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Re: NVDA and Zotero

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hello all,

One last message to say that it did work. I am now able to cite multiple sources. It would not have occurred to me that the button would only appear after the first source had been selected and that I would need to eventually go back and add it after the 2nd source but that is how it works for screen reader users, apparently. 

Thank you! I have a functional reference manager for the first time in my academic life. 

Warmly,
Saly 

On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 10:00 AM Sally Kiebdaj via Groups.Io <fiddle.pup=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello,

I wil play with it again today but thought I tried that and found no buttons. It may be that I am not successfully focusing the 2nd citation. 

To others asking about the application, it  is useful in academic writing and given the number of students I have seen post to this list I can imagine a guide would be helpful. It would also be nice for those not on the list who get no help from their own colleges and universities but run a search or use NVDA and look  for NVDA tutorials related to being a student. 

Warmly,
Sally 

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 8:32 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

hi,

The buttons are only in the classical dialogue. You need it to show you the classical dialogue in the multiple sitations mode. In object nav, you will hear buttons, such as 24 of 14 button. Presing the first one on the left will add second citation, while other will remove it. You need to have focus on the second citation you want to add first though.

On 3/4/2019 3:51 PM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:

Hello, 

I haven't cited any books yet so don't have an answer. Would you like me to ask a librarian and see if their instructions help?

For your solution to the multiple references, I see no buttons. Are you in the classic citation view or no? What operating system are you using? I would love to figure this out with your help.

As a side note, I would really like if we could pool our expertise and write up a guide for Gene'S website. I feel strongly that academic Programs like this are just as important to explain and support as more basic ones.

Cheers,
Sally


On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 16:06 enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

hi,

There is a solution for multiple citations. There is a numbered button, click one after moving focus to the citation you want to add after the first, and it will add it. IOne of them will add, while the other removes.

I have another problem. Do you know how to change a book entry to book section, and then add authors and editors? When I change the editor field to an author, or vice versa, wrong author is changed.

On 3/1/2019 10:00 PM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hi all,

To revive this thread, I can give a partial answer to the original question and need to ask one of my own.

If you go to the zotero desktop application and under preferences find citation then word processor and check the "use classic citation  checkbox, you will get a dialogue in word that is 99% accessible. 

The only thing that has not worked for me is citing multiple works in a single in text citation. In the classic citation dialogue there is an add button that NVDA does not see with any cursor and in the default dialogue I hear only a string of HTML code rather than "unknown." 

i have posted to the zotero forum and will let you know what i hear back. 

Does anyone else have experience here with zotero or any other free citation manager? 

It was a huge help to have this on my last paper and I'd like to see it work or have access to something equivalent for academic writing. 

Warmly,
Sally 

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 11:56 AM Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:
Reference management and citation generation.

On 7/29/18, 06:30, "Ben J. Bloomgren" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of godsquad@...> wrote:

    What does Zotero do?


    Ben


    On 7/29/2018 3:00, James AUSTIN wrote:
    > Morning folks
    >
    > I hope you are all well.
    >
    > Has anyone found a way of using Zotero with NVDA please? I have
    > installed the plugin for Word but am unable to access the dialogue
    > that appears. NVDA reports 'unknown'.
    >
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Best
    >
    > James
    >
    >
    >
    >











Microsofts latest accessibility blog post.

 

I'm glad they included something about their new small ribbon, but when will it get to the desktop Office? The blog link is below.


https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2019/03/12/csun2019-jlf-%e2%80%8e/


Re: Weather Plus 5.0 update available

Jacob Kruger
 

If you find the weather plus settings menu under NVDA's preferences
menu, then arrow down to documentation, it will open the folder
containing the documentation, including Weather Plus First
Settings.html, which mentions the API key, obtaining it, etc.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
082 413 4791
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-03-13 12:30 PM, Hermann-Josef Kurzen wrote:
Hi Gary,

unfortunately Adriano didn't tell where to find the file "weather first settings.html".
I've found it under:
j:\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\doc
where j:\ is my users directory. The right folder for You is "en"
And in this folder there is the file "weather plus first settings.html".


Greetings - Hermann



--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: "Gary Metzler" <gmtravel@comcast.net> Wichtigkeit Normal
Lesebestätigung wurde nicht angefordert
Gesendet am: Mi, 13. März 2019 05:36:04 -0400
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io;
CC:
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 5.0 update available
Verwendetes Mailprogramm: vermutlich online im WEB erstellt

Hi Adriano,

I can't seem to find the read me 1st file. Also, how do I get a key? Thanks for any help.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 3:07 AM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io; nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Weather Plus 5.0 update available

Hi to every one,

After more than 2 months it is back in operative :)

Changes in this new version:

. Weather Plus now uses the APIXU API, in my opinion better than the previous one; To work requires an API key, read the Weather Plus First Settings.html for instructions (highly recommended).
#Changes in the Weather Plus Settings window:
. Removed old checkbox "State of barometric pressure".
. Replaced with new checkbox "Add cloudiness value"; It gives you the percentage of cloudiness.
. Added new checkbox "Add precipitation value"; It gives you the amount in millimeters or inches of precipitation.
. Removed old checkbox "Indicates the wait with a beep while you search for the latest bulletin"; Left active by default.
. Added to the Astronomic informations;
Time of moonrise and moonset.
. Added new button "Rename";
To rename cities more conveniently.
. Improved function of the "Test" button; Now accept some commands to facilitate the search for cities; These new commands are described in the help function that can be called up with F1.
. Added button to manage your API key.

Weather Plus can update itself, however you can download it directly from:

. http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus5.0.nvda-addon

or from the pages:

. http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus#main-content

. https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html

If the file extension arrives as .zip,please correct it with .nvda-addon.


Cheers

adriano











Re: Weather Plus 5.0 update available

Hermann-Josef Kurzen
 

Hi Gary,

unfortunately Adriano didn't tell where to find the file "weather first settings.html".
I've found it under:
j:\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\Weather Plus\doc
where j:\ is my users directory. The right folder for You is "en"
And in this folder there is the file "weather plus first settings.html".


Greetings - Hermann



--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---

Von: "Gary Metzler" <gmtravel@comcast.net> Wichtigkeit Normal
Lesebestätigung wurde nicht angefordert
Gesendet am: Mi, 13. März 2019 05:36:04 -0400
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io;
CC:
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 5.0 update available
Verwendetes Mailprogramm: vermutlich online im WEB erstellt

Hi Adriano,

I can't seem to find the read me 1st file. Also, how do I get a key? Thanks for any help.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 3:07 AM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io; nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Weather Plus 5.0 update available

Hi to every one,

After more than 2 months it is back in operative :)

Changes in this new version:

. Weather Plus now uses the APIXU API, in my opinion better than the previous one; To work requires an API key, read the Weather Plus First Settings.html for instructions (highly recommended).
#Changes in the Weather Plus Settings window:
. Removed old checkbox "State of barometric pressure".
. Replaced with new checkbox "Add cloudiness value"; It gives you the percentage of cloudiness.
. Added new checkbox "Add precipitation value"; It gives you the amount in millimeters or inches of precipitation.
. Removed old checkbox "Indicates the wait with a beep while you search for the latest bulletin"; Left active by default.
. Added to the Astronomic informations;
Time of moonrise and moonset.
. Added new button "Rename";
To rename cities more conveniently.
. Improved function of the "Test" button; Now accept some commands to facilitate the search for cities; These new commands are described in the help function that can be called up with F1.
. Added button to manage your API key.

Weather Plus can update itself, however you can download it directly from:

. http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus5.0.nvda-addon

or from the pages:

. http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus#main-content

. https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html

If the file extension arrives as .zip,please correct it with .nvda-addon.


Cheers

adriano










locked Re: NVDA for Android and IOS

Curtis Delzer
 

I can answer that one, I used windows 95, even back to windows 3.1. :) and it was accessible.

On 3/12/2019 9:48 PM, zahra wrote:
hi shaun.
since you are expert and tried different versions of windows,
do you mean that dos and windows 95 were not accessible and the first
accessible version of windows, is windows 98?
did i understand you correctly?
thanks again for any help, God bless you!

On 3/11/19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Well to be honest what we really need to remember is why we got jaws,
before freedom scientiffic became the real bad boy it is now, and other
readers.

Back in the dos days there was no accessibility at all.

Nothing much came from microsoft's end.

This continued through to windows 95.

In windows 98, microsoft started the active accessibility libraries
which improved things but not that much.

In 2003 or there abouts with help from gwmicro the direct chain manager
was done so you could handle readers in a multiple chained process,
before that you made your own chains but they were unstable.

Basically the first screen reader was your video card, which was part of
the next reader up till the end, the last screen reader was your video
card.

Start one out of sync, run 2 at once, remove and or uninstall things in
an unordered fashion and you broke the chain.

There were 2 ways to fix this.

1. remove the chain, reinstall the video drivers and make another one.

Or just reformat.

Which I did a lot of.

You needed technical experience to make the reg files for the chain and
while I got dolphin support to construct one, it was as fragile as a
glass window, and not that good.

The dcm became mirror drivers in vista and 7 and then in windows 8
microsoft started the universal access librarys we all love and loath.

The reason jaws and others existed was simply because microsoft didn't
come to the party till late.

Even when xp to 7 came up, microsoft never really put much into narator.

It was just after the laws came in going against those that didn't make
stuff accessible.

It probably also helped that after the death of outspoken and all the
new laws, apple not only showed that it could make an accessible reader
but showed off that it could make something better than waht was about
at the time.

Voiceover has its limits of course but it is in all the programs and
devices now.

Google, same with talkback but there were others at first in droid.

So eventually microsoft had to move.

The reason we are seeing the reader industry shrinking now is possibly
because microsoft is pulling its weight and attempting to catch up to
all the rest.

Now narator is nothing against nvda but its close.

Narator is not jaws.

But its big enough as a bold new kid on the block, not fully grown mind
you that it is shifting mountains if only smaller ones.

Time will tell with businesses if this means the death of jaws or other
readers, sadly dolphin seem to be in no hurry to improve at any speed so
sadly they may die.

I have used their stuff for ages now but still.

Of course the fact we are using a more or less web based interface both
inside of our oses now and online on websites and web based programs
does help.

There was a time where anything went and while there are a few bad
acters about its not as bad a landscape as it was 5 years back.



There is one end of the road in the screen readers though.

And this isn't actually jaws, either we have reached the inovation curve
and thats not likely because nvda is still inovating things.

Its almost like the comercial guys can't be bothered either that or ms
is moving to fast with their current model.

Or maybe we can accept that most of them have just about done everything
they set out to do and who knows.

As an os, while I really like win10's ease of use, search, and a few
other apps, and shortcuts, the only reason I wouldn't go back to 7 is
simply because 10 in some ways needs less shortcuts to get things done
and less key presses.

On the flipside without my hacking tweaking tools win10 would be quite
hellish.

On the systems I admin which are not mine there are issues, and I hate
ribbons.

Most everything else I can get used to.

On 12/03/2019 3:04 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
What people need to remember here is that accessibility software,
regardless of platform, has generally arisen due to a couple of
factors, with different emphases:

1. Recognition of lack of accessibility and need for it
2. Desire to make money
3. Desire to provide a real alternative to expensive option(s) many
cannot afford
4. Public relations value


It is no surprise that Windows, the world's most widely used computing
platform, has more than its share of screen readers because all of the
above have been at play with the various players in the field at one
point or another. I leave it to you, the reader, to decide which were
bigger factors for each product.

Factor #1 is utterly lacking on iOS and Android. Whether one likes
VoiceOver or TalkBack, both are fully mature products that do their
job admirably. There can almost certainly be nothing as far as
factors numbers one through three are concerned in these environments,
and given the degree of maturity and broad acceptance of what is
already available, factor number four has almost zero impact. Who's
going to hail "the next VoiceOver/TalkBack"? Not many, that's for
darned sure.

There are limited resources for implementing accessibility software,
both monetary and otherwise. It makes absolutely no sense to try to
open a market that's not really a market in the first place. Choices
have to be made, and the probability of an entity that has the history
of NVAccess doing a radical gear shift to other platforms makes very
little sense from virtually any angle.

My dear departed Aunt Lila used to quote a rather salty old relative
of hers when people brought up wishes such as this, that have all the
odds stacked against them, and for good reason, "Wish in one hand,
s*^t in the other, and see which gets full first." That sums up my
thoughts about the feasibility and likelihood of NVDA leaping across
computing ecosystems.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep./*

~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/


--


Curtis Delzer
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA


Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi !

In answer to your question, Ron, the only time I get a Dropbox window I never used to get is just before my computer finishes booting, and it disappears in less than a minute, not coming back till the computer boots again. I don’t know whether it makes a difference that I’m on Windows 7, but I have never noticed any strange Dropbox windows appearing after my computer has finished booting. I am using Dropbox 68.4.102, which I assume is the latest version, as my Dropbox automatically updates on its own.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: mercredi 13 mars 2019 05:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

Hi Group,

 

While this Drop Box issue is an annoyance, it goes away within a few minutes after system boot on my computer.  Are others having the phantom windows stay visible indefinitely?

 

On 3/12/2019 10:57 PM, Gene wrote:

I'm sure if the program weren't running, you wouldn't get such notifications.  But some people want the program to be constantly running and for those people this would be a problem.  And even if you have the program run at boot up, you can close it in the system tray.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:51 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

Would simply disabling it from Startup stop these invisible Dropbox windows from popping up?, or would the notifications also need to be turned off?

Annette

On 3/12/2019 8:17 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes






-- 
 
 
Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
 
-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Weather Plus 5.0 update available

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Adriano,

I can't seem to find the read me 1st file. Also, how do I get a key? Thanks for any help.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 3:07 AM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io; nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Weather Plus 5.0 update available

Hi to every one,

After more than 2 months it is back in operative :)

Changes in this new version:

• Weather Plus now uses the APIXU API, in my opinion better than the previous one; To work requires an API key, read the Weather Plus First Settings.html for instructions (highly recommended).
#Changes in the Weather Plus Settings window:
• Removed old checkbox "State of barometric pressure".
• Replaced with new checkbox "Add cloudiness value"; It gives you the percentage of cloudiness.
• Added new checkbox "Add precipitation value"; It gives you the amount in millimeters or inches of precipitation.
• Removed old checkbox "Indicates the wait with a beep while you search for the latest bulletin"; Left active by default.
• Added to the Astronomic informations;
Time of moonrise and moonset.
• Added new button "Rename";
To rename cities more conveniently.
• Improved function of the "Test" button; Now accept some commands to facilitate the search for cities; These new commands are described in the help function that can be called up with F1.
• Added button to manage your API key.

Weather Plus can update itself, however you can download it directly from:

http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus5.0.nvda-addon

or from the pages:

http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus#main-content

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html

If the file extension arrives as .zip,please correct it with .nvda-addon.


Cheers

adriano


Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Richard Bartholomew
 

Firstly, my apologies if I’m going over old ground but I missed the start of this thread and, therefore, don’t know the configuration under which this happens!

 

I’m using Dropbox V68.4.102 under Windows 10, 1809 and have it running constantly from bootup to shutdown and have never seen this window, thankfully.  Under Dropbox Preferences and in the notification tab, I have everything unchecked as I don’t want to be pestered with file update notifications since I share folders with a large number of people and constantly hearing them, for me, is very irritating…besides which, if you’re away from the PC, you miss them anyway so why not miss them all?  Is it having these checkboxes set which is causing the problem?

 

I do find NVDA very sluggish in the Dropbox Systray area compared to other screenreaders but, other than this and their awful website, I seem to be fortunate in having no problems with it and neither do those with whom I share folders! 

 

Richard Bartholomew

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: 13 March 2019 04:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

Hi Group,

 

While this Drop Box issue is an annoyance, it goes away within a few minutes after system boot on my computer.  Are others having the phantom windows stay visible indefinitely?

 

On 3/12/2019 10:57 PM, Gene wrote:

I'm sure if the program weren't running, you wouldn't get such notifications.  But some people want the program to be constantly running and for those people this would be a problem.  And even if you have the program run at boot up, you can close it in the system tray.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:51 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

Would simply disabling it from Startup stop these invisible Dropbox windows from popping up?, or would the notifications also need to be turned off?

Annette

On 3/12/2019 8:17 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes






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Re: requesting link to chat group

Akshaya Choudhary
 

I realised that I was subscribed to a group called Blind Techies, not Blind Tech. Mabe that's why low activity.


Re: getting a weird message when I try to read some messages in thunderbird

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes you get a pause then it times out, but the receiving bit seems oblivious to this issue and tries to tell you it malformed or something like that.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@gmx.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting a weird message when I try to read some messages in thunderbird


By the way, the most common cause is when you have a large message, such as one with an attachment coming in.

On 3/12/2019 11:30 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Ok.



On 3/12/2019 9:25 PM, Richard Wells wrote:
Rose Marie: Don't worry about this message. It just means that Thunderbird is having a little trouble connecting to either imap or through your network. It will sort itself out. I see this from time to time and it goes away by itself without any intervention.

On 3/12/2019 11:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I was trying to read some messages in thunderbird. Here's the message I get.


imap://knitqueen2007%40gmail%2Ecom@imap.gmail.com:993/fetch%3EUID%3E/INBOX%3E249299How do I solve this? Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie







Re: getting a weird message when I try to read some messages in thunderbird

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes Outlook Express and Outlook both used to put up strange messages if a folder or message did not seem to be correct. I guess the error checking or the time outs tend to confuse the routines used by the imap collection system in email software.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@gmx.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting a weird message when I try to read some messages in thunderbird


Rose Marie: Don't worry about this message. It just means that Thunderbird is having a little trouble connecting to either imap or through your network. It will sort itself out. I see this from time to time and it goes away by itself without any intervention.

On 3/12/2019 11:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I was trying to read some messages in thunderbird. Here's the message I get.


imap://knitqueen2007%40gmail%2Ecom@imap.gmail.com:993/fetch%3EUID%3E/INBOX%3E249299How do I solve this? Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie





Re: Nvda and the International phonetic Alphabet, (IPA)

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes this seems to be a shortcoming of the synths themselves to my way of thinking and as such really out of the control of nvda. Everyone seems to make their synths work slightly differently and I guess unless somebody has solved this and has the right text files to make them sound right, you have to do it the hard way.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Teri McElroy" <shimzin.lists@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda and the International phonetic Alphabet, (IPA)


Hello Lev

I have just recently emailed the list to find out about this same topic. You can go to the nvda menu, then preferences, punctuation/symbol pronunciation. You'll need to input the symbols along with how you want the speech engine to pronounce them. However, I don't think putting in the unicode values is going to work. You'll need to input the actual symbol along with how you want NVDA to pronounce it. I've just tried entering a unicode value here and it didn't work for me. But when I enter the actual symbol, it does.

You can find information about punctuation/symbol pronunciation in section 11.2.2 of the online userguide. It will explain about inputting symbols.

Hope that helps.


Teri


On 13-Mar-19 8:18 AM, Lev wrote:


Hello,

I have noticed that espeak reads some symbols of the international phonetic alphabet; however, this can not be done by other synthetic voices, so my question is this:

How to make that nvda reads correctly those symbols regardless of the synthetizer?

Or, how to make that other synthetizers read those symbols?For instance, vocalizer.

I got the Unicode transcription for all the symbols that I want.

The syntaxis is this:

U+00E6=Ash

Where the term “ash” is the proper name for that particular symbol.

So, is there a file inside the installation folder of nvda or user settings where I can paste that syntaxis to have nvda reading all those symbols?

Thanks for any info.

--
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Re: Finally, got an alt tab breaking log, I think

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well, Although I do get warnings of deprecated parts of the add on there are no show stoppers as far as I can see. In your case it seems that the loop you are in is just that, a loop and nothing will stop it except a complete change of app, like your log debug screen or a reboot.


I think that all you can try is to make sure you have the latest nvda. I think there is a .1.1 version but if that makes any difference, I'm not sure. In my case I'm running the latest beta of 2019.1 and would hear an error if one occurred but I hear none.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Finally, got an alt tab braking log, I think


did, every time I dl from 1drive I don't need to. Bu for thsoe that
don't want 1drive try this link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gzeohygmhepchrv/alt%20tab%20nvda%20log.rtf?dl=1

On 12 Mar 2019, at 11:18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

That link wants a log in, you should use dropbox its less annoying.
Brian

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To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 5:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] Finally, got an alt tab braking log, I think


Well, alt tab broke so got the log right when it happened and
restarted
nvda . I was trying to write this on windows but thunder bird
lagged
so badly I could not write the email.

Anyway here is a link to the log file.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AOtt0hSM2KdVjyQ

I hope that helps someone. It happened at about 9 something pdt this
morning.






locked Re: NVDA for Android and IOS

Aravind R
 

Third party apps or softwares means softwares which were not designed
by windows but will work well with them. NVDA is completely accessible
with latest windows10, windows8 and windows7.

On 3/13/19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, windows 98 was the first one with synthetic speech through the
sound card before then you had to have speech from an external unit.

I with older systems that there were ways to make windows and earlier
things than xp talk, some of them I have heard about.

Windows 3.1 was a glorified dos shell really.

In windows 2000 aparently the first narator ever was made.

While microsoft was active in the later stages of windows 95 through to
98 it really didn't seem to show much interest till windows 98.

Everyone and thing had its own way of accessing the os.

With windows xp and up microsoft started standardising accessibility it
may have happened before that but xp is when I started noticing.

It got better and better to a point in windows 7, but everyone had their
own intercepters, their own interface, and their own way.

Its only in windows 8 and later microsoft seems to be committed to
actually doing something, and with 10, they want to show off.

I am sure that apple and then google probably changed it for them.



On 13/03/2019 7:12 PM, zahra wrote:
thanks for your fast response.
what do you mean that windows was accessible with third-party software?
since i did not never use and see windows versions before xp, so, i am
not familiar with previous versions.
sorry for my simple questions!

On 3/12/19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh dos is accessible, with thirdparty software.

windows 3.1 was accessible with third party software.

all versions of windows are accessible with third party software.

But in 1996 or there abouts microsoft started making it easier for
things to access windows itself.

Before that everyone had to do a lot of stuff to see windows.

Or whatever.

This continued up to xp, and slowly to win8, now with 10, microsoft is
actively trying to make windows accessible out of the box which
basically means instead of having your reader of choice having to
reinvent the wheel each time, they can use whats allready there.

In windows 10 microsoft is actively trying to coppy apple with narator,
they have even made the installs accessible.

Windows and dos were not inaccessible, but for a while microsoft was not
as active as it is now.



On 13/03/2019 5:48 PM, zahra wrote:
hi shaun.
since you are expert and tried different versions of windows,
do you mean that dos and windows 95 were not accessible and the first
accessible version of windows, is windows 98?
did i understand you correctly?
thanks again for any help, God bless you!

On 3/11/19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Well to be honest what we really need to remember is why we got jaws,
before freedom scientiffic became the real bad boy it is now, and
other
readers.

Back in the dos days there was no accessibility at all.

Nothing much came from microsoft's end.

This continued through to windows 95.

In windows 98, microsoft started the active accessibility libraries
which improved things but not that much.

In 2003 or there abouts with help from gwmicro the direct chain
manager
was done so you could handle readers in a multiple chained process,
before that you made your own chains but they were unstable.

Basically the first screen reader was your video card, which was part
of
the next reader up till the end, the last screen reader was your video
card.

Start one out of sync, run 2 at once, remove and or uninstall things
in
an unordered fashion and you broke the chain.

There were 2 ways to fix this.

1. remove the chain, reinstall the video drivers and make another
one.

Or just reformat.

Which I did a lot of.

You needed technical experience to make the reg files for the chain
and
while I got dolphin support to construct one, it was as fragile as a
glass window, and not that good.

The dcm became mirror drivers in vista and 7 and then in windows 8
microsoft started the universal access librarys we all love and loath.

The reason jaws and others existed was simply because microsoft didn't
come to the party till late.

Even when xp to 7 came up, microsoft never really put much into
narator.

It was just after the laws came in going against those that didn't
make
stuff accessible.

It probably also helped that after the death of outspoken and all the
new laws, apple not only showed that it could make an accessible
reader
but showed off that it could make something better than waht was about
at the time.

Voiceover has its limits of course but it is in all the programs and
devices now.

Google, same with talkback but there were others at first in droid.

So eventually microsoft had to move.

The reason we are seeing the reader industry shrinking now is possibly
because microsoft is pulling its weight and attempting to catch up to
all the rest.

Now narator is nothing against nvda but its close.

Narator is not jaws.

But its big enough as a bold new kid on the block, not fully grown
mind
you that it is shifting mountains if only smaller ones.

Time will tell with businesses if this means the death of jaws or
other
readers, sadly dolphin seem to be in no hurry to improve at any speed
so
sadly they may die.

I have used their stuff for ages now but still.

Of course the fact we are using a more or less web based interface
both
inside of our oses now and online on websites and web based programs
does help.

There was a time where anything went and while there are a few bad
acters about its not as bad a landscape as it was 5 years back.



There is one end of the road in the screen readers though.

And this isn't actually jaws, either we have reached the inovation
curve
and thats not likely because nvda is still inovating things.

Its almost like the comercial guys can't be bothered either that or ms
is moving to fast with their current model.

Or maybe we can accept that most of them have just about done
everything
they set out to do and who knows.

As an os, while I really like win10's ease of use, search, and a few
other apps, and shortcuts, the only reason I wouldn't go back to 7 is
simply because 10 in some ways needs less shortcuts to get things done
and less key presses.

On the flipside without my hacking tweaking tools win10 would be quite
hellish.

On the systems I admin which are not mine there are issues, and I hate
ribbons.

Most everything else I can get used to.

On 12/03/2019 3:04 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
What people need to remember here is that accessibility software,
regardless of platform, has generally arisen due to a couple of
factors, with different emphases:

1. Recognition of lack of accessibility and need for it
2. Desire to make money
3. Desire to provide a real alternative to expensive option(s)
many
cannot afford
4. Public relations value


It is no surprise that Windows, the world's most widely used
computing
platform, has more than its share of screen readers because all of
the
above have been at play with the various players in the field at one
point or another. I leave it to you, the reader, to decide which
were
bigger factors for each product.

Factor #1 is utterly lacking on iOS and Android. Whether one likes
VoiceOver or TalkBack, both are fully mature products that do their
job admirably. There can almost certainly be nothing as far as
factors numbers one through three are concerned in these
environments,
and given the degree of maturity and broad acceptance of what is
already available, factor number four has almost zero impact. Who's
going to hail "the next VoiceOver/TalkBack"? Not many, that's for
darned sure.

There are limited resources for implementing accessibility software,
both monetary and otherwise. It makes absolutely no sense to try to
open a market that's not really a market in the first place. Choices
have to be made, and the probability of an entity that has the
history
of NVAccess doing a radical gear shift to other platforms makes very
little sense from virtually any angle.

My dear departed Aunt Lila used to quote a rather salty old relative
of hers when people brought up wishes such as this, that have all the
odds stacked against them, and for good reason, "Wish in one hand,
s*^t in the other, and see which gets full first." That sums up my
thoughts about the feasibility and likelihood of NVDA leaping across
computing ecosystems.
--

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need for illusion is deep./*

~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/





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Weather Plus, little help to find your cities

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi to every one,


To easily recover your cities that you have on your list and that are not compatible now, use the command d: to the left of the city to find, this is described in the help by pressing F1. This command sends a direct request to Apixu.

For example we have:

ï¿œRoma, IT 721943

Add the command so:

d:Roma, IT 721943

and press "test".

It is often found immediately and all you have to do is add it and then remove the old one


Regards.

Adriano


listing open windows with NVDA

Sean Murphy
 

All,

 

How do you find floating windows with NVDA other than using the object nav? In Jaws there is a hot key that shows all open app and windows. I cannot find a similar command.

 

A floating window for those who might not know the terminology. Is a window that is open by a program and is not attached to the program and some of them are not even attached to the application ring (alt tab). If the program does not place the focus correctly into the window. Then you cannot access the window by the keyboard. Thus the workaround which Jaws provides of listing all the windows helps here.

 

Hope someone can help.

 

Second question, just thought of. Are you able to remap keys in NVDA?

 


Weather Plus 5.0 update available

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi to every one,

After more than 2 months it is back in operative :)

Changes in this new version:

• Weather Plus now uses the APIXU API, in my opinion better than the previous one;
To work requires an API key, read the Weather Plus First Settings.html for instructions (highly recommended).
#Changes in the Weather Plus Settings window:
• Removed old checkbox "State of barometric pressure".
• Replaced with new checkbox "Add cloudiness value";
It gives you the percentage of cloudiness.
• Added new checkbox "Add precipitation value";
It gives you the amount in millimeters or inches of precipitation.
• Removed old checkbox "Indicates the wait with a beep while you search for the latest bulletin";
Left active by default.
• Added to the Astronomic informations;
Time of moonrise and moonset.
• Added new button "Rename";
To rename cities more conveniently.
• Improved function of the "Test" button;
Now accept some commands to facilitate the search for cities;
These new commands are described in the help function that can be called up with F1.
• Added button to manage your API key.

Weather Plus can update itself, however you can download it directly from:

http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus5.0.nvda-addon

or from the pages:

http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus#main-content

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html

If the file extension arrives as .zip,please correct it with .nvda-addon.


Cheers

adriano


locked Re: NVDA for Android and IOS

 

Well, windows 98 was the first one with synthetic speech through the sound card before then you had to have speech from an external unit.

I with older systems that there were ways to make windows and earlier things than xp talk, some of them I have heard about.

Windows 3.1 was a glorified dos shell really.

In windows 2000 aparently the first narator ever was made.

While microsoft was active in the later stages of windows 95 through to 98 it really didn't seem to show much interest till windows 98.

Everyone and thing had its own way of accessing the os.

With windows xp and up microsoft started standardising accessibility it may have happened before that but xp is when I started noticing.

It got better and better to a point in windows 7, but everyone had their own intercepters, their own interface, and their own way.

Its only in windows 8 and later microsoft seems to be committed to actually doing something, and with 10, they want to show off.

I am sure that apple and then google probably changed it for them.

On 13/03/2019 7:12 PM, zahra wrote:
thanks for your fast response.
what do you mean that windows was accessible with third-party software?
since i did not never use and see windows versions before xp, so, i am
not familiar with previous versions.
sorry for my simple questions!

On 3/12/19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh dos is accessible, with thirdparty software.

windows 3.1 was accessible with third party software.

all versions of windows are accessible with third party software.

But in 1996 or there abouts microsoft started making it easier for
things to access windows itself.

Before that everyone had to do a lot of stuff to see windows.

Or whatever.

This continued up to xp, and slowly to win8, now with 10, microsoft is
actively trying to make windows accessible out of the box which
basically means instead of having your reader of choice having to
reinvent the wheel each time, they can use whats allready there.

In windows 10 microsoft is actively trying to coppy apple with narator,
they have even made the installs accessible.

Windows and dos were not inaccessible, but for a while microsoft was not
as active as it is now.



On 13/03/2019 5:48 PM, zahra wrote:
hi shaun.
since you are expert and tried different versions of windows,
do you mean that dos and windows 95 were not accessible and the first
accessible version of windows, is windows 98?
did i understand you correctly?
thanks again for any help, God bless you!

On 3/11/19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Well to be honest what we really need to remember is why we got jaws,
before freedom scientiffic became the real bad boy it is now, and other
readers.

Back in the dos days there was no accessibility at all.

Nothing much came from microsoft's end.

This continued through to windows 95.

In windows 98, microsoft started the active accessibility libraries
which improved things but not that much.

In 2003 or there abouts with help from gwmicro the direct chain manager
was done so you could handle readers in a multiple chained process,
before that you made your own chains but they were unstable.

Basically the first screen reader was your video card, which was part of
the next reader up till the end, the last screen reader was your video
card.

Start one out of sync, run 2 at once, remove and or uninstall things in
an unordered fashion and you broke the chain.

There were 2 ways to fix this.

1. remove the chain, reinstall the video drivers and make another one.

Or just reformat.

Which I did a lot of.

You needed technical experience to make the reg files for the chain and
while I got dolphin support to construct one, it was as fragile as a
glass window, and not that good.

The dcm became mirror drivers in vista and 7 and then in windows 8
microsoft started the universal access librarys we all love and loath.

The reason jaws and others existed was simply because microsoft didn't
come to the party till late.

Even when xp to 7 came up, microsoft never really put much into narator.

It was just after the laws came in going against those that didn't make
stuff accessible.

It probably also helped that after the death of outspoken and all the
new laws, apple not only showed that it could make an accessible reader
but showed off that it could make something better than waht was about
at the time.

Voiceover has its limits of course but it is in all the programs and
devices now.

Google, same with talkback but there were others at first in droid.

So eventually microsoft had to move.

The reason we are seeing the reader industry shrinking now is possibly
because microsoft is pulling its weight and attempting to catch up to
all the rest.

Now narator is nothing against nvda but its close.

Narator is not jaws.

But its big enough as a bold new kid on the block, not fully grown mind
you that it is shifting mountains if only smaller ones.

Time will tell with businesses if this means the death of jaws or other
readers, sadly dolphin seem to be in no hurry to improve at any speed so
sadly they may die.

I have used their stuff for ages now but still.

Of course the fact we are using a more or less web based interface both
inside of our oses now and online on websites and web based programs
does help.

There was a time where anything went and while there are a few bad
acters about its not as bad a landscape as it was 5 years back.



There is one end of the road in the screen readers though.

And this isn't actually jaws, either we have reached the inovation curve
and thats not likely because nvda is still inovating things.

Its almost like the comercial guys can't be bothered either that or ms
is moving to fast with their current model.

Or maybe we can accept that most of them have just about done everything
they set out to do and who knows.

As an os, while I really like win10's ease of use, search, and a few
other apps, and shortcuts, the only reason I wouldn't go back to 7 is
simply because 10 in some ways needs less shortcuts to get things done
and less key presses.

On the flipside without my hacking tweaking tools win10 would be quite
hellish.

On the systems I admin which are not mine there are issues, and I hate
ribbons.

Most everything else I can get used to.

On 12/03/2019 3:04 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
What people need to remember here is that accessibility software,
regardless of platform, has generally arisen due to a couple of
factors, with different emphases:

1. Recognition of lack of accessibility and need for it
2. Desire to make money
3. Desire to provide a real alternative to expensive option(s) many
cannot afford
4. Public relations value


It is no surprise that Windows, the world's most widely used computing
platform, has more than its share of screen readers because all of the
above have been at play with the various players in the field at one
point or another. I leave it to you, the reader, to decide which were
bigger factors for each product.

Factor #1 is utterly lacking on iOS and Android. Whether one likes
VoiceOver or TalkBack, both are fully mature products that do their
job admirably. There can almost certainly be nothing as far as
factors numbers one through three are concerned in these environments,
and given the degree of maturity and broad acceptance of what is
already available, factor number four has almost zero impact. Who's
going to hail "the next VoiceOver/TalkBack"? Not many, that's for
darned sure.

There are limited resources for implementing accessibility software,
both monetary and otherwise. It makes absolutely no sense to try to
open a market that's not really a market in the first place. Choices
have to be made, and the probability of an entity that has the history
of NVAccess doing a radical gear shift to other platforms makes very
little sense from virtually any angle.

My dear departed Aunt Lila used to quote a rather salty old relative
of hers when people brought up wishes such as this, that have all the
odds stacked against them, and for good reason, "Wish in one hand,
s*^t in the other, and see which gets full first." That sums up my
thoughts about the feasibility and likelihood of NVDA leaping across
computing ecosystems.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep./*

~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/



locked Re: NVDA for Android and IOS

 

thanks for your fast response.
what do you mean that windows was accessible with third-party software?
since i did not never use and see windows versions before xp, so, i am
not familiar with previous versions.
sorry for my simple questions!

On 3/12/19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh dos is accessible, with thirdparty software.

windows 3.1 was accessible with third party software.

all versions of windows are accessible with third party software.

But in 1996 or there abouts microsoft started making it easier for
things to access windows itself.

Before that everyone had to do a lot of stuff to see windows.

Or whatever.

This continued up to xp, and slowly to win8, now with 10, microsoft is
actively trying to make windows accessible out of the box which
basically means instead of having your reader of choice having to
reinvent the wheel each time, they can use whats allready there.

In windows 10 microsoft is actively trying to coppy apple with narator,
they have even made the installs accessible.

Windows and dos were not inaccessible, but for a while microsoft was not
as active as it is now.



On 13/03/2019 5:48 PM, zahra wrote:
hi shaun.
since you are expert and tried different versions of windows,
do you mean that dos and windows 95 were not accessible and the first
accessible version of windows, is windows 98?
did i understand you correctly?
thanks again for any help, God bless you!

On 3/11/19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Well to be honest what we really need to remember is why we got jaws,
before freedom scientiffic became the real bad boy it is now, and other
readers.

Back in the dos days there was no accessibility at all.

Nothing much came from microsoft's end.

This continued through to windows 95.

In windows 98, microsoft started the active accessibility libraries
which improved things but not that much.

In 2003 or there abouts with help from gwmicro the direct chain manager
was done so you could handle readers in a multiple chained process,
before that you made your own chains but they were unstable.

Basically the first screen reader was your video card, which was part of
the next reader up till the end, the last screen reader was your video
card.

Start one out of sync, run 2 at once, remove and or uninstall things in
an unordered fashion and you broke the chain.

There were 2 ways to fix this.

1. remove the chain, reinstall the video drivers and make another one.

Or just reformat.

Which I did a lot of.

You needed technical experience to make the reg files for the chain and
while I got dolphin support to construct one, it was as fragile as a
glass window, and not that good.

The dcm became mirror drivers in vista and 7 and then in windows 8
microsoft started the universal access librarys we all love and loath.

The reason jaws and others existed was simply because microsoft didn't
come to the party till late.

Even when xp to 7 came up, microsoft never really put much into narator.

It was just after the laws came in going against those that didn't make
stuff accessible.

It probably also helped that after the death of outspoken and all the
new laws, apple not only showed that it could make an accessible reader
but showed off that it could make something better than waht was about
at the time.

Voiceover has its limits of course but it is in all the programs and
devices now.

Google, same with talkback but there were others at first in droid.

So eventually microsoft had to move.

The reason we are seeing the reader industry shrinking now is possibly
because microsoft is pulling its weight and attempting to catch up to
all the rest.

Now narator is nothing against nvda but its close.

Narator is not jaws.

But its big enough as a bold new kid on the block, not fully grown mind
you that it is shifting mountains if only smaller ones.

Time will tell with businesses if this means the death of jaws or other
readers, sadly dolphin seem to be in no hurry to improve at any speed so
sadly they may die.

I have used their stuff for ages now but still.

Of course the fact we are using a more or less web based interface both
inside of our oses now and online on websites and web based programs
does help.

There was a time where anything went and while there are a few bad
acters about its not as bad a landscape as it was 5 years back.



There is one end of the road in the screen readers though.

And this isn't actually jaws, either we have reached the inovation curve
and thats not likely because nvda is still inovating things.

Its almost like the comercial guys can't be bothered either that or ms
is moving to fast with their current model.

Or maybe we can accept that most of them have just about done everything
they set out to do and who knows.

As an os, while I really like win10's ease of use, search, and a few
other apps, and shortcuts, the only reason I wouldn't go back to 7 is
simply because 10 in some ways needs less shortcuts to get things done
and less key presses.

On the flipside without my hacking tweaking tools win10 would be quite
hellish.

On the systems I admin which are not mine there are issues, and I hate
ribbons.

Most everything else I can get used to.

On 12/03/2019 3:04 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
What people need to remember here is that accessibility software,
regardless of platform, has generally arisen due to a couple of
factors, with different emphases:

1. Recognition of lack of accessibility and need for it
2. Desire to make money
3. Desire to provide a real alternative to expensive option(s) many
cannot afford
4. Public relations value


It is no surprise that Windows, the world's most widely used computing
platform, has more than its share of screen readers because all of the
above have been at play with the various players in the field at one
point or another. I leave it to you, the reader, to decide which were
bigger factors for each product.

Factor #1 is utterly lacking on iOS and Android. Whether one likes
VoiceOver or TalkBack, both are fully mature products that do their
job admirably. There can almost certainly be nothing as far as
factors numbers one through three are concerned in these environments,
and given the degree of maturity and broad acceptance of what is
already available, factor number four has almost zero impact. Who's
going to hail "the next VoiceOver/TalkBack"? Not many, that's for
darned sure.

There are limited resources for implementing accessibility software,
both monetary and otherwise. It makes absolutely no sense to try to
open a market that's not really a market in the first place. Choices
have to be made, and the probability of an entity that has the history
of NVAccess doing a radical gear shift to other platforms makes very
little sense from virtually any angle.

My dear departed Aunt Lila used to quote a rather salty old relative
of hers when people brought up wishes such as this, that have all the
odds stacked against them, and for good reason, "Wish in one hand,
s*^t in the other, and see which gets full first." That sums up my
thoughts about the feasibility and likelihood of NVDA leaping across
computing ecosystems.
--

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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi. I am not getting those annoying popups anymore.  I don't know why though As I've not changed any setting.  Cheers!

On 3/13/2019 10:51 AM, Annette Moore wrote:

Would simply disabling it from Startup stop these invisible Dropbox windows from popping up?, or would the notifications also need to be turned off?

Annette

On 3/12/2019 8:17 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

it certainly is, and until you turn off drop box, though you might like to know if a friend or colleague sends you stuff or gets stuff, you have to put up with this s**t.

On 3/11/2019 12:52 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Its annoying as hell.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:50:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups
 

That is correct – it’s not a notification. It is a box that comes up over and over though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of George McCoy
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

For me, this is not a notification.  It looks exactly like the screen that comes up when I click the dropbox button in the system tray/user notifications area of windows 10.

 

George

On 3/11/2019 11:11 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

Good Morning:  I read this information a little late.  However, I check notifications, which are in settings and the notification for Drop Box is uncheck.

Dave

 

On 2/25/2019 5:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Has anyone looked through options in Dropbox to see if anything is available about not showing notifications or messages?  These are, presumably, shown in the system tray.  I almost never use DropBox, though I have it, and I usually don't have it running.  I don't know if I have the latest version.  But the first thing I would do is look through the options to see if anything is available.  I may check later today but it might be better if someone checks who uses it regularly, and knows they have the problem version.  Presumably, I either do or it would update if I leave it on.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

 

The whole thrust of it for us is that you can hear when new updates come in.
To try to schedule everything at the studio will cause our non tech folk a
problem
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Is there any reason to have it running constantly?  You can exit it and only
run it when you want to use it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: James Scholes
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:32 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Invisible Dropbox pop-ups


Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so,
NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to
contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on
the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it
disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0
pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day
is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes







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