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Re: is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

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There was a way to do it in Supernova as well, but really you needed to have sighted help to do it.
It also only persisted on the machine it was on. Ideally it would be great if such a function meant you could exchange scripts with other users so only one person needed to do it.
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Really? Wondering why they didn't bring it to NVDA. As far as I know
Windows eyes is way way older than any other screen reader.

Cheers,
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Em 14/02/2019 13:52, Peter Beasley escreveu:

We used to have that feature in windoeyes.

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I'm not aware of such a feature in NVDA.
It would be pretty good, though. Someone may have already done the
request regarding it, so let's hope this is an option coming soon ;)

Just out of curiosity, what's the program/app name?

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Em 14/02/2019 13:21, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hey guys, molly here again.

Is there a way to label unlabeled buttons with NVDA? I downloaded
an app and when I swipe using the touchscreen or navigate with the
keyboard NVDA just says button, button.the app is a collection of
text adventure games. and while the game’s are accessible, the
titles of the games in the games library aren’t labeled.

Any help will be greatly appreciated 😊

Thanks.

Molly




Re: Alexa skills blueprints. My thoughts.

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There are lots of issues with Alexa apps for nvda. I know the main control program seems to work better in Jaws, but even then its not intuitive. Using the app on the I phone seems to show lots of things that tick but hav no voice either. Its a great shame Amazon cannot get their fingers out and sort these issues.
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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 1:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] Alexa skills blueprints. My thoughts.


Because I'm getting older, I don't have time to code everything by hand.
I tried the free, Alexa skills blueprint
<https://blueprints.amazon.com/bp/amzn.ask.bp.5ffada1a-a4bd-4201-b758-74f7f8d8a946?ref_=ask_bp_home_6_0>
site, where non-coders can create skills and now publish them to the
skill store, but sadly, it was not an accessible experience. I'm gonna
try to get ahold of Peter korn to let him know that the development back
end is not accessible, but Anyway... I tried to create my own queer
disabled short story. My blog is also now available as a flash briefing
skill, and that, at least, was very accessible.

If you just want to create a simple text story, with no sounds or
expressions or pauses or interactive elements, then creating a story
based on the fairy tale skill blueprint
<https://blueprints.amazon.com/bp/amzn.ask.bp.5ffada1a-a4bd-4201-b758-74f7f8d8a946?ref_=ask_bp_home_6_0>
is very accessible. All the bells and whistles are housed in sometimes
clickable links at the top of the edit window. When I tried to create a
story about a horse, having the player input their name and adding
sounds, the pop out menus that were supposed to gain focus did not gain
focus or even show up all the time, using NVDA. When a miracle happens,
and these menus do show up in chrome and or FF, the choices are a giant
list of clickable text, that plays when a user hits enter on it. Your
selection will be the last sound you played. When you hear a sound, or
an expression you want, hit the add button at the bottom of the 128 or
200 item list. Reviewing what you have written works sometime, and you
can move sounds and stuff around by cutting and pasting as you would in
a regular document, but it's pot luck if any of the menus open. You can
monitize these skill blueprints, which is a nice touch.
I get that Peter is a busy guy, but I just wish Amazon would treat
accessibility like Microsoft does. I'll be emailing Amazon today because
this could be great for indie authors who have a patreon or similar.

By the way, my Patreon podcast <http://www.patreon.com/blindwriter> will
not be going on the Alexa Skill store, but if anybody wants my podcast
on their Alexa, and you are a supporter, I can share a private link with
you that will allow you to listen to the skill on your own Alexa.




Re: NVDA hotkey for toast menus

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What is the way to do this on windows 7 though.
Brian

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From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA hotkey for toast menus


Yes, you are correct. I guess I use Windows+a because the action center
doesn't lose notifications, and if you miss the notification with
Windows+shift+v then you may not see the toast.

Thanks.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:39 AM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi,

Actually, it is Windows+Shift+V, although Windows+A will open Action
Center and present past notifications.

Cheers,

Joseph



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Windows a



On Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 04:38 bob jutzi <jutzi@windstream.net wrote:

Since Windows-V is now used by the new Cloud Clipboard, what is the hotkey
for accessing toast notifications like those displayed when connecting
flash drives?





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Re: NVDA and sounds

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I think here we are talking more about entertainment rather than productivity and utility, so if somebody wants this its better suited to an add on I'd suggest rather than wasting time of the core programmers. Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sounds


Yeah, the addon would probably have to pull the sounds from some sort of website or service.
May be something to suggest to the developers.


Re: is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

molly the blind tech lover
 

NVDA plus R. 😊

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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 1:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

how do you activate the control using the ocr feature?

On 2/14/2019 11:21 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I used the ocr feature in NVDA. It read the control ho

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Subject: Re: [nvda] is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

I don't think it can.
I haven't seen anything with the tutorian that would allow it to do that.
There was an old screen reader called System Access that had this feature, but they stopped making any advancements with it a few years ago. Now they're just maintaining it, so would not recommend buying it.







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Re: is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

 

how do you activate the control using the ocr feature?

On 2/14/2019 11:21 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I used the ocr feature in NVDA. It read the control 😀

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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 12:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

I don't think it can.
I haven't seen anything with the tutorian that would allow it to do that.
There was an old screen reader called System Access that had this feature, but they stopped making any advancements with it a few years ago. Now they're just maintaining it, so would not recommend buying it.






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Re: OCR and pdfs

Dan Beaver
 

I do not know since it is a lot of pages that are scanned images instead of text entered directly into the document.


Dan

On 2/14/2019 1:16 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Not all text will oCR.

How is the text printed?

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: February 14, 2019 11:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] OCR and pdfs

 

HI,

 

I have a pdf that I really need to ocr.  I am trying to use the Windows ocr via nvda+r.   It says it is running the ocr but it comes back with nothing.  I know the page of the pdf has text so I am confused about why it isn't OCR ing the thing.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks.

 

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Re: is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

Chris Shook
 

That's good.


Re: NVDA hotkey for toast menus

Chris Shook
 

ThanksThanks.


Re: is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

molly the blind tech lover
 

I used the ocr feature in NVDA. It read the control 😀

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 12:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

I don't think it can.
I haven't seen anything with the tutorian that would allow it to do that.
There was an old screen reader called System Access that had this feature, but they stopped making any advancements with it a few years ago. Now they're just maintaining it, so would not recommend buying it.


Re: OCR and pdfs

JM Casey
 

Not all text will oCR.

How is the text printed?

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: February 14, 2019 11:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] OCR and pdfs

 

HI,

 

I have a pdf that I really need to ocr.  I am trying to use the Windows ocr via nvda+r.   It says it is running the ocr but it comes back with nothing.  I know the page of the pdf has text so I am confused about why it isn't OCR ing the thing.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks.

 

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Re: NVDA hotkey for toast menus

Nimer Jaber
 

Yes.


On Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 11:13 Chris Shook <chris0309@... wrote:
Nimer,
Is WIndows key plus A s shortcut key for the action center?




Re: NVDA hotkey for toast menus

Chris Shook
 

Nimer,
Is WIndows key plus A s shortcut key for the action center?


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Chris Shook
 

Joseph,
Thanks for the post. You've cleared a lot of things up.


Re: Problems With NVDA

Chris Shook
 

I may be wrong, but at least when using NVDA, GoogleChrome is a lot esier to use than firefox.


Re: NVDA hotkey for toast menus

Nimer Jaber
 

Yes, you are correct. I guess I use Windows+a because the action center doesn't lose notifications, and if you miss the notification with Windows+shift+v then you may not see the toast.

Thanks.


On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:39 AM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Actually, it is Windows+Shift+V, although Windows+A will open Action Center and present past notifications.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 3:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Group Moderators <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA hotkey for toast menus

 

Windows a

 

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 04:38 bob jutzi <jutzi@... wrote:

Since Windows-V is now used by the new Cloud Clipboard, what is the hotkey for accessing toast notifications like those displayed when connecting flash drives?

 



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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi everyone,
I hope the following post clarifies a few things discussed on this thread:
* Screen readers and mouse: although both act almost the same, JAWS and NVDA
uses different techniques to let you see what's under the mouse, and for
that matter, accessing certain screen elements. Until recently NVDA had a
slight advantage in mouse navigation and announcing what's under the screen
(including announcing coordinates with beeps), but JAWS caught up with NVDA
since 2018. Announcing what's under the mouse has improved slightly in
recent versions of NVDA.
* Visualized cursor tracking: yes, both JAWS and NVDA can do this - built
into JAWS since 2018 thanks to ideas from ZoomText, requires an add-on for
NVDA, although there is a research project to integrate this and other
vision related features into NVDA.
* Feature comparisons versus bashing: to me, it depends on wording and how
the reader understood a poster's intent. Although there were initial
misunderstandings, I view Steve's post to be a genuine attempt at feature
comparisons.
* Biased or unbiased: again it depends on how one views messages. In this
case, to be clear, I think Brian V's post should be considered an answer to
the question posed (cursor tracking) from another perspective, or rather, a
visual confirmation of what some people are saying (yes, this also means
this could be considered a biased opinion, but to me, I consider it an
informative answer).
* JAWS cursor versus Golden Cursor: the intention behind JAWS cursor is to
let you interact with screen elements as though you are moving a mouse,
similar in concept to how screen review works in certain situations (when
you need to review certain areas that you can't easily with keyboard
commands). The closest equivalent after screen review in NVDA world is
Golden Cursor add-on (under maintenance at the moment), and that add-on does
physically6 (in terms of screen coordinates) moves the mouse pointer.

Overall feelings (not just this topic, but more recent ones as well):
* Level of familiarity: I think we should remember that not everyone is an
NVDA expert or a novice user.
* Source statement verification: whenever you come across a statement, I
think it'd be best to verify who said it and when so we won't get thrown
into confusion over misinformation. For example, when we talk about feature
comparisons, clarifying which version of one screen reader one is comparing
against may help folks pinpoint specifics without hunting for more accurate
statements, as we've seen from time to time (I myself have fallen to that
trap before, and I tend to take source verification seriously since I am a
member of this forum (a former moderator, in fact) and is an owner of
multiple lists).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 6:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true. Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.


Re: Problems With NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I'm sorry, but I *must* take issue with your statement that firefox doesn't take more ram than chrome. (I can't speak to inernet explorer, having never used it), but it's easy to go into your process list on your computer, and watch both the cpu usage and the ram used when programs are running, and every time I've done this (not that I've done it ever on my own machine, because I refuse to load firefox on my machines), I've seen a significant difference between firefox and chrome when it comes both to cpu and ram usage. Personal experience, even on other operating systems other than windows has proven to me that firefox eats way more cpu than chrome, which honestly isn't surprising, since firefox was designed from the beginning to run on regular pcs, and chrome was initially designed to run on tablets, at a time when ram was a precious comodity. From my own personal observations, and (if you look), various forums, it's easily verifyable that firefox and chrome are vastly different when it comes to cpu and memory usage, so don't make the claim that tfirefox doesn't use more memory than chrome, because that my friend is a blatent false hood.

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019, Gene wrote:

At this point, however, there is no reason to believe memory has anything to
do with the problem.  Firefox and Internet Explorer don't use more memory
than Chrome.  If memory were that scarce, that running a different browser,
even if it used a little more, would cause problems, then you would have
lots of problems with other programs because you would be on the verge of
running out of RAM in general.  RAM is one of the most misunderstood
components of computers and it is blamed often for problems that have
nothing to do with RAM.  You can see how much RAM is being used if you want
to see if it is the problem.  I don't know what version of Windows is being
used so I won't describe how. 
 
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Re: Problems With NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

It doesn't matter what os you're talking about, sd cards do not provide ram. Ram is the space where actively executing programs live. This only happens in RAM. Sd cards provide storage, this is where saved programs, data for applications, and other downlaoded content such as music files reside. Too often these days, memory is used interchangeably with storage, and that
is missleading at best, and downright dangerous at worst when someone thinks they have more memory than they do, and run a program thinking it will work because they have so much memory, only to find out that the device crashes because it's overtaxed and the memory is full. Don't make the mistake of confusing memory with storage, they're completely separate items, and the computer industry isn't doing anybody any favors by referring to both as if they were the same thing.

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019, Brian K. Lingard wrote:

Dear Ibrahim Ajayi && List:
Some Android telephones can increase their working RAM with an SD card, however, if your computer is a laptop, the SD card will normally only provide storage for files, not increase the working RAM.

To upgrade the RAM,, you need to first check with the laptop maker as to the maximum RAM it Can address. Then review your RAM chips, often in a compartment under the laptop. If all slots are full, you need to replace the presently installed RAM with larger RAM chips. You unclip the present Rams, set them aside, and plug in the new RAM. Upon power-up,, the PC will be using the new RAM which should make programs run a bit faster ESPECIALLY IF several are running at once or you are editing huge files, such as audio recordings.
I trust this explains the difference between what an SD card and RAM chips will do to the laptop.
Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi,
No - NonVisual Desktop Access. I'll provide sort of a clarification message
soon regarding this discussion.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 6:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, I do not think there are any visual enhancements in nvda. The name
itself says it; Non visual display access.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-14-19 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true. Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.