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Re: Selecting sentences with NVDA

Tony Malykh
 

Hi, there is actually a way.

Navigate to the sentence you want to select with Alt+Down/Up. The cursor at this moment is actually at the beginning of the sentence. So press NVDA+F9 to mark the start of selection. Then press Alt+Down to go to the next sentence. Press NVDA+F10 twice quickly. Voila. The sentence will end up in your clipboard. It will actually include the first letter of the following sentence, but I would call it a quirk of NVDA+F9 and NVDA+F10 commands. If it bothers you, just press the left button once right before the last step.

HTH

--Tony


On 4/8/2019 10:00 PM, Sociohack AC wrote:
Is there a way to select sentences while navigating sentence by sentence with the sentence nav add-on?
While I'm reading and reviewing complex documents I need to navigate sentence by sentence to properly understand it. Sometimes for revisions I'm also required to select particular sentences. Right now, I use the typical command of shift+ctrl+right arrow or shift+down arrow to do so. Is there a more effficient way out there?

All inputs are welcome
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Making pop-up notifications go away

Sile
 

Thank you for the attached, this is very helpful. I posted this to this list, because I thought it was an NVDA key that I could use to make the notification go away. I’m sorry I’m not an expert on knowing which things you have to do through windows keyboard commands and which things you have to do through NVDA hot keys. Period.


On Apr 10, 2019, at 12:01 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Suspending notifications has been built into Windows 10, if not from day one, for a long time now.

If the goal is to suspend them during a PowerPoint presentation (or anything you're duplicating to another screen [often a projector]) the first method mentioned is best.  If you just want to shut up notifications for some set duration the Quiet Time option is preferable.

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-notifications-while-presenting-windows-10

(Be aware that if you are using a ad blocker the page above will have a pop-up appear over it, which you can (and will have to dismiss) using the controls on it to either continue with your adblocker active or whitelist the windowscentral site).

This is also a topic that would have been best suited to the Chat Subgroup, since it's definitely not about NVDA.  But the proverbial hammer is not yet being brought down.  I'm hoping that folks will start asking themselves the question, , “Is what I’m about to ask related to using NVDA directly to accomplish something, or to control NVDA itself?,” independently and choose posting venue according to whether the answer to same is, Yes (main group), or "No" (chat subgroup).
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 


say all isn't working

Phillip Gross
 

First off first post to the group so hello.  

 

I am on a Surface Book laptop and my Say all isn’t working.  For example if I am in Firefox and hit say all it will read me a paragraph or so or a page or 2 if I am in Kindle then it stops.  When I hit the say all command again it starts again from where it started previously and reads the same amount.

 

I have the latest version of NVDA, my keyboard is set to laptop, and the system has been restarted multiple times.  I have even tried each of the different review modes with 0 success.  What am I missing?

 

Thank you in advance for your help.


Re: Reaper Tutorial

Adel Spence
 

so do I...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nasir Mehmood" <smart.nasir46@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 7:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] reaper totorial


hy friends i am nasir mehmood need me reaper totorial in text and
audio both please help me because i want to learn


Reaper Tutorial

Nasir Mehmood <smart.nasir46@...>
 

hy friends i am nasir mehmood need me reaper totorial in text and
audio both please help me because i want to learn


Re: Code Factory Blues

Gene
 

On thinking about your message further, it can be interpreted two ways.  I had thought you were saying you hadn't used your computer for a time, such as a month and then the voice was changed.  Code Factory eloquence may not automatically let you revert.  It may tell you the program is unregistered and you have to change the voice without speech.  You could run another screen-reader and do so using that screen-reader to read what you are doing in NVDA.  But evidently your message means that when you leave the computer running for awhile, such as half an hour or an hour, then return to it, the voice has changed.  I don't know why that is.  Others may have suggestions.  Does that happen after you have saved Eloquence as the voice you want to use or have you changed to it and then not saved it as a permanent setting with control NVDA key c?
 
Maybe your computer does something to save power and then when you come back, it doesn't run Eloquence again when you cause the computer to resume normal operation..
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Blues

If the product is not registered, you will, I believe, automatically revert to another synthesizer.  I don't know if it is the default or the one you used last before Eloquence.  But since I don't use Code Factory Eloquence, I'm not sure I'm right and others may comment.  But I don't recall ever hearing of a registered Code Factory Eloquence changing anything while it is still registered.  If you find out from Code Factory how often you need to run the voice for it to stay registered, you can run your computer enough to keep Eloquence registered. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Blues

This is the third time after I haven't used NVDA for a while that the
voice changed since the last time I used NVDA and no one else uses my
computer.

I should have said that when I leave the computer using the JAWS read
current line command helps remind me whether I left it with JAWS or NVDA
running.  Maybe on some machines the command reads the same part of the
window, but it is different on my machine and helps me differentiate.

NVDA enabled me to place an order this morning and it is not the first
time.  maybe this time trying to learn it will do the trick.  I think I
saw a recent post under a different thread from another list member
saying they had some NVDA tutorials on their web site.  I'm off to try
to find the post  to supplement the paid NVDA training guide I bought
and the free materials I have.

Margaret

On 4/9/2019 7:01 PM, Gene wrote:
> The check for proper licensing doesn't change the voice.  I haven't
> heard that complaint before.
> I may be able to discuss other voices in a later message. I don't know
> what you mean about using the JAWS read current line command.  Aren't
> you using NVDA when you are checking the synthesizer?
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Margaret Thomas <mailto:iluvtoread@...>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 09, 2019 4:34 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Code Factory Blues
>
> Gene and All:
>
> I want to change the voice since the Code Factory Eloquence I remember
> is close to the JAWS Eloquence which is both good and bad.  The good
> part is that it is familiar and the bad is that I'm still at the point
> with NVDA where I have to switch back to JAWS to get something done
> quickly or the differences and having to concentrate instead of muscle
> memory get to me and I need to change.  If I leave the computer, I have
> to do the JAWS read current line to tell which synth I was using.
>
> Also, I understand that by clicking on I agree to the Code Factory
> license agreement, I gave them the right to do their monthly probe or
> however often they issue it.  I wish they could do it without changing
> my chosen voice.  Yes, registering is free, but my memory is that it is
> not easy and involves having to dig up codes to plunk down in the
> appropriate places.
>
> If I load NVDA and do NVDA key plus Control-S, I land on Sapi 5 with
> a male voice.  My memory is that I thought the Microsoft voice I had was
> female and Sapi 4 which was more understandable for me than eSpeak.
> Whatever voice I'm on now is also better than eSpeak.
>
> I thought I remembered that there was somewhere in the NVDA menu where
> one can listen to the installed voices, but I haven't found it yet.
>
> I got NVDA updated to the current version and I'm running 64 bit
> Windows 7 Home.
>
> I apologize to the list since this is not a good time to try to learn
> something new, but every time I've run into a bad patch and have had to
> stop and think I'll resume at a better time, there hasn't been a better
> one and I've reached the conclusion there isn't going to be.
>
> Thanks to everyone for their patience.
>
> Margaret
> On 4/5/2019 2:00 PM, Gene wrote:
>  > First, why do you want to find another voice if all you need to do is
>  > reregister the Code Factory Voice, especially if you want Eloquence?  As
>  > far as I know, registration is free.  I believe, though you can check,
>  > that if you run NVDA once a month with the voice, you will remain
>  > registered.  So just running it for a moment with the Eloquence voice
>  > should be all you need to do.
>  > As far as changing to the Microsoft voice on your computer is concerned,
>  > are you using the SAPI version of Eloquence or the Add-on?  It may
>  > affect how you run the Microsoft voice.  I'm not sure I can tell you
>  > just how to switch but answering my question may make it easier for you
>  > to find out.
>  > Gene
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > *From:* Margaret Thomas <mailto:iluvtoread@...>
>  > *Sent:* Friday, April 05, 2019 11:26 AM
>  > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>  > *Subject:* [nvda] Code Factory Blues
>  >
>  > Hi, All:
>  >
>  > I'm once again trying to learn NVDA after many years as a JAWS user
>  > running 64 bit Windows 7 Home.
>  >
>  > One of my problems is that my attempts keep being interrupted by one
>  > thing or another and I have to start virtually all over from scratch.  I
>  > purchased a couple of Code Factory voices  with one being an Eloquence
>  > that sounds reasonably like the Eloquence with JAWS that I'm used to.
>  > Apparently, I upset Code Factory by not loading NVDA frequently enough
>  > for them since the voice switched to something else from Eloquence that
>  > it had been on the last time I used NVDA and I apparently have to
>  > re-register the Code Factory voice again.  This will be the third time
>  > and I'll be in search of another synthesizer since I have a problem
>  > understanding eSpeak or whatever the current one is.  Could someone
>  > please remind me how to find out what the current one is?  During one of
>  > my previous attempts, I found that the SAPI voice for Win 7 was easier
>  > to understand than eSpeak, but can't remember how to switch.  Could some
>  > kind person please provide instructions?
>  >
>  > I'll check out voices again when I can get NVDA more understandable, but
>  > does anyone know if there has been anything new other than from Code
>  > Factory in the last several months that works with Win 7?
>  >
>  > I seem to be running NVDA 2018.1.1.
>  >
>  > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>  >
>  > Margaret
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>
>



Re: Code Factory Blues

Gene
 

If the product is not registered, you will, I believe, automatically revert to another synthesizer.  I don't know if it is the default or the one you used last before Eloquence.  But since I don't use Code Factory Eloquence, I'm not sure I'm right and others may comment.  But I don't recall ever hearing of a registered Code Factory Eloquence changing anything while it is still registered.  If you find out from Code Factory how often you need to run the voice for it to stay registered, you can run your computer enough to keep Eloquence registered. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Blues

This is the third time after I haven't used NVDA for a while that the
voice changed since the last time I used NVDA and no one else uses my
computer.

I should have said that when I leave the computer using the JAWS read
current line command helps remind me whether I left it with JAWS or NVDA
running.  Maybe on some machines the command reads the same part of the
window, but it is different on my machine and helps me differentiate.

NVDA enabled me to place an order this morning and it is not the first
time.  maybe this time trying to learn it will do the trick.  I think I
saw a recent post under a different thread from another list member
saying they had some NVDA tutorials on their web site.  I'm off to try
to find the post  to supplement the paid NVDA training guide I bought
and the free materials I have.

Margaret

On 4/9/2019 7:01 PM, Gene wrote:
> The check for proper licensing doesn't change the voice.  I haven't
> heard that complaint before.
> I may be able to discuss other voices in a later message. I don't know
> what you mean about using the JAWS read current line command.  Aren't
> you using NVDA when you are checking the synthesizer?
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Margaret Thomas <mailto:iluvtoread@...>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 09, 2019 4:34 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Code Factory Blues
>
> Gene and All:
>
> I want to change the voice since the Code Factory Eloquence I remember
> is close to the JAWS Eloquence which is both good and bad.  The good
> part is that it is familiar and the bad is that I'm still at the point
> with NVDA where I have to switch back to JAWS to get something done
> quickly or the differences and having to concentrate instead of muscle
> memory get to me and I need to change.  If I leave the computer, I have
> to do the JAWS read current line to tell which synth I was using.
>
> Also, I understand that by clicking on I agree to the Code Factory
> license agreement, I gave them the right to do their monthly probe or
> however often they issue it.  I wish they could do it without changing
> my chosen voice.  Yes, registering is free, but my memory is that it is
> not easy and involves having to dig up codes to plunk down in the
> appropriate places.
>
> If I load NVDA and do NVDA key plus Control-S, I land on Sapi 5 with
> a male voice.  My memory is that I thought the Microsoft voice I had was
> female and Sapi 4 which was more understandable for me than eSpeak.
> Whatever voice I'm on now is also better than eSpeak.
>
> I thought I remembered that there was somewhere in the NVDA menu where
> one can listen to the installed voices, but I haven't found it yet.
>
> I got NVDA updated to the current version and I'm running 64 bit
> Windows 7 Home.
>
> I apologize to the list since this is not a good time to try to learn
> something new, but every time I've run into a bad patch and have had to
> stop and think I'll resume at a better time, there hasn't been a better
> one and I've reached the conclusion there isn't going to be.
>
> Thanks to everyone for their patience.
>
> Margaret
> On 4/5/2019 2:00 PM, Gene wrote:
>  > First, why do you want to find another voice if all you need to do is
>  > reregister the Code Factory Voice, especially if you want Eloquence?  As
>  > far as I know, registration is free.  I believe, though you can check,
>  > that if you run NVDA once a month with the voice, you will remain
>  > registered.  So just running it for a moment with the Eloquence voice
>  > should be all you need to do.
>  > As far as changing to the Microsoft voice on your computer is concerned,
>  > are you using the SAPI version of Eloquence or the Add-on?  It may
>  > affect how you run the Microsoft voice.  I'm not sure I can tell you
>  > just how to switch but answering my question may make it easier for you
>  > to find out.
>  > Gene
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > *From:* Margaret Thomas <mailto:iluvtoread@...>
>  > *Sent:* Friday, April 05, 2019 11:26 AM
>  > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>  > *Subject:* [nvda] Code Factory Blues
>  >
>  > Hi, All:
>  >
>  > I'm once again trying to learn NVDA after many years as a JAWS user
>  > running 64 bit Windows 7 Home.
>  >
>  > One of my problems is that my attempts keep being interrupted by one
>  > thing or another and I have to start virtually all over from scratch.  I
>  > purchased a couple of Code Factory voices  with one being an Eloquence
>  > that sounds reasonably like the Eloquence with JAWS that I'm used to.
>  > Apparently, I upset Code Factory by not loading NVDA frequently enough
>  > for them since the voice switched to something else from Eloquence that
>  > it had been on the last time I used NVDA and I apparently have to
>  > re-register the Code Factory voice again.  This will be the third time
>  > and I'll be in search of another synthesizer since I have a problem
>  > understanding eSpeak or whatever the current one is.  Could someone
>  > please remind me how to find out what the current one is?  During one of
>  > my previous attempts, I found that the SAPI voice for Win 7 was easier
>  > to understand than eSpeak, but can't remember how to switch.  Could some
>  > kind person please provide instructions?
>  >
>  > I'll check out voices again when I can get NVDA more understandable, but
>  > does anyone know if there has been anything new other than from Code
>  > Factory in the last several months that works with Win 7?
>  >
>  > I seem to be running NVDA 2018.1.1.
>  >
>  > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>  >
>  > Margaret
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>
>



Re: Silent Install

 

nvda --install-silent
By the way it's listed in the userguide :)

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Em 10/04/2019 18:10, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io disse:

Ok,   missed it can you give the exact command might be worth trying thanks.

On 10/04/2019 08:37, Luke Thomson via Groups.I wrote:
It means that the installer should run silently in the background - so no windows popping up or any user interaction with the installer. It's very useful when deploying applications to managed machines as it prevents the user from interacting with the installation and potentially causing issues.










Re: Code Factory Blues

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Sounds like you might not be saving your settings  in NVDA.


There is a option under general settings in nvda if checked will save your settings each time you close nvda it is called Save configuration on exit


If you want to save them at any time use the nvda key +ctrl key + the letter C you should then hear configuration saved.


I usually do the shortcut way as i might be testing out say a alpha snapshot or a beta and so i know the difference  between them the shortcut to start the alpha version i will have say one core voices on that one and E speak etc on the other.

But the shortcuts to start both portable version are different and so are the voices i use on them.


If you are talking about the website of mine the tutorials etc are for desk top users as that is what i use most. Both in written and audio and the nvda stuff is sort of a website inside of a website you can either book mark the main page which is Accessibilitycentral.et

or if you book mark one of the nvda tutorials page it will have links to other nvda tutorials etc and the home key will take you to the main page of the website where there is other blindness related material.


you can also see off the main page under recently updated it is a heading what material has been going up.


By the way there are 2 Genes on the list I am the one from new zealand so sign off as Gene nz


hope it helps.


Gene nz




On 11/04/2019 10:15 AM, Margaret Thomas wrote:
This is the third time after I haven't used NVDA for a while that the voice changed since the last time I used NVDA and no one else uses my computer.

I should have said that when I leave the computer using the JAWS read current line command helps remind me whether I left it with JAWS or NVDA running.  Maybe on some machines the command reads the same part of the window, but it is different on my machine and helps me differentiate.

NVDA enabled me to place an order this morning and it is not the first time.      maybe this time trying to learn it will do the trick.  I think I saw a recent post under a different thread from another list member saying they had some NVDA tutorials on their web site.  I'm off to try to find the post  to supplement the paid NVDA training guide I bought and the free materials I have.

Margaret

On 4/9/2019 7:01 PM, Gene wrote:
The check for proper licensing doesn't change the voice.  I haven't heard that complaint before.
I may be able to discuss other voices in a later message. I don't know what you mean about using the JAWS read current line command.  Aren't you using NVDA when you are checking the synthesizer?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Margaret Thomas <mailto:iluvtoread@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 09, 2019 4:34 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Code Factory Blues

Gene and All:

I want to change the voice since the Code Factory Eloquence I remember
is close to the JAWS Eloquence which is both good and bad.  The good
part is that it is familiar and the bad is that I'm still at the point
with NVDA where I have to switch back to JAWS to get something done
quickly or the differences and having to concentrate instead of muscle
memory get to me and I need to change.  If I leave the computer, I have
to do the JAWS read current line to tell which synth I was using.

Also, I understand that by clicking on I agree to the Code Factory
license agreement, I gave them the right to do their monthly probe or
however often they issue it.  I wish they could do it without changing
my chosen voice.  Yes, registering is free, but my memory is that it is
not easy and involves having to dig up codes to plunk down in the
appropriate places.

If I load NVDA and do NVDA key plus Control-S, I land on Sapi 5 with
a male voice.  My memory is that I thought the Microsoft voice I had was
female and Sapi 4 which was more understandable for me than eSpeak.
Whatever voice I'm on now is also better than eSpeak.

I thought I remembered that there was somewhere in the NVDA menu where
one can listen to the installed voices, but I haven't found it yet.

I got NVDA updated to the current version and I'm running 64 bit
Windows 7 Home.

I apologize to the list since this is not a good time to try to learn
something new, but every time I've run into a bad patch and have had to
stop and think I'll resume at a better time, there hasn't been a better
one and I've reached the conclusion there isn't going to be.

Thanks to everyone for their patience.

Margaret
On 4/5/2019 2:00 PM, Gene wrote:
 > First, why do you want to find another voice if all you need to do is
 > reregister the Code Factory Voice, especially if you want Eloquence?  As
 > far as I know, registration is free.  I believe, though you can check,
 > that if you run NVDA once a month with the voice, you will remain
 > registered.  So just running it for a moment with the Eloquence voice
 > should be all you need to do.
 > As far as changing to the Microsoft voice on your computer is concerned,
 > are you using the SAPI version of Eloquence or the Add-on?  It may
 > affect how you run the Microsoft voice.  I'm not sure I can tell you
 > just how to switch but answering my question may make it easier for you
 > to find out.
 > Gene
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > *From:* Margaret Thomas <mailto:iluvtoread@...>
 > *Sent:* Friday, April 05, 2019 11:26 AM
 > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
 > *Subject:* [nvda] Code Factory Blues
 >
 > Hi, All:
 >
 > I'm once again trying to learn NVDA after many years as a JAWS user
 > running 64 bit Windows 7 Home.
 >
 > One of my problems is that my attempts keep being interrupted by one
 > thing or another and I have to start virtually all over from scratch.  I
 > purchased a couple of Code Factory voices  with one being an Eloquence
 > that sounds reasonably like the Eloquence with JAWS that I'm used to.
 > Apparently, I upset Code Factory by not loading NVDA frequently enough
 > for them since the voice switched to something else from Eloquence that
 > it had been on the last time I used NVDA and I apparently have to
 > re-register the Code Factory voice again.  This will be the third time
 > and I'll be in search of another synthesizer since I have a problem
 > understanding eSpeak or whatever the current one is.  Could someone
 > please remind me how to find out what the current one is?  During one of
 > my previous attempts, I found that the SAPI voice for Win 7 was easier
 > to understand than eSpeak, but can't remember how to switch.  Could some
 > kind person please provide instructions?
 >
 > I'll check out voices again when I can get NVDA more understandable, but
 > does anyone know if there has been anything new other than from Code
 > Factory in the last several months that works with Win 7?
 >
 > I seem to be running NVDA 2018.1.1.
 >
 > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 >
 > Margaret
 >
 >
 >






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To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Code Factory Blues

Margaret Thomas <iluvtoread@...>
 

This is the third time after I haven't used NVDA for a while that the voice changed since the last time I used NVDA and no one else uses my computer.

I should have said that when I leave the computer using the JAWS read current line command helps remind me whether I left it with JAWS or NVDA running. Maybe on some machines the command reads the same part of the window, but it is different on my machine and helps me differentiate.

NVDA enabled me to place an order this morning and it is not the first time. maybe this time trying to learn it will do the trick. I think I saw a recent post under a different thread from another list member saying they had some NVDA tutorials on their web site. I'm off to try to find the post to supplement the paid NVDA training guide I bought and the free materials I have.

Margaret

On 4/9/2019 7:01 PM, Gene wrote:
The check for proper licensing doesn't change the voice.  I haven't heard that complaint before.
I may be able to discuss other voices in a later message. I don't know what you mean about using the JAWS read current line command.  Aren't you using NVDA when you are checking the synthesizer?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Margaret Thomas <mailto:iluvtoread@cox.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 09, 2019 4:34 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Code Factory Blues
Gene and All:
I want to change the voice since the Code Factory Eloquence I remember
is close to the JAWS Eloquence which is both good and bad.  The good
part is that it is familiar and the bad is that I'm still at the point
with NVDA where I have to switch back to JAWS to get something done
quickly or the differences and having to concentrate instead of muscle
memory get to me and I need to change.  If I leave the computer, I have
to do the JAWS read current line to tell which synth I was using.
Also, I understand that by clicking on I agree to the Code Factory
license agreement, I gave them the right to do their monthly probe or
however often they issue it.  I wish they could do it without changing
my chosen voice.  Yes, registering is free, but my memory is that it is
not easy and involves having to dig up codes to plunk down in the
appropriate places.
If I load NVDA and do NVDA key plus Control-S, I land on Sapi 5 with
a male voice.  My memory is that I thought the Microsoft voice I had was
female and Sapi 4 which was more understandable for me than eSpeak.
Whatever voice I'm on now is also better than eSpeak.
I thought I remembered that there was somewhere in the NVDA menu where
one can listen to the installed voices, but I haven't found it yet.
I got NVDA updated to the current version and I'm running 64 bit
Windows 7 Home.
I apologize to the list since this is not a good time to try to learn
something new, but every time I've run into a bad patch and have had to
stop and think I'll resume at a better time, there hasn't been a better
one and I've reached the conclusion there isn't going to be.
Thanks to everyone for their patience.
Margaret
On 4/5/2019 2:00 PM, Gene wrote:
> First, why do you want to find another voice if all you need to do is
> reregister the Code Factory Voice, especially if you want Eloquence?  As
> far as I know, registration is free.  I believe, though you can check,
> that if you run NVDA once a month with the voice, you will remain
> registered.  So just running it for a moment with the Eloquence voice
> should be all you need to do.
> As far as changing to the Microsoft voice on your computer is concerned,
> are you using the SAPI version of Eloquence or the Add-on?  It may
> affect how you run the Microsoft voice.  I'm not sure I can tell you
> just how to switch but answering my question may make it easier for you
> to find out.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Margaret Thomas <mailto:iluvtoread@cox.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 05, 2019 11:26 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] Code Factory Blues
>
> Hi, All:
>
> I'm once again trying to learn NVDA after many years as a JAWS user
> running 64 bit Windows 7 Home.
>
> One of my problems is that my attempts keep being interrupted by one
> thing or another and I have to start virtually all over from scratch.  I
> purchased a couple of Code Factory voices  with one being an Eloquence
> that sounds reasonably like the Eloquence with JAWS that I'm used to.
> Apparently, I upset Code Factory by not loading NVDA frequently enough
> for them since the voice switched to something else from Eloquence that
> it had been on the last time I used NVDA and I apparently have to
> re-register the Code Factory voice again.  This will be the third time
> and I'll be in search of another synthesizer since I have a problem
> understanding eSpeak or whatever the current one is.  Could someone
> please remind me how to find out what the current one is?  During one of
> my previous attempts, I found that the SAPI voice for Win 7 was easier
> to understand than eSpeak, but can't remember how to switch.  Could some
> kind person please provide instructions?
>
> I'll check out voices again when I can get NVDA more understandable, but
> does anyone know if there has been anything new other than from Code
> Factory in the last several months that works with Win 7?
>
> I seem to be running NVDA 2018.1.1.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Margaret
>
>
>


Re: Silent Install

Kevin Cussick
 

Ok, missed it can you give the exact command might be worth trying thanks.

On 10/04/2019 08:37, Luke Thomson via Groups.I wrote:
It means that the installer should run silently in the background - so no windows popping up or any user interaction with the installer. It's very useful when deploying applications to managed machines as it prevents the user from interacting with the installation and potentially causing issues.


locked Re: The NVDA list was created to welcome new users, Re: [nvda] List policy on archive use

 

Ladies and Gentlemen,

            Let me be clear, these meta conversations are not now going to be continued on the main group.   It was requested, at the outset, that these concerns be brought to the group leadership via the owner e-mail address, and that's being made again:  nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io.

            This topic is now locked and any subsequent topics of this nature will be promptly locked if they are placed on the main group.  They can be continued on the Chat subgroup if one wishes.  This group is available to any NVDA group member that wishes to join it.  The addresses, again, are:

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Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 


Re: I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

It was off and on frustration for 3.5 days for me.  And, maybe for some of you too.
 
I am using NVDA on my troublesome Dell to write this in WLM right now.  Very quick response to my key strokes.  And, I will stop putting down this Dell laptop.  Its quite fast with its I5 processor.
 
Cheers,
 
James
 
   
 

From:    Dejan Ristic
Sent: We    dnesday, April 10, 2019 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install
 

Happy to have heard of that. You fought your way through it.

On 10/04/2019 17:04, James Bentley wrote:
The stupid thing did actually install.  Can you really believe that?
 
Now, I have NVDA installed.  Makes my whole day.  So, you got to know how much I appreciate your suggestion.
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 5:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install
 
What happens if you use the install option when the portable version is running.  I don't know how you get to it in the new interface.  I don't run a version with that interface, though I'd like to to see what its like, but I don't have a machine that can run it as my machines are set up now. 
 
At any rate, in the old interface, the option is in the tools menu.  If you can successfully run the install option, you will have an installed copy. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 2:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install
 
I think that Interesting is one word for it.  Smile
 
I’ll tell you what I just did.  I created a portible copy of NVDA with a working laptop and put it on a thumb drive.  Then I put it in to a folder on the not working right, Dell.  Now I finally have NVDA on the Dell PC plus I can use the NVDA portible thumb drive anywhere.
 
Guess there’s more than one way to get the job done.  Its just so very weird...
 
Cheers,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 10:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install
 
I don't know anything about user profiles so I don't know if that is the problem.  But what I find interesting is that you don't even get to the point where NVDA is running for the talking install.  That is actually the portable version running, though you haven't yet approved the license and told it whether you want to keep running it, create a portable version, or install.  I wonder if a user profile would matter at such an early stage where it is running as a portable version to be used as a talking installer.  I don't have the technical knowledge to assess that question but, having said that, it doesn't sound plausible to me.  Maybe some others with enough technical knowledge to make a reasonable guess about the situation will comment further on this interesting problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2019 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install
 
    Hi all,

I just got off the phone with the MS Disability Desk.  They are offering me
to options to get NVDA installed on my Dell laptop.  Change user profiles or
do a clean install.  So, unless someone tells me otherwise, I will just do
without NVDA on this particular machine for a few months.  Later, I will
consider a fresh install of Windows.  But, I got burned twice before when MS
changed user profiles on two of my PC's so I do not think I want to try for
a third time.  I would try it myself but it is a bit over my head...maybe a
lot over when it comes to know what and how to move everything over to the
new user profile.

Again, I am extremely grateful for so many people joining in to work toward
a solution.  And, this Dell will eventually get a fresh install.

All, have an awesome night,,

James B



-----Original Message-----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 5:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install

First, the good news.  My Dell laptop made it through the Windows10 repair
and is snappier than ever.

Now, the bad.  I still can't get NVDA to install.

The first MS tech support person that I spoke with earlier today said that
she could create another user profile and install NVDA and I wouldn't need
to switch profiles.  Actually, I basically do not even understand  very much
about profiles but, I am about to call the MS  Disability Desk for the third
time today and try one more time for installing NVDA.

I'll post more information here later because so many of you spent so much
time on this.

Regards,

James B



-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install

Hi,   after I sent the mail I thought about it and thought that is what
you meant.   thanks for getting back.

On 09/04/2019 21:56, James Bentley wrote:
> Hi,
>
> MB is short for Malwarebytes.
>
> My laptop is running Windows repair right now.  Maybe about one hour
> before I find out if it is fixed.
>
> Cheers,
>
> James B
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
> Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 3:46 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install
>
> Hi,   not sure what mb means?   anyway your idea about letting your
> machine to install apps from any where is the best idea I have seen yet.
>    let us know how you get on.   I think a complete reinstall of windows
> is maybe the way forward,   but I know it is a drastic step!   but now
> and again You have to just jump.   again good luck.
>
> On 09/04/2019 08:23, James Bentley wrote:
>> Hi, I just now saw this post.
>>
>> I was using Windows Defender + the latest version of Malwarebytes, the
>> paid version with real time protection.  I deleted the MB and the problem
>> still exist.  And, I'm still not clear on how to turn off Defender but
>> many list members have stated that they are certain that both Defender
>> and MB do not stop NVDA from downloading.  Maybe, there is a small chance
>> that I have messed up Defender, its menus or not at all friendly to me
>> but, I kind of doubt it.
>>
>> I would like to find the last version of NVDA so that I can try
>> installing it.  Then, I would try to update to the current version.  That
>> wouldn't resolve my problem but it would at least get NVDA on the system.
>>
>> I wonder why I can still download software from other sources.
>>
>> I have NVDA on my bedroom laptop and it works great.  But my living room
>> PC is right out of the Twilight Zone!
>>
>> James B
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
>> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 3:24 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install
>>
>> Hi,   can you let us know what AV product your using?
>>
>> On 08/04/2019 04:23, James Bentley wrote:
>>> It looks like I am not getting the full download.  I would love to know
>>> why.
>>>
>>> In the mean time, I would definitely appreciate you drop boxing me the
>>> file.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> James B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: hurrikennyandopo ...
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 9:53 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just downloaded the latest copy of it just then the server is up.I am
>>> guessing your copy is a full download? like mentioned in the previous
>>> email.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If need be i can drop box the one i just downloaded.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene nz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/04/2019 2:27 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>>>
>>>    I have downloaded it two times in the past with other laptops.  But,
>>> the first time for this laptop.
>>>
>>>    I do not get past the music.  No dialog  at all.  I did try alt+y
>>> just in case.
>>>
>>>    I have tried to save this and run it.  I have tried to just run it.
>>> Same results.
>>>
>>>    Maybe their server has been down for over one day.
>>>
>>>    The only thing that I have recently changed on my end is just that I
>>> upgraded to Jaws 2019 on both computers.  Of course, I tried J17 just in
>>> case.  No dice.
>>>
>>>    Cheers,
>>>
>>>    James B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    From: hurrikennyandopo ...
>>>    Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 9:13 PM
>>>    To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>    Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install
>>>
>>>    Hi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    is this the first time you have ever installed NVDA or have you had a
>>> earlier version.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    the file that wouldive come down would be named nvda 2019.1.exe and
>>> when you click on it or try to get it to load it will make a musical
>>> sound then come up with a documentation screen. YOu will need to agree
>>> to it by pressing the space bar then tab to the first option which will
>>> be install to your computer then press the enter key. If it seems to be
>>> getting stuck installing it it might be that the UAC screen has come up
>>> and nvda can not see it if this is the case use the ALT key + letter Y
>>> to say yes to it and it should keep on installing then say it has been
>>> installed  with a ok button.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Or is it just not going any further after you hear the sound?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Gene nz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    On 8/04/2019 1:45 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>>>
>>>      Hi all,
>>>
>>>      I went to:
>>>
>>>      http://www.nvaccess.org/
>>>
>>>      and downloaded a very small file that looks like it is suppose to
>>> install NVDA.  When I open it, I get a few seconds of music and then
>>> nothing.
>>>
>>>      I have tried with both Chrome and IE for over 24 hours now.  So,
>>> maybe someone can tell me what I am doing wrong?
>>>
>>>      Cheers,
>>>
>>>      James B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    --
>>>     Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
>>> material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
>>>     Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of
>>> the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of
>>> their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest
>>> to you please visit
>>> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
>>> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is
>>> installed on the APNK network please visit the following link
>>> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to
>>> use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link
>>> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
>>>     To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City
>>> Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to
>>> the following links. Software available
>>> https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to
>>> start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers
>>> https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
>>>     To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the
>>> following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification
>>> page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from
>>> around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
>>> exam.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>




 




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locked The NVDA list was created to welcome new users, Re: [nvda] List policy on archive use

Laurie Mehta
 

The NVDA list, we have often been told, was created to showcase the usability of NVDA and to welcome new users with assistance.
It is unfortunate that some seem to feel that repetition of topics is annoying-- but these people tend to be experienced users. Maybe it is they who could rethink the environment that ought to be expected for this list?
In any case, regarding his message (copied below) ...
Gene: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Well said!
-Laurie Mehta

--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 4/10/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

I think this question, whether, how, and how much to encourage use of the archives is important and should be discussed on the list.  I very seldom discuss administration on the list but I think this is a fundamental issue and I will therefore do so.  This is a very major policy change that may have implications and change the nature of the list in important, perhaps fundamental ways that the membership may not have considered. 
Help lists of blind users that are aimed at all levels of users, at least none of the four or five I am or have been on, don't do anything to get people to use the archives as list policy.  Doing so would have the following seriously adverse effects:
The  requirement or strong encouragement will discourage less knowledgeable and experienced people from asking questions.  If they don't have the Internet skills to use the archives or to use them well, they may believe their questions aren't welcome.
There is another way in which such a policy would fundamentally change the nature of the list.  If you were to be successful, you would create an environment where many members wouldn't learn about things they might have otherwise. 
For example, many newer members may know nothing about object navigation or screen review.  Because of repetition on the list over time, they might well learn that such features exist and something about how to use them and where to get more information.  Another commonly repeated question at intervals is about additional voices for NVDA.  And another commonly asked question is about resources to learn about NVDA.  All these are available as answers in the archives but many members would never know the answers if such a policy were successful and such repetition of commonly asked questions were stopped.  A certain amount of repetition comes with the teritory on lists of this type. I haven't seen complaints about such repetition and I think that experienced NVDA users know and accept that this comes with the teritory on such lists and accept it as a way of helping all sorts of different levels of users on such lists. 
I think that no change should be made.  I think the list serves the most people the best with no such policy.
Gene


Re: Making pop-up notifications go away

 

Sarah,

           Getting to the action center via keyboard is not, in any way, screen reader dependent.   That's why this topic would have been "best suited" if one asks the pivotal question first.

            One thing that has been brought up on the group in the past, and not only by me, is that there is great value in knowing what are actual screen reader commands (regardless of the screen reader) versus Windows OS commands, versus program commands.   The latter two do not change, regardless of the screen reader being used.

             I said earlier, and I stick by it, that it's a baseline assumption that everyone except myself should be presumed to be using a screen reader or screen readers routinely.   All I'm asking is that people pose the question regarding whether what's about to be asked is actually about NVDA itself (or directly related to using it in a very specific situation - and those topics happen frequently - particularly with regard to difficulty with webpages, which seem to constantly evolve new ways of doing things that are inaccessible or accessible by workaround) or about how to do something with WIndows 10, or Word, or Thunderbird, or . . .    The former belong on this group, the latter on chat.
--

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Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 


Re: Making pop-up notifications go away

Sarah k Alawami
 



On 10 Apr 2019, at 9:01, Brian Vogel wrote:

This is also a topic that would have been best suited to the Chat Subgroup, since it's definitely not about NVDA

Not necessarelly. What if I'm a new computer user, and a new NVDA user and I want to know how to do a task with nvda such as go into the action center and turn on quiet mode etc. This is a bit of a gray line here in my humble opinion

Take care and be blessed.


Re: Making pop-up notifications go away

 

Suspending notifications has been built into Windows 10, if not from day one, for a long time now.

If the goal is to suspend them during a PowerPoint presentation (or anything you're duplicating to another screen [often a projector]) the first method mentioned is best.  If you just want to shut up notifications for some set duration the Quiet Time option is preferable.

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-notifications-while-presenting-windows-10

(Be aware that if you are using a ad blocker the page above will have a pop-up appear over it, which you can (and will have to dismiss) using the controls on it to either continue with your adblocker active or whitelist the windowscentral site).

This is also a topic that would have been best suited to the Chat Subgroup, since it's definitely not about NVDA.  But the proverbial hammer is not yet being brought down.  I'm hoping that folks will start asking themselves the question, , “Is what I’m about to ask related to using NVDA directly to accomplish something, or to control NVDA itself?,” independently and choose posting venue according to whether the answer to same is, Yes (main group), or "No" (chat subgroup).
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Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 


Re: Reading word documents that are flagged as read-only

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I don't have any read only ones, but if it is a read only file, maybe loading it into a different editor like Jarte might work better.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading word documents that are flagged as read-only


I think the only way is to use the speech dictionary to stop the phrase from being spoken. But there may be no way to stop it from being spoken universally so you might want to do this in the temporary dictionary so the entry won't be retained beyond the current NVDA session.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Sile via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 9:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading word documents that are flagged as read-only


Hello


I have noticed that when reading read-only word documents that NVDA says
'read only' for each paragraph break. Is there a way to make it stop
doing this?


I am using office 16 and windows 10.


--Sile


Re: Making pop-up notifications go away

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I wonder if there might be a way to not have them read in the middle of something, but make a noise like a ding instead? I do notice that the 3D sounds add on partially does this but it still says, for example
fred bloggs added idiot.mp3 to your dropbox which is often unwelcome in the middle of a long complex bit of reading.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making pop-up notifactions go away


Try WinKey+A. The Delete key will work if the notification itself is what has focus. They will dismiss themselves after a few seconds if left unattended to.

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Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.*

~ Edward Abbey


Re: Reading word documents that are flagged as read-only

 

You could try the old "save as" trick, which often works.   I just save the document as another copy of itself, and in the vast majority of cases that eliminates the read only attribute on the copy.   

This doesn't work if you actually copy a file in Windows Explorer.   You must do a Save As from within Word.   I haven't tried this with Word 2016, but I know I had it work back in Word 2010, at least at one point in time.
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Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey