Hi all,

I generally just use Notepad for writing anything down, pasting it into Word when I need to send it to anybody else. Due to time pressures with my univeristy deadlines, I'm writing a 40-page film script directly into Word.

I keep geting caught out when selecting words if a punctuation symbol folows the word. For example, if I wanted to select, 'end.', in Notepad I'd pres CTRL+SHIFT+left arrow and I'd get the word 'end' and the full stop / period. In Word I just get the full stop / period,not the word 'end' as well.

It's caught me out a few times. If I wanted to change end to finish, for example, in Notepad I'd CTRL+SHIFT+Left Arrow and just type finish. In Word I do that on autopilot and end up with endfinish.

This seems to be happening only in Word. Is there a reason why? Is it a feature of Word or is NVDA behaving differently in Word compared to other programs? I'm guessing it's Word. If it is does anybody know of a setting to select word and punctuation symbol rather than just the symbol?

Thanks for any thoughts,

Giles

Gene,
I would to know how to do it in Firefox. Please, may you explain it to us? :)

This would probably be considered a somewhat geeky solution but it is effective and something some people might want to know about.  I avoid a lot of problems on pages that don't require JAVA script by having it off on such pages..  Alot of what you are describing, intrusive ads, refreshing pages, videos or audio that plays, are often displayed or played by use of JAVA scripts. 

 

As one possible solution to the audio problem when JAVA scripts are on, I saw in one browser, it may have been Chrome, a setting that allows you to tell the browser not to play audio on web pages.  I don't recall the exact wording and it might be different such as referring to audio and videos or a variation.  Others may know about that setting.  I saw it in passing recently but I didn't try to remember anything about it. 

 

Increasingly, pages require JAVA scripts to work properly but on a page with an article, you usually don't need to have it on.  I can explain more how I do this reasonably efficiently in Chrome and Firefox if people want to know. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pascal Lambert

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:56 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

I was just wandering as the web is getting more and more difficult for us visually impaired and blind person.  It is not only the ads but also videos that suddenly are launched when you are trying to read something and pages that refreshed and you are no longer where you were as what you were reading has moved.  All these annoyances make the web, at times, difficult to navigate.  My first option is coming to this fortunate list and various members have kindly provided various solutions.  Thanks for your suggestions.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

The ADA says things should be accessible.  I don't know if inconvenience ever rises to a level of a violation of accessibility laws, but it often doesn't.  I would suggest, when problems of formatting or such as you are describing now are found, that you ask if people know of ways to reduce or eliminate the problem instead of first resorting to a legal remedy which you will likely not get support for by institutions or those who bring accessibility actions and which may take a long time to be ejudicated in the court system. 

 

In this case, while I don't know what browser you are using , try another browser.  Also, if you do or don't want to try another browser first, Some browsers have a reading view.  If they don't, you can use an add-on.  This removes a lot of extraneous material from web pages and it may remove these long links. 

 

also, there is an NVDA add-on I saw discussed about a month ago that may deal with a problem like yours but I don't recall the name and it may do other things you don't like.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pascal Lambert

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:22 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Hi All,

Today some pages are so riddled with long links that are ads, some of which are several lines long, making reading with a screen reader very annoying and difficult.  Example of pages are Breitbart.com, wnd.com… they are becoming very common which, in my view, is a violation of the ADA that we may need to look into and report.

Is there any way to skip the ads?  Is there a freeware ads blocker that works well with NVDA?

Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal

Hi Christo,

Can you please advise the steps to reproduce this?

Which Office program? Which emoji character? If it's a document you have
been sent, if you are able to forward it to info@nvaccess.org, I can have a
look at the same file, otherwise, if it's one (or several) emojis, please
advise how to select the appropriate one(s).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 8:24 PM Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hello NVDA developers


A friend who is not on this list asked me to report that when using NVDA
with Office 365 emoji are not shown; instead the number 12 appears in
the text. This only happens in Office 365 and not in older versions of
Office. He says that the opposition Shark handles emoji perfectly in
365. Is this a know issue?


Kind regards


Christo

I was also going to say that there is also value in knowing what users are
having trouble with - if it's a matter of something which has a keystroke /
setting / existing way to fix it, that's great and makes it easy to help
the individual, but us learning that people are getting stuck with
something is useful as well. There's no point in us thinking we've solved
a problem by adding a keystroke or setting if no-one is aware it is exists
:)

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 9:00 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

I would also argue that regardless of whether there is a "way around" the
issues you're encountering, there is great value in a development team for
any product to know about issues that require "ways around" that irritate
users to no end.

Sometimes highly skilled users of certain software, not just NVDA, lose
all perspective of what the experience is like for the unsophisticated user
(and that term is not an insult, personal or otherwise, we were all
unsophisticated users of everything we've ever touched at one point in
time). Having that input can result in improvements that would not
otherwise have been contemplated because there was no awareness of need or
desire.

--

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*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need
for illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, *To Jerusalem and Back*

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Hi All,

Today some pages are so riddled with long links that are ads, some of which
are several lines long, making reading with a screen reader very annoying
and difficult. Example of pages are Breitbart.com, wnd.com. they are
becoming very common which, in my view, is a violation of the ADA that we
may need to look into and report.

Is there any way to skip the ads? Is there a freeware ads blocker that
works well with NVDA?

Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal

Hi Christo,

Can you please advise the steps to reproduce this?

Which Office program? Which emoji character? If it's a document you have
been sent, if you are able to forward it to info@nvaccess.org, I can have a
look at the same file, otherwise, if it's one (or several) emojis, please
advise how to select the appropriate one(s).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 8:24 PM Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hello NVDA developers


A friend who is not on this list asked me to report that when using NVDA
with Office 365 emoji are not shown; instead the number 12 appears in
the text. This only happens in Office 365 and not in older versions of
Office. He says that the opposition Shark handles emoji perfectly in
365. Is this a know issue?


Kind regards


Christo

This explanation is long.  It explains how to do this and gives an example of an efficient way to use this setting and how it may benefit you.

 

In firefox, it is a few steps to get to the place where you change the setting.  But once there, if you leave a window or tab opened, you can change it between on and off by just pressing enter in that window or tab.

Here is how you get to the setting:

In the browser address bar, type about:config.  Look at what I wrote character by character to see exactly how to type it.

Press enter.

A warning will come up.  Press the space bar.

you are now in a search field.

The first time you do this, once you are in the search field, you may want to bookmark the page for the fastest use in the future.  If you follow the bookmark, you will be on the warning message so press the space bar.

 

In the search field, type the following exactly as written:

pt.en

Tab once.  I think there is only one item in the results.  But if not, there will be very few.  The item you want says JAVA script default enabled or something very similar.  Select it if you are on it with the space bar or down arrow and up arrow.  Press enter.  it will then say
JAVA script user set bullian false or something similar. 

It is now off. 

Leave that Window opened.

Open a new window for your browsing with control n.  Or open a new tab with control t.  if you know how to move from tab to tab and from window to window, open whatever you want. 

 

If you go to a page that requires JAVA script, move to the settings window, press enter, go back to the page and reload it with f5.  If you know in advance that the page requires JAVA script, you can change the setting and then load the page as usual in the other window or tab.

As I said in another message, many pages now require scripts to function properly.  but when you are dealing with a site where certain pages do and certain ones don't like The New York Times Site, if you do the following, you will have easier to navigate article pages.

Open the home page or another page that requires scripts.  I don't know which do and don't in general.  the home page does as does the New York Times in print page.  You can tell by experimentation and what you know about sites you have visited if the pages display as they should when scripts are off.  The Times home page doesn't show all content if JAVA is off.  It shows some and for just a quick look at some important articles, that's fine.  But perhaps thirty to forty percent of the articles can't be seen if scripts are off.  So if you want to see all the articles and read them conveniently with scripts off, do the following:

Open The times home page, for example with Scripts enabled.

Then switch to the settings window and press enter to turn scripts off. 

Now go back to the other page.  Scripts will still be running on that page because it was opened before you changed the setting.  Find an article you want to read.  Use Shift enter instead of just enter.  The article will open in a new window and scripts won't be runnning.  The page may load noticeably faster and there will be considerably less interruptions on the page for things like advertising. 

Once finished, close the window with alt f4.  You will be back in the home page window, just where you left off. 

 

As I said, it's somewhat or rather geeky, but you may see benefits well worth having if you experiment and try seeing how things differ when scripts are allowed and not.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: marcio via Groups.Io

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

Gene,
I would to know how to do it in Firefox. Please, may you explain it to us? :)

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 22/01/2019 21:16, Gene escreveu:

This would probably be considered a somewhat geeky solution but it is effective and something some people might want to know about.  I avoid a lot of problems on pages that don't require JAVA script by having it off on such pages..  Alot of what you are describing, intrusive ads, refreshing pages, videos or audio that plays, are often displayed or played by use of JAVA scripts. 

 

As one possible solution to the audio problem when JAVA scripts are on, I saw in one browser, it may have been Chrome, a setting that allows you to tell the browser not to play audio on web pages.  I don't recall the exact wording and it might be different such as referring to audio and videos or a variation.  Others may know about that setting.  I saw it in passing recently but I didn't try to remember anything about it. 

 

Increasingly, pages require JAVA scripts to work properly but on a page with an article, you usually don't need to have it on.  I can explain more how I do this reasonably efficiently in Chrome and Firefox if people want to know. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pascal Lambert

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:56 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

I was just wandering as the web is getting more and more difficult for us visually impaired and blind person.  It is not only the ads but also videos that suddenly are launched when you are trying to read something and pages that refreshed and you are no longer where you were as what you were reading has moved.  All these annoyances make the web, at times, difficult to navigate.  My first option is coming to this fortunate list and various members have kindly provided various solutions.  Thanks for your suggestions.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

The ADA says things should be accessible.  I don't know if inconvenience ever rises to a level of a violation of accessibility laws, but it often doesn't.  I would suggest, when problems of formatting or such as you are describing now are found, that you ask if people know of ways to reduce or eliminate the problem instead of first resorting to a legal remedy which you will likely not get support for by institutions or those who bring accessibility actions and which may take a long time to be ejudicated in the court system. 

 

In this case, while I don't know what browser you are using , try another browser.  Also, if you do or don't want to try another browser first, Some browsers have a reading view.  If they don't, you can use an add-on.  This removes a lot of extraneous material from web pages and it may remove these long links. 

 

also, there is an NVDA add-on I saw discussed about a month ago that may deal with a problem like yours but I don't recall the name and it may do other things you don't like.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pascal Lambert

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:22 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Hi All,

Today some pages are so riddled with long links that are ads, some of which are several lines long, making reading with a screen reader very annoying and difficult.  Example of pages are Breitbart.com, wnd.com… they are becoming very common which, in my view, is a violation of the ADA that we may need to look into and report.

Is there any way to skip the ads?  Is there a freeware ads blocker that works well with NVDA?

Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal

This explanation is long.  It explains how to do this and gives an example of an efficient way to use this setting and how it may benefit you.

 

In firefox, it is a few steps to get to the place where you change the setting.  But once there, if you leave a window or tab opened, you can change it between on and off by just pressing enter in that window or tab.

Here is how you get to the setting:

In the browser address bar, type about:config.  Look at what I wrote character by character to see exactly how to type it.

Press enter.

A warning will come up.  Press the space bar.

you are now in a search field.

The first time you do this, once you are in the search field, you may want to bookmark the page for the fastest use in the future.  If you follow the bookmark, you will be on the warning message so press the space bar.

 

In the search field, type the following exactly as written:

pt.en

Tab once.  I think there is only one item in the results.  But if not, there will be very few.  The item you want says JAVA script default enabled or something very similar.  Select it if you are on it with the space bar or down arrow and up arrow.  Press enter.  it will then say
JAVA script user set bullian false or something similar. 

It is now off. 

Leave that Window opened.

Open a new window for your browsing with control n.  Or open a new tab with control t.  if you know how to move from tab to tab and from window to window, open whatever you want. 

 

If you go to a page that requires JAVA script, move to the settings window, press enter, go back to the page and reload it with f5.  If you know in advance that the page requires JAVA script, you can change the setting and then load the page as usual in the other window or tab.

As I said in another message, many pages now require scripts to function properly.  but when you are dealing with a site where certain pages do and certain ones don't like The New York Times Site, if you do the following, you will have easier to navigate article pages.

Open the home page or another page that requires scripts.  I don't know which do and don't in general.  the home page does as does the New York Times in print page.  You can tell by experimentation and what you know about sites you have visited if the pages display as they should when scripts are off.  The Times home page doesn't show all content if JAVA is off.  It shows some and for just a quick look at some important articles, that's fine.  But perhaps thirty to forty percent of the articles can't be seen if scripts are off.  So if you want to see all the articles and read them conveniently with scripts off, do the following:

Open The times home page, for example with Scripts enabled.

Then switch to the settings window and press enter to turn scripts off. 

Now go back to the other page.  Scripts will still be running on that page because it was opened before you changed the setting.  Find an article you want to read.  Use Shift enter instead of just enter.  The article will open in a new window and scripts won't be runnning.  The page may load noticeably faster and there will be considerably less interruptions on the page for things like advertising. 

Once finished, close the window with alt f4.  You will be back in the home page window, just where you left off. 

 

As I said, it's somewhat or rather geeky, but you may see benefits well worth having if you experiment and try seeing how things differ when scripts are allowed and not.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: marcio via Groups.Io

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

Gene,
I would to know how to do it in Firefox. Please, may you explain it to us? :)

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 22/01/2019 21:16, Gene escreveu:

This would probably be considered a somewhat geeky solution but it is effective and something some people might want to know about.  I avoid a lot of problems on pages that don't require JAVA script by having it off on such pages..  Alot of what you are describing, intrusive ads, refreshing pages, videos or audio that plays, are often displayed or played by use of JAVA scripts. 

 

As one possible solution to the audio problem when JAVA scripts are on, I saw in one browser, it may have been Chrome, a setting that allows you to tell the browser not to play audio on web pages.  I don't recall the exact wording and it might be different such as referring to audio and videos or a variation.  Others may know about that setting.  I saw it in passing recently but I didn't try to remember anything about it. 

 

Increasingly, pages require JAVA scripts to work properly but on a page with an article, you usually don't need to have it on.  I can explain more how I do this reasonably efficiently in Chrome and Firefox if people want to know. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pascal Lambert

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:56 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

I was just wandering as the web is getting more and more difficult for us visually impaired and blind person.  It is not only the ads but also videos that suddenly are launched when you are trying to read something and pages that refreshed and you are no longer where you were as what you were reading has moved.  All these annoyances make the web, at times, difficult to navigate.  My first option is coming to this fortunate list and various members have kindly provided various solutions.  Thanks for your suggestions.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

The ADA says things should be accessible.  I don't know if inconvenience ever rises to a level of a violation of accessibility laws, but it often doesn't.  I would suggest, when problems of formatting or such as you are describing now are found, that you ask if people know of ways to reduce or eliminate the problem instead of first resorting to a legal remedy which you will likely not get support for by institutions or those who bring accessibility actions and which may take a long time to be ejudicated in the court system. 

 

In this case, while I don't know what browser you are using , try another browser.  Also, if you do or don't want to try another browser first, Some browsers have a reading view.  If they don't, you can use an add-on.  This removes a lot of extraneous material from web pages and it may remove these long links. 

 

also, there is an NVDA add-on I saw discussed about a month ago that may deal with a problem like yours but I don't recall the name and it may do other things you don't like.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pascal Lambert

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:22 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Hi All,

Today some pages are so riddled with long links that are ads, some of which are several lines long, making reading with a screen reader very annoying and difficult.  Example of pages are Breitbart.com, wnd.com… they are becoming very common which, in my view, is a violation of the ADA that we may need to look into and report.

Is there any way to skip the ads?  Is there a freeware ads blocker that works well with NVDA?

Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal

Marcio,

            If you want to block scripts, Java and several other kinds, in Firefox then use the Add-On NoScript.  It is available from https://noscript.net/ , has been around for a very long time, and is pretty much "install it and forget it.  For myself, full script blocking is overkill, as it disables a lot of functions I actually want to keep.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

Marcio,

            If you want to block scripts, Java and several other kinds, in Firefox then use the Add-On NoScript.  It is available from https://noscript.net/ , has been around for a very long time, and is pretty much "install it and forget it.  For myself, full script blocking is overkill, as it disables a lot of functions I actually want to keep.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

This would probably be considered a somewhat geeky solution but it is effective and something some people might want to know about.  I avoid a lot of problems on pages that don't require JAVA script by having it off on such pages..  Alot of what you are describing, intrusive ads, refreshing pages, videos or audio that plays, are often displayed or played by use of JAVA scripts. 

 

As one possible solution to the audio problem when JAVA scripts are on, I saw in one browser, it may have been Chrome, a setting that allows you to tell the browser not to play audio on web pages.  I don't recall the exact wording and it might be different such as referring to audio and videos or a variation.  Others may know about that setting.  I saw it in passing recently but I didn't try to remember anything about it. 

 

Increasingly, pages require JAVA scripts to work properly but on a page with an article, you usually don't need to have it on.  I can explain more how I do this reasonably efficiently in Chrome and Firefox if people want to know. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pascal Lambert

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 4:56 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

I was just wandering as the web is getting more and more difficult for us visually impaired and blind person.  It is not only the ads but also videos that suddenly are launched when you are trying to read something and pages that refreshed and you are no longer where you were as what you were reading has moved.  All these annoyances make the web, at times, difficult to navigate.  My first option is coming to this fortunate list and various members have kindly provided various solutions.  Thanks for your suggestions.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

The ADA says things should be accessible.  I don't know if inconvenience ever rises to a level of a violation of accessibility laws, but it often doesn't.  I would suggest, when problems of formatting or such as you are describing now are found, that you ask if people know of ways to reduce or eliminate the problem instead of first resorting to a legal remedy which you will likely not get support for by institutions or those who bring accessibility actions and which may take a long time to be ejudicated in the court system. 

 

In this case, while I don't know what browser you are using , try another browser.  Also, if you do or don't want to try another browser first, Some browsers have a reading view.  If they don't, you can use an add-on.  This removes a lot of extraneous material from web pages and it may remove these long links. 

 

also, there is an NVDA add-on I saw discussed about a month ago that may deal with a problem like yours but I don't recall the name and it may do other things you don't like.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Pascal Lambert

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:22 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker

 

Hi All,

Today some pages are so riddled with long links that are ads, some of which are several lines long, making reading with a screen reader very annoying and difficult.  Example of pages are Breitbart.com, wnd.com… they are becoming very common which, in my view, is a violation of the ADA that we may need to look into and report.

Is there any way to skip the ads?  Is there a freeware ads blocker that works well with NVDA?

Any suggestion is greatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal

Marcio,

         If you want a softer approach, then please just start out with uBlock Origin, which blocks ads and selectively blocks "annoying" scripts (my term, not theirs).  If you find you want something more aggressive afterward, then try NoScript.

          Both of these programs run in "install it and forget it" mode, but both are also wildly customizable if one so chooses.  I have not so chosen, except to suspend uBlock Origin on a couple of sites where I stream commercial TV content and cannot get it to work if uBlock is active.  What's funny is that adding the Privacy Badger extension brought back blocking of TV ads when streaming (or at least it did 2 days ago) which is something that used to work with both uBlock and Adblock Plus until ABC.com blocked all content if you had either activated.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back