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Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

 

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 02:32 PM, Richard Wells wrote:
Sorry Brian, I saw your message after I posted my reply.
Richard,

            Thank you, and "no problem."   The nature of e-mailing lists is that you can be in the midst of composing something while something else comes in.  When that happens within minutes each other, I presume that's what did occur.

             I want to give those who wish to continue this exchange all time to subscribe to the chat subgroup. Launching a topic immediately isn't very much help to anyone if it doesn't land in their respective inboxes and they don't read via web.  That's why I have elected not to start those topics, because they do no good unless one is already a subscriber.

             So, again, to those who wish to continue this discussion, please do so on the chat subgroup.  If someone launches a new topic in, say, a couple of hours it should allow for the first wave of participants to have subscribed and if it gets active the second wave will start getting messages pretty promptly, too.
 
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Re: Jumping Between Clickables

 

If anyone happens to want to have a discussion about how to create a feature request for NVDA, I'm happy to have one on the chat subgroup.  That would include searching to see if what you're about to put in a feature request for already has one, in which case you can add a comment to it.

Although we definitely have a number of the core NVDA developers and other "movers and shakers" reading here, there is power for you and ease for them in getting feature requests directly through the formal mechanism on Github to do so.

Chat subgroup subscription and post addresses:
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Re: Jumping Between Clickables

Andre Fisher
 

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 12:03 PM, marcio wrote:
And, while we are on this, is there any command to access clickable items with NVDA?


No.


Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

Richard Wells
 

Sorry Brian, I saw your message after I posted my reply.

On 4/16/2019 1:30 PM, Richard Wells wrote:
When I ping nvaccess.org, I get an IP address of: 45.33.21.113. Maybe
the service provider needs to check to make sure that this IP address is
not blacklisted.

On 4/16/2019 11:38 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Something very odd is going on. If you contacted your internet
provider and they say they didn't block nvaccess.org, then something
is very wrong. I don't know what it could be.



On 4/16/2019 7:06 AM, zahra wrote:
today, i contacted our internet provider and they told me that they
did not block nvda website.
they told that i should contact nvaccess staff and ask them for help.

On 4/16/19, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
If you do not wish to use a proxy, VPN, Tor or similar avoidance of
the
default routing which you have on your Internet connection then I
think the

only people worth talking to about this problem are your Internet
Connectivity
Provider.

Either they are filtering / blocking your access to the site, or else
someone
upstream from them is doing so, and your contract is with your
connectivity

provider, so talk to them if it isn't working correctly. They in
turn have
a
contract with their upstream provider, so they can take the problem
further
if
need be.

Antony.

On Tuesday 16 April 2019 at 13:33:59, zahra wrote:

hi dejan and i appreciate your kindness and sympathy with us.
i also wish to find a solution that i can use nvda website as i could
use before, without proxy, vpn or any antifilter softwares.
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Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

Richard Wells
 

When I ping nvaccess.org, I get an IP address of: 45.33.21.113. Maybe
the service provider needs to check to make sure that this IP address is
not blacklisted.

On 4/16/2019 11:38 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Something very odd is going on. If you contacted your internet
provider and they say they didn't block nvaccess.org, then something
is very wrong. I don't know what it could be.



On 4/16/2019 7:06 AM, zahra wrote:
today, i contacted our internet provider and they told me that they
did not block nvda website.
they told that i should contact nvaccess staff and ask them for help.

On 4/16/19, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
If you do not wish to use a proxy, VPN, Tor or similar avoidance of the
default routing which you have on your Internet connection then I
think the

only people worth talking to about this problem are your Internet
Connectivity
Provider.

Either they are filtering / blocking your access to the site, or else
someone
upstream from them is doing so, and your contract is with your
connectivity

provider, so talk to them if it isn't working correctly.  They in
turn have
a
contract with their upstream provider, so they can take the problem
further
if
need be.

Antony.

On Tuesday 16 April 2019 at 13:33:59, zahra wrote:

hi dejan and i appreciate your kindness and sympathy with us.
i also wish to find a solution that i can use nvda website as i could
use before, without proxy, vpn or any antifilter softwares.
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addresses
for
talking to yourself.

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me.




Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

 

Ladies and Gentlemen,

             It's Brian, speaking as moderator in this case.   I am requesting that this topic be re-routed to the chat subgroup if it is to continue.  The answer to the "one rule" question with regard to its content, from the very start, would have been, "No."

             Even though it was started before the rule was in place, it appears that it will be ongoing for an extended period, and the topic not in any way focused on NVDA in any meaningful sense.

             I am asking that those who wish to carry on the conversation subscribe to the chat subgroup via chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io and start a dedicated topic there via chat@nvda.groups.io.   Once said topic appears, I will be certain to include a link back to this entire topic so that if anyone needs to reference any of its content, they can do so in a single link activation.
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Add-on Updater 19.04.1 released #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Add-on Updater 19.04.1 is now available. This one includes localization updates and enables WordCount add-on users (author: Rui Fontes) to check for updates for this add-on.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Need your support to web whats app

 

Yes, F123 is a Firefox add-on. I have heard, quite a while ago, that it would make the WhatsApp's website more accessible.
Don't know anythhing further about it though.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
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Em 16/04/2019 12:32, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io disse:

That is a Firefox add on you mean?
I've actually not heard of it.
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Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 9:21 AM
Subject: [nvda] Need your support to web whats app


Hi friends,
Need solutions to access the whats app of web version on desktop.
One of our candidate joined company in India.
She should use whats app very efficiently by using desktop with screen
reader NVDA.
At present unable to use the app very efficiently.
Note:
Tried with Mozilla fire fox and add on.
It is not accessible also getting error "not respondinng"
If we remove add on then PC works well.

Add on name is f123.
With regards,
Sandesh HR










Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

 

Em 16/04/2019 08:33, zahra disse:
i also wish to find a solution that i can use nvda website as i could
use before, without proxy, vpn or any antifilter softwares.


Zahra,
If I may ask, why you don't want to use a proxy to access it?
It seems the only way so far, so why not?

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
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Re: Inconsistency with NVDA+t on desktop

 

In fact, here it always reports "Explorer".
How I would have it to report Program Manager?

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
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Em 16/04/2019 03:20, Felix G. disse:

Hi folks,
has anyone else observed that sometimes NVDA reports the title of the
desktop as "Explorer" whereas at other times it states "Program
Manager?"
As an aside, I find that "Explorer" is often announced even when it is
inappropriate as something completely different has focus.
Best,
Felix






Turning Colors On And Off, NVDA

David Russell
 

Hello Group,

Olli's answer to my question aided my search as I figured out what
needs to happen with regard to using colors in NVDA.
However, the article found, https://etcusf.edu, gives a step by step
on how to select a synthesizer.

For colors, does everything happen within the Preferences menu, or submenu,=?

This is the case, according to the web source, on finding a desired
voice synthesizer.

Of course, one gets to preferences via the NVDA menu.

I am still unsure of what the heck it is I want to search for and will
keep looking until resolved. Thanks.

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Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

Gene
 

The discussion has indicated that others have the same problem. 
Even if that hadn't come out in the discussion, I would consider it very unlikely.  Malware may block something like antimalware sites from opening but it would have no interest in blocking a screen-reader site.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jackie
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

The other thing is that your machine could have malware on it that's
causing problems w/opening websites. It's not a common scenario by any
means, but it can happen.

On 4/16/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
> If you can set up locations you can set up a tor proxi. I do this on my
> mac and never use the browser ut am connected to either  the proxi I
> used to have or one on tor's site. Note, I dunno how to do this on
> windows so google will be your friend.
>
> On 16 Apr 2019, at 3:22, Gene wrote:
>
>> From one or two comments I've seen on a list I follow, it appears that
>> recent Tor versions are not accessible.  If you want to use it, let us
>> know and someone will make the last accessible version available.  It
>> is version 7.5.6.  I don't use Tor, though I did on one or two
>> occasions quite some time ago and I'm interested in it remaining
>> accessible.  I would suggest that those who use it contact the Tor
>> developers and discuss the accessibility problem.  It may be nothing
>> more than turning on access in Tor.  For some reason, developers may
>> have turned it off.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Luke Davis
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 4:56 AM
>> To: nvda
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran
>>
>>
>> It may be the IP address that's being blocked, not the provider or
>> site.
>> It appears that nvaccess.org is on a dedicated server, at the IP
>> address
>> 45.33.21.113
>> It may be only that IP address that's being blocked, especially if it
>> changed
>> recently and the one it has now used to be something your government
>> did want to
>> block.
>> The last time they changed anything in that record may have been in
>> December of
>> 2018, but that's only a guess based on some technical information and
>> only the
>> nvaccess people can say for sure.
>>
>> All that said, if you're getting a 403 error, that probably is
>> nvaccess blocking
>> you for some reason, not the other way around.  Can you paste the full
>> text of
>> the error you get?
>>
>> Lastly, you may be able to use tor to access it.  A bit of work to get
>> setup,
>> but if it is a blocking based on geographic location issue, that may
>> very well
>> get you around it.  A VPN or a proxy is probably easier, but may not
>> be free.
>>
>> Luke
>>
>> On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, Mohammadreza Rashad wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear Rosemarie,
>>> As I said before, I have this issue with more than one ISP, and have
>>> received many reports from various places.
>>> Dear @Quentin, would you please help me to solve this mysterious
>>> problem? I, as a blind person, think that we have right to use,
>>> download and update the
>>> free NVDA screenreader, like other blind computer users.
>>>
>>>    ***
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>      Mohammadreza Rashad
>>>    sent by Nokia 8
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

Jackie
 

The other thing is that your machine could have malware on it that's
causing problems w/opening websites. It's not a common scenario by any
means, but it can happen.

On 4/16/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
If you can set up locations you can set up a tor proxi. I do this on my
mac and never use the browser ut am connected to either the proxi I
used to have or one on tor's site. Note, I dunno how to do this on
windows so google will be your friend.

On 16 Apr 2019, at 3:22, Gene wrote:

From one or two comments I've seen on a list I follow, it appears that
recent Tor versions are not accessible. If you want to use it, let us
know and someone will make the last accessible version available. It
is version 7.5.6. I don't use Tor, though I did on one or two
occasions quite some time ago and I'm interested in it remaining
accessible. I would suggest that those who use it contact the Tor
developers and discuss the accessibility problem. It may be nothing
more than turning on access in Tor. For some reason, developers may
have turned it off.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Luke Davis
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 4:56 AM
To: nvda
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran


It may be the IP address that's being blocked, not the provider or
site.
It appears that nvaccess.org is on a dedicated server, at the IP
address
45.33.21.113
It may be only that IP address that's being blocked, especially if it
changed
recently and the one it has now used to be something your government
did want to
block.
The last time they changed anything in that record may have been in
December of
2018, but that's only a guess based on some technical information and
only the
nvaccess people can say for sure.

All that said, if you're getting a 403 error, that probably is
nvaccess blocking
you for some reason, not the other way around. Can you paste the full
text of
the error you get?

Lastly, you may be able to use tor to access it. A bit of work to get
setup,
but if it is a blocking based on geographic location issue, that may
very well
get you around it. A VPN or a proxy is probably easier, but may not
be free.

Luke

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, Mohammadreza Rashad wrote:


Dear Rosemarie,
As I said before, I have this issue with more than one ISP, and have
received many reports from various places.
Dear @Quentin, would you please help me to solve this mysterious
problem? I, as a blind person, think that we have right to use,
download and update the
free NVDA screenreader, like other blind computer users.

***
Best Wishes,
Mohammadreza Rashad
sent by Nokia 8







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Re: Jumping Between Clickables

 

Don't quote me on this, but I have a feeling that if the item is only a clickable one, tab won't let you land on it, in fact, probably it'll ignore the existence of such an item.

And, while we are on this, is there any command to access clickable items with NVDA?

Cheers,
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Em 16/04/2019 13:04, Gene disse:

I have no recollection of clickable items being grouped in links.  I doubt that k will move you to a clickable item and I doubt they appear in the links list.  Of course, you can tab to a clickable item but that means nothing concerning being grouped as links or not because you can tab to any control or structure such as a link. 
 
It doesn't matter what clickable structures do.  If they are clickable, they should be able to be recognized when using a move to next clickable command.  The screen-reader recognizes them and announces clickable when you move to one.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jumping Between Clickables

Well and working from memory here, the problem with clickables is that there
is little info on what they may actually be doing. Its up to the site
developer to define it so they are grouped in links since there could well
be several different sorts of clickable and how do you actually know which
is which? at least if they show up in the links one might be able to assume
they are supposed to do stuff. I have to say some of them seem to do nothing
whatsoever while others act like links or drop downs and all sorts of other
things.
 I think somebody in charge of web accessibility needs to sort this one out.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Davis" <luke@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 10:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] Jumping Between Clickables


> Hello
>
> Is there any reasonable way, or is there some way in development, to jump
> between items on a web page that are "clickable"?
>
> The manual only mentions clickables in regards to the indicator in the
> braille section, and the checkbox in the document format configuration
> description, and even in this latter it is very sparse information.
>
> I have found various discussions about clickables, whether they should be
> spoken, whether lots in a row should be spoken, and how to get them to
> stop speaking, but nothing about how to navigate them.
>
> For example, if I have a bunch of links on a page, I can skip between them
> with k, v, u, etc.  If there are buttons, I can use b and B.  And so on.
> But how does one do this with clickables?  Sometimes you run into quite
> long lists of these, and it would be nice to move through them quickly, or
> to jump to them from another part of the page.
>
> Frankly I'm surprised this has not been done already, but maybe there is
> some reason I can't think of.  Or maybe it is being done and just isn't
> documented in an obvious way.
>
> Luke
>
>
>
>





Re: reaper

Sarah k Alawami
 

It's quite easy to use. Osara is just an extension to make reaper more accessible. I'm still grasping it after about 3 or 4 months but I'm now able to edit podcasts, create sends and receives and so so much more.

On 16 Apr 2019, at 8:34, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

And as I posted in the last thread on reaper, Osara add on is a must. I have to say its a very good bit of software but was a little too much for my brain!
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reaper


The Reapers Without Peepers (RWP) group main page on groups.io is: https://groups.io/g/rwp
All of the e-mail addresses for the group are, as is typical, located near the end of the group's main page.

If one wants to search for a group that might possibly exist under Groups.io, use this webpage: https://groups.io/search?p=SubsCount,,,20,2,0,0
A search there on Reaper turns up this group as the first search result.

Detailed information on using Reaper with any screen reader can be found there and the group appears to be quite active based on the monthly post totals on its main page.
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Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

Sarah k Alawami
 

If you can set up locations you can set up a tor proxi. I do this on my mac and never use the browser ut am connected to either the proxi I used to have or one on tor's site. Note, I dunno how to do this on windows so google will be your friend.

On 16 Apr 2019, at 3:22, Gene wrote:

From one or two comments I've seen on a list I follow, it appears that recent Tor versions are not accessible.  If you want to use it, let us know and someone will make the last accessible version available.  It is version 7.5.6.  I don't use Tor, though I did on one or two occasions quite some time ago and I'm interested in it remaining accessible.  I would suggest that those who use it contact the Tor developers and discuss the accessibility problem.  It may be nothing more than turning on access in Tor.  For some reason, developers may have turned it off. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 4:56 AM
To: nvda
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

It may be the IP address that's being blocked, not the provider or site.
It appears that nvaccess.org is on a dedicated server, at the IP address
45.33.21.113
It may be only that IP address that's being blocked, especially if it changed
recently and the one it has now used to be something your government did want to
block.
The last time they changed anything in that record may have been in December of
2018, but that's only a guess based on some technical information and only the
nvaccess people can say for sure.

All that said, if you're getting a 403 error, that probably is nvaccess blocking
you for some reason, not the other way around.  Can you paste the full text of
the error you get?

Lastly, you may be able to use tor to access it.  A bit of work to get setup,
but if it is a blocking based on geographic location issue, that may very well
get you around it.  A VPN or a proxy is probably easier, but may not be free.

Luke

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, Mohammadreza Rashad wrote:

>
> Dear Rosemarie,
> As I said before, I have this issue with more than one ISP, and have received many reports from various places.
> Dear @Quentin, would you please help me to solve this mysterious problem? I, as a blind person, think that we have right to use, download and update the
> free NVDA screenreader, like other blind computer users.
>
>    ***
> Best Wishes,
>      Mohammadreza Rashad
>    sent by Nokia 8




Re: reaper

Sarah k Alawami
 

You will find the addresses you need at the reapers without peapers link

On 16 Apr 2019, at 1:44, Isaac wrote:

Hi, does anyone know the blind list for reaper and is anyone on this list able to give me the information as reaper works with nvda.
Thanks


Re: Jumping Between Clickables

Andre Fisher
 

It's best to focus on what the user is trying to acomplish, which is a way to move from clickable element to element. As the name suggests, these elements are labelled as such because they perform an action when clicked by the mouse, and some of them will be activated using the keyboard. Yes, some website developers may wrongfully use this tag, but nevertheless it can be useful to jjump to them.

I would also like to see something like this. Perhaps the letter Y can be used to move to the next clickable item, or P or J, with Shift being added to move to the previous element. I don't recommend this being in the Elements List, due to some websites abusing this tag as mentionned before.


Re: Cannot open nvaccess.org in Iran

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Something very odd is going on. If you contacted your internet provider and they say they didn't block nvaccess.org, then something is very wrong. I don't know what it could be.

On 4/16/2019 7:06 AM, zahra wrote:
today, i contacted our internet provider and they told me that they
did not block nvda website.
they told that i should contact nvaccess staff and ask them for help.

On 4/16/19, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
If you do not wish to use a proxy, VPN, Tor or similar avoidance of the
default routing which you have on your Internet connection then I think the

only people worth talking to about this problem are your Internet
Connectivity
Provider.

Either they are filtering / blocking your access to the site, or else
someone
upstream from them is doing so, and your contract is with your connectivity

provider, so talk to them if it isn't working correctly. They in turn have
a
contract with their upstream provider, so they can take the problem further
if
need be.

Antony.

On Tuesday 16 April 2019 at 13:33:59, zahra wrote:

hi dejan and i appreciate your kindness and sympathy with us.
i also wish to find a solution that i can use nvda website as i could
use before, without proxy, vpn or any antifilter softwares.
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Re: Jumping Between Clickables

Gene
 

I have no recollection of clickable items being grouped in links.  I doubt that k will move you to a clickable item and I doubt they appear in the links list.  Of course, you can tab to a clickable item but that means nothing concerning being grouped as links or not because you can tab to any control or structure such as a link. 
 
It doesn't matter what clickable structures do.  If they are clickable, they should be able to be recognized when using a move to next clickable command.  The screen-reader recognizes them and announces clickable when you move to one.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jumping Between Clickables

Well and working from memory here, the problem with clickables is that there
is little info on what they may actually be doing. Its up to the site
developer to define it so they are grouped in links since there could well
be several different sorts of clickable and how do you actually know which
is which? at least if they show up in the links one might be able to assume
they are supposed to do stuff. I have to say some of them seem to do nothing
whatsoever while others act like links or drop downs and all sorts of other
things.
 I think somebody in charge of web accessibility needs to sort this one out.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Davis" <luke@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 10:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] Jumping Between Clickables


> Hello
>
> Is there any reasonable way, or is there some way in development, to jump
> between items on a web page that are "clickable"?
>
> The manual only mentions clickables in regards to the indicator in the
> braille section, and the checkbox in the document format configuration
> description, and even in this latter it is very sparse information.
>
> I have found various discussions about clickables, whether they should be
> spoken, whether lots in a row should be spoken, and how to get them to
> stop speaking, but nothing about how to navigate them.
>
> For example, if I have a bunch of links on a page, I can skip between them
> with k, v, u, etc.  If there are buttons, I can use b and B.  And so on.
> But how does one do this with clickables?  Sometimes you run into quite
> long lists of these, and it would be nice to move through them quickly, or
> to jump to them from another part of the page.
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> Frankly I'm surprised this has not been done already, but maybe there is
> some reason I can't think of.  Or maybe it is being done and just isn't
> documented in an obvious way.
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> Luke
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