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Re: NVDA and icons in the system tray

Kevin Cussick
 

this does not work for me, using windows10 home 64 bit and latest alpha nvda and yes I have tried this with the stable build.

On 23/03/2019 19:30, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Kostadian,
I am using Windows 10 latest update with NVDA 2018.4 latest stable release and I am able to access my One Drive icon with no problem. There is an add on that simulates the JAWS equivalent with the NVDA + F11 keystroke, but even without the add on, if you do the following, you get the interface displayed.
1.  Press Windows + B to move to the system tray.
2.  Move to the open drive icon.
3.  Route your mouse cursor to the application cursor with NVDA + numpad slash.
4.  initiate a right click with numpad star and a menu opens.
If you have the add on it's much simpler.
Press NVDA + F11, use first letter navigation to move to the open drive icon and tab to the right click item and press enter.
On 3/23/2019 2:23 PM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

NVDA seams to have problems activating some icons in the system tray, for example the one for OneDrive. At first I thought that it was not a NVDA specific issue but a global screen reader / accessibility one, but after testing with Narrator as well, it turns out that at least the problem with OneDrive's system tray icon is specific to NVDA (Narrator is not affected).

To reproduce the issue, I press Windows+B to go to the system tray. I use up/down arrow keys to move the focus to the OneDrive's icon (OneDrive must be running). Then I press the space key to simulate a single left click with the mouse. All those are Windows and not NVDA commands. With Narrator, this works as expected and the pop-up window for OneDrive appears. With NVDA however, nothing happens. A person which cannot see the screen would wonder why it is so - what is different. I have some vision left and can see what's going on. For some reason, when pressing Windows+B and the system focus gets moved to the system tray area, NVDA also moves the mouse cursor there and for some reason, that causes the failure of the execution of the command with the spacebar to simulate a single left mouse click. With Narrator and with no screen reader running, the mouse cursor does not get moved to the system tray when the system focus gets moved there and the command gets executed correctly and the OneDrive pop-up window appears as it should.

So, does anyone (specially the NVDA developers) know why NVDA moves the mouse cursor to the system tray area when the system focus gets moved there? Because apparently this causes problems with some icons in the system tray. And now that I think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if the appearance of the problematic so called "Network Flyout" pop-up window under Windows 7 is caused by this behavior as well.

P.S.: I'm not asking for help/assistance with workarounds to activate such "problematic" icons in the system tray - I know how to handle them, including with the "SysTrayList" add-on for NVDA. This is not the purpose of this message. I'm asking why NVDA is causing the explained above behavior of the mouse when pressing Windows+B.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: NVDA and icons in the system tray

Kevin Cussick
 

Yes, but it does nothing on the one drive system icon.

On 23/03/2019 18:58, Rui Fontes wrote:
Because of that the Systray addon was develloped...
Many times it is possible through the icons list activate that not cooperative buttons...
Rui Fontes
Às 18:52 de 23/03/2019, Gene escreveu:
I have seen this problem that occurs no matter how you try to activate one of the icons.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sarah k Alawami <mailto:marrie12@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2019 1:49 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA and icons in the system tray

What happens if you hit enter or hit shift f10? Both shoudl do what you want to do.

Take care

On 23 Mar 2019, at 11:23, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

    Hello all,

    NVDA seams to have problems activating some icons in the system
    tray, for example the one for OneDrive. At first I thought that it
    was not a NVDA specific issue but a global screen reader /
    accessibility one, but after testing with Narrator as well, it turns
    out that at least the problem with OneDrive's system tray icon is
    specific to NVDA (Narrator is not affected).

    To reproduce the issue, I press Windows+B to go to the system tray.
    I use up/down arrow keys to move the focus to the OneDrive's icon
    (OneDrive must be running). Then I press the space key to simulate a
    single left click with the mouse. All those are Windows and not NVDA
    commands. With Narrator, this works as expected and the pop-up
    window for OneDrive appears. With NVDA however, nothing happens. A
    person which cannot see the screen would wonder why it is so - what
    is different. I have some vision left and can see what's going on.
    For some reason, when pressing Windows+B and the system focus gets
    moved to the system tray area, NVDA also moves the mouse cursor
    there and for some reason, that causes the failure of the execution
    of the command with the spacebar to simulate a single left mouse
    click. With Narrator and with no screen reader running, the mouse
    cursor does not get moved to the system tray when the system focus
    gets moved there and the command gets executed correctly and the
    OneDrive pop-up window appears as it should.

    So, does anyone (specially the NVDA developers) know why NVDA moves
    the mouse cursor to the system tray area when the system focus gets
    moved there? Because apparently this causes problems with some icons
    in the system tray. And now that I think of it, I wouldn't be
    surprised if the appearance of the problematic so called "Network
    Flyout" pop-up window under Windows 7 is caused by this behavior as
    well.

    P.S.: I'm not asking for help/assistance with workarounds to
    activate such "problematic" icons in the system tray - I know how to
    handle them, including with the "SysTrayList" add-on for NVDA. This
    is not the purpose of this message. I'm asking why NVDA is causing
    the explained above behavior of the mouse when pressing Windows+B.

    Thanks much in advance!

    ______
    Best wishes,
    Kostadin Kolev


Re: NVDA and icons in the system tray

Kevin Cussick
 

In my case nothing.

On 23/03/2019 18:49, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
What happens if you hit enter or hit shift f10? Both shoudl do what you want to do.
Take care
On 23 Mar 2019, at 11:23, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

NVDA seams to have problems activating some icons in the system tray, for example the one for OneDrive. At first I thought that it was not a NVDA specific issue but a global screen reader / accessibility one, but after testing with Narrator as well, it turns out that at least the problem with OneDrive's system tray icon is specific to NVDA (Narrator is not affected).

To reproduce the issue, I press Windows+B to go to the system tray. I use up/down arrow keys to move the focus to the OneDrive's icon (OneDrive must be running). Then I press the space key to simulate a single left click with the mouse. All those are Windows and not NVDA commands. With Narrator, this works as expected and the pop-up window for OneDrive appears. With NVDA however, nothing happens. A person which cannot see the screen would wonder why it is so - what is different. I have some vision left and can see what's going on. For some reason, when pressing Windows+B and the system focus gets moved to the system tray area, NVDA also moves the mouse cursor there and for some reason, that causes the failure of the execution of the command with the spacebar to simulate a single left mouse click. With Narrator and with no screen reader running, the mouse cursor does not get moved to the system tray when the system focus gets moved there and the command gets executed correctly and the OneDrive pop-up window appears as it should.

So, does anyone (specially the NVDA developers) know why NVDA moves the mouse cursor to the system tray area when the system focus gets moved there? Because apparently this causes problems with some icons in the system tray. And now that I think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if the appearance of the problematic so called "Network Flyout" pop-up window under Windows 7 is caused by this behavior as well.

P.S.: I'm not asking for help/assistance with workarounds to activate such "problematic" icons in the system tray - I know how to handle them, including with the "SysTrayList" add-on for NVDA. This is not the purpose of this message. I'm asking why NVDA is causing the explained above behavior of the mouse when pressing Windows+B.

Thanks much in advance!


______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: NVDA and icons in the system tray

Kevin Cussick
 

I have meant to report this about the one drive problem for ages but just keep forgetting. anyway Now I am just saying the same as has been reported.

On 23/03/2019 18:41, Jackie wrote:
Kostadin, just curious--do you have mouse tracking on in NVDA?
Insert-m toggles it.
On 3/23/19, Kostadin Kolev <k.kolev1985@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,

NVDA seams to have problems activating some icons in the system tray, for
example the one for OneDrive. At first I thought that it was not a NVDA
specific issue but a global screen reader / accessibility one, but after
testing with Narrator as well, it turns out that at least the problem with
OneDrive's system tray icon is specific to NVDA (Narrator is not affected).

To reproduce the issue, I press Windows+B to go to the system tray. I use
up/down arrow keys to move the focus to the OneDrive's icon (OneDrive must
be running). Then I press the space key to simulate a single left click with
the mouse. All those are Windows and not NVDA commands. With Narrator, this
works as expected and the pop-up window for OneDrive appears. With NVDA
however, nothing happens. A person which cannot see the screen would wonder
why it is so - what is different. I have some vision left and can see what's
going on. For some reason, when pressing Windows+B and the system focus gets
moved to the system tray area, NVDA also moves the mouse cursor there and
for some reason, that causes the failure of the execution of the command
with the spacebar to simulate a single left mouse click. With Narrator and
with no screen reader running, the mouse cursor does not get moved to the
system tray when the system focus gets moved there and the command gets
executed correctly and the OneDrive pop-up window appears as it should.

So, does anyone (specially the NVDA developers) know why NVDA moves the
mouse cursor to the system tray area when the system focus gets moved there?
Because apparently this causes problems with some icons in the system tray.
And now that I think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if the appearance of the
problematic so called "Network Flyout" pop-up window under Windows 7 is
caused by this behavior as well.

P.S.: I'm not asking for help/assistance with workarounds to activate such
"problematic" icons in the system tray - I know how to handle them,
including with the "SysTrayList" add-on for NVDA. This is not the purpose of
this message. I'm asking why NVDA is causing the explained above behavior of
the mouse when pressing Windows+B.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: Strange clock reading

Ian Westerland
 

Yes, it was. I am using the latest Addon and the issue this time is not an every day occurrence.

Ian

On 3/24/2019 2:16 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I thought that was fixed in the last update about 2 months ago maybe? Have you checked for updates for said add on?
On 23 Mar 2019, at 6:19, Ian Westerland wrote:
Hi. The NVDA Clock has started to read strangely. The issue is that
when the time reaches 0:0 it speaks 0:0 But then, for some reason,
for the remainder of the hour, it reads 24: then the minutes up to
59. After 24:59 the clock reverts to 01: and the time is right after
that.
Not sure what is causing this and I haven't done anything unusual
with my PC to make this happen.
Any clues?
Cheers.
Ian Westerland


Re: Strange clock reading

Ian Westerland
 

Yes, you're right. It is the Addon and the issue doesn't happen every day.

On 3/24/2019 2:13 AM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
I guess you are referring to the clock addon rather than nvda itself
If I remember correctly there was a issue at some time but a update to the addon fixed this issue
But if you are running the latest version then you should contact the developer for help
*From: *Ian Westerland <mailto:iwesterl@bigpond.net.au>
*Sent: *23 March 2019 13:19
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] Strange clock reading
Hi.  The NVDA Clock has started to read strangely.  The issue is that
when the time reaches 0:0 it speaks 0:0 But then, for some reason, for
the remainder of the hour, it reads 24: then the minutes up to 59.
After 24:59 the clock reverts to 01: and the time is right after that.
Not sure what is causing this and I haven't done anything unusual with
my PC to make this happen.
Any clues?
Cheers.
Ian Westerland


It Happened Again

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

I connect my BrailleNote Touch to my  computer via Bluetooth, so I don't think I'm using a driver. Since the problem occurs most of the time in Word, I'll try loading it without braille connected and see if that makes a difference. Thanks to all of you for your suggestions.

Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author https://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
abbietaylor945@gmail.com
Order my new memoir at http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com/memoir.htm

--
Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@gmail.com


My Log from Yesterday

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

This is in response to the first of two logs I posted here yesterday after my computer crashed twice the day before. I suspect my Braille display is causing the problem, since I intermittently lose NVDA when it's connected. Here's an interesting thing, though. Firefox hasn't been working since those two crashes a couple of days ago. I was attempting to open Firefox when the crashes occurred, so that may have been the cause there. In any case, everything's working fine now, and I think I'll use Chrome from now on.

Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author https://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
abbietaylor945@gmail.com
Order my new memoir at http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com/memoir.htm

--
Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@gmail.com


Re: NVDA and icons in the system tray

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Kostadian,


I am using Windows 10 latest update with NVDA 2018.4 latest stable release and I am able to access my One Drive icon with no problem.  There is an add on that simulates the JAWS equivalent with the NVDA + F11 keystroke, but even without the add on, if you do the following, you get the interface displayed.

1.  Press Windows + B to move to the system tray.

2.  Move to the open drive icon.

3.  Route your mouse cursor to the application cursor with NVDA + numpad slash.

4.  initiate a right click with numpad star and a menu opens.


If you have the add on it's much simpler.

Press NVDA + F11, use first letter navigation to move to the open drive icon and tab to the right click item and press enter.




On 3/23/2019 2:23 PM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

NVDA seams to have problems activating some icons in the system tray, for example the one for OneDrive. At first I thought that it was not a NVDA specific issue but a global screen reader / accessibility one, but after testing with Narrator as well, it turns out that at least the problem with OneDrive's system tray icon is specific to NVDA (Narrator is not affected).

To reproduce the issue, I press Windows+B to go to the system tray. I use up/down arrow keys to move the focus to the OneDrive's icon (OneDrive must be running). Then I press the space key to simulate a single left click with the mouse. All those are Windows and not NVDA commands. With Narrator, this works as expected and the pop-up window for OneDrive appears. With NVDA however, nothing happens. A person which cannot see the screen would wonder why it is so - what is different. I have some vision left and can see what's going on. For some reason, when pressing Windows+B and the system focus gets moved to the system tray area, NVDA also moves the mouse cursor there and for some reason, that causes the failure of the execution of the command with the spacebar to simulate a single left mouse click. With Narrator and with no screen reader running, the mouse cursor does not get moved to the system tray when the system focus gets moved there and the command gets executed correctly and the OneDrive pop-up window appears as it should.

So, does anyone (specially the NVDA developers) know why NVDA moves the mouse cursor to the system tray area when the system focus gets moved there? Because apparently this causes problems with some icons in the system tray. And now that I think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if the appearance of the problematic so called "Network Flyout" pop-up window under Windows 7 is caused by this behavior as well.

P.S.: I'm not asking for help/assistance with workarounds to activate such "problematic" icons in the system tray - I know how to handle them, including with the "SysTrayList" add-on for NVDA. This is not the purpose of this message. I'm asking why NVDA is causing the explained above behavior of the mouse when pressing Windows+B.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: NVDA and icons in the system tray

Gene
 

I've only seen this problem with one or two icons but I've seen others discuss it from time to time about this or that icon.  So it evidently doesn't affect many icons but it does happen.  and then there is the system tray network icon problem in Windows 7.  When you move to the network icon the first time you do so in a Windows 7 session, it takes some sort of action where you have to close something and then move to the network icon again.
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and icons in the system tray

I think I've ben very lucky. Iv'e not in my now 10 years of using nvda had this issue yet, to my knowledge.

Take care

On 23 Mar 2019, at 11:52, Gene wrote:

I have seen this problem that occurs no matter how you try to activate one of the icons. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and icons in the system tray

What happens if you hit enter or hit shift f10? Both shoudl do what you want to do.

Take care

On 23 Mar 2019, at 11:23, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

NVDA seams to have problems activating some icons in the system tray, for example the one for OneDrive. At first I thought that it was not a NVDA specific issue but a global screen reader / accessibility one, but after testing with Narrator as well, it turns out that at least the problem with OneDrive's system tray icon is specific to NVDA (Narrator is not affected).

To reproduce the issue, I press Windows+B to go to the system tray. I use up/down arrow keys to move the focus to the OneDrive's icon (OneDrive must be running). Then I press the space key to simulate a single left click with the mouse. All those are Windows and not NVDA commands. With Narrator, this works as expected and the pop-up window for OneDrive appears. With NVDA however, nothing happens. A person which cannot see the screen would wonder why it is so - what is different. I have some vision left and can see what's going on. For some reason, when pressing Windows+B and the system focus gets moved to the system tray area, NVDA also moves the mouse cursor there and for some reason, that causes the failure of the execution of the command with the spacebar to simulate a single left mouse click. With Narrator and with no screen reader running, the mouse cursor does not get moved to the system tray when the system focus gets moved there and the command gets executed correctly and the OneDrive pop-up window appears as it should.

So, does anyone (specially the NVDA developers) know why NVDA moves the mouse cursor to the system tray area when the system focus gets moved there? Because apparently this causes problems with some icons in the system tray. And now that I think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if the appearance of the problematic so called "Network Flyout" pop-up window under Windows 7 is caused by this behavior as well.

P.S.: I'm not asking for help/assistance with workarounds to activate such "problematic" icons in the system tray - I know how to handle them, including with the "SysTrayList" add-on for NVDA. This is not the purpose of this message. I'm asking why NVDA is causing the explained above behavior of the mouse when pressing Windows+B.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: NVDA and icons in the system tray

Rui Fontes
 

Because of that the Systray addon was develloped...
Many times it is possible through the icons list activate that not cooperative buttons...

Rui Fontes


Às 18:52 de 23/03/2019, Gene escreveu:

I have seen this problem that occurs no matter how you try to activate one of the icons.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Sarah k Alawami <mailto:marrie12@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, March 23, 2019 1:49 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA and icons in the system tray
What happens if you hit enter or hit shift f10? Both shoudl do what you want to do.
Take care
On 23 Mar 2019, at 11:23, Kostadin Kolev wrote:
Hello all,
NVDA seams to have problems activating some icons in the system
tray, for example the one for OneDrive. At first I thought that it
was not a NVDA specific issue but a global screen reader /
accessibility one, but after testing with Narrator as well, it turns
out that at least the problem with OneDrive's system tray icon is
specific to NVDA (Narrator is not affected).
To reproduce the issue, I press Windows+B to go to the system tray.
I use up/down arrow keys to move the focus to the OneDrive's icon
(OneDrive must be running). Then I press the space key to simulate a
single left click with the mouse. All those are Windows and not NVDA
commands. With Narrator, this works as expected and the pop-up
window for OneDrive appears. With NVDA however, nothing happens. A
person which cannot see the screen would wonder why it is so - what
is different. I have some vision left and can see what's going on.
For some reason, when pressing Windows+B and the system focus gets
moved to the system tray area, NVDA also moves the mouse cursor
there and for some reason, that causes the failure of the execution
of the command with the spacebar to simulate a single left mouse
click. With Narrator and with no screen reader running, the mouse
cursor does not get moved to the system tray when the system focus
gets moved there and the command gets executed correctly and the
OneDrive pop-up window appears as it should.
So, does anyone (specially the NVDA developers) know why NVDA moves
the mouse cursor to the system tray area when the system focus gets
moved there? Because apparently this causes problems with some icons
in the system tray. And now that I think of it, I wouldn't be
surprised if the appearance of the problematic so called "Network
Flyout" pop-up window under Windows 7 is caused by this behavior as
well.
P.S.: I'm not asking for help/assistance with workarounds to
activate such "problematic" icons in the system tray - I know how to
handle them, including with the "SysTrayList" add-on for NVDA. This
is not the purpose of this message. I'm asking why NVDA is causing
the explained above behavior of the mouse when pressing Windows+B.
Thanks much in advance!
______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: NVDA and icons in the system tray

Sarah k Alawami
 

I think I've ben very lucky. Iv'e not in my now 10 years of using nvda had this issue yet, to my knowledge.

Take care

On 23 Mar 2019, at 11:52, Gene wrote:

I have seen this problem that occurs no matter how you try to activate one of the icons. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and icons in the system tray

What happens if you hit enter or hit shift f10? Both shoudl do what you want to do.

Take care

On 23 Mar 2019, at 11:23, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

NVDA seams to have problems activating some icons in the system tray, for example the one for OneDrive. At first I thought that it was not a NVDA specific issue but a global screen reader / accessibility one, but after testing with Narrator as well, it turns out that at least the problem with OneDrive's system tray icon is specific to NVDA (Narrator is not affected).

To reproduce the issue, I press Windows+B to go to the system tray. I use up/down arrow keys to move the focus to the OneDrive's icon (OneDrive must be running). Then I press the space key to simulate a single left click with the mouse. All those are Windows and not NVDA commands. With Narrator, this works as expected and the pop-up window for OneDrive appears. With NVDA however, nothing happens. A person which cannot see the screen would wonder why it is so - what is different. I have some vision left and can see what's going on. For some reason, when pressing Windows+B and the system focus gets moved to the system tray area, NVDA also moves the mouse cursor there and for some reason, that causes the failure of the execution of the command with the spacebar to simulate a single left mouse click. With Narrator and with no screen reader running, the mouse cursor does not get moved to the system tray when the system focus gets moved there and the command gets executed correctly and the OneDrive pop-up window appears as it should.

So, does anyone (specially the NVDA developers) know why NVDA moves the mouse cursor to the system tray area when the system focus gets moved there? Because apparently this causes problems with some icons in the system tray. And now that I think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if the appearance of the problematic so called "Network Flyout" pop-up window under Windows 7 is caused by this behavior as well.

P.S.: I'm not asking for help/assistance with workarounds to activate such "problematic" icons in the system tray - I know how to handle them, including with the "SysTrayList" add-on for NVDA. This is not the purpose of this message. I'm asking why NVDA is causing the explained above behavior of the mouse when pressing Windows+B.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: NVDA and icons in the system tray

Gene
 

I have seen this problem that occurs no matter how you try to activate one of the icons. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and icons in the system tray

What happens if you hit enter or hit shift f10? Both shoudl do what you want to do.

Take care

On 23 Mar 2019, at 11:23, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

NVDA seams to have problems activating some icons in the system tray, for example the one for OneDrive. At first I thought that it was not a NVDA specific issue but a global screen reader / accessibility one, but after testing with Narrator as well, it turns out that at least the problem with OneDrive's system tray icon is specific to NVDA (Narrator is not affected).

To reproduce the issue, I press Windows+B to go to the system tray. I use up/down arrow keys to move the focus to the OneDrive's icon (OneDrive must be running). Then I press the space key to simulate a single left click with the mouse. All those are Windows and not NVDA commands. With Narrator, this works as expected and the pop-up window for OneDrive appears. With NVDA however, nothing happens. A person which cannot see the screen would wonder why it is so - what is different. I have some vision left and can see what's going on. For some reason, when pressing Windows+B and the system focus gets moved to the system tray area, NVDA also moves the mouse cursor there and for some reason, that causes the failure of the execution of the command with the spacebar to simulate a single left mouse click. With Narrator and with no screen reader running, the mouse cursor does not get moved to the system tray when the system focus gets moved there and the command gets executed correctly and the OneDrive pop-up window appears as it should.

So, does anyone (specially the NVDA developers) know why NVDA moves the mouse cursor to the system tray area when the system focus gets moved there? Because apparently this causes problems with some icons in the system tray. And now that I think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if the appearance of the problematic so called "Network Flyout" pop-up window under Windows 7 is caused by this behavior as well.

P.S.: I'm not asking for help/assistance with workarounds to activate such "problematic" icons in the system tray - I know how to handle them, including with the "SysTrayList" add-on for NVDA. This is not the purpose of this message. I'm asking why NVDA is causing the explained above behavior of the mouse when pressing Windows+B.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: NVDA and icons in the system tray

Gene
 

Mouse tracking reports information as the mouse moves.  it shouldn't affect this behavior.  This appears to explain why NVDA doesn't work properly with one of the icons in my system tray.  Its been a long time since I found out about this and I don't remember which one.  I avoid the problem by using the system ttray dialog.  But if the NVDA developers are going to insist that the NVDA dialog not be a part of NVDA itself, for ideological reasons that are not justified, then they should emphasize correcting this problem. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jackie
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and icons in the system tray

Kostadin, just curious--do you have mouse tracking on in NVDA?
Insert-m toggles it.

On 3/23/19, Kostadin Kolev <k.kolev1985@...> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> NVDA seams to have problems activating some icons in the system tray, for
> example the one for OneDrive. At first I thought that it was not a NVDA
> specific issue but a global screen reader / accessibility one, but after
> testing with Narrator as well, it turns out that at least the problem with
> OneDrive's system tray icon is specific to NVDA (Narrator is not affected).
>
> To reproduce the issue, I press Windows+B to go to the system tray. I use
> up/down arrow keys to move the focus to the OneDrive's icon (OneDrive must
> be running). Then I press the space key to simulate a single left click with
> the mouse. All those are Windows and not NVDA commands. With Narrator, this
> works as expected and the pop-up window for OneDrive appears. With NVDA
> however, nothing happens. A person which cannot see the screen would wonder
> why it is so - what is different. I have some vision left and can see what's
> going on. For some reason, when pressing Windows+B and the system focus gets
> moved to the system tray area, NVDA also moves the mouse cursor there and
> for some reason, that causes the failure of the execution of the command
> with the spacebar to simulate a single left mouse click. With Narrator and
> with no screen reader running, the mouse cursor does not get moved to the
> system tray when the system focus gets moved there and the command gets
> executed correctly and the OneDrive pop-up window appears as it should.
>
> So, does anyone (specially the NVDA developers) know why NVDA moves the
> mouse cursor to the system tray area when the system focus gets moved there?
> Because apparently this causes problems with some icons in the system tray.
> And now that I think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if the appearance of the
> problematic so called "Network Flyout" pop-up window under Windows 7 is
> caused by this behavior as well.
>
> P.S.: I'm not asking for help/assistance with workarounds to activate such
> "problematic" icons in the system tray - I know how to handle them,
> including with the "SysTrayList" add-on for NVDA. This is not the purpose of
> this message. I'm asking why NVDA is causing the explained above behavior of
> the mouse when pressing Windows+B.
>
> Thanks much in advance!
>
> ______
> Best wishes,
> Kostadin Kolev
>
>


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Re: NVDA and icons in the system tray

Sarah k Alawami
 

What happens if you hit enter or hit shift f10? Both shoudl do what you want to do.

Take care

On 23 Mar 2019, at 11:23, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

NVDA seams to have problems activating some icons in the system tray, for example the one for OneDrive. At first I thought that it was not a NVDA specific issue but a global screen reader / accessibility one, but after testing with Narrator as well, it turns out that at least the problem with OneDrive's system tray icon is specific to NVDA (Narrator is not affected).

To reproduce the issue, I press Windows+B to go to the system tray. I use up/down arrow keys to move the focus to the OneDrive's icon (OneDrive must be running). Then I press the space key to simulate a single left click with the mouse. All those are Windows and not NVDA commands. With Narrator, this works as expected and the pop-up window for OneDrive appears. With NVDA however, nothing happens. A person which cannot see the screen would wonder why it is so - what is different. I have some vision left and can see what's going on. For some reason, when pressing Windows+B and the system focus gets moved to the system tray area, NVDA also moves the mouse cursor there and for some reason, that causes the failure of the execution of the command with the spacebar to simulate a single left mouse click. With Narrator and with no screen reader running, the mouse cursor does not get moved to the system tray when the system focus gets moved there and the command gets executed correctly and the OneDrive pop-up window appears as it should.

So, does anyone (specially the NVDA developers) know why NVDA moves the mouse cursor to the system tray area when the system focus gets moved there? Because apparently this causes problems with some icons in the system tray. And now that I think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if the appearance of the problematic so called "Network Flyout" pop-up window under Windows 7 is caused by this behavior as well.

P.S.: I'm not asking for help/assistance with workarounds to activate such "problematic" icons in the system tray - I know how to handle them, including with the "SysTrayList" add-on for NVDA. This is not the purpose of this message. I'm asking why NVDA is causing the explained above behavior of the mouse when pressing Windows+B.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: NVDA and icons in the system tray

Jackie
 

Kostadin, just curious--do you have mouse tracking on in NVDA?
Insert-m toggles it.

On 3/23/19, Kostadin Kolev <k.kolev1985@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,

NVDA seams to have problems activating some icons in the system tray, for
example the one for OneDrive. At first I thought that it was not a NVDA
specific issue but a global screen reader / accessibility one, but after
testing with Narrator as well, it turns out that at least the problem with
OneDrive's system tray icon is specific to NVDA (Narrator is not affected).

To reproduce the issue, I press Windows+B to go to the system tray. I use
up/down arrow keys to move the focus to the OneDrive's icon (OneDrive must
be running). Then I press the space key to simulate a single left click with
the mouse. All those are Windows and not NVDA commands. With Narrator, this
works as expected and the pop-up window for OneDrive appears. With NVDA
however, nothing happens. A person which cannot see the screen would wonder
why it is so - what is different. I have some vision left and can see what's
going on. For some reason, when pressing Windows+B and the system focus gets
moved to the system tray area, NVDA also moves the mouse cursor there and
for some reason, that causes the failure of the execution of the command
with the spacebar to simulate a single left mouse click. With Narrator and
with no screen reader running, the mouse cursor does not get moved to the
system tray when the system focus gets moved there and the command gets
executed correctly and the OneDrive pop-up window appears as it should.

So, does anyone (specially the NVDA developers) know why NVDA moves the
mouse cursor to the system tray area when the system focus gets moved there?
Because apparently this causes problems with some icons in the system tray.
And now that I think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if the appearance of the
problematic so called "Network Flyout" pop-up window under Windows 7 is
caused by this behavior as well.

P.S.: I'm not asking for help/assistance with workarounds to activate such
"problematic" icons in the system tray - I know how to handle them,
including with the "SysTrayList" add-on for NVDA. This is not the purpose of
this message. I'm asking why NVDA is causing the explained above behavior of
the mouse when pressing Windows+B.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

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NVDA and icons in the system tray

 

Hello all,

NVDA seams to have problems activating some icons in the system tray, for example the one for OneDrive. At first I thought that it was not a NVDA specific issue but a global screen reader / accessibility one, but after testing with Narrator as well, it turns out that at least the problem with OneDrive's system tray icon is specific to NVDA (Narrator is not affected).

To reproduce the issue, I press Windows+B to go to the system tray. I use up/down arrow keys to move the focus to the OneDrive's icon (OneDrive must be running). Then I press the space key to simulate a single left click with the mouse. All those are Windows and not NVDA commands. With Narrator, this works as expected and the pop-up window for OneDrive appears. With NVDA however, nothing happens. A person which cannot see the screen would wonder why it is so - what is different. I have some vision left and can see what's going on. For some reason, when pressing Windows+B and the system focus gets moved to the system tray area, NVDA also moves the mouse cursor there and for some reason, that causes the failure of the execution of the command with the spacebar to simulate a single left mouse click. With Narrator and with no screen reader running, the mouse cursor does not get moved to the system tray when the system focus gets moved there and the command gets executed correctly and the OneDrive pop-up window appears as it should.

So, does anyone (specially the NVDA developers) know why NVDA moves the mouse cursor to the system tray area when the system focus gets moved there? Because apparently this causes problems with some icons in the system tray. And now that I think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if the appearance of the problematic so called "Network Flyout" pop-up window under Windows 7 is caused by this behavior as well.

P.S.: I'm not asking for help/assistance with workarounds to activate such "problematic" icons in the system tray - I know how to handle them, including with the "SysTrayList" add-on for NVDA. This is not the purpose of this message. I'm asking why NVDA is causing the explained above behavior of the mouse when pressing Windows+B.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: weather plus

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi tio every one,

I announce you that Weather Plus will soon return with the Yahoo Weather API, for the moment, the Apixu project is suspended.


Regards

Adriano




Il 23/03/2019 13:51, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Unless you were moving at 78 and a bit mph at the time...:-
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Subject: [nvda] weather plus


Got a update to weather plus this morning that indicated a change in its name. Installed just fine but still show bad info when you check the weather. Said we had 88 mile an hour winds in Quincy this morning. I am sure it is probably really 8.8 miles per hour.











Re: Strange clock reading

Sarah k Alawami
 

I thought that was fixed in the last update about 2 months ago maybe? Have you checked for updates for said add on?

On 23 Mar 2019, at 6:19, Ian Westerland wrote:

Hi. The NVDA Clock has started to read strangely. The issue is that when the time reaches 0:0 it speaks 0:0 But then, for some reason, for the remainder of the hour, it reads 24: then the minutes up to 59. After 24:59 the clock reverts to 01: and the time is right after that.
Not sure what is causing this and I haven't done anything unusual with my PC to make this happen.

Any clues?

Cheers.


Ian Westerland





Re: Strange clock reading

Chris
 

I guess you are referring to the clock addon rather than nvda itself

 

If I remember correctly there was a issue at some time but a update to the addon fixed this issue

 

But if you are running the latest version then you should contact the developer for help

 

 

From: Ian Westerland
Sent: 23 March 2019 13:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange clock reading

 

Hi.  The NVDA Clock has started to read strangely.  The issue is that

when the time reaches 0:0 it speaks 0:0 But then, for some reason, for

the remainder of the hour, it reads 24: then the minutes up to 59.

After 24:59 the clock reverts to 01: and the time is right after that.

Not sure what is causing this and I haven't done anything unusual with

my PC to make this happen.

 

Any clues?

 

Cheers.

 

 

Ian Westerland