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Re: FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

Gene
 

Do you use NVDA or JAWS? Even very old versions of NVDA work well with Quantum.  I tried it with 13.x.  And if you want to use a relatively new version of NVDA, you can.  It was about a year ago that NVDA stopped supporting Windows 7 if you don't have service pack 1.  If you do, you can use the current NVDA if you want. 
 
I'll let others discuss JAWS.  I almost never use it anymore and I haven't kept it current for years. 
 
You might or might not have been satisfied upgrading to Windows 10 but it certainly isn't necessary to do so to use Quantum. 
 
Also, the magazine is misleading.  You can't run Quantum Firefox in XP.  I don't know if you can using Vista; I haven't seen that discussed. 
 
And the magazine is also inaccurate in its conclusion.  Last June, Quantum still had speed problems for many users.  By the time September came around most NVDA users didn't have speed problems any longer.  I don't know about JAWS and Quantum.  but the magazine made it sound as though if you used Quantum in June, you should be alright if you upgrade your screen-reader to the latest version. 
 
In short, it’s a good idea to check here if you want to know whether such information is accurate and keep in mind that, as I said in a previous message, the information is out of date.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:40 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...



Re: FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

John Isige
 

Well, here's some up-to-date information instead then. I'm using Firefox
63.0.1 64-bit, NVDA 2018.3.2, Windows Windows 18.03 64-bit, and it works
fine. Even the weird Youtube pauses have pretty much stopped happening.
The only complaint is that some addons, like Noscript, seem to fluctuate
in terms of accessibility, but I'd guess that's more the addons than
Firefox, since before I uninstalled Noscript, it wasn't even showing up
in the right click menu.


I don't seem to have any issues from uninstalling Noscript in terms of
security, and indeed Chrome doesn't have something like Noscript that I
know of, certainly not by default anyway, and nobody's urging people to
add that to Chrome immediately. So I guess it's up to everybody to
decide what they want for security, but for me it's been a few months
with Noscript either disabled or uninstalled, and things seem to be fine.


I won't go so far as to say everything's fixed or anything dumb like
that, especially since there's a lot of stuff I don't use in terms of
addons and such, e.g. I don't get all freaked out that I don't have
download noises, but I'd say that article's absolutely correct for the
majority of users. You can fire up Firefox and pretty much have the
experience you were sued to before Quantum happened. It's possible there
are some edge case issues, around addons for instance, but I'd say by
and large, it's back and working as well as ever, if not better.

On 11/14/2018 15:29, Gene wrote:
In dealing with computers and related matters, six months may be a
very long time.  Anything you are relying on that is from June of this
year can't be relied on if it is discussing such matters.  Product
reviews and descriptions of programs will be fine to rely on if the
magazine is usually reliable and no significant updates or changes
have been made.  But matters like this, where there is a known access
problem and where screen-reader designers and Mozilla are working on
the problem, information that old can't be relied on.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* David Russell <mailto:david.sonofhashem@...>
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:40 PM
*To:* nvda <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@... <mailto:david.sonofhashem@...>



Re: FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

Gene
 

In dealing with computers and related matters, six months may be a very long time.  Anything you are relying on that is from June of this year can't be relied on if it is discussing such matters.  Product reviews and descriptions of programs will be fine to rely on if the magazine is usually reliable and no significant updates or changes have been made.  But matters like this, where there is a known access problem and where screen-reader designers and Mozilla are working on the problem, information that old can't be relied on.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:40 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...



Windows updated and NVDA is now much more responsive

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,


My system just updated and NVDA now seems much more responsive.  Not sure why...


OS Name    Microsoft Windows 10 Home   
Version    10.0.17134 Build 17134   


Just thought I'd mention it in case anyone else has been noticing responsiveness issues as I have.



-- 
Dan Beaver (KC4DOY)


FireFox Advice from Intopia Article

David Russell
 

Hello Group,

There is a newsletter produced in Australia that comes out a few times
per year called Intopia. I signed up for it around the time Mozilla
came out with Quantum and screen reader users then were advised to
hold off. Here is their take on things as of June 2018.
If, for some reason you can’t upgrade:
• Both Mozilla and Freedom Scientific agree that users of JAWS 17 with
Firefox 57 and higher are likely to get less than satisfactory
performance.
• Users of JAWS 18 with Firefox 57-59 should get reasonable results,
but may encounter some issues.
• The Firefox ESR workaround will not apply for much longer – it is
due to switch to Quantum in September.
• NVDA updates are free and easy to implement individually, but some
people may deliberately be using an older version, for example because
their computer uses an older operating system like Windows Vista, XP
or Windows 7 without Service Pack 1. At this stage, it’s unclear how
well the older NVDA might work with Firefox Quantum browsers.
The bottom line, then, is to upgrade your screen reader to the latest
version and Firefox to its latest version, and things should work as
you expect them to.
If we get further significant information on this issue, we’ll be sure
to bring it to your attention.
My Comment: I would need to buy a Windows 10 machine. Too bad I didn't
take the freebie when offered by the Microsoft Disability Desk a
couple years ago.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...


Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.

Annette Moore
 

I was also getting that "unknown" issue and Firefox was loading very slowly so I just ran that tool and so far, it's working much better. thanks for the suggestion.

Annette

On 11/14/2018 12:43 PM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:

Sounds like the old dll registration issue again

 

Try running the com registration tool under nvda menu tools

 

Good luck

 

 

 

From: Tejas Bendre
Sent: 14 November 2018 18:34
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not read anything in any browser.

 

Hello guys,

facing big problem with NVDA.

I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.

NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.

Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying

unknown and unknown.

so this is happen with NVDA only.

I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.

 

Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.

but afther update in 1803  laptop verks 2 3 days.

and now same problem i am faceing.

i tryed all browsers.

So can anyone help me.

 

 

 


Re: FireFox and Other Browsers

Lino Morales
 

I now as of 2 weeks ago use both NVDA and JAWS 2019 with FF 63. I get a better response with FF with JAWS. Still slow with NVDA. As far as the overall accessibility I have no problems. Now I know the extensions have been discussed. Not sure what works and what doesn’t work under quantum. Currently for this reason I’m not running any extentions or add-ons.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Governor staten <govsta@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 10:22:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox and Other Browsers
 

I'm using Firefox 63.0.1, and have very little trouble with it. I'm using Windows 10 with latest updates. I"m using NVDA latest alpha, if that matters.





On 11/14/2018 8:50 AM, David Russell wrote:
Hello Group,

In response to the posts by Gene, it is my understanding that FireFox
63 is not all that readily user-friendly for totally blind persons
using a screen reader. I do not understand the reasons. I have been
recommended to switch to Google Chrome and say bye-bye to FireFox as
it is easily hacked and the changes made are seen as disastrous. That
from an acquaintance who earns their living doing tech support. As to
'accessibility' if you can find articles from Intopia or Webaim that
relate to FireFox and such, that may be your best bet. Each
organization is heavy into accessibility interest.

If I follow through with this recommend, Do I need mouse clicks to
open GMail attachments if using Chrome as my primary browser?
And, is Thunderbird compatible with Chrome?

Of note, I found in a dated NVDA post from 2017 that Sophos was
recommended as an Anti-virus program. In an attempt to download, it
would not complete on my end and was said to be corrupt. Be careful
with that one if considering Sophos. Thanks.


autocorrect in Word 365

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all,

I occasionally use smiley face and winking smiley face, :) and ;) respectively, but when I do in Word it automatically converts them to what NVDA says is “12” (that's what I hear and that's what the speech viewer says). It does this for both versions of the smiley.
I have just added :) and ;) into the exceptions of the autocorect options and it is not making any difference.

I do use the NVDA emoticons addin so am confused why I am hearing the number 12 rather than the type of face. Also, I'm a bit of a gek for old school ascii emoticons so would prefer to stick to them being a colon and a right parenthesis rather than a graphical smiley face.

I'm using the latest NVDA, Windows 10 and Office 365

Grateful for any suggestions :)

Giles


Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


have a look under the tools section in NVDA and look for a menu called Run COM Registration Fixing tool... then press the enter key on it. I can not remember if there were steps after it but it should reset the files and i think the computer also has to be rebooted as well.


If it fixes the problem you should be able to use the browser as you were before it happened.


Some times it would also affect the running application on the task bar and say unknown etc and do some other weird stuff.


There is no documentation for it in the user manual but I think there should be so people know what it is for.


Gene nz


On 15/11/2018 7:34 AM, Tejas Bendre wrote:
Hello guys,
facing big problem with NVDA.
I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.
NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.
Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying
unknown and unknown.
so this is happen with NVDA only.
 I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.

Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.
but afther update in 1803  laptop verks 2 3 days.
and now same problem i am faceing.
i tryed all browsers.
So can anyone help me.



--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Skype ver 8.33

Sarah k Alawami
 

I gave the link earlier. But here it is again.

https://groups.io/g/skypeenglish

On 14 Nov 2018, at 11:25, john poole via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,
What is the address of the new Skype e-mail listso I can subscribe?

Regards,

John.
----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype ver 8.33


hi robert. thanks for your explanation and help, God bless you!

On 11/14/18, zahra a <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
i heard someone told that skype classic 7.30 and previous ones, does
not work anymore.

On 11/13/18, Darren Harris via Groups.Io
<darren_g_harris=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
When is classic skype going to stop working does anyone know?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert
Kingett
Sent: 13 November 2018 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype ver 8.33



I've never seen anybody mainstream usin teamtalk. It seems like only
blind
people use it, sadly. It's a great program even though it is not simple
to
set up. As for what you can do to make this new version a bit easier to
use,
there's very little you can do. I would at least turn auto answering
calls
on. Below are the steps. The privacy issue is outweighed by the amount of
time it takes for users to answer a call manually.

1. Hit Alt, T.
2. Arrow down to preferences.
3. Once inside preferences, go to the calls tab and check answer incoming
calls automatically. Settings save automatically so close the window
after.







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





Re: Has anyone else had quick navigation keys stop working after installing Microsoft Office?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi




Brian is referring to this menu called Run COM Registration Fixing tool... under the tools menu.



There is no information in the user manual for this and what it does I think there should be info there but is not.


I think after it also the computer has to be rebooted as well.




Gene nz


On 15/11/2018 3:48 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
What is this tool for reregistering filles and how do i find it?

John

On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 11:09:20AM -0000, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Comment. Note Office removal or updates have in the past stopped proper use
of single key nav in browsers and pdf and word  due to registry not being
put back as it should be. Assuming you are using the latest nvda, then
running the tool in the tools section to re register some crucial files
needed for accessibility may fix the problem. Otherwise if not you may need
to go back to the machine before it was installed, NOT by uninstalling but
either via backup and restore or maybe the more convenient system restore.
It may not work though. Can you still move between focus and browse modes?
If yes it could be a new  but similar problem created in a recent update.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "John J. Boyer"
<john.boyer@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:21 PM
Subject: [nvda] Has anyone else had quick navigation keys stop working after
installing Microsoft Office?


They were working until I did that installation. I have a laptop computer.
The vendor configured it before giving it to
me. The quick navigation keys have never worked. They are trying to figure
out what they might have done that caused
this problem. Once I know that, I might be able to write a NVDA add-on to
correct it.

Thanks,
John

-- 
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses  live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
      that are available at no cost









--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Jumping multiple similar objects

Shradha Holani <shradhaholani@...>
 

Can you tell me which script  is called whenever control key is pressed to pause the speech?


Re: Skype ver 8.33

john poole
 

Hi,
What is the address of the new Skype e-mail listso I can subscribe?

Regards,

John.

----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype ver 8.33


hi robert. thanks for your explanation and help, God bless you!

On 11/14/18, zahra a <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
i heard someone told that skype classic 7.30 and previous ones, does
not work anymore.

On 11/13/18, Darren Harris via Groups.Io
<darren_g_harris=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
When is classic skype going to stop working does anyone know?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert
Kingett
Sent: 13 November 2018 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype ver 8.33



I've never seen anybody mainstream usin teamtalk. It seems like only
blind
people use it, sadly. It's a great program even though it is not simple
to
set up. As for what you can do to make this new version a bit easier to
use,
there's very little you can do. I would at least turn auto answering
calls
on. Below are the steps. The privacy issue is outweighed by the amount of
time it takes for users to answer a call manually.

1. Hit Alt, T.
2. Arrow down to preferences.
3. Once inside preferences, go to the calls tab and check answer incoming
calls automatically. Settings save automatically so close the window
after.







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: NVDA not read anything in any browser.

Chris
 

Sounds like the old dll registration issue again

 

Try running the com registration tool under nvda menu tools

 

Good luck

 

 

 

From: Tejas Bendre
Sent: 14 November 2018 18:34
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not read anything in any browser.

 

Hello guys,

facing big problem with NVDA.

I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.

NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.

Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying

unknown and unknown.

so this is happen with NVDA only.

I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.

 

Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.

but afther update in 1803  laptop verks 2 3 days.

and now same problem i am faceing.

i tryed all browsers.

So can anyone help me.

 

 

 


NVDA not read anything in any browser.

Tejas Bendre
 

Hello guys,
facing big problem with NVDA.
I am using Dell laptop With Windows 10 1803.
NVDA latest 18.3.2 version.
Whenever I open any browser NVDA not read anything it's just saying
unknown and unknown.
so this is happen with NVDA only.
I try JAWS but JAWS working fine.

Actually same problem i was face with 1703 version.
but afther update in 1803 laptop verks 2 3 days.
and now same problem i am faceing.
i tryed all browsers.
So can anyone help me.


Re: addon updater

 

Hi,

Eh? May I see your log please?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 7:25 AM
To: NVDA <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] addon updater

 

the last two times it tried to update the win10 addon i received an error. it does not tell me what the error is.


Re: FireFox and Other Browsers

Gene
 

Using the latest NVDA doesn't matter in general.  If you are among the group that has problems using Quantum, I don't know if it would make a difference.  I doubt it but I don't know,  I use Quantum with an old version of NVDA.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox and Other Browsers

I'm using Firefox 63.0.1, and have very little trouble with it. I'm using Windows 10 with latest updates. I"m using NVDA latest alpha, if that matters.





On 11/14/2018 8:50 AM, David Russell wrote:
Hello Group,

In response to the posts by Gene, it is my understanding that FireFox
63 is not all that readily user-friendly for totally blind persons
using a screen reader. I do not understand the reasons. I have been
recommended to switch to Google Chrome and say bye-bye to FireFox as
it is easily hacked and the changes made are seen as disastrous. That
from an acquaintance who earns their living doing tech support. As to
'accessibility' if you can find articles from Intopia or Webaim that
relate to FireFox and such, that may be your best bet. Each
organization is heavy into accessibility interest.

If I follow through with this recommend, Do I need mouse clicks to
open GMail attachments if using Chrome as my primary browser?
And, is Thunderbird compatible with Chrome?

Of note, I found in a dated NVDA post from 2017 that Sophos was
recommended as an Anti-virus program. In an attempt to download, it
would not complete on my end and was said to be corrupt. Be careful
with that one if considering Sophos. Thanks.


Re: FireFox and Other Browsers

Gene
 

Your aquaintance is wrong, as far as I know, really wrong.  I've read a number of reputable reviews about Firefox Quantum and security was one of the good points discussed in one or more reviews I read.  Indeed, one review said that Quantum is better at not collecting information about your browsing because it is not made by Google.  Google's way of making money is collecting information. 
 
I can use Quantum on my Windows 7 computer and it works well.  It appears, from the small amount of comparison I've done that Chrome is faster and I don't have much preference between the two browsers other than that Chrome is faster at loading pages and you may want the extra speed. 
 
Some people report having serious problems with Quantum.  I haven't seen anything indicating that anyone knows why.  A lot of people use Quantum without problems. 
 
I don't know where the person gets his information from, but techs are not necessarily reliable just because they are techs and I don't trust a tech any more than anyone else unless I know they have a proven record of being reliable over a substantial period of time.  That's how I evaluate anyone's reliability. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 7:50 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] FireFox and Other Browsers

Hello Group,

In response to the posts by Gene, it is my understanding that FireFox
63 is not all that readily user-friendly for totally blind persons
using a screen reader. I do not understand the reasons. I have been
recommended to switch to Google Chrome and say bye-bye to FireFox as
it is easily hacked and the changes made are seen as disastrous. That
from an acquaintance who earns their living doing tech support. As to
'accessibility' if you can find articles from Intopia or Webaim that
relate to FireFox and such, that may be your best bet. Each
organization is heavy into accessibility interest.

If I follow through with this recommend, Do I need mouse clicks to
open GMail attachments if using Chrome as my primary browser?
And, is Thunderbird compatible with Chrome?

Of note, I found in a dated NVDA post from 2017 that Sophos was
recommended as an Anti-virus program. In an attempt to download, it
would not complete on my end and was said to be corrupt. Be careful
with that one if considering Sophos. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...



Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene
 

I'm not writing this to try to convince you to not want these sounds.  I'm going into it because I want to make the point to others following the thread that if you become so dependent on sounds that you don't use, other methods when sounds become or never are available, then, in most cases, you are too dependent on one way of doing things.  the more adaptable a blind computer user is, the more likely he or she is to be able to use the most number of programs and to cope with unexpected accessibility problems. 
 
Here are examples of how to use Firefox efficiently without sounds.  When a page finishes downloading, NVDA starts reading automatically.  When you press enter on a link, if it doesn't do anything you'll know.  You may not know instantly, but you'll know and this is seldom a problem. 
 
If you open the library during a download, you can hear the estimated time a download should take.  You can then go back and check the window later to see if it has finished after that time has passed. 
 
I'm not saying there are no efficiencies lost by not having sounds, but they are minor. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Well yes but some useful add ons are simply no longer made for the new one.
One is navigational sounds. To my mind it would be trivial for Mozilla to
insert  optional sounds in their own code, particularly for click a
link/button etc, and page loaded and end of download.
 Thiose are the main reason I use Waterfox.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons


Here's what I found out.  Uninstalling and reinstalling didn't change
anything.  The problem was that I was using a very slow connection for a bit
and I didn't realize how slow it was.  I was notified that Noscript had been
added but it hadn't been.  When I went through the procedure again, it was
and it is accessible.  So I now know that Quantum itself doesn't cause
accessibility problems if the add-ons are designed to be accessible.

Gene
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From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 10:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons


I had thought that when Quantum was introduced, it might have degraded
add-on accessibility even if the add-ons should be accessible but that might
not be the case.  I've seen very little discussion of this and the very
little I'd seen seemed to imply that but as I said, that may not be the
case.

Gene
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 8:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons


Gene,

          Your best bet with regard to add-ons (Firefox) or extensions
(Chrome) is to contact the developers of each.

           I am confused by "Firefox Chrome" (as the two browsers are
disjoint) as well as "Quantum Chrome" as Quantum was the name given when
Firefox dropped Gecko as its rendering engine, but not for Chrome.  Chrome
and Quantum are unconnected.

           Of course, in the land of web coding, the only thing that's going
to get any attention is what is current or upcoming.  They'll never go back
to previous versions of a given add-on/extension that have been supplanted.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.

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Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene
 

There is an update but I don't like it as muchh.  Though I seldom use it, I want it just in case.  I'm also not restricting myself in any way.  I almost always use the computer offline, using it online only rarely perhaps for Youtube or while on vacation for browsing and e-mail.  That being the case, I'd rather leave it as it is.  I don't think I'd have any problems with Service Pack 1, but for my purposes, it works flawlessly and I don't want to taike even minor risks of problems for no advantage that means anything.
 
One of these days, I may get curious enough about the new NVDA interface that I install Service Pack 1 but that hasn't happened yet. 
Gene

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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

You will have to have service pack 1 for most software updates to windows 7.
Are you sure that the program you are talking about does not have an update
to run on windows 7sp1? As you say, you are restricting yourself to loss of
many things while attempting to preserve just one. What is this software?
 Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 2:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons


I've seen occasional comments about add-ons being unusable in Firefox Chrome
by blind users.  I had hoped that there would be improvbement in time but
today, I tried to run Noscript and found it completely inaccessible.  I am
not using a recent version of NVDA but I doubt that matters.  If it does,
I'd like to know.  If the lack of access to these and other add-ons is as
extremely poor, nonexistent, to call it what it is, that I experienced
today, where does one report such matters or try to get something to be
done?

I did a Google searche for something like add-ons not accessible Quantum
Chrome and a few other searches but I didn't find one relevant result.  I
didn't even find messages from user discussion pages I would have thought
likely to show up in results.

So I have two questions:
Are things as bad as they seem, complete inaccessibility for add-ons, and is
any of this improved when using newer versions of NVDA?  I can't use recent
versions because none of my machines support them.  I could make my Windows
7 machine support them by installing Service Pack 1, but I'd lose access to
a program that is dconvenient to have now and then.  I also almost never use
that machine online.

Gene