the standard sfc and dism checks followed by an
entire reformat though if you need to do the last 3 steps then its
probably worse than that.

Run a virus scan to but again you would have more issues than a board.

Most likely its the keyboard.

Start from the top and move down and down and down the list till the
reformat part.

As a test, try a different board and try that board on anothr system.

If it fails then skip to the end of this list and replace the board.



On 25/05/2021 4:05 am, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Hi Group,

My keyboard has not been acting normal since yesterday.
I cannot use the arrow keys. Only the left arrow key moves.
At first the NVDA key did not work but later misteriously started to
work. I rebooted a few times hoping itcorrect itself I am having a
hard time writing this message.
Any ideas why this is happening and how to correct this?
.
will corect



--
Nevzat Adil
Library of Congress Certified
Literary Braille Proofreader
C: 512 502 4403
e-mail: nevzatadil@gmail.com
Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader






Re: NVDA Satisfaction Survey 2021

Quentin Christensen
 

Yes that's basically it - the third question,  “Is the use primarily for Accessibility testing?” , is essentially meant to distinguish those who use NVDA primarily as end-users from those who probably aren't end-users and use NVDA primarily for accessibility testing.  Or in other words, so we can find out how highly end users rate NVDA as being useful in meeting their needs, and how highly it gets rated by non-end user developers and testers in meeting how they use it.

Of course there will be a fair bit of overlap and quite a large proportion of end users will say that even just relying on NVDA means you spend an amount of time doing the testing and documenting of issues which developers may not have done.  I guess the intent then is in that word "primarily" - if you are an end-user, then yes we know you likely provide feedback to us and others to help make products better - and we very much appreciate that, but your experience will still be different to those who are sighted web developers and only use NVDA occasionally to test changes to a site for instance.

So, that question particularly may not be perfect, but we went for simplicity originally (and consistency this year in keeping the same wording).  If you're unsure, go with your gut instinct :)

Quentin.

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 3:23 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:57 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
“Is the use primarily for Accessibility testing?” Does an answer “yes” mean that the person does not use NVDA for purposes of accessing everything on the computer but only while testing the accessibility of apps?
-
Th at's how I've always taken that question.

I think it's meant to differentiate feedback from people like myself, who use NVDA for accessibility testing purposes, but who do not depend on it in any way or use it as our primary, or even secondary, method of gaining access to "all things on the PC."

I'll be curious to see if my interpretation, and it looks like yours as well, is congruent with what the people who posed the question were trying to get at.

My feedback, though not frequent nor in the depth that some give, cannot possibly be as comprehensive as what might come from someone using a screen reader as "a daily driver" could likely provide.  You all can and will hit certain things I'm highly unlikely to at random.
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NVDA 2021.1 and Joseph Lee's add-ons: release in progress

 

Hi all,

I’m releasing add-ons compatible with NVDA 2021.1 – it may take a while before they show up on community add-ons website and Add-on Updater (see a special note on Add-on Updater 21.05.1 on how that ad-on is working with NVDA 2021.1). Most add-on releases will also include localization updates.

 

Besides Add-on Updater, the following add-ons are being updated:

  • Control Usage Assistant
  • Enhanced Touch Gestures
  • GoldWave
  • Resource Monitor
  • StationPlaylist
  • Windows 10 App Essentials

 

IMPORTANT NOTES:

  • I’m ending maintenance of most add-ons by September 2021, by which time I’ll be focusing on graduate school. If you are browsing add-on source code repositories, you’ll see a notice from me regarding this.
  • Add-on Updater: as I noted in a previous message, you MUST apply 21.05.1 manually until further notice.
  • GoldWave: version 21.06 will be the final version to be maintained by me, and I’m looking for people who will maintain this add-on from August 2021.
  • Control Usage Assistant, Enhanced Touch Gestures, StationPlaylist: version 21.06 will be the penultimate (second to last) version from me, with the final release scheduled for summer 2021 (southern winter). Control Usage Assistan and Enhanced Touch Gestures contain localization updates, and StationPlaylist includes last minute compatibility changes.
  • StationPlaylist: version 20.09.x (LTS20) maintenance is over and 20.09.x is not compatible with NVDA 2021.1.
  • Resource Monitor: I expect to release t least two more releases after 21.06, one scheduled shortly after the next Windows Server release is finalized later this year.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: version 21.06 is the last release to support Windows 10 Version 2004 (May 2020 Updatebuild 19041), with a ersion scheduled for August requiring Version 20H2 or later. If you are using development snapshots of this add-on, you’ll notice that it will work with NVDA 2021.1, and I’m refactoring modern keyboard support.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Is Oracle Data Management screen-reader accessible?

Arlene
 

Thanks, I never heard of this piece of softwhere.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: May 24, 2021 1:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is Oracle Data Management screen-reader accessible?

 

Arlene,

I've updated the topic.  Don't bury the lede, as they say!

I don't know whether this specific piece of software is accessible with NVDA, JAWS, or Narrator.  Someone else almost certainly will.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 

 


Re: Is Oracle Data Management screen-reader accessible?

 

Arlene,

I've updated the topic.  Don't bury the lede, as they say!

I don't know whether this specific piece of software is accessible with NVDA, JAWS, or Narrator.  Someone else almost certainly will.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Keyboard not acting normal

 

It was after someone mentioned spillage that it occurred to me it
could be the culprit.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

On 5/24/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Nevzat,

The fact that you had a spill was your most likely answer to begin with.

This was a vital piece of diagnostic information that should not have been
omitted.  All the other speculation likely would not have occurred had this
been mentioned.

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.
The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression,
which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the
clearest indicator of who you are.

~ Brian Vogel





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Nevzat Adil
Library of Congress Certified
Literary Braille Proofreader
C: 512 502 4403
e-mail: nevzatadil@gmail.com
Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader


Is Oracle Data Management screen-reader accessible?

Arlene
 

Here is the question a friend asked about a job she’s applying for. Here’s the e-mail with the correct spelling.

Hello, all.

I’m seeking work with t tech as a customer service representative. They use oracle data management software. Is this accessible with either jaws or N V D a? Thanks so much and have a great day. This person called Freedom Scientific and they told her to call the Oracle company. I don’t think they have an idea what Jaws or any screen reader is. Would NVDA work with it?

 

Sent from

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Keyboard not acting normal

 

Nevzat,

         The fact that you had a spill was your most likely answer to begin with.
     
          This was a vital piece of diagnostic information that should not have been omitted.  All the other speculation likely would not have occurred had this been mentioned.

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Keyboard not acting normal

 

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 02:06 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Now only the arrows do not work right, but I imagine
after a while they'll start working, too when all is dry.
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If it was plain tea you do have some hope.  If it was tea with milk and/or sugar, don't hold your breath.

Anything other than a water spill is generally "certain death" for a laptop keyboard.  And I don't say that to be "Debbie Downer" but because of long experience.  You may end up having to use an external keyboard and/or getting the keyboard replaced.

I hope you luck out.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Keyboard not acting normal

Jackie
 

When I did adaptive technology in a previous life, I always said
blindies & keyboards don't mix well. Truthfully, sighted folks &
keyboards don't mix well either.

On 5/24/21, Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Thank you so much for the leads.
Obviously is the keyboard, because when I attached another one to my
HP laptop all is fine.
Yesterday I had a teacup next to my laptop with very little liquid at
the bottom and having forgotten it was there I knocked it and the
liquid went to the bottom of my laptop. I dried both the bottom of the
laptop and the desk immediately but obviously some got inside the
keyboard.
Many keys did not work properly at the beginning, but later they began
acting right. Now only the arrows do not work right, but I imagine
after a while they'll start working, too when all is dry.


On 5/24/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
What keyboard is it.

Could be drivers, could be windows could be anything.

Firstly clean the board.

I know some boards can get a bit sticky at times.

I ended up using a vacuum with a small attachment and doing a gentle
suck over the board.

I also turned it up side down and gave it a really good shake over a
desktop and vacuumming that and the issues I have had are a lot less.

As I have a skin condition where skin tends to shed a lot my board does
need regular clearing of extras.

The next thing I'd check if wired is the condition of the wire, I have
had broken wires before.

Also I'd check the condition of the board, while mechanicals may not
have a high failure rate membranes could simply be warn out.

If this is wireless, then if it doesn't work, swapping out the power
cells wouldn't go a miss.

Next depending what it is, doing a factory reset on it followed by a
firmware refresh wouldn't go a miss at all if you have that capability.

On the computer side, I'd then check and update the latest drivers from
the manufacturer site.

Both for the keyboard and if its on usb the usb controlers though that
may need latest latest chhipset drivers though devices will generally
work without those.

I can't speak for logitech but setpoint and logitech options have not
had updates in a while now.

For microsoft their mouse keyboard centre doesn't update much but there
are updates from time to time.

Windows update may have a generic update in optionals or simply there is
a third party update for it.

Usually generic boards don't need software, firmware or drivers though.

Next, I'd run any bios and hardware firmware updates on your system in
case its an input issue, note you may allready have the latest updates
generally.

Next, I'd go through the standard sfc and dism checks followed by an
entire reformat though if you need to do the last 3 steps then its
probably worse than that.

Run a virus scan to but again you would have more issues than a board.

Most likely its the keyboard.

Start from the top and move down and down and down the list till the
reformat part.

As a test, try a different board and try that board on anothr system.

If it fails then skip to the end of this list and replace the board.



On 25/05/2021 4:05 am, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Hi Group,

My keyboard has not been acting normal since yesterday.
I cannot use the arrow keys. Only the left arrow key moves.
At first the NVDA key did not work but later misteriously started to
work. I rebooted a few times hoping itcorrect itself I am having a
hard time writing this message.
Any ideas why this is happening and how to correct this?
.
will corect





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C: 512 502 4403
e-mail: nevzatadil@gmail.com
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