I'd rather put up with some access issues than pay for a product that must
be paid for each and every year, or you loose the ability to use the
program, that's just silly, and companies really be shot for introducing
such nonsense.

I'd rather put up with some access issues than pay for a product that must
be paid for each and every year, or you loose the ability to use the
program, that's just silly, and companies really be shot for introducing
such nonsense.

I have not touched Office 365, but certain things are very, very, very
unlikely to change, ever.

ALT+F, S still does a save as it always has for an existing file
that's been saved.

Alt+F,A still does a Save As, though if you want to go straight to the
browse dialog add an O after that A, as that forces it to go directly
to the browse dialog (and the same is true for the straight save the
first time you're saving a file).

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Marcio,

            If you want to block scripts, Java and several other kinds, in Firefox then use the Add-On NoScript.  It is available from https://noscript.net/ , has been around for a very long time, and is pretty much "install it and forget it.  For myself, full script blocking is overkill, as it disables many functions I actually want to keep.

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Marcio,

         If you want a softer approach, then please just start out with uBlock Origin, which blocks ads and selectively blocks "annoying" scripts (my term, not theirs).  If you find you want something more aggressive afterward, then try NoScript.

          Both of these programs run in "install it and forget it" mode, but both are also wildly customizable if one so chooses.  I have not so chosen, except to suspend uBlock Origin on a couple of sites where I stream commercial TV content and cannot get it to work if uBlock is active.  What's funny is that adding the Privacy Badger extension brought back blocking of TV ads when streaming (or at least it did 2 days ago) which is something that used to work with both uBlock and Adblock Plus until ABC.com blocked all content if you had either activated.

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Gene it’s a way to get to the pertant INFO say in an article. It’s a bear to find the beginning of a news article a lot of the time. Like I said before pages content are always changing so I feel this not effective. Adds are everywhere. We just got to find a happy medium to filter out all the clutter. The more I visit sites like:

www.wnd.com etc. the worse it gets.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:06:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

I doubt that ads are consistent on web sites.  They may be of different sizes, and I wouldn't assume they will remain on the same exact part of the page.  I don't ever recall Flexible Web described as a way to skip ads. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:54 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

I don’t know if the Jaws Flexible Web main purpose is to work as an add blocker.

I use it to filter out/block elements like in forums (Reddit for example) and other sites/domains where things are pretty constant and just the simple structure of the site is a bit too cluttered for me.

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Way worse Bryan. I can attest to this. This is a far better solution than JAW’s Flexible Web. I mean pages regardless of being a news site or not are constantly changing so to me this type of thing they are doing is ineffective IMHO. So don’t get any bright ideas NVDA add-on devs on here. Said add-on should do it no matter what screen reader you use.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:49:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 02:19 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Brian does it weed out most of the adds on news sites etc. You’ve talked about this extention before

Simple answer:  yes.    It essentially wipes out all online ads anywhere they occur.   As new ones pop up the set of definitions gets updated very quickly and most of us never see them.  

I can't imagine browsing without an ad blocker.  They drove me mad with the visual distraction (not to mention auditory, for some) well over a decade ago and I cannot imagine that things have gotten any better, probably they've gotten worse.
 
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How are these programs in the realm of accessibility with NVDA? I'm trying
to decide if I should switch or uprade to Ofice 365.
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On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 06:34 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Be careful before suspending protected view.

I have no argument with the advice you've given, as everyone has their own tolerance for risk.

I will note, however, that what you propose doing would unleash exactly the same macros as my method does once the file is open.  That's why I don't find Protected View useful for myself.   I have never opened anything I have no intention of interacting with, and the moment you unprotect a given file it's unprotected.  For myself, I just see no advantage in doing this on a case by case basis since I'm strict about what I'll open.

If one has to deal with a lot of Office file throughput, though, and you don't have the need to interact with many of them, Protected View can come in handy.
 
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

I don't use Office and I expect others will explain how to do this.  Until then, I believe that pressing escape will take you out of it but I'm not sure of that.  That is my not necessarily correct recollection of discussions I've seen on a list perhaps a year ago. 

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

From: Richard Wells

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:27 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

Gene: Would you tell us how to turn off back stage?

On 1/23/2019 12:09 PM, Gene wrote:

You probably could have saved the file as you do now if you turned back stage view off.  I don't use Word and I'll let those who do discuss that but from discussions I've seen on lists, turning it off removes such annoyances.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:22 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

i am running 2007. I peeked at office 365 but I did not like what hoops i had to jump through just to save a file.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 8:15 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

And the question, "Upgrading from what?/What existing version of Office are you using?," comes to mind.

I just recently upgraded from 2010, which is getting rickety but is still supported, to Office 2016.   Office 2016 will still be supported for some years to come, and with the availability of recycled licenses out of the EU one can upgrade to the top version, Pro Plus, for very little money.

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Thank you Gene for taking the time to write down the instructions for us novices.

Blessings

Pascal

Gene,
I would to know how to do it in Firefox. Please, may you explain it to us? :)

This would probably be considered a somewhat geeky solution but it is effective and something some people might want to know about.  I avoid a lot of problems on pages that don't require JAVA script by having it off on such pages..  Alot of what you are describing, intrusive ads, refreshing pages, videos or audio that plays, are often displayed or played by use of JAVA scripts. 

 

As one possible solution to the audio problem when JAVA scripts are on, I saw in one browser, it may have been Chrome, a setting that allows you to tell the browser not to play audio on web pages.  I don't recall the exact wording and it might be different such as referring to audio and videos or a variation.  Others may know about that setting.  I saw it in passing recently but I didn't try to remember anything about it. 

 

Increasingly, pages require JAVA scripts to work properly but on a page with an article, you usually don't need to have it on.  I can explain more how I do this reasonably efficiently in Chrome and Firefox if people want to know. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pascal Lambert

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:56 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

I was just wandering as the web is getting more and more difficult for us visually impaired and blind person.  It is not only the ads but also videos that suddenly are launched when you are trying to read something and pages that refreshed and you are no longer where you were as what you were reading has moved.  All these annoyances make the web, at times, difficult to navigate.  My first option is coming to this fortunate list and various members have kindly provided various solutions.  Thanks for your suggestions.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

The ADA says things should be accessible.  I don't know if inconvenience ever rises to a level of a violation of accessibility laws, but it often doesn't.  I would suggest, when problems of formatting or such as you are describing now are found, that you ask if people know of ways to reduce or eliminate the problem instead of first resorting to a legal remedy which you will likely not get support for by institutions or those who bring accessibility actions and which may take a long time to be ejudicated in the court system. 

 

In this case, while I don't know what browser you are using , try another browser.  Also, if you do or don't want to try another browser first, Some browsers have a reading view.  If they don't, you can use an add-on.  This removes a lot of extraneous material from web pages and it may remove these long links. 

 

also, there is an NVDA add-on I saw discussed about a month ago that may deal with a problem like yours but I don't recall the name and it may do other things you don't like.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pascal Lambert

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:22 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Hi All,

Today some pages are so riddled with long links that are ads, some of which are several lines long, making reading with a screen reader very annoying and difficult.  Example of pages are Breitbart.com, wnd.com… they are becoming very common which, in my view, is a violation of the ADA that we may need to look into and report.

Is there any way to skip the ads?  Is there a freeware ads blocker that works well with NVDA?

Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal

But getting caught up in a discussion and replying without reading the thread, while it would be better to do otherwise, really doesn't deserve a scolding comment of this type.  I don't see why it deserves one at all.

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: January 23, 2019 9:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

OO, Open Office, is a more accessible program than LO is, but it is also a far worse program with missing basic features, such as working with Docx files. LO is a far better program, but if you need something complex for a huge project, neither works well. LiBreOffice is the best open source alternative but is less accessible than OO.