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Re: Brailliant Bi32 display and NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Just some questions:

1 - What protocol are you using? Humanware, OpenBraille or via Bluetooth?
2 - If you are using OpenBraille or Bluetooth , NVDA will recognize the Braille display automatically.

3 - Did you checked the tables of commands for your display in NVDA User Guide?

Rui Fontes


Às 12:39 de 13/09/2018, Claire Potter escreveu:

Hi Brian, I am using the latest version of NVDA, and the same applies to the drivers.
Warm regards, Claire Potter,  Check out my brand new website: www.pottersplace.me.uk <http://www.pottersplace.me.uk>
On 13 Sep 2018, at 08:08, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io <mailto:bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>> wrote:

Is that because of the version of nvda in use, or the driver supplied by the maker?
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Brailliant Bi32 display and NVDA


Yeah, the 6 command keys don’t’ work. Same goes for the thumb keys in some apps.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Claire Potter
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brailliant Bi32 display and NVDA



Hi, as I said, I can't even do those commands.

Warm regards, Claire Potter,   Check out my brand new website: www.pottersplace.me.uk <http://www.pottersplace.me.uk> <http://www.pottersplace.me.uk>


On 12 Sep 2018, at 23:24, Antony Stone <antony.stone@... <mailto:antony.stone@...> <mailto:antony.stone@...> > wrote:

What problem do you have when you do enter these commands?  What goes wrong?

Antony.

On Wednesday 12 September 2018 at 22:27:58, Claire Potter wrote:




Hi all, I have recently started to use a Brailliant BI32 display, however I

would like some help with the following please. I want to know what the

NVDA support is like, as upon first impressions I am quite shocked at how

limited it is, bearing in mind that I want to execute common Windows

commands using the Braille display. I am talking about commands such as

pressing control to stop speech temporarily, commands such as alt+f4, and

in fact any commands which involve the function keys, along with commands

such as control+home and control+end, page up, page down, etc.  Can anyone

help please? Warm regards, Claire Potter


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itunes issue

 

Hi.

well just tried versions of nvda 2017, 2016 2015, 2014 and 2012, same issues so no help there I also tried 2018.3rc1 here and no joy.

In addition my speech went away and I had to doddle in narator in nvda preffs to get it back, but the trying a different version path doesn't work, its probably got to do with the fact that itunes is an app just like all the other apps.

Re: Brailliant Bi32 display and NVDA

Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...>
 

Hi Brian, I am using the latest version of NVDA, and the same applies to the drivers. 

Warm regards, Claire Potter,   Check out my brand new website: www.pottersplace.me.uk

On 13 Sep 2018, at 08:08, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

Is that because of the version of nvda in use, or the driver supplied by the maker?
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brailliant Bi32 display and NVDA


Yeah, the 6 command keys don’t’ work. Same goes for the thumb keys in some apps.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claire Potter
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brailliant Bi32 display and NVDA



Hi, as I said, I can't even do those commands.

Warm regards, Claire Potter,   Check out my brand new website: www.pottersplace.me.uk <http://www.pottersplace.me.uk>


On 12 Sep 2018, at 23:24, Antony Stone <antony.stone@... <mailto:antony.stone@...> > wrote:

What problem do you have when you do enter these commands?  What goes wrong?

Antony.

On Wednesday 12 September 2018 at 22:27:58, Claire Potter wrote:




Hi all, I have recently started to use a Brailliant BI32 display, however I

would like some help with the following please. I want to know what the

NVDA support is like, as upon first impressions I am quite shocked at how

limited it is, bearing in mind that I want to execute common Windows

commands using the Braille display. I am talking about commands such as

pressing control to stop speech temporarily, commands such as alt+f4, and

in fact any commands which involve the function keys, along with commands

such as control+home and control+end, page up, page down, etc.  Can anyone

help please? Warm regards, Claire Potter


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Re: skype new version

anthony borg
 

Dear inamuddin,

Could you please tell me what’s the shortcut to answer a call on that latest version you sent me of the skype?

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Inam Uddin via Groups.Io
Sent: 13 September 2018 10:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype new version

 

Respected sir, first of all, Classic Skype is still working.

Secondly, as far as the latest Skype is concern, it is Skype 8.30.0.50

For the sake of tutorial,

Go to youtube and type Skype electron-inamuddin

you will find my tutorial!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype new version

 

Hello folks

As the old version of skype stopped running, even the shortcuts that we used to use aren’t any longer used for other new versions.

If there is someone that is using one of the latest skype version for pc. I would be very greatful if he send me the version number and the shortcuts to use it please, I really appreciate it.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 13 September 2018 10:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: skype new version

 

One tricky thing I find with Emoji is that different platforms have different icons for them so things can look quite different.  Sometimes I hear NVDA describe an emoji and my first reaction is "Really? Is THAT was that thing is meant to be?"

 

 

 

 

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

I just hope people do not start putting them onto these emails.
I can of course hear them if I use Espeak latest version but the effect seems not to work on all synths. I have no idea even with the descriptions what the  idea of the actual imogees are. I can tell a smiley but that is about the  sum of what I ever used, being a text only junkie! Brian

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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems with nvda2018.3rc1


Hi Paul,

Press WINDOWS+. or WINDOWS+; to open the emoji panel, then either right
arrow through the items in the current section, press tab to move to the
sections and arrows to choose a new section, or start typing to search for
emoji, eg "cake"
🍰, "Smiling" or "firetruck" 🚒 (as with many other
search fields, you don't necessarily have to type the full thing - I typed
"fire" to narrow the results down to a handful to get the fire truck).

Press ENTER to insert your chosen emoji, and escape to close the panel.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:16 AM, P. Otter <pam.otter@...> wrote:

and can you tell me, how can I create an emoticon while emoticons add-on
is disabled?
i think it is very good possible that you're right!
please help.
thanks in advance!
paul otter


Op 12-9-2018 om 18:26 schreef Chris via Groups.Io:

Try disabling or removing the emoticon add-on see if that helps any, as
nvda now supports emoticons itself





*From: *P. Otter <pam.otter@...>
*Sent: *12 September 2018 16:28
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *[nvda] problems with nvda2018.3rc1



best forum members,

I have downloaded the nvda 2018.3 rc1 and put it into use.

but I am not entirely positive, there is still something here and there.

Like, I have already experienced a number of times, that I used the

emoticon add-on, often it goes well but suddenly without any apparent

reason it gets stuck.

With alt tab I can then go back to the text where I wanted to place an

emoji.

but it is not going well. Only after I have restarted nvda again can I

place an emoticon again.

are there more people who have the same problem?

with nvda 2018.2 I did not have these problems.

do I have to update the emoticon add-on?

is it available?

with a curious greeting

paul otter










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Re: itunes latest issue

Josh Kennedy
 

if you do switch to android, you will probably like it a lot. there are lots and lots of apps that are accessible with it. 

Re: itunes issue on nvda

 

Well to be honest, if you can sync stuff to itunes your itunes media folder is accessible, you can use that to pull things like music, etc to your drive or phone, you can probably use narator to import data to.

There is sincios but I am not sure about accessibility probably isn't.

But if this is only an nvda issue and it not seeing the window well who knows.

I don't know about other versions but some others can try, as far as I know, itunes 12.9 is the same as the universal app now, so in theory we have 1 module to handle, we get this with 1 of them we get both.

Itunes itself isn't that bad of the last couple versions, sure its clunky but so is outlook.

The thing is store and their apple music subscription.

You can get apps like contacts backup and if you can backup to the cloud and use icloud for windows it will work ok I guess, icloud has some inaccessible screens but you can get where you need to go easily enough with a bit of fiddling.

Contacts can be backed up to icloud and with programs like my contacts backup and you can dropbox the resultant file.

If you use something like google calendar for calendars that will be fine.

As for data since all apps store a lot in the cloud there is probably nothing you'd really need bar contacts.

On 9/13/2018 9:50 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
In this case then, as we are about to get a new version of nvda, it would be worth raising an issue on the current rc, in case its a simple fix inside nvda. It could be something has regressed and has not been spotted, anyone tried it with an older version of nvda?
I threw I tunes out. Seriously though, if I were to get an Apple phone, is there any alternative to the apple product to allow access to the  info on the phone other than maybe dropboxing everything?
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] itunes issue on nvda


Hi.

Well if its an nvda issue maybe we can get an addon for this, it seems to be limited to the main window not being able to be seen that includes message boxes like dialogs, it doesn't cover menus, dialogs or property pages.

I have not heard anything from dolphin so I have to assume nvda is the only one with the issue.

It does appear that itunes universal app and itunes desktop use the same interface now.

But yeah its a shame really.

Luckily I don't need to touch the server databases, thank god they are sorted out now, now as long as I never need to reformat the server or keep the databases backed up then I have no issue, technically as long as the data drive continues to function we shouldn't ever loose any data at all but still it is a pain.

For now I can probably make it with narator.

It will work I do hope well enough to sync/ backup/ update the iphone I have for my aunt, which is about the only thing I use itunes for.






Re: itunes issue on nvda

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

In this case then, as we are about to get a new version of nvda, it would be worth raising an issue on the current rc, in case its a simple fix inside nvda. It could be something has regressed and has not been spotted, anyone tried it with an older version of nvda?
I threw I tunes out. Seriously though, if I were to get an Apple phone, is there any alternative to the apple product to allow access to the info on the phone other than maybe dropboxing everything?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 8:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] itunes issue on nvda


Hi.

Well if its an nvda issue maybe we can get an addon for this, it seems to be limited to the main window not being able to be seen that includes message boxes like dialogs, it doesn't cover menus, dialogs or property pages.

I have not heard anything from dolphin so I have to assume nvda is the only one with the issue.

It does appear that itunes universal app and itunes desktop use the same interface now.

But yeah its a shame really.

Luckily I don't need to touch the server databases, thank god they are sorted out now, now as long as I never need to reformat the server or keep the databases backed up then I have no issue, technically as long as the data drive continues to function we shouldn't ever loose any data at all but still it is a pain.

For now I can probably make it with narator.

It will work I do hope well enough to sync/ backup/ update the iphone I have for my aunt, which is about the only thing I use itunes for.



Re: skype new version

anthony borg
 

Dear inamuddin,

Many thanks for your propt reply and all the info you have sent me. Which I really appreciated.

Best regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Inam Uddin via Groups.Io
Sent: 13 September 2018 10:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype new version

 

Respected sir, first of all, Classic Skype is still working.

Secondly, as far as the latest Skype is concern, it is Skype 8.30.0.50

For the sake of tutorial,

Go to youtube and type Skype electron-inamuddin

you will find my tutorial!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype new version

 

Hello folks

As the old version of skype stopped running, even the shortcuts that we used to use aren’t any longer used for other new versions.

If there is someone that is using one of the latest skype version for pc. I would be very greatful if he send me the version number and the shortcuts to use it please, I really appreciate it.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 13 September 2018 10:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: skype new version

 

One tricky thing I find with Emoji is that different platforms have different icons for them so things can look quite different.  Sometimes I hear NVDA describe an emoji and my first reaction is "Really? Is THAT was that thing is meant to be?"

 

 

 

 

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

I just hope people do not start putting them onto these emails.
I can of course hear them if I use Espeak latest version but the effect seems not to work on all synths. I have no idea even with the descriptions what the  idea of the actual imogees are. I can tell a smiley but that is about the  sum of what I ever used, being a text only junkie! Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems with nvda2018.3rc1


Hi Paul,

Press WINDOWS+. or WINDOWS+; to open the emoji panel, then either right
arrow through the items in the current section, press tab to move to the
sections and arrows to choose a new section, or start typing to search for
emoji, eg "cake"
🍰, "Smiling" or "firetruck" 🚒 (as with many other
search fields, you don't necessarily have to type the full thing - I typed
"fire" to narrow the results down to a handful to get the fire truck).

Press ENTER to insert your chosen emoji, and escape to close the panel.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:16 AM, P. Otter <pam.otter@...> wrote:

and can you tell me, how can I create an emoticon while emoticons add-on
is disabled?
i think it is very good possible that you're right!
please help.
thanks in advance!
paul otter


Op 12-9-2018 om 18:26 schreef Chris via Groups.Io:

Try disabling or removing the emoticon add-on see if that helps any, as
nvda now supports emoticons itself





*From: *P. Otter <pam.otter@...>
*Sent: *12 September 2018 16:28
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *[nvda] problems with nvda2018.3rc1



best forum members,

I have downloaded the nvda 2018.3 rc1 and put it into use.

but I am not entirely positive, there is still something here and there.

Like, I have already experienced a number of times, that I used the

emoticon add-on, often it goes well but suddenly without any apparent

reason it gets stuck.

With alt tab I can then go back to the text where I wanted to place an

emoji.

but it is not going well. Only after I have restarted nvda again can I

place an emoticon again.

are there more people who have the same problem?

with nvda 2018.2 I did not have these problems.

do I have to update the emoticon add-on?

is it available?

with a curious greeting

paul otter










--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess






 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

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Re: skype new version

Inam Uddin
 

Respected sir, first of all, Classic Skype is still working.

Secondly, as far as the latest Skype is concern, it is Skype 8.30.0.50

For the sake of tutorial,

Go to youtube and type Skype electron-inamuddin

you will find my tutorial!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: anthony borg
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] skype new version

 

Hello folks

As the old version of skype stopped running, even the shortcuts that we used to use aren’t any longer used for other new versions.

If there is someone that is using one of the latest skype version for pc. I would be very greatful if he send me the version number and the shortcuts to use it please, I really appreciate it.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 13 September 2018 10:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: skype new version

 

One tricky thing I find with Emoji is that different platforms have different icons for them so things can look quite different.  Sometimes I hear NVDA describe an emoji and my first reaction is "Really? Is THAT was that thing is meant to be?"

 

 

 

 

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

I just hope people do not start putting them onto these emails.
I can of course hear them if I use Espeak latest version but the effect seems not to work on all synths. I have no idea even with the descriptions what the  idea of the actual imogees are. I can tell a smiley but that is about the  sum of what I ever used, being a text only junkie! Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems with nvda2018.3rc1


Hi Paul,

Press WINDOWS+. or WINDOWS+; to open the emoji panel, then either right
arrow through the items in the current section, press tab to move to the
sections and arrows to choose a new section, or start typing to search for
emoji, eg "cake"
🍰, "Smiling" or "firetruck" 🚒 (as with many other
search fields, you don't necessarily have to type the full thing - I typed
"fire" to narrow the results down to a handful to get the fire truck).

Press ENTER to insert your chosen emoji, and escape to close the panel.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:16 AM, P. Otter <pam.otter@...> wrote:

and can you tell me, how can I create an emoticon while emoticons add-on
is disabled?
i think it is very good possible that you're right!
please help.
thanks in advance!
paul otter


Op 12-9-2018 om 18:26 schreef Chris via Groups.Io:

Try disabling or removing the emoticon add-on see if that helps any, as
nvda now supports emoticons itself





*From: *P. Otter <pam.otter@...>
*Sent: *12 September 2018 16:28
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *[nvda] problems with nvda2018.3rc1



best forum members,

I have downloaded the nvda 2018.3 rc1 and put it into use.

but I am not entirely positive, there is still something here and there.

Like, I have already experienced a number of times, that I used the

emoticon add-on, often it goes well but suddenly without any apparent

reason it gets stuck.

With alt tab I can then go back to the text where I wanted to place an

emoji.

but it is not going well. Only after I have restarted nvda again can I

place an emoticon again.

are there more people who have the same problem?

with nvda 2018.2 I did not have these problems.

do I have to update the emoticon add-on?

is it available?

with a curious greeting

paul otter











--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess







 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 

Re: skype new version

anthony borg
 

Hello folks

As the old version of skype stopped running, even the shortcuts that we used to use aren’t any longer used for other new versions.

If there is someone that is using one of the latest skype version for pc. I would be very greatful if he send me the version number and the shortcuts to use it please, I really appreciate it.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 13 September 2018 10:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: skype new version

 

One tricky thing I find with Emoji is that different platforms have different icons for them so things can look quite different.  Sometimes I hear NVDA describe an emoji and my first reaction is "Really? Is THAT was that thing is meant to be?"

 

 

 

 

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 4:59 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

I just hope people do not start putting them onto these emails.
I can of course hear them if I use Espeak latest version but the effect seems not to work on all synths. I have no idea even with the descriptions what the  idea of the actual imogees are. I can tell a smiley but that is about the  sum of what I ever used, being a text only junkie! Brian

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Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems with nvda2018.3rc1


Hi Paul,

Press WINDOWS+. or WINDOWS+; to open the emoji panel, then either right
arrow through the items in the current section, press tab to move to the
sections and arrows to choose a new section, or start typing to search for
emoji, eg "cake" 🍰, "Smiling" or "firetruck" 🚒 (as with many other
search fields, you don't necessarily have to type the full thing - I typed
"fire" to narrow the results down to a handful to get the fire truck).

Press ENTER to insert your chosen emoji, and escape to close the panel.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:16 AM, P. Otter <pam.otter@...> wrote:

and can you tell me, how can I create an emoticon while emoticons add-on
is disabled?
i think it is very good possible that you're right!
please help.
thanks in advance!
paul otter


Op 12-9-2018 om 18:26 schreef Chris via Groups.Io:

Try disabling or removing the emoticon add-on see if that helps any, as
nvda now supports emoticons itself





*From: *P. Otter <pam.otter@...>
*Sent: *12 September 2018 16:28
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *[nvda] problems with nvda2018.3rc1



best forum members,

I have downloaded the nvda 2018.3 rc1 and put it into use.

but I am not entirely positive, there is still something here and there.

Like, I have already experienced a number of times, that I used the

emoticon add-on, often it goes well but suddenly without any apparent

reason it gets stuck.

With alt tab I can then go back to the text where I wanted to place an

emoji.

but it is not going well. Only after I have restarted nvda again can I

place an emoticon again.

are there more people who have the same problem?

with nvda 2018.2 I did not have these problems.

do I have to update the emoticon add-on?

is it available?

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Re: problems with nvda2018.3rc1

Chris
 

Don’t worry you are not missing out 😃

 

 

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Subject: Re: [nvda] problems with nvda2018.3rc1

 

I just hear blank space in that.

However I'm not sure what I really should be hearing as I never use the

damned things myself.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:27 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] problems with nvda2018.3rc1

 

 

Like this you mean 😊

 

From: P. Otter

Sent: 12 September 2018 20:16

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] problems with nvda2018.3rc1

 

and can you tell me, how can I create an emoticon while emoticons add-on is

disabled?

i think it is very good possible that you're right!

please help.

thanks in advance!

paul otter

 

Op 12-9-2018 om 18:26 schreef Chris via Groups.Io:

Try disabling or removing the emoticon add-on see if that helps any, as nvda

now supports emoticons itself

 

 

From: P. Otter

Sent: 12 September 2018 16:28

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] problems with nvda2018.3rc1

 

best forum members,

I have downloaded the nvda 2018.3 rc1 and put it into use.

but I am not entirely positive, there is still something here and there.

Like, I have already experienced a number of times, that I used the

emoticon add-on, often it goes well but suddenly without any apparent

reason it gets stuck.

With alt tab I can then go back to the text where I wanted to place an

emoji.

but it is not going well. Only after I have restarted nvda again can I

place an emoticon again.

are there more people who have the same problem?

with nvda 2018.2 I did not have these problems.

do I have to update the emoticon add-on?

is it available?

with a curious greeting

paul otter

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: problems with nvda2018.3rc1

Quentin Christensen
 

One tricky thing I find with Emoji is that different platforms have different icons for them so things can look quite different.  Sometimes I hear NVDA describe an emoji and my first reaction is "Really? Is THAT was that thing is meant to be?"




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I just hope people do not start putting them onto these emails.
I can of course hear them if I use Espeak latest version but the effect seems not to work on all synths. I have no idea even with the descriptions what the  idea of the actual imogees are. I can tell a smiley but that is about the  sum of what I ever used, being a text only junkie! Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] problems with nvda2018.3rc1


Hi Paul,

Press WINDOWS+. or WINDOWS+; to open the emoji panel, then either right
arrow through the items in the current section, press tab to move to the
sections and arrows to choose a new section, or start typing to search for
emoji, eg "cake" 🍰, "Smiling" ☺or "firetruck" 🚒 (as with many other
search fields, you don't necessarily have to type the full thing - I typed
"fire" to narrow the results down to a handful to get the fire truck).

Press ENTER to insert your chosen emoji, and escape to close the panel.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:16 AM, P. Otter <pam.otter@...> wrote:

and can you tell me, how can I create an emoticon while emoticons add-on
is disabled?
i think it is very good possible that you're right!
please help.
thanks in advance!
paul otter


Op 12-9-2018 om 18:26 schreef Chris via Groups.Io:

Try disabling or removing the emoticon add-on see if that helps any, as
nvda now supports emoticons itself





*From: *P. Otter <pam.otter@...>
*Sent: *12 September 2018 16:28
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject: *[nvda] problems with nvda2018.3rc1



best forum members,

I have downloaded the nvda 2018.3 rc1 and put it into use.

but I am not entirely positive, there is still something here and there.

Like, I have already experienced a number of times, that I used the

emoticon add-on, often it goes well but suddenly without any apparent

reason it gets stuck.

With alt tab I can then go back to the text where I wanted to place an

emoji.

but it is not going well. Only after I have restarted nvda again can I

place an emoticon again.

are there more people who have the same problem?

with nvda 2018.2 I did not have these problems.

do I have to update the emoticon add-on?

is it available?

with a curious greeting

paul otter













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Re: NVDA 2018.3rc1 espeak problem with Russian language.

Quentin Christensen
 

Yep, I wasn't judging them - I haven't seen their code, all I see the end results for users :)

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 4:52 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes I saw the Russian problem or something like it on their mailing list a few days back. You are right, they fix one thing and break another. Reading between the lines I gather that they are trying to work with code that to be kind was brought into being in an organic fashion and things break due to the ramifications of a change not being obvious to the new team.
They seem to be trying to make things more ordered and certain things always fixed in the same way, not patched up as it seems it has been before.
However I still use the speech player in Espeak add on but with the old voice files. It stops a lot of the weird UK English problems.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3rc1 espeak problem with Russian language.



I did see it here.  I passed it on to Mick, as this is exactly the kind of
thing we are looking for.  I haven't had a chance to speak with him yet
about how to proceed.  Every eSpeak release lately seems to be a two-edged
sword - fixing some bugs and introducing others!

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I saw this mentioned on the Espeak list. I'd imagine other languages might
be the same  as well. I did not fully understand the problem as you say
because I do not speak the language.


I think you need to raise a ticket on nvdas gather site for this as I
doubt anyone will see it here.
In the meantime,  speech player in Espeak is still downloadable as an add
on and is an older version of Espeak but I cannot comment on how it affects
Russian obviously, but the same variants are there.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 9:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3rc1 espeak problem with Russian language.


hello, i am from russia and i using espeak. in changelog i noticed that
the synthesizer was updated. unfortunately because of the update, some
words and prepositions were pronounced very strange. I can not explain it
to people who do not know Russian, but it sounds unpleasant.
is it possible to not update the synthesizer in the release, or to find
the source of the problem?
Sincerely, Alexander.










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itunes issue on nvda

 

Hi.

Well if its an nvda issue maybe we can get an addon for this, it seems to be limited to the main window not being able to be seen that includes message boxes like dialogs, it doesn't cover menus, dialogs or property pages.

I have not heard anything from dolphin so I have to assume nvda is the only one with the issue.

It does appear that itunes universal app and itunes desktop use the same interface now.

But yeah its a shame really.

Luckily I don't need to touch the server databases, thank god they are sorted out now, now as long as I never need to reformat the server or keep the databases backed up then I have no issue, technically as long as the data drive continues to function we shouldn't ever loose any data at all but still it is a pain.

For now I can probably make it with narator.

It will work I do hope well enough to sync/ backup/ update the iphone I have for my aunt, which is about the only thing I use itunes for.

Re: itunes latest issue

 

Never found that issue on their website but I don't use it that much, their support was a bit of a joke, the first person I spoke to basically said it was a windows issue, I had to go through itunes billing to actually get to accessibility, they gave me a number but it appears it needs an extention to work so blaa.

To be honest, their stuff for windows is an accessibility joke, its a pitty they don't ask for testers to test things and fix their stupid inaccessible crapyness because that would be a nice job for me to do, would look good on my cv to test for them but oh well.

On 9/13/2018 7:18 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
But is not uncommon. Remember this is the company whose web site being inaccessible in Windows is being taken to court under the ADA over it. its a scandal that such a  big influential company does not suitably test their web sites and applications for blind access when they have such a good record for it on their hardware.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Weakland" <@HarmonicaPlayer>
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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] itunes latest issue


that sucks:(


On 9/12/2018 5:56 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Well, just updated to itunes 12.9, the main window is not visible with nvda, narator can read it on win10 sort of but not fully, nvda just treats it as a blank link.

After ages managed to talk to apple but they think its just an nvda issue, who knows if they will actually fix this, and I was thinking I would be going to eventually buy an i device.




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Re: itunes latest issue

 

Well ok, itunes, and the store I agree with you there, the library issue.

Now saying all that, if you make program x with a large database x length and make it full of stuff things can screw up, look at outlook.

I have had no choice but to load my dad's business database which I would usually run all data from the server hard drive on his workstation's flash ssd because of wait time for checking and database loading.

I have synced from the same drive and the same server, photos for the cameras for the house and our personal cameras, the program I use from soni does bring them up, but even with all the systems shut down and things the box took me 3 days to compile the database and at least 5 minutes on software start to load it

And yes I have had a corrupted database before, and yes while I can clear it and rebuild it again its quite hard.

At least I can rebuild the database for itunes though you have to jump through hoops to do it, on outlook you need to start again which as long as you don't mind losing most of your data except what is stored on google imap is fine I guess.

On 9/13/2018 7:10 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
Hi,

Not overly helpful I admit but, having just updated to 12.9, I am getting this problem, too. However, on this rare occasion, I think Apple may well be right about it being an NVDA issue since I seem to still have the same access to iTunes with JAWS as I've always had after a cursory look. However, I do still absolutely loathe iTunes and wish I could find a better way of transferring material to my phone!

Cheers
Richard Bartholomew


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: 12 September 2018 23:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] itunes latest issue

Hi.

Well, just updated to itunes 12.9, the main window is not visible with nvda, narator can read it on win10 sort of but not fully, nvda just treats it as a blank link.

After ages managed to talk to apple but they think its just an nvda issue, who knows if they will actually fix this, and I was thinking I would be going to eventually buy an i device.








Re: itunes latest issue

 

Well they say its an nvda issue, I wouldn't mind except itunes is the only way to update things, saying with the death of the store on windows, unless I use it for podcasts and such on windows which I probably won't there is almost no reason for me to ever use it except if I need to store a full backup, and I know a program like contacts backup will work for contacts, the rest is on icloud and the storage rates are fair enough.

It does appear that the itunes universal and the itune pc app have the same interface but the fact is I do wander if the itunes app was accessible in the first place, I never needed to check.

However, while I will soldier on with this, this latest issue may push me off of ios, not because its quite accessible but if I can't use the windows configuration and sync software properly then if it goes pair shaped then I have no chance at all.

On the other hand, with android the chance that my software to do things from windows is going to be accessible is probably low to and I know where to get apple stuff and it is only 1 single system to learn which is probably why I will still end up using it, as long as I have an old device, this latest issue is starting to make me think twice about putting all my stuff in the apple environment.

I have family now with apple devices with a lot of stuff, once your stuff is in apple its going to have to stay there and you will have to continue to use it, and while I won't get the latest something I am seriously thinking on my next device being with the competition.

To be honest if I didn't care for apps and as long as I have a 32 bit unit about I can continue using symbian phones for the rest of my life but there are so many reasons to actually get up and use apps these days.

On 9/13/2018 2:50 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I’m not so interested in being fair to Apple in this instance. Microsoft has made the office suite reasonably accessible on the Mac and even on I devices. Apple hasn’t done that well with iTunes or iCloud for that matter. As somebody who owned a Mac for years, hoping that Apple would catch up with Accessibility there and eventually I went back to windows, I’m disgusted. Far more people in this world use windows then use a Mac. I love the eye devices. Apple needs to step up his game on windows. It’s that simple.
Mary
On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:40 PM, John Isige <gwynn@...> wrote:

To be fair to Apple, Apple's stuff works pretty differently on Apple's
stuff, as opposed to Windows ports. I don't know if Safari under Windows
is usable, but it's usable, if pretty weird, on the mac.


On 9/12/2018 19:45, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Thanks for that.



On 9/13/2018 11:19 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Apple has an accessibility address

accessibility@...

wher you can send email. They also have a direct phone number to the
accessibility department. But I don't know about contacting them on
this line outside the U.S., since it is a toll-free number. (877)
204–3930


On 9/12/2018 4:09 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Yes it does, I was getting close to getting into apple devices, my
aunt well has this, they had issues with icloud, most of that is
fixed, I wouldn't complain but basically the entire window does not
display, on the desktop itunes, not sure about the app, not sure
about dolphin or jaws,

But a lot of us need to contact apple about this though I had a job
to even get accessibility the main support tech was almost
completely useless, I had to go through itunes billing to get a real
human the drone I had was useless, scarily enough, when I reached
apple access the person I got sounded almost but not quite like the
eva cortana voice, so who knows if that was real or not but who
knows I am sure it was <grin>


On 9/13/2018 11:04 AM, Joseph Weakland wrote:
that sucks:(


On 9/12/2018 5:56 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Well, just updated to itunes 12.9, the main window is not visible
with nvda, narator can read it on win10 sort of but not fully,
nvda just treats it as a blank link.

After ages managed to talk to apple but they think its just an
nvda issue, who knows if they will actually fix this, and I was
thinking I would be going to eventually buy an i device.









Re: itunes issue solved in a round about way

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That sounds very like what I'm getting in windows 7 on the dropbox dialogues which everyone says works for them. Can others duplicate the Itumes issue?
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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 3:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] itunes issue solved in a round about way


Hi all.

Well I have sort of solved my issue of itunes 12.9.

I first uninstalled itunes then tried the app from the app store.

The app does the same thing, it appears that apple desktop itunes and apple itunes app are the same.

The issue then is this, it appears that the main window of itune is not visible to nvda, it may never have been that way, it was when true desktop interfaces were used, why its not visible is unknown, maybe someone can look at that.

At any rate, when I loaded it in nvda and did an nvda b I got just window suggesting there was in deed a window, shift tab got unknown and blank so the way the main window is being presented is well just not happening, I was able to get a partial read with narator, and I may have to resort to using that for now.

It does make sence for apple to merge the 2 apps but it is a bit of a problem now.



Re: itunes latest issue

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But is not uncommon. Remember this is the company whose web site being inaccessible in Windows is being taken to court under the ADA over it. its a scandal that such a big influential company does not suitably test their web sites and applications for blind access when they have such a good record for it on their hardware.

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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] itunes latest issue


that sucks:(


On 9/12/2018 5:56 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Well, just updated to itunes 12.9, the main window is not visible with nvda, narator can read it on win10 sort of but not fully, nvda just treats it as a blank link.

After ages managed to talk to apple but they think its just an nvda issue, who knows if they will actually fix this, and I was thinking I would be going to eventually buy an i device.




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Re: NVDA and amazon

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For the record I've had no issues ordering other things via Amazon other than the usual one of illogical layout and clutter. The annoying thing recently is that the Alexa app when used on a pc seems to have a decidedly annoying lag when entering text in a box or edit area and it echoes of course making typing an issue. Also it seems a bit clunky to actually stay in a tab you are exploring, ie say you need to delete items from a shopping list the delete buttons sometimes seem to be focussed but are not.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and amazon


I've also noticed this issue lately. You might try www dot amazon dot com slash access. I've written this out because my BrailleNote Touch doesn't always translate web addresses correctly. Anyway, I haven't tried buying a Kindle book using this site, but I was able to order an Echo Dot today without any trouble so it's worth a looksee. Hope this helps.

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