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Re: NVDA Speech Dictionaries - How are they stored?

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Bit like when you have redefined symbols to say something more meaningful you mean. This seems to be implemented in that particular system already.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Speech Dictionaries - How are they stored?


Tyler,

This is as I suspected, but can you merge them? I'd imagine that there's a file per dictionary type, and that if a user already had, say, default dictionary settings and wanted to merge in those of another user, they'd have to all end up in a single file.

I'm imagining these things are likely CSV files or something mighty similar and, if so, those could be merged together with ease. It would still be really nice to have an import function that checked for potential conflicts when bringing "the new stuff" in.
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Re: Microsofts latest accessibility blog post.

 

The smaller ribbon is way behind schedule, as it was supposed to debut last year.

That being said, for those who don't already know how to use the ribbon interface they're still going to have to learn.  This is just a "ribbon lite" where a number of the options currently shown will not be shown.  You will still navigate the smaller ribbon just like the larger one, there will just be fewer controls visible by default within each control group.   See:  Using the Ribbon Interface in Windows via the Keyboard

The standard menu is never coming back.  Also, I know of few users who actually brute force traverse the ribbon or menu system once they know how to perform their most commonly used functions via key press sequences.  The need to hunt through seldom occurs except for seldom used functions.  Also, the advent of the "Tell me what you want to do" function (ALT+Q), which is very much akin to the search function in Windows 10 Settings, but for the Office program you're using, generally lets you find those obscure controls much more quickly if you have the vaguest idea of either what they're called or can give a natural language description of what you're trying to do.
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Re: NVDA Speech Dictionaries - How are they stored?

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Yes, and of course there is already an add on for application dictionaries which might point at some ways to achieve this.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 2:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Speech Dictionaries - How are they stored?


This is a direct spin-off of the NVDA & IPA topic. Obviously, if anyone has created any sort of speech dictionary, that data has to be held somewhere, and I suspect it's not internally but in file somewhere, probably a separate one for the default, voice, and temporary dictionaries.

As it can be a lot of work to create elaborate ones, it would be really handy to be able to share those upon occasion. It would be really nice were NVDA to have an Import/Export function for each, but depending on exactly how and where they're stored, this may be simple to do "by hand" if necessary.

Is it possible to take, for instance, you existing default dictionary and append the contents of someone else's to that (or load it in to the voice or temporary dictionaries) with relative ease?

If not, consideration of an Import/Export Dictionary function would be a very good idea.
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a way to lock the nvda key?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'm totally drawing a blank. I looked through the manual but either I missed it or this feature does not exist.

Is there a way to lock the nvda key so it makes some key presses a bit easier for me? Then I cold unlock it when I'm done? On the mac if I hit vo plus semi, it will lock the keys and the same press will turn that off.

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Re: My problem is about Libre Office

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There is no current answer to these issues in nvda/Libra Office or Open Office. I think there are technical reasons why the browse and focus modes cannot be implemented in these free versions of office, and also why there are issues getting to certain parts of the document and doing a say all as well. Last time I looked there were tickets open for the suite needing some attention to implement the accessibility requirements to make them feasible.


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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] My problem is about Libre Office


hi.
i also use preview in web browser and it works greatly with firefox.
but when using firefox, its in readOnly mode and unfortunately i cant
edit my documents.
since comments, tables, footnotes endnotes are not accessible very
well with libreoffice, how can i edit my document and provide complete
and perfect articles with the mentioned items which are not very
accessible?

On 3/13/19, Wolf Berg via Groups.Io
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Hi list,
for pure browsing a LibreOffice file I often use the preview in web
browser which one finds in the File Menu.
Greetings,
Wolfram

zahra schrieb:
using f5 you can activate navigator.
then for example: nvda says: tables collapsed.
you can press right arrow to expand it and use down arrow key to
navigate between the table numbers.
then press enter on it.
note, unfortunately tables, endnotes, footnotes, comments, are not
very accessible with screen readers and i dont use navigator most of
the times!

On 3/13/19, Surendra JUJJAVARAPU <surendrajujjavarapu9@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you can you please help me how to navigate through heading some
tables in libreoffice where can I get this option in libreoffice thank
you
so much for responding my query

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 7:42 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

hi.
unfortunately libreoffice does not support brows mode, but you can use
navigator to move between items like: tables, headings, frames,
sections, indexes, etc and press enter on it.

On 3/13/19, Surendra JUJJAVARAPU <surendrajujjavarapu9@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi friends my name is Surendra I have a doubt it is not a doubt
actually
I
am facing a problem library office
The browse mode is works very fine with MS office but I can't afford
that
much price on MS office
But the browse mode is not working in libreoffice can you please give
me
this update on future and video thank you



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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Brice Mijares
 

For me, it didn't matter if all program notifications were turned off. I had to go into drop box preferences and disable drop box from starting at boot up. I could be in Thunderbird reading a message and Dropbox would interfere, I'd have to hit escape to get out of the message and hit enter to finish reading the message.
If I hit the windows key and type Dropbox and hit enter so I could work with drop box, I'd be bothered later by drop box again.
Lenovo
Windows version: Windows 10Ver1809 (64-bit) build 17763.348


Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Lino Morales
 

Brian I’ll send you a screen shot when this happens here.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 12:23:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
 
Is it possible for someone to take a screen shot when this is occurring and e-mail it to me (as they can't be attached here)?

Under Win10 you should be able to hit WinKey+PrtSc and have a PNG file automatically created in your Pictures library in a folder named ScreenShots.  Under Windows 7 I would think just PrtSc should work to capture the screen, but you'd then have to paste it into Paint or similar to save it.

There may be something in what's presented that might allow me to propose a workaround.  I'm just not willing to go so far as to install and start playing with DropBox on my own machine.
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Re: An important message about Microsoft Windows 10 updates

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Well not if its trashed the operating system as it just did to a friend of mines machine it won't!
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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 1:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] An important message about Microsoft Windows 10 updates


I almost never start off topic threads. If this is not considered appropriate, let me know. This seems to me to be a very important news story, however.

Here is a story from Kim Komando about how Microsoft is finally really doing something to deal with problems caused by its seemingly unending record of bad updates. It's past time

If this works as its supposed to, it may save a lot of users serious problems.
https://www.komando.com/happening-now/554278/windows-10-will-now-automatically-uninstall-buggy-updates?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2019-03-13

Gene


Re: Sticky selection won't go away

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If you instead restart nvda instead of the spreadsheet, will it then let you come out? I only ask as this sounds a bit like my problem with things getting stuck one way or another, are you using the latest beta of nvda?
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From: "Cearbhall O'Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 12:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sticky selection won't go away


Hi,



I am applying conditional formatting to certain rows in a multipage workbook
in Excel 2016.



After I have successfully set up the new formatting and applied it to the
worksheet, I find NVDA calling out a selected range of cells that is not the
one that the formatting applies to but I have no further need for any
selection, so, I press escape with the intention of dismissing the
selection. However, no matter what keys I press I cannot get the selection
to cease. Also, I cannot move to any other worksheet. I try pressing
NVDA+space to move to focus mode but still I cannot move from the worksheet.



The only way to break from the selection is to save the worksheet so that my
conditional formatting is not lost and exit Excel. When I reopen Excel on
the same workbook, it opens, as you would expect, on the same worksheet
where I was working. The selection is still showing. But, this time I can
press NVDA+space to switch to focus mode and then I can press control+page
down to go to the next worksheet and all is well.



Even when I return to the worksheet where I applied the formatting, the
selection is still active. The only difference is that it is no longer
trapping the cursor.



All ideas welcome! Please let me know if you have a solution to this
annoying problem.





All the best,



Cearbhall



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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

Which is why I never run any distracting software unless I need it.

Then again I only use dropbox for myself the time I used it for colaberation is over for now.

From time to time I use it for well various things, and I have managed to get 6gb of data from dropbox for nothing with referals.

Eventually I'd like to get the full 16 but its not on my top list right now.



On 14/03/2019 4:19 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Mine appears sometimes every 15 to 20 minutes, sometimes every hour, sometimes never throughout the day. I could be in my flight sim and get the pop ups. And that's when the trouble starts especially if I'm trying to land. I'm glad they are finally looking into this.

On 12 Mar 2019, at 21:58, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


While this Drop Box issue is an annoyance, it goes away within a few minutes after system boot on my computer.  Are others having the phantom windows stay visible indefinitely?


On 3/12/2019 10:57 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm sure if the program weren't running, you wouldn't get such notifications.  But some people want the program to be constantly running and for those people this would be a problem.  And even if you have the program run at boot up, you can close it in the system tray.
 
Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Would simply disabling it from Startup stop these invisible Dropbox windows from popping up?, or would the notifications also need to be turned off?

Annette

On 3/12/2019 8:17 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
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Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
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From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
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Re: Microsofts latest accessibility blog post.

 

Well you could ask them to do it via feadback hub.

Now thats not saying that they will, or that they have allready, you never know, however as I said before microsoft are more open than they have been in the past in ffact in the last 2-4 years they have become extremely open on issues in general the 1809 issue not withstanding with deleted files.

In fact that may have kicked their asses in to top gear and it looks like they are staying in good form.

It wouldn't hurt to make a suggestion at least.



On 14/03/2019 1:03 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
Well, it's a good post, but I wish Microsoft kept giving us road maps of what they were doing and such like they did at the start of Windows 10, and I wish they would put their products together more, like advancements in Seeing AI into Narrator, and *accessible* traversal of messages in a thread in Outlook, like on Outlook Mobile.
Devin Pratersent from Gmail.


On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 6:51 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:
I'm glad they included something about their new small ribbon, but when
will it get to the desktop Office? The blog link is below.


https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2019/03/12/csun2019-jlf-%e2%80%8e/





Re: Weather Plus 5.0 update available

Ron Canazzi
 

An easier way is to open the Weather Plus settings and choose documentation. It takes you to the folder where 5 files including read me first are located.

On 3/13/2019 6:30 AM, Hermann-Josef Kurzen wrote:
Hi Gary,

unfortunately Adriano didn't tell where to find the file "weather first settings.html".
I've found it under:
j:\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\doc
where j:\ is my users directory. The right folder for You is "en"
And in this folder there is the file "weather plus first settings.html".


Greetings - Hermann



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Hi Adriano,

I can't seem to find the read me 1st file. Also, how do I get a key? Thanks for any help.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 3:07 AM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io; nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Weather Plus 5.0 update available

Hi to every one,

After more than 2 months it is back in operative :)

Changes in this new version:

. Weather Plus now uses the APIXU API, in my opinion better than the previous one; To work requires an API key, read the Weather Plus First Settings.html for instructions (highly recommended).
#Changes in the Weather Plus Settings window:
. Removed old checkbox "State of barometric pressure".
. Replaced with new checkbox "Add cloudiness value"; It gives you the percentage of cloudiness.
. Added new checkbox "Add precipitation value"; It gives you the amount in millimeters or inches of precipitation.
. Removed old checkbox "Indicates the wait with a beep while you search for the latest bulletin"; Left active by default.
. Added to the Astronomic informations;
Time of moonrise and moonset.
. Added new button "Rename";
To rename cities more conveniently.
. Improved function of the "Test" button; Now accept some commands to facilitate the search for cities; These new commands are described in the help function that can be called up with F1.
. Added button to manage your API key.

Weather Plus can update itself, however you can download it directly from:

. http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus5.0.nvda-addon

or from the pages:

. http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus#main-content

. https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html

If the file extension arrives as .zip,please correct it with .nvda-addon.


Cheers

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Re: using win 7 after january 2020

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I'm puzzled, why would say this isn't a legal practice?
The whole point of opensource is so others can modify the software to meet their needs. There's nothing illegal about forking a project and making changes to it. Lots of mainstream projects came about this way, librioffice was a fork of open office, maria DB was a fork of mysql, and even apache has had forks become well known in their own right, though I can't remember the project names off the top of my head, and I'm too lazy to go look them up. Forking a project and making a new one is perfectly legal, and often times, it's even encouraged, because changes made to those other projects sometimes get rolled back into the original project, which helps everyone get better software.

On Wed, 13 Mar 2019, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Actually windows 10 isn't that bad to be honest with the right tweaks installed.

The only reason I have the stuff I do is to make the shell a bit easier to use, and its only a little bit.

There are a few classic apps I have as well as a few other things, though now some of the universals are opensourced like calc there is no reason why someone couldn't create a blind or classic version and call it something else.

I have seen modified projects which have forks back to the original base project so it seems this is an acceptable if not legal practice.


Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Richard Bartholomew
 

It’s not across all Windows 10 as I’ve never seen the window.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 March 2019 15:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

I wonder if this happens on other versions of Windows than Windows 10.  I use Windows 7.  I don't have Drop Box start on boot up, but when I run Drop Box, I don't have this problem and if I let it run for considerable periods of time, I don't have the problem.

 

Gene

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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 10:19 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

Mine appears sometimes every 15 to 20 minutes, sometimes every hour, sometimes never throughout the day. I could be in my flight sim and get the pop ups. And that's when the trouble starts especially if I'm trying to land. I'm glad they are finally looking into this.

On 12 Mar 2019, at 21:58, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,

 

While this Drop Box issue is an annoyance, it goes away within a few minutes after system boot on my computer.  Are others having the phantom windows stay visible indefinitely?

 

On 3/12/2019 10:57 PM, Gene wrote:

I'm sure if the program weren't running, you wouldn't get such notifications.  But some people want the program to be constantly running and for those people this would be a problem.  And even if you have the program run at boot up, you can close it in the system tray.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:51 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

Would simply disabling it from Startup stop these invisible Dropbox windows from popping up?, or would the notifications also need to be turned off?

Annette

On 3/12/2019 8:17 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
 Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes






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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Richard Bartholomew
 

Try unchecking all notifications in the Dropbox preferences - this is how I have things and I've never seen this window - mind you, this is under Windows 10 and not 7!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sile via Groups.Io
Sent: 13 March 2019 16:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Yes, it is happening to me on Windows 7. It is extremely frustrating because I can't dismiss these dialog boxes and they pop up while I am teaching and using ppt ...


Please, someone, tell me how to make them stop. I can't uninstall dropbox as I use it all the time for manageing uploads and downloads from our CMS,


--Sile


On 3/13/2019 11:54 AM, Gene wrote:
I wonder if this happens on other versions of Windows than Windows 10. I use Windows 7. I don't have Drop Box start on boot up, but when I run Drop Box, I don't have this problem and if I let it run for considerable periods of time, I don't have the problem.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Mine appears sometimes every 15 to 20 minutes, sometimes every hour, sometimes never throughout the day. I could be in my flight sim and get the pop ups. And that's when the trouble starts especially if I'm trying to land. I'm glad they are finally looking into this.

On 12 Mar 2019, at 21:58, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,




While this Drop Box issue is an annoyance, it goes away within a few minutes after system boot on my computer. Are others having the phantom windows stay visible indefinitely?




On 3/12/2019 10:57 PM, Gene wrote:

I'm sure if the program weren't running, you wouldn't get such notifications. But some people want the program to be constantly running and for those people this would be a problem. And even if you have the program run at boot up, you can close it in the system tray.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Annette Moore
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Would simply disabling it from Startup stop these invisible Dropbox windows from popping up?, or would the notifications also need to be turned off?

Annette


On 3/12/2019 8:17 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.


On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.




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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups



For me, this is not a notification. It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.



George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning: I read this information a little late. However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave



On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages? These are, presumably, shown in the system tray. I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running. I don't know if I have the latest version. But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available. I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version. Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups



The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly? You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92. Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field. The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears. In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating. Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes









Re: An important message about Microsoft Windows 10 updates

 

There are things that are of such potential importance, this being one of them, that any usual rules should not apply.

Joseph Lee posted this link, direct to the Microsoft source, regarding these reports, which are correct:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4492307/windows-10-why-were-recently-installed-updates-removed
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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Roger Stewart
 

I've had a sighted friend watch the screen when I boot up. We hear nvda saying the dropbox window, but I can assure that there is nothing visible at all on the screen nor is there anything to alt tab to or away from Think it's just nvda picking up on dropbox starting in the system tray. Don't know why I've never heard this before until a few days ago. It only happens once at startup and then never again even when I get notifications that something has changed in my dropbox folders.
Roger









On 3/13/2019 11:47 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:

I highly suspect these windows are invisible - Dropbox wouldn't ship an update that annoys sighted users every hour with a useless window like this. That would be too egregious of a bug.

On 3/13/2019 9:23 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Is it possible for someone to take a screen shot when this is occurring and e-mail it to me (as they can't be attached here)?

Under Win10 you should be able to hit WinKey+PrtSc and have a PNG file automatically created in your Pictures library in a folder named ScreenShots.  Under Windows 7 I would think just PrtSc should work to capture the screen, but you'd then have to paste it into Paint or similar to save it.

There may be something in what's presented that might allow me to propose a workaround.  I'm just not willing to go so far as to install and start playing with DropBox on my own machine.
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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Gene
 

You can close the program in the system tray.  At the Drop Box icon, if you are working directly with the system tray, press enter to do the equivalent of a left click.  then up arrow once and press enter on exit.
 
If you are using the system tray dialog, I'm not sure if the procedure may differ from screen-reader to screen-reader. 
 
Try right clicking, then, if necessary, press enter to open the context menu.  then up arrow to exit and press enter.
 
If you want to open drop Box again, press enter on the desk icon.  You may get a window to take further actions.  Press enter and see if you are in a menu from which you can open the program.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Yes, it is happening to me on Windows 7.  It is extremely frustrating
because I can't dismiss these dialog boxes and they pop up while I am
teaching and using ppt ...


Please, someone, tell me how to make them stop.  I can't uninstall
dropbox as I use it all the time for manageing uploads and downloads
from our CMS,


--Sile


On 3/13/2019 11:54 AM, Gene wrote:
> I wonder if this happens on other versions of Windows than Windows 10.  I use Windows 7.  I don't have Drop Box start on boot up, but when I run Drop Box, I don't have this problem and if I let it run for considerable periods of time, I don't have the problem.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sarah k Alawami
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 10:19 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
>
>
> Mine appears sometimes every 15 to 20 minutes, sometimes every hour, sometimes never throughout the day. I could be in my flight sim and get the pop ups. And that's when the trouble starts especially if I'm trying to land. I'm glad they are finally looking into this.
>
> On 12 Mar 2019, at 21:58, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>
>    Hi Group,
>
>
>
>
>    While this Drop Box issue is an annoyance, it goes away within a few minutes after system boot on my computer.  Are others having the phantom windows stay visible indefinitely?
>
>
>
>
>    On 3/12/2019 10:57 PM, Gene wrote:
>
>      I'm sure if the program weren't running, you wouldn't get such notifications.  But some people want the program to be constantly running and for those people this would be a problem.  And even if you have the program run at boot up, you can close it in the system tray.
>
>      Gene
>      ----- Original Message -----
>
>      From: Annette Moore
>      Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:51 PM
>      To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>      Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
>
>
>      Would simply disabling it from Startup stop these invisible Dropbox windows from popping up?, or would the notifications also need to be turned off?
>
>      Annette
>
>
>      On 3/12/2019 8:17 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
>
>        it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.
>
>
>        On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
>
>          Its annoying as hell.
>
>
>
>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
>                                                                           
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>          From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
>          Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
>          To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>          Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
>
>          That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.
>
>
>
>
>
>          From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
>          Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
>          To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>          Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
>
>
>
>          For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.
>
>
>
>          George
>
>          On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:
>
>            Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.
>
>            Dave
>
>
>
>            On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:
>
>              Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.
>
>
>
>              Gene
>
>              ----- Original Message -----
>
>              From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>
>              Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM
>
>              To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
>              Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
>
>
>
>              The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
>              To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
>              problem
>               Brian
>
>              bglists@...
>              Sent via blueyonder.
>              Please address personal E-mail to:-
>              briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>              in the display name field.
>              ----- Original Message -----
>              From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
>              To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>              Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
>              Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
>
>
>              Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
>              run it when you want to use it.
>
>              Gene
>              ----- Original Message -----
>
>              From: James Scholes
>              Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
>              To: nvda@groups.io
>              Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
>
>
>              Hi all,
>
>              I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
>              NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
>              contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
>              the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
>              disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
>              pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.
>
>              As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
>              is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?
>
>              Regards,
>
>              James Scholes
>              https://twitter.com/JamesScholes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: Reviewing the screen, help

James AUSTIN
 

This may have already been suggested but have you tried pressing NVDA key +5 on the number row to report dynamic content changes?


On 13 Mar 2019, at 02:51, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:

I'm thinking the oroginal post didn't give us enough information. 

When using the command prompt, you should get speech just fine.  I use the command line a lot in windows (both 8.1 on my desktop, and 10 when I'm using my laptop), and in both cases, the command prompt talks just fine for me.

If you want to review data already printed on the screen, numpad 7 8 and 9 will read previous line, next line, and current line, and typing the command with a vertical bar followed by more will page your output one screen at a time if you want to read it page by page.  I did turn off key echo, (NVDA-2 because of the spelling issue, but otherwise, the command prompt works just fine for me, and it should for you as well. 

All the suggestions posted in this thread are useful pieces of information to get things where you can do stuff with them, but if you're just talking about reading the command prompt screen with NVDA, you shouldn't have to do anything at all, it should just work, if this isn't the case, then there's something wrong somewhere, and that's really what should be focused on, instead of other ways to get the info.

On 3/12/2019 5:25 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi all

You also could run notepad to read your output from inside cmd, Brian is the one to ask about this.

Regards Adrian

On 08/03/2019 16:33, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure what you are saying.  Try being at the Command Prompt and typing something like dir and pressing enter.  the point is to get information on the screen, it doesn't matter just what you do to get text displayed.
Now, try moving with numpad 7 and numpad 9.  To hear the current line, use numpad 8.  All these commands are just numpad keys by themselves, not in combination with numpad insert or anything else.  Can you move around the screen? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reviewing the screen, help

It used to be easier, seriously?
Since I started using this prompt it kept the very same way. When it was different? Surely I'd rather the old way then :)

Cheers,
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Em 08/03/2019 10:41, Howard Traxler escreveu:

Thank you Marcio.  It sure does work; Although it's quite a lot of stuff to do when it used to be so easy.



On 3/7/2019 8:18 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,
I also couldn't figure out a way of reading the information presented on the screen.
As a workaround, if you want, you could try what follows:
1. Being on the prompt, press "ALT+Spacebar"
2. Up/down arrow until you find "edit" and press enter
3. Up/down arrow until you find "select all" and press enter.
You've just selected all the content which is on the screen at this point.
4. Press "ALT+Spacebar" again
5. Up/down arrow until "edit"
6. Up/down arrow until "copy".
You've just copied what you selected. Now all that content is on your clipboard.
7. Open Notepad and paste the content there so you can read.

Hth


Cheers,
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Em 07/03/2019 22:58, Howard Traxler escreveu:
Hi all,


Using NVDA in Windows 10:


When I "run" the cmd command I get the system command prompt. Then I type in a command such as DIR or shutdown followed by slash question mark.  I get a screen full of command line switch options but I can't figure out how to get NVDA to read them to me. Probably one of the review modes, but I just can't figure it out. Can anyone help, please?


Thanks.

Howard








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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 12:47 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Dropbox wouldn't ship an update that annoys sighted users every hour with a useless window like this.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.  This kind of crud does occur, and what you experience is generally an offshoot of what everyone's experiencing, but where those who see just dismiss it and go along with life, grumbling mightily about the stupidity of it all.

It's happened before, and will certainly happen again.
 
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