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locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Louis Maher
 

Hi Richard,

 

You will probably have to have a sighted person to turn your computer on for you.

This was in 2015.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Indeed, I am duly concerned about this too.  However, it is a requirement of the employer to have such on a home PC used for remote work (HIPAA).  Relatedly, how does BitLocker impact making a Windows Image backup; using the legacy Windows method?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 08:48 AM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Soon, I will turn-on BitLocker.

-
All I'll say about this, and it's not accessibility related, is think long and hard about whether you really want or need full drive encryption.  Most of us don't, particularly for our personal computers.

As a repair tech I have seen more incidents where everything was lost and unrecoverable because of "encryption gone wrong" than I care to talk about.  And I'm not talking about ransomware encryption, but intentional drive encryption.  It can be a major stumbling block if recovery is needed.  It can also be an issue if it "burps" in any way.

Give due consideration to whether this is something needed or not.
 
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

 

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Louis Maher
 

Hello Richard,

 

I used to get the BitLocker dialog after an actual cold start by pressing the power button.

 

As I remember, you were given three chances to get your BitLocker password correct.  After your third attempt, another dialog appeared asking you to enter a 64-digit recovery password which was given you when BitLocker was originally installed.  Please note that this dialog is also completely inaccessible. 

 

If that is not successful, you have to purchase a new hard drive.

 

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi Louis!

 

Interesting.  When you say “power on,” does that mean 1) from a restart a.k.a. “soft boot” or 2) an actual cold start by pressing the power button a.k.a. “hard boot” - or both?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hello Richard,

 

I last used bitLocker in 2015.  At that time, bitLocker would ask the sighted for a power on password.  This dialog was completely inaccessible to the blind.  After about 30 seconds, I would enter my bitLocker  power-on password and hope that the dialog box was open.  (Note if the computer was doing updates, then this strategy would fail.) If I entered an incorrect password, the resulting error dialog was also in accessible.  After waiting ten minutes or so, if the computer had not reached the Microsoft account login keyword, I would reboot the machine and try again.  Usually I would find a kind sighted person to help me turn on my computer.  I had to get a sighted person to turn on my computer about 50% of the time.  Microsoft said that they could not make the Bit Locker dialog accessible because Bit Locker runs early in the power-on cycle.

 

Note, using bitLocker was my employer’s requirement.

 

BitLocker encrypts your hard drive and is probably a good idea.

 

I would be interested if there has been any bitLocker progress since 2015.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 7:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi!

 

I have a PC running Windows 10 Pro 64-bit and NVDA 2020.4.  Soon, I will turn-on BitLocker.  Will doing so trigger any accessibility issues?

 

Thanks,

Richard


Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

JM Casey
 

Yeah...I always just do that 9although I use powershell mostly)...
Lol the assisant was always called Cortana, and can be disabled. But for some reason windows-x occasionally doesn't get you to the menu...something to do with the taskbar maybe? In any case I don't worry about it -- run works every time, so long as explorer is up and running (if it's flaked out for some reason you can always use task manager...)

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: May 25, 2021 02:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Running Commands with Admin Privilege

Martin, I find a *very* reliable, as in thus far foolproof, way to get to command prompt is by bringing up the run dialog (windows key + r) then typing cmd & pressing ctrl+shift+enter. This eliminates Kertonna unpredictabilities, or whatever MS calls its alleged assistant NOW.

On 5/24/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
And to add what Joseph has said, once you find your "preferred road to Rome"
then stick with it.

Microsoft has always had the annoying, or blessed, depending on your
perspective, habit of giving you way multiple ways to achieve
precisely the same ends.
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expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you
do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

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Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

 

Hi,
A bit about "comma": that's usually the way I write commands (others may
have different ideas).
At least I'm glad things are working out for you.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Martin
McCormick
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: Martin McCormick <martin.m@suddenlink.net>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Running Commands with Admin Privilege

Thank you. I found the right setting and unchecked the box that gives you
Power Shell by default and now it's Command Prompt. The context menu does
reflect the change plus Command-prompt (Admin)does make you run the UAC
step.

This probably sounds a bit obsessive, but I called up the
Command-prompt in admin mode twice from Windows+x and I saw the correct
prompt both times.

Martin


Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

Martin McCormick
 

Thank you. I found the right setting and unchecked the box that
gives you Power Shell by default and now it's Command Prompt. The
context menu does reflect the change plus Command-prompt (Admin)does
make you run the UAC step.

This probably sounds a bit obsessive, but I called up the
Command-prompt in admin mode twice from Windows+x and I saw the
correct prompt both times.

Martin


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Vaibhav,

 

So, when the BitLocker dialogue first appears, is it accessible somehow?  What logon credentials do you enter, the BitLocker key or your usual Windows credentials?  How do you get past it if it is not somehow accessible?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaibhav Saraf
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 5:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi,

 

I have bitlocker on my work laptop. NVDA does not speak anything on the screen. It appears way before NVDA gets initialized.

 

Not sure if it is a general behaviour or my company has configured it wrongly.

 

Thanks,

Vaibhav

 

 

On Mon, 24 May 2021 at 18:18, Richard B. McDonald <richardbmcdonald@...> wrote:

Hi!

 

I have a PC running Windows 10 Pro 64-bit and NVDA 2020.4.  Soon, I will turn-on BitLocker.  Will doing so trigger any accessibility issues?

 

Thanks,

Richard


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Louis!

 

Interesting.  When you say “power on,” does that mean 1) from a restart a.k.a. “soft boot” or 2) an actual cold start by pressing the power button a.k.a. “hard boot” - or both?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Maher
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hello Richard,

 

I last used bitLocker in 2015.  At that time, bitLocker would ask the sighted for a power on password.  This dialog was completely inaccessible to the blind.  After about 30 seconds, I would enter my bitLocker  power-on password and hope that the dialog box was open.  (Note if the computer was doing updates, then this strategy would fail.) If I entered an incorrect password, the resulting error dialog was also in accessible.  After waiting ten minutes or so, if the computer had not reached the Microsoft account login keyword, I would reboot the machine and try again.  Usually I would find a kind sighted person to help me turn on my computer.  I had to get a sighted person to turn on my computer about 50% of the time.  Microsoft said that they could not make the Bit Locker dialog accessible because Bit Locker runs early in the power-on cycle.

 

Note, using bitLocker was my employer’s requirement.

 

BitLocker encrypts your hard drive and is probably a good idea.

 

I would be interested if there has been any bitLocker progress since 2015.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 7:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Hi!

 

I have a PC running Windows 10 Pro 64-bit and NVDA 2020.4.  Soon, I will turn-on BitLocker.  Will doing so trigger any accessibility issues?

 

Thanks,

Richard


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

Richard,

           I would suggest you might want to take these questions up on the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group.  There are likely to be more folks who are actively using Bitlocker there, and can definitively answer your questions.  This really is out-of-scope for the NVDA group.

           My final word with regard to backup is do not use the legacy Backup & Restore (Windows 7) feature.  Microsoft deprecated the core component of that utility all the way back at Version 1709.  That means that it, like IE, could be pulled at any time of Microsoft's choosing.  Their official statement back then was to choose and use a third-party utility.  Microsoft Announcement of Deprecated Features, including SIB [Backup and Restore (Windows 7), V1709]
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

Richard B. McDonald
 

Indeed, I am duly concerned about this too.  However, it is a requirement of the employer to have such on a home PC used for remote work (HIPAA).  Relatedly, how does BitLocker impact making a Windows Image backup; using the legacy Windows method?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does turning-on "BitLocker" cause any accessibility issues?

 

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 08:48 AM, Richard B. McDonald wrote:

Soon, I will turn-on BitLocker.

-
All I'll say about this, and it's not accessibility related, is think long and hard about whether you really want or need full drive encryption.  Most of us don't, particularly for our personal computers.

As a repair tech I have seen more incidents where everything was lost and unrecoverable because of "encryption gone wrong" than I care to talk about.  And I'm not talking about ransomware encryption, but intentional drive encryption.  It can be a major stumbling block if recovery is needed.  It can also be an issue if it "burps" in any way.

Give due consideration to whether this is something needed or not.
 
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

 

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: History with Jarte and NVDA

 

hello.
yes, libreoffice can opens various types of microsoft files by default,
and even you can edit and save the files as their original extensions.

On 5/25/21, David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello NVDA Group,

To Gene, David, and others interested.

Gene, Jarte was a 'nimble' word processor said to be basic and not
have all the bells and whistles found on MS Word. I believe only
Jarte+ is available for free, or at its cost of under twenty-five US
dollars. Also, the plus version offers spelling error features via the
screen reader mode, and again mimics WordPad. That answers your
question of what I ant it to do for a significant savings: act like MS
Word for a savings of over 50 percent.

The issue of the product no longer being supported is concerning.
Should this raise 'flags' and what might those be?

To David, a friend suggested LibreOffice, too. I note from doing a
Google search, there were issues in 2019 with this program repeating
words, skipping text, and perhaps spellcheck. I did pick up on the
producers being passionate from what I read by them. As a writer, I am
reliant on software working well and together. These past issues were
said to occur between LibreOffice and either Jaws or NVDA. If you can
allay my concerns to their existence, I will give LibreOffice strong
consideration as it is still active!
I have files on a thumb drive produced in the 2013 version of MS Word.
Jarte will read those. Can one expect the same from LibreOffice?

Excuse me for my wordiness, but I have found that two or more heads on
a matter may be better than one.. Thanks!

--
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locked Re: History with Jarte and NVDA

 

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 10:20 AM, Gene wrote:
And if you can still purchase it for whatever features you may want, I see no reason not to do so.
-
Gene, just as a note, there is no version that requires purchase anymore.  When the developers ceased development they put Jarte Plus, which was the fuller-featured purchased version, on their downloads page at no cost.  The final version was 6.2.
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: History with Jarte and NVDA

Gene
 

A product no longer being supported means nothing in and of itself.  All it means is that it isn’t being updated any longer to adde new features or put in place patches for security vulnerabilities.  I doubt very much that JARTE needs to concern itself with security vulnerabilities.  I t doesn’t do things like run JMacros which Word can be made to do which may introduce security flaws that might be patched in future.  JARTE has many features but it is not a complex word processor.  I see no reason not to use it.
 
You can use something else, there are accessible or reasonably accessible free alternatives.  They are more complex programs;  You already know JARTE.  While you can get and use another program, if there is no advantage, why go through the trouble? 
 
I can’t, of course, advise you on whether to use JARTE since I don’t know what you want to do.  I can only say that if you know or learn through discussion here that it meets your needs, I see no reason not to use it. 
 
And if you can still purchase it for whatever features you may want, I see no reason not to do so. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] RE History with Jarte and NVDA
 
Hello NVDA Group,

To Gene, David, and others interested.

Gene, Jarte was a 'nimble' word processor said to be basic and not
have all the bells and whistles found on MS Word. I believe only
Jarte+ is available for free, or at its cost of under twenty-five US
dollars. Also, the plus version offers spelling error features via the
screen reader mode, and again mimics WordPad. That answers your
question of what I ant it to do for a significant savings: act like MS
Word for a savings of over 50 percent.

The issue of the product no longer being supported is concerning.
Should this raise 'flags' and what might those be?

To David, a friend suggested LibreOffice, too. I note from doing a
Google search, there were issues in 2019 with this program repeating
words, skipping text, and perhaps spellcheck. I did pick up on the
producers being passionate from what I read by them. As a writer, I am
reliant on software working well and together.  These past issues were
said to occur between LibreOffice and either Jaws or NVDA. If you can
allay my concerns to their existence, I will give LibreOffice strong
consideration as it is still active!
I have files on a thumb drive produced in the 2013 version of MS Word.
Jarte will read those. Can one expect the same from LibreOffice?

Excuse me for my wordiness, but I have found that two or more heads on
a matter may be better than one.. Thanks!

--
David C. Russell, Author





Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

 

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 09:54 AM, Martin McCormick wrote:
Anyway, Power Shell (Admin) probably makes you do the UAC
drill, but pressing the Comma just after Windows-x did nothing.

Somewhere, there is a personalize in the control panel
that lets one replace the admin power shell with the Command
Prompt.
1. Comma should do nothing.  It's neither a windows command nor is it a keyboard shortcut mapped to one of the options in the WinKey+X context menu.

2. The choice to set PowerShell versus Command Prompt in the WinKey+X menu is found in Settings, Personalization, Taskbar.  There is a toggle for Replace Command Prompt with Windows PowerShell in the menu when I right click the start button or press Windows Key + X.  I personally prefer Command Prompt because I have years of experience with it, so that's what I keep in my menu.

3. Every item, except File Explorer, in that is in the WinKey+X context menu has a single letter "third letter pressed after WinKey+X" associated with it.  If you've got it set for Command Prompt then C will open a non-admin instance whereas A will open an Admin instance of command prompt.  
 
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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


locked Re: History with Jarte and NVDA

 

Jarte is indeed out of support as far as ongoing development and maintenance, but given the nature of the program, and that the producers are still keeping their website active and allowing downloading of Jarte Plus at no cost, they're not telegraphing that it should not be used.  It lives in a sort of twilight world where its makers are not pulling it but they're also not doing any further development on it.  It's not unlike Classic Shell in that regard, although the makers of CS are pointing people to Open Shell, if memory serves.

Should there come a point where something actually breaks as far as Jarte and Windows 10 go, then the only alternative would be another alternative.  That's just the way it goes with abandonware, as it's often called.

Since Jarte does not, if memory serves, have much (if any) intimate contact with cyberspace outside its update function which, obviously, will no longer work I would not feel uncomfortable using it from a security standpoint unless something is found with regard to it having a previously undetected vulnerability to attack.
--

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I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions.  The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body.  What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are.

      ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

Martin McCormick
 

First, my deepest thanks to each one of you who replied to my
question which, as I said before, I should know the answer to by
now.
"Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> writes:
Can you tell us the publication date of this specific article? We (and
especially, I) need this info because Windows 10 keeps changing, and what
may have worked a year ago won't work quite the same.
It says that this article was

Last Updated on February 21, 2021 by admin 23 Comments

Even better, here's the url.

https://www.intowindows.com/command-prompt-as-administrator-in-windows-10/

>Also, the fastest way
to open Command Prompt or PowerShell in admin mode is pressing Windows+X,
followed by A, then saying Yes to UAC prompt
We are on to something but I am not sure what just yet.

I wonder if I am not starting out in the wrong place for
some reason.

When I wake the computer from sleep and enter the
login password, if I press nvda+divide, I am frequently on the
desktop. If I press Windows+x, I hear "context menu" from nvda.
Pressing the comma key, yields that strum sound we all love to
hear that means that nothing good, actually, nothing at all just
happened. There is no UAC prompt. Pressing the down arrow gives

Apps and FeaturesPower options, event viewer,system, device
managernetwork connections,disk management, computer management,
Windows power shell, Windows power shell (admin), task manager,
settings, File Explorer, search, run, shutdown or sign out,
and desktop

If one presses the Up arrow just after Windows+x, desktop
is the first thing above Apps and Features. I think they call
this a carousel. I really don't like those because a complex one
can trick one in to going through parts of it more than once,
thinking one is doing something new, sort of the 2021 version of
the little moron jokes that were going around in the late1950's.
Hint. On both sides of a piece of paper, one writes,

"How do you keep a little moron busy? See other side."

When I was six or seven years old, I thought it was
funny. It's still funny unless you are the one sucked in to the
modern version of it.

Anyway, Power Shell (Admin) probably makes you do the UAC
drill, but pressing the Comma just after Windows-x did nothing.

Somewhere, there is a personalize in the control panel
that lets one replace the admin power shell with the Command
Prompt.

I have discovered that Command prompt is good for many
things but Power shell is good for others. From my unix
upbringing, the command prompt as root does it all, the good, bad
and the ugly to borrow a movie title.

Martin


locked History with Jarte and NVDA

David Russell
 

Hello NVDA Group,

To Gene, David, and others interested.

Gene, Jarte was a 'nimble' word processor said to be basic and not
have all the bells and whistles found on MS Word. I believe only
Jarte+ is available for free, or at its cost of under twenty-five US
dollars. Also, the plus version offers spelling error features via the
screen reader mode, and again mimics WordPad. That answers your
question of what I ant it to do for a significant savings: act like MS
Word for a savings of over 50 percent.

The issue of the product no longer being supported is concerning.
Should this raise 'flags' and what might those be?

To David, a friend suggested LibreOffice, too. I note from doing a
Google search, there were issues in 2019 with this program repeating
words, skipping text, and perhaps spellcheck. I did pick up on the
producers being passionate from what I read by them. As a writer, I am
reliant on software working well and together. These past issues were
said to occur between LibreOffice and either Jaws or NVDA. If you can
allay my concerns to their existence, I will give LibreOffice strong
consideration as it is still active!
I have files on a thumb drive produced in the 2013 version of MS Word.
Jarte will read those. Can one expect the same from LibreOffice?

Excuse me for my wordiness, but I have found that two or more heads on
a matter may be better than one.. Thanks!

--
David C. Russell, Author


Re: NVDA Satisfaction Survey 2021

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Quentin,

 

That’s fine. In fact, I agree that you need a balancing question that challenges the positive assertions so the need to have the responder identify as a tester or user is fine and should do the trick!

 

I appreciate your full answer

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Satisfaction Survey 2021

 

Yes that's basically it - the third question,  “Is the use primarily for Accessibility testing?” , is essentially meant to distinguish those who use NVDA primarily as end-users from those who probably aren't end-users and use NVDA primarily for accessibility testing.  Or in other words, so we can find out how highly end users rate NVDA as being useful in meeting their needs, and how highly it gets rated by non-end user developers and testers in meeting how they use it.

 

Of course there will be a fair bit of overlap and quite a large proportion of end users will say that even just relying on NVDA means you spend an amount of time doing the testing and documenting of issues which developers may not have done.  I guess the intent then is in that word "primarily" - if you are an end-user, then yes we know you likely provide feedback to us and others to help make products better - and we very much appreciate that, but your experience will still be different to those who are sighted web developers and only use NVDA occasionally to test changes to a site for instance.

 

So, that question particularly may not be perfect, but we went for simplicity originally (and consistency this year in keeping the same wording).  If you're unsure, go with your gut instinct :)

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 3:23 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 12:57 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

“Is the use primarily for Accessibility testing?” Does an answer “yes” mean that the person does not use NVDA for purposes of accessing everything on the computer but only while testing the accessibility of apps?

-
Th at's how I've always taken that question.

I think it's meant to differentiate feedback from people like myself, who use NVDA for accessibility testing purposes, but who do not depend on it in any way or use it as our primary, or even secondary, method of gaining access to "all things on the PC."

I'll be curious to see if my interpretation, and it looks like yours as well, is congruent with what the people who posed the question were trying to get at.

My feedback, though not frequent nor in the depth that some give, cannot possibly be as comprehensive as what might come from someone using a screen reader as "a daily driver" could likely provide.  You all can and will hit certain things I'm highly unlikely to at random.
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Re: NVDA Satisfaction Survey 2021

Quentin Christensen
 

Dear Zahra,

Of course :)  Please feel free to participate, and there is no need to login or anything to participate either.

Thank you as always for your support!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 6:44 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
quentin.
i participated in your surveys several times and wish to join again.
can all people participate even with the unsupported version of nvda?

On 5/24/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> NV Access are pleased to invite you to participate in the NVDA Satisfaction
> Survey 2021. As in previous years, this is a simple, three-question survey,
> open to NVDA users and testers around the world:
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1_6qHLmpFPvt4TwWUgVcuzHNxPI45BAdjGjvAD0GFVx8/edit?ts=60a394d2
>
> Please do participate, and share with our thanks!
>
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> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
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> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
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Re: Running Commands with Admin Privilege

Gene
 

Before you use the right click command, are you routing the mouse?  If you don’t, who knows what you are clicking on.  Also, you very likely don’t have to use the simulated mouse.  Try shift f10. 
 
Gene
 

Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 10:20 PM
Subject: [nvda] Running Commands with Admin Privilege
 
I really hate to hitup the list for this because I should know it
after 2 years of windows10 but I am still a bit baffled.

This is a case of not getting predictible results rather
than a case of not getting it to work at all but I read an
article on line about 8 ways to run commands as admin and it may
be a bit out of date or something because the description of what
one should read and what I actually find don't quite match.

I have tried, for example, pressing the Windows key then the
lower-case c or sometimes co and the search box fills out to
"command prompt".  Rather than hitting Enter, I type
Control+Shift+Enter which is supposed to start as administrator.
I do get the warning posed as a question as to whether I want
this program to make changes to my computer.  I type Alt-Y and
instead of getting the command prompt, I get another search box
with the c or co letters I already typed.  I can add a few more
and the box fills out as before to command prompt.  Were I to hit
Control+Shift+Enter, I'll get another warning and question and
yet another search box.  I have also got a window open now with
my previous attempt still there.

Sometimes, as I am clearing the mess away, one of the
windows will have a command prompt that is admin, all right and I
can use it but this really isn't right.

The article also described using the context menu which
is usually the NumPad Multiply key and one of the choices there
is supposed to be "run as administrator."

I remember one time actually seeing this screen and it
worked but it seems like you have to hold your mouth just right
and think saintly thoughts because the other times, one sees
stuff from the control panel and so help me, I haven't figured
out what events decide whether one gets the beautiful lady or the
hungry lion.

Fortunately, in this case, one choice lets you run a
command as administrator should you be lucky enough to get it and
the other choice which is always much more likely is you get the
control panel choices, none of which are what one wanted so
nothing happens.

I realize that a context menu is going to be different
depending on what environment one is in when selecting the
context menue but the article kind of lead me to think that you
just opened the search box and then opened the context menu and
obviously, there is something I did or didn't do because it's
usually the wrong context menu.

I've also seen an admin version of the command prompt
that looks normal when I am in my home directory but when I cd to
c:\windows 32 or other system directories, I see Administrator
printed and I can run admin commands, for better or worse.

So, what could I be doing that introduces this
unpredictability in to what should do the same thing every time?

I also do have a copy of the Talking Book Windows 10, the
Missing Manual and what I am describing is probably in there
somewhere.

Thanks for any good explanation or recommendation on a good
resource.

Martin





Re: NVDA Satisfaction Survey 2021

 

quentin.
i participated in your surveys several times and wish to join again.
can all people participate even with the unsupported version of nvda?

On 5/24/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
NV Access are pleased to invite you to participate in the NVDA Satisfaction
Survey 2021. As in previous years, this is a simple, three-question survey,
open to NVDA users and testers around the world:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1_6qHLmpFPvt4TwWUgVcuzHNxPI45BAdjGjvAD0GFVx8/edit?ts=60a394d2

Please do participate, and share with our thanks!

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>





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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

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