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Re: blank lines in outlook 2016

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Or makes a little noise of a discreet nature instead?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016


Perhaps it should be suggested that a setting be adopted that would skip blank lines.

Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016


If you want to locate bits to cut and paste as I do all the time for scripts
for readers the blank line can become just a little annoying!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016


Why are you down arrowing through the message? Do you have to do so for
some reason? If you use read to end, no blank lines will be spoken.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Sam Bushman
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 7:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016


Hi All,



I have two main problems with outlook 2016 - the 32bit version that you can
download and install from office 365.



1.. I get blank line over and over when arrowing through messages. Is
there a way to ignore / compress more than one blank line in a row?
2.. Often the outlook crashes and restarts. This only happens with NVDA. I
have briefed several on this list before and have sent in logs etc. Does
this crashing on certain messages happen to anyone else? If I view the
message by either looking at it from a forward or a reply it doesn't crash.
Thanks so much for any input.

Sam


Re: not able to start NVDA using shortcut Ctrl + alt + space

Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh
 

This is a new computer
While installatioon, I unchecked the option to show shortcut on the desktop. But how can it affect the hot key function. However, now how can I make the hot key work?

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From India
Using Windows 8.1 at home and windows 10 pro in office


Re: Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

Stephen
 

You can't post video comments, you can only read them.

At 04:21 AM 5/1/2019, you wrote:
Hi
I answered a similar request some weeks ago when I recommended a site designed for blind users which gives an ad free interface to search for and play YouTube videos.  The link is:
 
http://www.povidi.com/YourTube/
 
After opening the site, use the e key to jump to the search edit box, then  hit the spacebar to move into focus mode (unless you have auto mode switching set in NVDA).  Type in your search criteria, then pres tab to move to a combo box where you set the number of results per page.  Set this to 10, 20 or 50, then press tab again.  You landin another combo box where you can choose between videos, channels or playlists (I only ever use videos which is the default).  Tab again to the search button and press spacebar to run the search.
 
The results appear in a numbered list which you can access using the h key.  Press this repeatedly and when you find one you want to play, press tab to move focus to it and press enter.  A dialog box opens for the chosen video.  Again use the h key to jup to the different sections, which include player controls, pla details, video information and video comments. You can use the b key to jump to the various player control buttons.
 
After video has played, use alt+left arrow to return to the results list dialog at the point where you left it.
 
Cheers
Chris Â
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [ mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 30 April 2019 14:46
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video
 
Hi guys,
Quite a while ago I posted here about the very same subject and at that time there was a workaround that really worked like a charm.
Trouble is, it doesn't seem to work anymore.

So, would any of you happen to know of a way to get to the comments' section on a YouTube video in a reliable manner?
Lately, for me, it's been a hit and miss. And honestly, let me tell you, it has been more of a miss than a hit. Really not fun to waste so much time with something that should be easy peasy, as I like to say.

I'm sending this one to the NVDA add-ons list as well, in case someone thinks it'd be a good idea to make an add-on to work with it and give it a solution once and for all.
Were I happen to have enough skills with it I could, should and would very well start such a project.

Cheers,
Marcio.
AKA Starboy
 

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Re: playing music on this new laptop

Arlene
 

, I’ve turned it off for some time.  My friend’s brother noticed it when he played music on it a few days ago.  I only had this computer for 2 months.

 

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From: Gene
Sent: May 1, 2019 9:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] playing music on this new laptop

 

I don't know what is causing the screen-reader to come from one side and the music from the other, in that case.

 

Have you tried the usual possible remedy of rebooting? 

 

When did the problem begin?  You might try running a restore point from before that time.  Aside from that, I'm not sure if I have other suggestions.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 11:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] playing music on this new laptop

 

Gene: No, the speakers are built into the computer.  I don’t have usb speakers. 

 

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From: Gene
Sent: May 1, 2019 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] playing music on this new laptop

 

Are the speakers USB speakers?  What happens if they are, if you disconnect them from the computer and connect them again, in other words, unplug the USB plug and plug it in again? 

 

While the speakers are unplugged, is sound heard through the internal speakers as it should be?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 1:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] playing music on this new laptop

 

Another thing I forgot was my friend Max who drives Handy dart he played the

Foo fighters All my life and he too said it came through one speaker and NVDA came through the  other speaker.  Only the right speaker plays the music.  He thinks I should get a Bluetooth speaker.  Otherwise I’ll blow the speakers.  This is an Acer laptop and I have realtec speakers if this is a help.

 

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From: Arlene via Groups.Io
Sent: May 1, 2019 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] playing music on this new laptop

 

Hi list: Arlene here.  I tried to fix the balance on my new laptop.  On the right speaker I can hear my music.  On the left speaker I hear NVDA coming through.  I want to hear music on both speakers.  I can get NVDA to speak through both the speakers.  I tried to balance the music on the left speaker. But the music will not move to the left speaker.  How does one do that. I did see where you can have it set to default Microsoft sound. Shell I do that and see what happens?  My room mate’s brother played his black Sabith and he discovered that only the right speaker played the music.  Do I need to get a Bluetooth speaker? Or do I set it back to Microsoft default sound or whatever it was I did see. I have realtec speakers if that is a help. Sorry for all my rambling.  I had this computer since February 27th

 

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Re: playing music on this new laptop

Gene
 

I don't know what is causing the screen-reader to come from one side and the music from the other, in that case.
 
Have you tried the usual possible remedy of rebooting? 
 
When did the problem begin?  You might try running a restore point from before that time.  Aside from that, I'm not sure if I have other suggestions.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] playing music on this new laptop

Gene: No, the speakers are built into the computer.  I don’t have usb speakers. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: May 1, 2019 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] playing music on this new laptop

 

Are the speakers USB speakers?  What happens if they are, if you disconnect them from the computer and connect them again, in other words, unplug the USB plug and plug it in again? 

 

While the speakers are unplugged, is sound heard through the internal speakers as it should be?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 1:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] playing music on this new laptop

 

Another thing I forgot was my friend Max who drives Handy dart he played the

Foo fighters All my life and he too said it came through one speaker and NVDA came through the  other speaker.  Only the right speaker plays the music.  He thinks I should get a Bluetooth speaker.  Otherwise I’ll blow the speakers.  This is an Acer laptop and I have realtec speakers if this is a help.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Arlene via Groups.Io
Sent: May 1, 2019 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] playing music on this new laptop

 

Hi list: Arlene here.  I tried to fix the balance on my new laptop.  On the right speaker I can hear my music.  On the left speaker I hear NVDA coming through.  I want to hear music on both speakers.  I can get NVDA to speak through both the speakers.  I tried to balance the music on the left speaker. But the music will not move to the left speaker.  How does one do that. I did see where you can have it set to default Microsoft sound. Shell I do that and see what happens?  My room mate’s brother played his black Sabith and he discovered that only the right speaker played the music.  Do I need to get a Bluetooth speaker? Or do I set it back to Microsoft default sound or whatever it was I did see. I have realtec speakers if that is a help. Sorry for all my rambling.  I had this computer since February 27th

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


using the spellcheck in chrome

tina sohl <tinabir80@...>
 

Hi. I'm pretty new to NVDA. i'M STARTING TO PLAY WITH IT MORE,
ESPECIALLLY WHEN USING CHROME, ANYWAY, wHEN typing a message and
neehding to fix your spelling, how do you use the spellchecker? I saw
somethhing about using google's suggestions, but couldn't find the
suggestions or how to put the corrections in to my document. How do I
dothis?
thanks
Tina


Re: playing music on this new laptop

Arlene
 

Gene: No, the speakers are built into the computer.  I don’t have usb speakers. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: May 1, 2019 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] playing music on this new laptop

 

Are the speakers USB speakers?  What happens if they are, if you disconnect them from the computer and connect them again, in other words, unplug the USB plug and plug it in again? 

 

While the speakers are unplugged, is sound heard through the internal speakers as it should be?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 1:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] playing music on this new laptop

 

Another thing I forgot was my friend Max who drives Handy dart he played the

Foo fighters All my life and he too said it came through one speaker and NVDA came through the  other speaker.  Only the right speaker plays the music.  He thinks I should get a Bluetooth speaker.  Otherwise I’ll blow the speakers.  This is an Acer laptop and I have realtec speakers if this is a help.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Arlene via Groups.Io
Sent: May 1, 2019 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] playing music on this new laptop

 

Hi list: Arlene here.  I tried to fix the balance on my new laptop.  On the right speaker I can hear my music.  On the left speaker I hear NVDA coming through.  I want to hear music on both speakers.  I can get NVDA to speak through both the speakers.  I tried to balance the music on the left speaker. But the music will not move to the left speaker.  How does one do that. I did see where you can have it set to default Microsoft sound. Shell I do that and see what happens?  My room mate’s brother played his black Sabith and he discovered that only the right speaker played the music.  Do I need to get a Bluetooth speaker? Or do I set it back to Microsoft default sound or whatever it was I did see. I have realtec speakers if that is a help. Sorry for all my rambling.  I had this computer since February 27th

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


Re: Python ide

 


Hi
After that you can press Alt+F1 to open the settings panel, then search for accessibility at the search box, and find and press spacebar to turn on this feature. I'm busy now, and I just did it for once so may be I didn't remember the correct steps to setup. Tell me and the list if you have problem with setting up VS code.
HTH
Cuong.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Python ide

Thank you. Could you guide me step by step? I have been trying for three days but couldn't setup visual studio code for python. If it is needed you may send me mail at fahim.net.2014@...


On Wed, 1 May 2019, 10:02 pm Dang Manh Cuong, <dangmanhcuong@...> wrote:
Hi
I use Visual studio code. Take a look at https://code.visualstudio.com/
May be, discuss about Python is not allowed here. I suggest you join the Python vis mailling list, a blind community of learnign Python. Take a look at https://www.freelists.org/webpage/pythonvis
Cuong
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 7:04 PM
Subject: [nvda] Python ide

Which python ide is most accessible and how to setup it?


Re: NVDA and Combo Boxes, Agreements?

Gene
 

That may be one idea behind it but I don't think it is an important one.  the screen is still organized very differently.  I think the main reason it was provided is that on pages such as web discussion forms, it is often much easier to use them when screen layout is used. 
 
I believe that in most cases, it is easier to have each link and control appear on its own line.
 
As to why you found Wikipedia more intuitive, and why you said that it took longer to read the page when screen layout is off, I'd have to know how you work with the page. 
 
The last point in my last message has nothing to do with the Internet.  I'm illustrating that having a screen-reader display or read text as a sighted person sees it isn't automatically desirable in and of itself.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Combo Boxes, Agreements?

Hi.

As it relates to your last point, I'm lost as to the purpose of what you are saying. Now, note that I said that NVDA Tries to lay out the information similarly to how sighted persons see it on a page. Screen reader users and sighted folk, obviously, use and see web pages differently, but the idea of screen layout is to provide blind persons with what can be classified as a visual layout.

For me, and this is when I just switched to NVDA, I found that this was better for my needs. On some web pages, it allowed me to quickly pass a number of links, for example, without using the N key. Form fields as well, as I knew the shortcut to move between them. Having each link on its own line, I found, made reading a page take longer, and when reading on Wikipedia, for example, was not very intuitive.

I wonder though, how many new screen readers would actually change to simple layout (turning screen layout off)?


Re: NVDA and Combo Boxes, Agreements?

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

As it relates to your last point, I'm lost as to the purpose of what you are saying. Now, note that I said that NVDA Tries to lay out the information similarly to how sighted persons see it on a page. Screen reader users and sighted folk, obviously, use and see web pages differently, but the idea of screen layout is to provide blind persons with what can be classified as a visual layout.

For me, and this is when I just switched to NVDA, I found that this was better for my needs. On some web pages, it allowed me to quickly pass a number of links, for example, without using the N key. Form fields as well, as I knew the shortcut to move between them. Having each link on its own line, I found, made reading a page take longer, and when reading on Wikipedia, for example, was not very intuitive.

I wonder though, how many new screen readers would actually change to simple layout (turning screen layout off)?


Re: Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


It was the main you tube website.


there are a few different ways to get there.


The find command is most probably the quickest. then you might have to arrow into the edit area.


going to the bottom of the page with ctrl + end then shift key + 2 will land you on that area it seems to hit it every time for me.

 Or usually the F key for form fields will get you there but you might have to do a a few times.


I think it depends what you want to do. In most cases i use the B for buttons to play them and only look around when i need to. Some times the arrow keys may be needed to get into the edit area.

Gene nz


On 2/05/2019 1:15 AM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Gene,
I believe the other Gene was talking about the "normal" YouTube and so I answered about it :)
Now, that's a good question. I really don't know whether I am right on this. We will have to wait for his confirmation...

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Em 01/05/2019 07:23, Gene disse:
What are we talking about??? The accessible Youtube site or the main site??? On the accessible site, the various items have text labels above them such as comments.?? I believe the page may list shortcuts for getting to various sections.?? If people haven't read this, its another example of why people should look around on unfamiliar pages and not assume things are of no interest.?? Its the same reason people should look at a complete e-mail message sent on whatever topic a member sends one on, on an e-mail list.?? They will see footers with all sorts of useful links such as unsubscribe, perhaps nomail links, and maybe other useful links and information.??
??
Aside from that, I didn't bother learning the shortcuts.?? I may have learned ones I was interested in if I was going to use the site at all frequently, but there is a text label above every section.?? There is a comments label.?? If you use the screen-reader's search feature from the top of the page and search for comments, you will find it efficiently.??
??
If people are talking about the Youtube web page, you may find things differently, if they are consistently accessible on different pages.?? At this point, it isn't clear who is talking about what.
??
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

Gene NZ,
Using browse mode, pressing F/shift+F (or E/shift+E), all I can get is the search field for searching a video.
No comments section at all.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Em 30/04/2019 16:56, hurrikennyandopo ... disse:

Hi


Does the E key or F key not get you to that area. I tried it with the browse mode keys and it took me there.


I am wondering when you do get to that field and it says public comment or what ever it said are you changing into focus mode just in case it is not going into the mode correctly. I guess also it depends how you have it set as well.


Gene nz


On 1/05/2019 6:21 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

I answered a similar request some weeks ago when I recommended a site designed for blind users which gives an ad free interface to search for and play YouTube videos.?? The link is:

??

http://www.povidi.com/YourTube/

??

After opening the site, use the e key to jump to the search edit box, then ??hit the spacebar to move into focus mode (unless you have auto mode switching set in NVDA).?? Type in your search criteria, then pres tab to move to a combo box where you set the number of results per page.?? Set this to 10, 20 or 50, then press tab again.?? You landin another combo box where you can choose between videos, channels or playlists (I only ever use videos which is the default).?? Tab again to the search button and press spacebar to run the search.

??

The results appear in a numbered list which you can access using the h key.?? Press this repeatedly and when you find one you want to play, press tab to move focus to it and press enter.?? A dialog box opens for the chosen video.?? Again use the h key to jup to the different sections, which include player controls, pla details, video information and video comments. You can use the b key to jump to the various player control buttons.

??

After video has played, use alt+left arrow to return to the results list dialog at the point where you left it.

??

Cheers

Chris ??

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 30 April 2019 14:46
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

??

Hi guys,
Quite a while ago I posted here about the very same subject and at that time there was a workaround that really worked like a charm.
Trouble is, it doesn't seem to work anymore.

So, would any of you happen to know of a way to get to the comments' section on a YouTube video in a reliable manner?
Lately, for me, it's been a hit and miss. And honestly, let me tell you, it has been more of a miss than a hit. Really not fun to waste so much time with something that should be easy peasy, as I like to say.

I'm sending this one to the NVDA add-ons list as well, in case someone thinks it'd be a good idea to make an add-on to work with it and give it a solution once and for all.
Were I happen to have enough skills with it I could, should and would very well start such a project.

Cheers,
Marcio.

AKA Starboy

??

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
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Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link??http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link??http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
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To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available????https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884?? How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers????https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
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To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA and Combo Boxes, Agreements?

Gene
 

I'm not advocating for it because I have used other screen-readers.  I'm advocating for it because I've tried both ways.  Also, web pages aren't
seen in browse mode by blind people the way a sighted person sees them whether this feature is on or off.  A sighted person doesn't see a cursor on a web page except when in an edit field.  Blind people in browse mode use a virtual cursor.  A sighted person doesn't have to write except when in an edit field of a web page.  He/she looks at the screen.  A blind person has to move around the screen as in a document with a virtual cursor to accomplish this.
 
Many times, people want scripts to be written to read information in a specific order and to skip information that is clutter for what they are doing. 
 
What if you are working with some sort of data base program for a job and you need to hear fields one and five and nothing else when looking at an entry.  The whole point is to customize what is read so you don't hear three items in each entry that are irrelevant to the information you need.  And if there is a sixth field, you don't want that read to distract you from the information you have heard because you don't need that information.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Combo Boxes, Agreements?

Hi.

One would argue though, that separating links and other controls on their own line is a feature rather than how a screen reader (which should try and lay out elements on a page similarly to how a sighted person sees it) should operate. Persons that normally advocate for this change are previous users of other screen readers, but I doubt that is enough to justify the change.


Re: blank lines in outlook 2016

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


usually when you read a email it is in browse mode.

To stop nvda from talking use the CTRL key. Then if you think you just missed it use the shift key + K to jump you back up to that link if that is the one you want. You can keep on repeating it until you get to it.


If in a email you can also use the letter K to jump down by links only in browse mode not in focus mode where you type.



You can use thenvda quick navigation keys that are supported in browse mode if available


Most are like K for links there may be some headings so the letter H can be used etc..

Gene nz


On 2/05/2019 1:48 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:

When you use read to end – then want to get a link to click on – how do you find the link – highlight it and then click on it.

You press esc or another key to stop the read to end – then you need to arrow around to find the link to click on. I just get blank over and over. Any other suggestions?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 7:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016

 

Why are you down arrowing through the message?  Do you have to do so for some reason?  If you use read to end, no blank lines will be spoken.

 

Gene

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Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 7:26 AM

Subject: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016

 

Hi All,

 

I have two main problems with outlook 2016 – the 32bit version that you can download and install from office 365.

 

  1. I get blank line over and over when arrowing through messages. Is there a way to ignore / compress more than one blank line in a row?
  2. Often the outlook crashes and restarts. This only happens with NVDA. I have briefed several on this list before and have sent in logs etc. Does this crashing on certain messages happen to anyone else? If I view the message by either looking at it from a forward or a reply it doesn’t crash.

Thanks so much for any input.

Sam

 

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Re: blank lines in outlook 2016

Sam Bushman
 

That is a great point. I will try to use only control to stop speech.

I have been using up arrow. Thinking if speech stops and I go up on line from where it stopped I should be in good shape.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 9:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016

 

First, it is important to use correct commands to do tasks.  Other commands may work at times but they may lead to unwanted behaviors.  One example is escape.  It is not a documented stop speech or stop read to end command.  If you use it in those ways, you may have behaviors you don't want.  You may close a dialog or something else.  If I have an opened e-mail message and I use it, the message closes.  The result is that I have to reopen the message again and I have completely lost my place.  Control is the stop speech command.  While any key will stop speech, the key will take whatever action it normally takes as well.  Stopping speech when any key is pressed is done so that old speech won't continue when you take a new action.  Control is the documented stop speech command in all screen-readers I am familiar with because control, when pressed by itself, takes no actions other than to stop speech.  it stops speech just as pressing any key does so it isn't taking that action as a control key function.  NVDA is stopping speech because a key is pressed. 

 

It is very easy to find a link if you stop speech near it.  Use the command k to move you to the next link or shift k to move you to the previous link.  If you have read the link and are passed it, shift k will take you back to it with one issuance of the command because it is the previous link. 

 

I am assuming you are reading mail as html.  If you aren't, that command won't work. 

 

You can also tab or shift tab to move to the next and previous link respectively.  However, in my e-mail program, that often takes you to a link far away from the one you want because of an alignment problem in browse mode when using the e-mail program I use.  K and shift k doesn't have that problewm.  You can experiment and see what happens in your e-mail program if you wish.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 8:48 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016

 

When you use read to end – then want to get a link to click on – how do you find the link – highlight it and then click on it.

You press esc or another key to stop the read to end – then you need to arrow around to find the link to click on. I just get blank over and over. Any other suggestions?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 7:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016

 

Why are you down arrowing through the message?  Do you have to do so for some reason?  If you use read to end, no blank lines will be spoken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 7:26 AM

Subject: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016

 

Hi All,

 

I have two main problems with outlook 2016 – the 32bit version that you can download and install from office 365.

 

  1. I get blank line over and over when arrowing through messages. Is there a way to ignore / compress more than one blank line in a row?
  2. Often the outlook crashes and restarts. This only happens with NVDA. I have briefed several on this list before and have sent in logs etc. Does this crashing on certain messages happen to anyone else? If I view the message by either looking at it from a forward or a reply it doesn’t crash.

Thanks so much for any input.

Sam

 


Re: nvda said speak characters on/off

Andre Fisher
 

You must have not read his message, but instead quickly replied. He said he tried to do so, using the NVDA+2 keyboard shortcut. However, he has failed to state which program he is not hearing characters being spoken in.


Re: NVDA and motorola CPS software.

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, I have the same problems with the software, so if anyone does make or has made an addon for this please share. I did ask on list some years ago about this and got nothing back.

On 30/04/2019 05:08, Shaun Oliver wrote:
Hi all,
I'm currently undertaking the task of programming Motorola Mototrbo radios using the CPS software. my problem is, while I can somewhat navigate through the treview when the codeplug is loaded and locate the various tick boxes and combo boxes etc, I have no idea what each option does, due to the fact that while they are labeled, they are not labeled in such a way as to allow NVDA to pick up those lables and allow me to know what each item is. Is there anybody that is competent with coding add-ons out there that can assist me with this venture? I am happy to assist in testing, but my coding skills are negligible at best and I haven't the patients to undertake such a task.
any and all help would be greatly appreciated. I did try to reach out to motorola to see if they could make the software more blind friendly, but, I have heard nothing back, so I fear we're on our own with this one.
any and all assistance would be greatly appreciated.


Re: NVDA and Combo Boxes, Agreements?

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

One would argue though, that separating links and other controls on their own line is a feature rather than how a screen reader (which should try and lay out elements on a page similarly to how a sighted person sees it) should operate. Persons that normally advocate for this change are previous users of other screen readers, but I doubt that is enough to justify the change.


Re: blank lines in outlook 2016

Gene
 

I should add that based on your description, it sounds like some incompatibility between NVDA and the e-mail program but the subject needs more discussion to do more than just say it sounds like that.  I'm not sure what questions to ask.  others may have more.
 
Gene.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016

Yes you can, however, when you press k to go from link to link it just gets
stuck on graphic and can't find the link you want - you need to press k then
down arrow then k and down arrow and - ... etc. If you try to press read all
then stop it to find a link then you just get blank line after blank line.


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Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016

can you not use the normal web shortcuts in browse mode if you display it in
html?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Bushman" <libertyroundtable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016


> When you use read to end - then want to get a link to click on - how do
> you
> find the link - highlight it and then click on it.
>
> You press esc or another key to stop the read to end - then you need to
> arrow around to find the link to click on. I just get blank over and over.
> Any other suggestions?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 7:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016
>
>
>
> Why are you down arrowing through the message?  Do you have to do so for
> some reason?  If you use read to end, no blank lines will be spoken.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Sam Bushman <mailto:libertyroundtable@...>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 7:26 AM
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
> Subject: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I have two main problems with outlook 2016 - the 32bit version that you
> can
> download and install from office 365.
>
>
>
> 1. I get blank line over and over when arrowing through messages. Is
> there a way to ignore / compress more than one blank line in a row?
> 2. Often the outlook crashes and restarts. This only happens with NVDA.
> I have briefed several on this list before and have sent in logs etc. Does
> this crashing on certain messages happen to anyone else? If I view the
> message by either looking at it from a forward or a reply it doesn't
> crash.
>
> Thanks so much for any input.
>
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>







Re: blank lines in outlook 2016

Gene
 

K should never stop on a graphic and repeating k should move you from link to link.  are these graphics or links that say graphic?  At this point, I can't tell if the problem is how NVDA works in a certain e-mail program or something about the messages?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016

Yes you can, however, when you press k to go from link to link it just gets
stuck on graphic and can't find the link you want - you need to press k then
down arrow then k and down arrow and - ... etc. If you try to press read all
then stop it to find a link then you just get blank line after blank line.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016

can you not use the normal web shortcuts in browse mode if you display it in
html?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Bushman" <libertyroundtable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016


> When you use read to end - then want to get a link to click on - how do
> you
> find the link - highlight it and then click on it.
>
> You press esc or another key to stop the read to end - then you need to
> arrow around to find the link to click on. I just get blank over and over.
> Any other suggestions?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 7:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016
>
>
>
> Why are you down arrowing through the message?  Do you have to do so for
> some reason?  If you use read to end, no blank lines will be spoken.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Sam Bushman <mailto:libertyroundtable@...>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 7:26 AM
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
> Subject: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I have two main problems with outlook 2016 - the 32bit version that you
> can
> download and install from office 365.
>
>
>
> 1. I get blank line over and over when arrowing through messages. Is
> there a way to ignore / compress more than one blank line in a row?
> 2. Often the outlook crashes and restarts. This only happens with NVDA.
> I have briefed several on this list before and have sent in logs etc. Does
> this crashing on certain messages happen to anyone else? If I view the
> message by either looking at it from a forward or a reply it doesn't
> crash.
>
> Thanks so much for any input.
>
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>







Re: blank lines in outlook 2016

Sam Bushman
 

Agreed!

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 2:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016

 

Perhaps it should be suggested that a setting be adopted that would skip blank lines. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016

 

If you want to locate bits to cut and paste as I do all the time for scripts
for readers the blank line can become just a little annoying!
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016


Why are you down arrowing through the message?  Do you have to do so for
some reason?  If you use read to end, no blank lines will be spoken.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Sam Bushman
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 7:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] blank lines in outlook 2016


Hi All,



I have two main problems with outlook 2016 - the 32bit version that you can
download and install from office 365.



  1.. I get blank line over and over when arrowing through messages. Is
there a way to ignore / compress more than one blank line in a row?
  2.. Often the outlook crashes and restarts. This only happens with NVDA. I
have briefed several on this list before and have sent in logs etc. Does
this crashing on certain messages happen to anyone else? If I view the
message by either looking at it from a forward or a reply it doesn't crash.
Thanks so much for any input.

Sam