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Re: NVDA and thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Thunderbird isn’t lightning fast on my machine and I’m using NVDA.

 

 

 

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From: Curtis Delzer
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 9:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and thunderbird

 

I believe it is JFW, because with NVDA it truly is lightning fast.

 

Curtis Delzer

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On 4/29/2019 3:03 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:

> I've tried the mail app and did not like it. But thanks for mentioning

> it.

> On 4/29/2019 2:55 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

>> That???s one of the reasons I don???t use thunderbird anymore. It was

>> also very sluggish on my machine. Now I???m using the mail app.

>> 

>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

>> Windows 10

>> 

>> *From: *Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@...>

>> *Sent: *Monday, April 29, 2019 2:42 PM

>> *To: *nvda <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>> *Subject: *[nvda] NVDA and thunderbird

>> 

>> Within the last week or so using latest version of Thunderbird, when

>> 

>> hitting enter on the message, NVDA repeats the subject line at least 3

>> 

>> times. Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?

>> 

>> latest windows ten Essentials.

>> 

>> windows version: Windows 10Ver1809 (64-bit) build 17763.437

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and thunderbird

Curtis Delzer
 

I believe it is JFW, because with NVDA it truly is lightning fast.

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 4/29/2019 3:03 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
I've tried the mail app and did not like it. But thanks for mentioning it.

On 4/29/2019 2:55 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That???s one of the reasons I don???t use thunderbird anymore. It was also very sluggish on my machine. Now I???m using the mail app.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@att.net>
*Sent: *Monday, April 29, 2019 2:42 PM
*To: *nvda <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] NVDA and thunderbird

Within the last week or so using latest version of Thunderbird, when

hitting enter on the message, NVDA repeats the subject line at least 3

times. Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?

latest windows ten Essentials.

windows version: Windows 10Ver1809 (64-bit) build 17763.437


Owner's Notes: Updated Rules #adminnotice

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NVDA and motorola CPS software.

Shaun Oliver
 

Hi all,

I'm currently undertaking the task of programming Motorola Mototrbo radios using the CPS software. my problem is, while I can somewhat navigate through the treview when the codeplug is loaded and locate the various tick boxes and combo boxes etc, I have no idea what each option does, due to the fact that while they are labeled, they are not labeled in such a way as to allow NVDA to pick up those lables and allow me to know what each item is. Is there anybody that is competent with coding add-ons out there that can assist me with this venture? I am happy to assist in testing, but my coding skills are negligible at best and I haven't the patients to undertake such a task.

any and all help would be greatly appreciated. I did try to reach out to motorola to see if they could make the software more blind friendly, but, I have heard nothing back, so I fear we're on our own with this one.

any and all assistance would be greatly appreciated.


Re: So Why Is It Called Ducking Anyway?

Curtis Delzer
 

no, because what happens is that a part of the audio "ducks" down, like ducking out of the way of a thrown tomato. :)

Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 4/28/2019 10:36 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


Well, I'm the clown--I mean--person who mistakenly kept calling the word 'ducking' 'ducting.'  I don't have good hearing and I just assumed without ever looking at it all these years that it must be 'ducting.'  That seemed to make more sense.


A quick look at Wictionary shows that ducking has to do with the quick avoidance of an object, circumstance or issue.  He ducked when the rock was thrown at him.  The politician ducked the question put to him by an aggressive journalist.


Ducting on the other hand is the process of channeling fluid, air or some substance into a channel or multiple ducting into separate channels--such as for example 2 sound sources being seperated with one given prominence when they conflict.  It would seem to me that 'ducting' would be a better choice for calling what NVDA does as well as JAWS and Apple products.  They separate and make one source prominent over another.


So just how is the term 'ducking' used in this context to refer to what NVDA does?  Inquiring minds want to know.


Re: Has anyone used NVDA with Micro Focus Reflection Workplace

 

There is telnet.

There is also teraterm but no idea if it still exists.

Finally there is hyperterminal but I don't know if that still exists at all.

On 30/04/2019 7:03 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Well there are some terminal programs that seem to not work with any screenreader. I suspect they have a kind of screen that looks like the terminal, but in fact is not. I've not used anything like this in years. These days I use it for direct commands and also run batch files which in the main have only textual output anyway.
Being blind the formatting of the output is  not very high on my priority list in fact!
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Mullins" <cjmullins29@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has anyone used NVDA with Micro Focus Reflection Workplace


Hi

I’m not sure this is relevant any more as it’s several years since I worked using a terminal emulator and it was Attachmate Extra with Jaws at that time, so I apologise in advance if this information is no good to you.  I used it to emulate an IBM 3270 terminal and I had to re-class the Extra window as a Multi-tab dialog.  The other thing was getting Jaws to recognise the Cursor, which was configurable withing the Extra settings, where it was possible to tweak the shape an blink rate, such that Jaws could recognise it.  If I remember correctly, the underline character worked best but I can’t remember the blink rate.



I don’t understand what you mean by setting a class of terminal to your window as on the PC side it harps back to the old DOS days and batch files.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pettyjohn, Chris G. (FTC) via Groups.Io
Sent: 29 April 2019 15:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Has anyone used NVDA with Micro Focus Reflection Workplace



Hi,
I'm having a hard time using Micro Focus Reflection Workspace. It's a terminal emulator. I cannot hear the data as it is presented to the screen. I have to manually fire off a read all keystroke or navigate to the bottom of the window and manually explore the last couple of lines.  I have Dynamic Content turned on.  I also have an app module created that sets the window class to a terminal.
But still, the text i type and the new text that scrolls up onto the window are not automatically speaking. Has anyone used this product with success?
thanks,
chris









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Re: Locking of threads and a comment not posted to the poll thread due to it.

 

By the way, and for the record, I absolutely posted a message, reading, "In response to the Group Owner's Administrative Notice, I am locking this topic.   It is now closed to further discussion," to the locked topic before having locked it.  That specific message is in the archive as the last message posted to it for the topic:   Poll: I think ducking should go; and other NVDA features proposal and wider discussion 

You can check it out for yourself.  I don't have the power to backdate anything, and it has been there for somewhere a bit over or under 24 hours now.
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Re: Locking of threads and a comment not posted to the poll thread due to it.

 

I suggest those genuinely concerned about potential issues with existing add-ons take a look at this topic, on the Chat Subgroup, and then follow the wise suggestion of Quentin Christensen:

What happens to add-ons when NVDA goes Python 3?

It's not that this topic is not appropriate for this group, but the people in this group are not really the actual target audience when it comes to having those concerns allayed or addressed or both.  If this is a genuine concern taking it "to the source" is the best course of action.

I, too, have stated repeatedly that I think that the NVDA community does a terrible job of having a centralized, and convenient, repository for all NVDA add-ons, both "official" and home-grown.   It is not that difficult to have a structure to support "by native language" and, under that, "Officially Vetted" (or whatever terminology is preferred) and "Experimental/Beta."    I have to say, though, that this is a problem as far as JAWS goes, too.   There are probably hundreds of add-ons out there, possibly thousands, some of which have been developed specifically for one person or business setting, that could be used by a great many, and where the creators of same would be willing to donate the code.   It would be really nice for there to be somewhere, centralized, and overseen by NVAccess that would be "worldwide add-on central."
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Re: Locking of threads and a comment not posted to the poll thread due to it.

 

Well that was the reason for my original discussion.

The traffic was low and I felt I could start one off.

I do realise some stuff will die or have to go, but there are addons that havn't been updated like if interpritors which are quite stable yet have not been updated.

Granted, right now, manafests with the version information only need to be updated for now but when we switch to python3 full time unless we can carry round a legacy python 2 dll for compatability sake and older libs for the same, but maybe have these as a package for those that need the addons so as not to make nvda's files to massive then there will have to be changes.

My fear I guess is that we switch to python3 and maybe 64 bit with 99% of all our addons gone.

I also would like more legal repos for addons, I know fully well that there are a few repos, some with alegal addons and some without alegal addons, and single addons not even mentioned on the main repos like the japanese translation addon by ian reed which some of use for gaming or the nick stocton addons.

I would also like author pages on the addons site expanded with a link to all their addons off sight on github and for more addons to be added to the main repo.

Point is I know well enough and a lot of users do to that there are more addons than officially available and I would like some sort of expantion please.

On 29/04/2019 9:27 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Please folks do not add to this, but I could not see this comment in that thread and as its locked it bounced. I could not find a post in that thread saying it had been locked either, which is a pain.

Anyway I said the comment below. I am posting this and some other replies in the chat sub group under the subject what about add ons when we go python 3? So comment there.
I'm noting here to our moderators and others who might be developers that
I bet the huge response here was bigger than that on the form for nvaccess
to concentrate on. It shows the power of direct discussion on a list over
just putting up a response form and plugging it every few weeks.


There is a genuine worry that Python 3 is going to break a lot of add ons
and as Joseph said a lot of issues over the legality of people working on
others code who cannot now be traced. I guess something like the Marakesh
treaty for software is needed here!
After all we run the risk of people being in two camps the python 2 camp who won't update since their favourite add on won't run in the python 3 version and the rest.

Brian

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Re: NVDA and thunderbird

Gene
 

I should add that there are other times when issuing an appropriate read command can stop unwanted excess verbosity.  For example, if you use the search command when searching an Internet page, if what you are searching for is found, you will often hear a lot of irrelevant speech before you hear the result.  Using the read current line command the moment you hear speech causes only the line with the result to be read.  I didn't say to use read to end because you don't want that to be done.  You want to hear the line of text so you know if the line is the line you are looking for.  Since what you are looking for may occur more than once on the page, you want to know the context.  And you don't want to hear a lot of irrelevant text. 
 
In my e-mail program, when I delete a message, if I am in the message list, I hear a lot of irrelevant information before the headers of the next message are read.  If I use read current line after deleting the message, I don't hear the irrelevant information.  You may have to experiment to see if you should pause at all before issuing the command.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and thunderbird

If you get in the habit of issuing the read to end command when you open a message, you won't have repeated text read.  You may have to wait a moment to press it.  If you don't, you may have to press it again.  you can experiment.  But whether it is this e-mail program or any other where this behavior may occur, that method will stop repeated readings of anything. 
 
After you do this for a short time, it will become automatic.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 4:42 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and thunderbird

Within the last week or so using latest version of Thunderbird, when
hitting enter on the message, NVDA repeats the subject line at least 3
times. Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?
latest windows ten Essentials.
windows version: Windows 10Ver1809 (64-bit) build 17763.437



Re: NVDA and thunderbird

Gene
 

If you get in the habit of issuing the read to end command when you open a message, you won't have repeated text read.  You may have to wait a moment to press it.  If you don't, you may have to press it again.  you can experiment.  But whether it is this e-mail program or any other where this behavior may occur, that method will stop repeated readings of anything. 
 
After you do this for a short time, it will become automatic.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 4:42 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and thunderbird

Within the last week or so using latest version of Thunderbird, when
hitting enter on the message, NVDA repeats the subject line at least 3
times. Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?
latest windows ten Essentials.
windows version: Windows 10Ver1809 (64-bit) build 17763.437



Re: not able to start NVDA using shortcut Ctrl + alt + space

Arlene
 

Hi, I can’t confirm your problem.  I can start NVDA using the hot key. Control alt N Just a few minutes ago now, I don’t know weather I did not press hard enough or my old keyboard to my new laptop batteries are running low.  I did the hot key using the laptop keyboard.  It worked.  When I shut NVDA down and retried it with my old keyboard I had from my win 7 computer. It worked.  I was able to start NVDA.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh
Sent: April 29, 2019 3:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] not able to start NVDA using shortcut Ctrl + alt + space

 

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: wrong subject: It should be ctrl + alt +N and not (space)]

Hi all,
As the subject suggests, I am unable to start or restart NVDA using the shortcut key combinations.
Ctrl+ alt + N
Any particular reason you guys think is preventing me from doing so?

Please respond.
This is on my office computer.

Regards,


Mohd. Ahtesham
From India
Using Windows 8.1 at home and windows 10 pro in office

 


Audio Ducking

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

This is in response to Shaun Everiss’s query regarding audio ducking and other add-ons. Since I receive messages from this list in daily summary mode, the only way I can reply is online, and according to the site, Shaun’s message is blocked, so there’s no option to reply directly.

 

As for audio ducking, it comes in handy for me from time to time. Let’s say I make a call on Skype, and I need to navigate somewhere else while the call is in progress. With audio ducking, the call’s volume is turned down while NVDA is active, so I can hear the speech. Since this feature can be turned off for those who don’t want to use it, why are we even talking about removing it?

 

 

 

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Re: NVDA and thunderbird

Brice Mijares
 

I've tried the mail app and did not like it. But thanks for mentioning it.

On 4/29/2019 2:55 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
That???s one of the reasons I don???t use thunderbird anymore. It was also very sluggish on my machine. Now I???m using the mail app.
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *Brice Mijares <mailto:bricemijares@att.net>
*Sent: *Monday, April 29, 2019 2:42 PM
*To: *nvda <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] NVDA and thunderbird
Within the last week or so using latest version of Thunderbird, when
hitting enter on the message, NVDA repeats the subject line at least 3
times. Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?
latest windows ten Essentials.
windows version: Windows 10Ver1809 (64-bit) build 17763.437


Re: NVDA and thunderbird

Brice Mijares
 

So, my problem isn't something new? If not, I'm losing it faster than I had thought! Thank for the info.

On 4/29/2019 2:51 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi
if you are opening it in a new window it will read it out 3 times but if you press the enter key on the message then use the say all command you will only get it the once.
Some people will use the up arrow key but then it only reads the first line or they may have it set to skim reading.
Others will open it in a new tab for there message.
The easiest is just use the say all command after you have opened the message quickly.
Gene nz
On 30/04/2019 9:42 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Within the last week or so using latest version of Thunderbird, when hitting enter on the message, NVDA repeats the subject line at least 3 times. Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?
latest windows ten Essentials.
windows version: Windows 10Ver1809 (64-bit) build 17763.437


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Re: NVDA and thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

That’s one of the reasons I don’t use thunderbird anymore. It was also very sluggish on my machine. Now I’m using the mail app.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brice Mijares
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 2:42 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and thunderbird

 

Within the last week or so using latest version of Thunderbird, when

hitting enter on the message, NVDA repeats the subject line at least 3

times. Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?

latest windows ten Essentials.

windows version: Windows 10Ver1809 (64-bit) build 17763.437

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and thunderbird

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


if you are opening it in a new window it will read it out 3 times but if you press the enter key on the message then use the say all command you will only get it the once.


Some people will use the up arrow key but then it only reads the first line or they may have it set to skim reading.


Others will open it in a new tab for there message.


The easiest is just use the say all command after you have opened the message quickly.


Gene nz


On 30/04/2019 9:42 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Within the last week or so using latest version of Thunderbird, when hitting enter on the message, NVDA repeats the subject line at least 3 times. Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?
latest windows ten Essentials.
windows version: Windows 10Ver1809 (64-bit) build 17763.437



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NVDA and thunderbird

Brice Mijares
 

Within the last week or so using latest version of Thunderbird, when hitting enter on the message, NVDA repeats the subject line at least 3 times. Is anyone else experiencing this behavior?
latest windows ten Essentials.
windows version: Windows 10Ver1809 (64-bit) build 17763.437


Re: Has anyone used NVDA with Micro Focus Reflection Workplace

 

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 03:15 PM, Gene wrote:
. . . JAWS.  Just in case you do, I'll start with a brief discussion.  it also directly bears on the later NVDA discussion.
Just to "make this official" this is not a group where the name of JAWS may never be uttered, and particularly in a context such as you've done here, Gene.

Comparing and contrasting feature sets (and/or the lack thereof) is a perfectly legitimate framing device here, and I've seen the same done on the JAWS forum with regard to NVDA as well.   Very often the question is of the basic type, "How can I OR Can I do thing X with JAWS that I can do with NVDA?," or vice versa.  

So long as we don't go into JAWS bashing or long rapturous praise of one screen reader while denigrating the other, which there's no trace of here, everything's copacetic.  Every screen reader has it's really strong points and its weaknesses, and very often each has some niche where it's "the only one" that plays well with something.  That's why I've always encouraged my students to learn the basics of at least one alternative screen reader (typically NVDA, but now Narrator will be "in the pool") because I can guarantee them that at one point or another their favored screen reader will not "play well" with something they need to deal with relatively quickly, and the other will.

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Re: Has anyone used NVDA with Micro Focus Reflection Workplace

Gene
 

I am assuming you don't have access to JAWS.  Just in case you do, I'll start with a brief discussion.  it also directly bears on the later NVDA discussion.
 
You may want to see what happens in JAWS if you set the screen echo to all.  Or in JAWS, you could make a frame to read the part of the screen where new information appears automatically. You could also assign a command to read the information in the frame.
 
I haven't used any terminals except Hyperterminal a long time ago so while I think my comments are relevant, others may want to respond.  NVDA very much needs an equivalent to frames in JAWS so the user can define parts of the screen to take actions or do something such as read text when it changes or when specified text appears.  This sort of thing can be done by someone who would make an NVDA  script for you but how you might find such a person is something I can't comment on.
Gene
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Well there are some terminal programs that seem to not work with any
screenreader. I suspect they have a kind of screen that looks like the
terminal, but in fact is not. I've not used anything like this in years.
These days I use it for direct commands and also run batch files which in
the main have only textual output anyway.
 Being blind the formatting of the output is  not very high on my priority
list in fact!
 Brian

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Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 5:17 PM
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Hi

I’m not sure this is relevant any more as it’s several years since I worked
using a terminal emulator and it was Attachmate Extra with Jaws at that
time, so I apologise in advance if this information is no good to you.  I
used it to emulate an IBM 3270 terminal and I had to re-class the Extra
window as a Multi-tab dialog.  The other thing was getting Jaws to recognise
the Cursor, which was configurable withing the Extra settings, where it was
possible to tweak the shape an blink rate, such that Jaws could recognise
it.  If I remember correctly, the underline character worked best but I can’t
remember the blink rate.



I don’t understand what you mean by setting a class of terminal to your
window as on the PC side it harps back to the old DOS days and batch files.



Cheers

Chris



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Sent: 29 April 2019 15:53
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Subject: [nvda] Has anyone used NVDA with Micro Focus Reflection Workplace



Hi,
 I'm having a hard time using Micro Focus Reflection Workspace.  It's a
terminal emulator. I cannot hear the data as it is presented to the screen.
I have to manually fire off a read all keystroke or navigate to the bottom
of the window and manually explore the last couple of lines.  I have Dynamic
Content turned on.  I also have an app module created that sets the window
class to a terminal.
But still, the text i type and the new text that scrolls up onto the window
are not automatically speaking. Has anyone used this product with success?
thanks,
 chris