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Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Carlos,


Why did you post this item about list moderators in the  thread concerning the submit button issue?  Sounds like hijacking to me!


On 9/26/2018 12:37 PM, Carlos wrote:

    Is it not the responsibility of those who read these post to decide if they want to click on unfamiliar web links?

    If the list is monitored by moderators is it not their responsibility to make sure that all posts that contain web links be checked before allowing such posts on the list?

    It should be mandatory that all posts on the list which contain web links be thoroughly checked out before being allowed on the list.

    On more than one occasion posts have gotten on this list which should have been checked out by moderators before having ever been allowed on the list!

    There should be some kind of filtering rules set up to make sure that posts that have web links be kept out until the moderators checked them out.

    List moderators need to look at all the changes that are happening all over the internet to monitor content before it ever gets to anyone's browsers!

    And yes! I know that I will be called into the principal's office for having posted this publicly on the list for everyone to read!  However, we all need to ask the moderators to keep the list as uncluttered as possible!


On 9/26/2018 8:04 AM, Gene wrote:
That's largely because of poor training, however.  Not for everything, but for a lot of what people do, you can learn perhaps ten or fifteen commands that are different for a different screen-reader and do a lot of what you could do before.  Most of what people do uses Windows or program commands.  a different screen-reader may use different screen review commands and a different command for read title bar and certain other commands, but a lot of what people do would be the same because a lot of what is done doesn't use screen-reader commands.
 
Gene
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Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Although this concept of using multiple screenreaders is okay for those of us who can do that, but if it comes to that as generally accepted practice, then the majority of users are left behind.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

 

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 08:58 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:

Simply told, the procedure is unaccessible so cal your bank and tel them.

Not that I don't think this is a good idea, because it is, but you also have to understand that accessibility will always be, to some extent, a game of catch up.

Web coding keeps changing at blinding speed, and that's not going to stop.  Sometimes it's a matter of the screen readers catching up to it, and particularly when the reason for doing a certain thing a certain way revolves around increased security.

It's really generally helpful to check to see if what doesn't work under one screen reader might work under another if you happen to have a system with two or more screen readers available.  That can help to tease out where the issue might lie.
 
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Re: O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

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I'd also suggest Jonathan Mosen, contact him via mosen consulting. He has been involved with lots of projects and also has a good knowledge about voice over on apple and other platforms.
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From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis


Hi,
Please tell your friend to interview the following people: Travis Siegal (who is a member of this list I believe and familiar with Window Bridge), Ted Henter (JAWS creator), Doug Gefrey (Window-Eyes and Vocal Eyes), Marc Mulcahy (various projects), Matt Campbell (System Access), Eric Damery (Vfo/Vispero), Doug Lee (scripting), Mick (NV Access), Jeff Bishop (Microsoft and advocacy leadership), and if your friend wants to, me (NVDA and latest developments).
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@...
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:36:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Well, they go back as far as DOS, there's a lot of brands.
Try the NFB, they should have a historical perspective.
Glenn

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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Hello all,

Please, forgive this O.T. This is the only list I'm on, so I thought of asking here.

A friend of mine, her ein Italy, has been assigned a thesis on the history and evolution of screen readers for Windows.

She doesn't seem to find any suitable material.

Would anyone have any suggestions as to where to look for some documentation that might help her?

I know the request is a bit vague, but that's all I ahve for now.

Thanks in advance.

Ciao,
Ollie







Re: Tracking focus in Windows Explorer

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This I believe is a windows issue. Jaws has similar issues.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Tracking focus in Windows Explorer


On rare occasions when I delete a file or close a window I get silence from NVDA. even when i tab. I have to change virtual desktops to get speech back.
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tracking focus in Windows Explorer


I often have nothing read when I open a folder in Windows 7. The information you provide may allow a technically interesting discussion about the problem, but as a practical matter, just down and up arrowing once will place you on the first item and it will be spoken. It may be that pressing the space bar will also cause this item to be spoken, I don't recall if I've ever tried it. both actions will select the item as well. Also, first letter navigation or typing more than the first letter of a name will move you to the folder or file and cause it to be read.

I can't comment about whether this problem occurs in Windows 10 because I don't use it. I suspect it does.

If a folder only has one item in it, I don't know what down and up arrowing once does. I have no such folders.

Gene
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From: Felix G.
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 9:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Tracking focus in Windows Explorer


Hello,
I know I'm probably being pedantic here but I'd like to ask if anyone
else has observed the following:
This happens in Windows Explorer. When I arrow to a folder and hit
enter, in most cases NVDA will announce the first item in the folder,
which is correct behavior as it has focus. However, in some cases it
will remain silent. Then, if I hit NVDA+F1 to get info on the current
navigator object, I get the following:
Developer info for navigator object:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <baseObject.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x051C1CB0>
Python class mro: (<class 'baseObject.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class
'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class
'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 2324) at
address 52f4d70>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 984864
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x3c49500 at 53194e0>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (2324, 224670096, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:2324,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent
link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available:

A similarly enigmatic object is reached when hitting enter on an empty folder:
Developer info for navigator object:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <baseObject.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x05453290>
Python class mro: (<class 'baseObject.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class
'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class
'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 2324) at
address 52f4d70>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 984608
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x3c495c0 at 546fad0>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (2324, 162798944, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:2324,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent
link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available:

The empty folder behavior is not that much of a problem for me but the
one I described first bothers me to some degree as it is
nondeterministic, that is, it will seemingly randomly show up, leading
me to believe a folder is empty when it isn't.
Best,
Felix

Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I don't know quite what happened.  I had called the bank yesterday and they said they would refer it to their IT department and that the department would call me back.  They never did call me back, but this morning when I tried to log in, the submit button worked. I don't know whether they updated their architecture in the past few days and introduced some sort of coding violation or whatever and then it was brought to their attention and they

fixed it.  I guess I'm all right for now until the next change on the page.


BTW, I am wondering just where the information for this 2 step log-in is kept in the browser.  Whenever I uninstall, reinstall or refresh Firefox, I never lose log-in or password information as such.  I am wondering just where the second step log in information (the graphic and the self chosen captcha word) is stored in Firefox.  Or could it be in the registry?




On 9/26/2018 9:47 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 08:58 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:
Simply told, the procedure is unaccessible so cal your bank and tel them.
Not that I don't think this is a good idea, because it is, but you also have to understand that accessibility will always be, to some extent, a game of catch up.

Web coding keeps changing at blinding speed, and that's not going to stop.  Sometimes it's a matter of the screen readers catching up to it, and particularly when the reason for doing a certain thing a certain way revolves around increased security.

It's really generally helpful to check to see if what doesn't work under one screen reader might work under another if you happen to have a system with two or more screen readers available.  That can help to tease out where the issue might lie.
 
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Re: Tracking focus in Windows Explorer

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Yup been there got that.

I think it is lagging somewhere in the system.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:14 PM
Subject: [nvda] Tracking focus in Windows Explorer


Hello,
I know I'm probably being pedantic here but I'd like to ask if anyone
else has observed the following:
This happens in Windows Explorer. When I arrow to a folder and hit
enter, in most cases NVDA will announce the first item in the folder,
which is correct behavior as it has focus. However, in some cases it
will remain silent. Then, if I hit NVDA+F1 to get info on the current
navigator object, I get the following:
Developer info for navigator object:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <baseObject.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x051C1CB0>
Python class mro: (<class 'baseObject.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class
'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class
'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 2324) at
address 52f4d70>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 984864
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x3c49500 at 53194e0>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (2324, 224670096, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:2324,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent
link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available:

A similarly enigmatic object is reached when hitting enter on an empty folder:
Developer info for navigator object:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <baseObject.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x05453290>
Python class mro: (<class 'baseObject.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class
'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class
'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 2324) at
address 52f4d70>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 984608
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x3c495c0 at 546fad0>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (2324, 162798944, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:2324,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent
link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available:

The empty folder behavior is not that much of a problem for me but the
one I described first bothers me to some degree as it is
nondeterministic, that is, it will seemingly randomly show up, leading
me to believe a folder is empty when it isn't.
Best,
Felix

Re: BBC Web site has been changed again

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Unfortunately I need certain podcasts for the talking newspaper.
Eventually I woke somebody up who put up the podcast after a long wait. However I often use the radio 9 player as its just far more convenient than the bbc overcluttered over featured web site for listening and can also save an mp3 version of a show if you want to keep it.

If nobody else is having issue with the log in on the bbc I'll get some sighted help to see what is really going on.
Bah humbug.
Brian

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] BBC Web site has been changed again


I don't even bother with the BBC site. I'll probably just get rid of those
programs since I don't really use them anyway.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] BBC Web site has been changed again

It seems dear reader that the bbc web site even for people in the UK is
asking you to log in, but my credentials are regected. After some messing
about it seems unable to be satisfied. it took my re registration then asked
me to sign in, and then said it was invalid as it needed a character which
was not a letter. So back we go and try re registering and add a number we
then get invalid characters in your password.
I know its probably not NVDA related unless my computer is sending
something not told to me, but this is merely the radio I player, a service
in the UK which has no age limit or licence requirements and used, until
today be just accessible and palyayable.
Why web sites seem to think they can mess people about I have no idea.
It wants age date of birth post code etc, which is silly for radio catch
up.
This has also stopped the Web Ie utility from working as well as it cannot
download the program list any more.
I do sometimes winder if those who build site think before they do stuff.
I also understand that the new site from my energy supplier is now
completely inaccessible as well.
Oh its no my day. Amazon Echo went off line about 9 am and is still down.
I think I'll go for a lie down.
Brian

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Re: Problem with nvda.

 

Hello Nika,
Did you and your friend solve the problem?
Did you try to check the key combination in the input gestures menu?
Also, just saying, I tried capslock+down arrow to see what happens and NVDA behaved the same way. This should be the cause of the problem.
When we say NVDA key we are saying insert or capslock and it depends on what configuration your friend uses.
Maybe you already know it but as I wrote before, just saying.
Em 26/09/2018 15:32, Nika Tsiklauri escreveu:

hello. thanks for your answer. she is using the desktop keyboard layout.
thanks
nick.


Re: NVDA 2018.3.1 Sluggish

Mário Navarro
 

Yes, I'm with the 2018.3.2

Cheers.


Às 19:09 de 26/09/2018, Rui Fontes escreveu:

Have all of you installed 2018.3.2?

Rui Fontes


Às 18:59 de 26/09/2018, Mário Navarro escreveu:



Hi.
Yes, I have that issue too.
And in browsers in HTML content, it's even worse...
But this issue is not new in this version of NVDA. It's coming from the previous version.
and has not been resolved on this update.
It's really annoying.
cheers.


Às 16:32 de 26/09/2018, Cearbhall O'Meadhra escreveu:

Hi all,

Since installing Version 2018.3.1 on my Windows 10 PC, I find that the system keeps pausing as if something is buffering.

For instance, when I read a document, If I arrow down line by line, or if I arrow down a long list of filenames, NVDA pauses and goes silent so that I think it has stopped and then suddenly carries on with the list as the arrow continues down the list. If I don’t stop arrowing then NVDA comes back at the point where the cursor is active and so misses the lines that I moved over while it was buffering.


Is this usual? Is there anything that I can check that could be causing this behaviour? It is very annoying!

In the attached view log I can see how uneven the timings are between similar keystrokes.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
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Re: Problem with nvda.

Nika Tsiklauri
 

hello. thanks for your answer. she is using the desktop keyboard layout.
thanks
nick.

Re: NVDA 2018.3.1 Sluggish

Rui Fontes
 

Have all of you installed 2018.3.2?

Rui Fontes


Às 18:59 de 26/09/2018, Mário Navarro escreveu:

Hi.
Yes, I have that issue too.
And in browsers in HTML content, it's even worse...
But this issue is not new in this version of NVDA. It's coming from the previous version.
and has not been resolved on this update.
It's really annoying.
cheers.
Às 16:32 de 26/09/2018, Cearbhall O'Meadhra escreveu:

Hi all,

Since installing Version 2018.3.1 on my Windows 10 PC, I find that the system keeps pausing as if something is buffering.

For instance, when I read a document, If I arrow down line by line, or if I arrow down a long list of filenames, NVDA pauses and goes silent so that I think it has stopped and then suddenly carries on with the list as the arrow continues down the list. If I don’t stop arrowing then NVDA comes back at the point where the cursor is active and so misses the lines that I moved over while it was buffering.


Is this usual? Is there anything that I can check that could be causing this behaviour? It is very annoying!

In the attached view log I can see how uneven the timings are between similar keystrokes.

All the best,

Cearbhall

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Re: NVDA 2018.3.1 Sluggish

Mário Navarro
 




Hi.
Yes, I have that issue too.
And in browsers in HTML content, it's even worse...
But this issue is not new in this version of NVDA. It's coming from the previous version.
and has not been resolved on this update.
It's really annoying.
cheers.


Às 16:32 de 26/09/2018, Cearbhall O'Meadhra escreveu:

Hi all,

 

Since installing Version 2018.3.1 on my Windows 10 PC, I find that the system keeps pausing as if something is buffering.

 

For instance, when I read a document, If I arrow down line by line, or if I arrow down a long list of filenames, NVDA pauses and goes silent so that I think it has stopped and then suddenly carries on with the list as the arrow continues down the list. If I dont stop arrowing then NVDA comes back at the point where the cursor is active and so misses the lines that I moved over while it was buffering.


Is this usual? Is there anything that I can check that could be causing this behaviour? It is very annoying!

 

In the attached view log I can see how uneven the timings are between similar keystrokes.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: NVDA 2018.3.1 Sluggish

Jackie
 

I, to, am having similar problems w/this last update, Cearbhall.

On 9/26/18, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:
Hi all,



Since installing Version 2018.3.1 on my Windows 10 PC, I find that the
system keeps pausing as if something is buffering.



For instance, when I read a document, If I arrow down line by line, or if I
arrow down a long list of filenames, NVDA pauses and goes silent so that I
think it has stopped and then suddenly carries on with the list as the
arrow
continues down the list. If I don't stop arrowing then NVDA comes back at
the point where the cursor is active and so misses the lines that I moved
over while it was buffering.


Is this usual? Is there anything that I can check that could be causing
this
behaviour? It is very annoying!



In the attached view log I can see how uneven the timings are between
similar keystrokes.



All the best,



Cearbhall



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Re: NVDA 2018.3.2 is out!

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,

 

I just downloaded NVDA latest version and it's working great for me. Thanks so much for all the fine work you all do for us.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 1:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.2 is out!

 

We are busy at the moment, ladies and gentlemen!

 

Announcing NVDA 2018.3.2 for your downloading and enjoyment.

 

As usual, being a "point" release, it only addresses one specific, but severe crash - this time, a crash in Google Chrome when navigating tweets on the Twitter website.

 

NVDA should offer the update the first time you start it tomorrow, otherwise you can manually check for updates, or head over to the regular download page to grab it: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/

 

Don't forget to catch up on yesterday's In-Process (also updated) and be sure you have Joseph Lee's NVDA Remote update to work with the new version: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-25-september-2018/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 


 

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Re: O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Mallard
 

People,


You're all fantastic! Thanks... I agree, Susan. it's a great topic.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 26/09/2018 18:58, Susan Gerhart ha scritto:
Try these podcasts with episodes interviwing pioneers:

Eyes On Success, Tech Doctor, Blind Cool Tech, Accessible World

American Printing House for Blind goes way back as does the CSUN
Annual Conference and Jim Thatcher at IBM Austin

That's a great thesis topic!

Susan G
blog: AsYourWorldChanges.wordpress.com


Re: BBC Web site has been changed again

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I don't even bother with the BBC site. I'll probably just get rid of those
programs since I don't really use them anyway.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] BBC Web site has been changed again

It seems dear reader that the bbc web site even for people in the UK is
asking you to log in, but my credentials are regected. After some messing
about it seems unable to be satisfied. it took my re registration then asked
me to sign in, and then said it was invalid as it needed a character which
was not a letter. So back we go and try re registering and add a number we
then get invalid characters in your password.
I know its probably not NVDA related unless my computer is sending
something not told to me, but this is merely the radio I player, a service
in the UK which has no age limit or licence requirements and used, until
today be just accessible and palyayable.
Why web sites seem to think they can mess people about I have no idea.
It wants age date of birth post code etc, which is silly for radio catch
up.
This has also stopped the Web Ie utility from working as well as it cannot
download the program list any more.
I do sometimes winder if those who build site think before they do stuff.
I also understand that the new site from my energy supplier is now
completely inaccessible as well.
Oh its no my day. Amazon Echo went off line about 9 am and is still down.
I think I'll go for a lie down.
Brian

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Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

You're being called into the principal's office right now. Since when did you become the moderator? I supose now you'll put us all on moderated status--hahahahahahahahaha.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 9:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

 

    Is it not the responsibility of those who read these post to decide if they want to click on unfamiliar web links?

    If the list is monitored by moderators is it not their responsibility to make sure that all posts that contain web links be checked before allowing such posts on the list?

    It should be mandatory that all posts on the list which contain web links be thoroughly checked out before being allowed on the list.

    On more than one occasion posts have gotten on this list which should have been checked out by moderators before having ever been allowed on the list!

    There should be some kind of filtering rules set up to make sure that posts that have web links be kept out until the moderators checked them out.

    List moderators need to look at all the changes that are happening all over the internet to monitor content before it ever gets to anyone's browsers!

    And yes! I know that I will be called into the principal's office for having posted this publicly on the list for everyone to read!  However, we all need to ask the moderators to keep the list as uncluttered as possible!

 

On 9/26/2018 8:04 AM, Gene wrote:

That's largely because of poor training, however.  Not for everything, but for a lot of what people do, you can learn perhaps ten or fifteen commands that are different for a different screen-reader and do a lot of what you could do before.  Most of what people do uses Windows or program commands.  a different screen-reader may use different screen review commands and a different command for read title bar and certain other commands, but a lot of what people do would be the same because a lot of what is done doesn't use screen-reader commands.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 9:43 AM

Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

 

Although this concept of using multiple screenreaders is okay for those of us who can do that, but if it comes to that as generally accepted practice, then the majority of users are left behind.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

 

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 08:58 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:

Simply told, the procedure is unaccessible so cal your bank and tel them.

Not that I don't think this is a good idea, because it is, but you also have to understand that accessibility will always be, to some extent, a game of catch up.

Web coding keeps changing at blinding speed, and that's not going to stop.  Sometimes it's a matter of the screen readers catching up to it, and particularly when the reason for doing a certain thing a certain way revolves around increased security.

It's really generally helpful to check to see if what doesn't work under one screen reader might work under another if you happen to have a system with two or more screen readers available.  That can help to tease out where the issue might lie.
 
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Re: Problem with nvda.

Rui Fontes
 

In laptop keyboard scheme is CapsLock+A...

Rui


Às 17:23 de 26/09/2018, Nika Tsiklauri escreveu:

Hello everyone! a friend of mine has the strange problem with NVDA. NVDA key + down arrow doesn't work as expected. It only reads one line and then stops reading. Any ideas how it can be fixed?
Thanks in advance,
Nick.

Re: O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Susan Gerhart
 

Try these podcasts with episodes interviwing pioneers:

Eyes On Success, Tech Doctor, Blind Cool Tech, Accessible World

American Printing House for Blind goes way back as does the CSUN
Annual Conference and Jim Thatcher at IBM Austin

That's a great thesis topic!

Susan G
blog: AsYourWorldChanges.wordpress.com

Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

E.T.
 

Given the very high traffic, you want the mods to check/test every single link in every post? And every member of this list to be put on moderated status? (smiles)

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On 9/26/2018 9:37 AM, Carlos wrote:
    Is it not the responsibility of those who read these post to decide if they want to click on unfamiliar web links?
    If the list is monitored by moderators is it not their responsibility to make sure that all posts that contain web links be checked before allowing such posts on the list?
    It should be mandatory that all posts on the list which contain web links be thoroughly checked out before being allowed on the list.
    On more than one occasion posts have gotten on this list which should have been checked out by moderators before having ever been allowed on the list!
    There should be some kind of filtering rules set up to make sure that posts that have web links be kept out until the moderators checked them out.
    List moderators need to look at all the changes that are happening all over the internet to monitor content before it ever gets to anyone's browsers!
    And yes! I know that I will be called into the principal's office for having posted this publicly on the list for everyone to read!
However, we all need to ask the moderators to keep the list as uncluttered as possible!
On 9/26/2018 8:04 AM, Gene wrote:
That's largely because of poor training, however.  Not for everything, but for a lot of what people do, you can learn perhaps ten or fifteen commands that are different for a different screen-reader and do a lot of what you could do before.  Most of what people do uses Windows or program commands.  a different screen-reader may use different screen review commands and a different command for read title bar and certain other commands, but a lot of what people do would be the same because a lot of what is done doesn't use screen-reader commands.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Ervin, Glenn <mailto:glenn.ervin@...>
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 26, 2018 9:43 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Although this concept of using multiple screenreaders is okay for those of us who can do that, but if it comes to that as generally accepted practice, then the majority of users are left behind.

Glenn

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 26, 2018 8:48 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 08:58 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:

Simply told, the procedure is unaccessible so cal your bank and
tel them.

Not that I don't think this is a good idea, because it is, but you also have to understand that accessibility will always be, to some extent, a game of catch up.

Web coding keeps changing at blinding speed, and that's not going to stop.  Sometimes it's a matter of the screen readers catching up to it, and particularly when the reason for doing a certain thing a certain way revolves around increased security.

It's really generally helpful to check to see if what doesn't work under one screen reader might work under another if you happen to have a system with two or more screen readers available.  That can help to tease out where the issue might lie.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

/The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . ./

           ~ Bertrand Russell
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Re: Problem with nvda.

 

Have you tried to check the command associated to this combination keys?
You can do it simply going to the input gestures option, which you can find at the preferences NVDA menu.
Also, it'd be interesting to verify the keyboard layout.

Em 26/09/2018 13:23, Nika Tsiklauri escreveu:

Hello everyone! a friend of mine has the strange problem with NVDA. NVDA key + down arrow doesn't work as expected. It only reads one line and then stops reading. Any ideas how it can be fixed?
Thanks in advance,
Nick.