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Re: Has anyone else had quick navigation keys stop working after installing Microsoft Office?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Comment. Note Office removal or updates have in the past stopped proper use of single key nav in browsers and pdf and word due to registry not being put back as it should be. Assuming you are using the latest nvda, then running the tool in the tools section to re register some crucial files needed for accessibility may fix the problem. Otherwise if not you may need to go back to the machine before it was installed, NOT by uninstalling but either via backup and restore or maybe the more convenient system restore. It may not work though. Can you still move between focus and browse modes? If yes it could be a new but similar problem created in a recent update.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:21 PM
Subject: [nvda] Has anyone else had quick navigation keys stop working after installing Microsoft Office?


They were working until I did that installation. I have a laptop computer. The vendor configured it before giving it to
me. The quick navigation keys have never worked. They are trying to figure out what they might have done that caused
this problem. Once I know that, I might be able to write a NVDA add-on to correct it.

Thanks,
John

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Re: ccleaner new release

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Its this hover too long thing which is the pain.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new release


Yes, I am unsure why they feel they have to include this feature either.

It looks like it was part of android for a while and they are simply porting it over, one of those one size fits all jobs.

I could see why you wuld want it in a mobile phone, a set and forget, but quickclean is not really usefull for us really in fact some users have had it crash and they have made it just be off, but yeah, its not accessible and actually really not needed by us either.



On 11/13/2018 10:04 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The latest release has an issue. If you dally around when going through the buttons, on the new quick thingymajig, it auto activates, leaving you in an inaccessible window, which you have to close to carry on.
It seems to me this so called new feature is simply the old customise feature brought out on the top level and made not to work with a screenreader very well. Hitting custom seems to just behave as before.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 6:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner new release


Hi all.

Here is a new release and as usual the ini file is here.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kbbbqs8blbyuev9/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

The ini file has as usual the ics run for those that want to get the full benifits or simply don't want my file do a control f on ccleaner.ini in notepad and find cfg.

Select every line including the first cfg line and hit delete and then save the file and rerun the program.

Sadly quickclean and the settings to use it are as buggy as ever, ie I can't deselect the buttons or even do anything, and quickclean still has issues but at least now it starts by default as off.

Now as long as piriform or should I say avast corp in their infinit wizdom doesn't reenable the damn setting every few runthroughs that will actually be good.

I suspect the fact that its freezing on some units rather than my issue is probably the issue.

I really hope that at least in portable we don't have to handle these issues its why I switched to portable, firstly the visual panel and then to get away from system monitering.

The thing is, get past the inaccessible configuration and settings, the monitering, the extra not needed things like quickclean and the program is basically accessible once configured.

If you didn't have my ini file you would need sighted help to configure it once, but then you could also edit the ini file, settings mostly are true false 1 or 0 values mostly anyway.

There are custom ini files you can put in or get bits from to.

And there are ways to add things in if you need just remember eventually the datafile entries will slow the engine down.

With all that out the way, ccleaner is still in my view a good program.






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problems with textnav addon

Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Hi,
Well I am using latest stable NVDA with testnav addon,
I found that some text are are ignored by the textnav addons.

Example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English
when loaded into this page, press shift alt down arrow, it jumps to "Look up English or english in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.", where there is a portion of text "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" before that is skipped
then I press shift alt down arrow again , it jumps to "This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the title English. "
where also skipped "English usually refers to: "

Example 2
https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/crr7mlg0gqqt/apple

press shift alt down arrow jump to "Market cap. US dollars"
where "Apple
Ticker AAPL
Today's data summary
Market closed
% change
-1.00%
Price US dollars
192.23
Change
-1.94
As of 09:58 14 Nov 2018" are skipped

There are still many examples of such situation happening where I only quoted two of them.

Many thanks.
William


Identifying errors in NVDA with eclipse while reading line by line

Mohith BP
 

Hi Team,

I am facing 2 issues with the eclipse:
1. I am not able to identify errors and warnings on Eclipse with NVDA
screen reader.
However JAWS reads invalid at the error / warning.

2. Cannot navigate word by word in editor. I have unchecked the Smart
Cursor in editor preference as documented in Eclipse accessibility
page.
I am using eclipse-java-neon-2-win32-x86_64
Am I missing something.

Thanks in advance.

Thanks & Regards,
Mohith B. P.


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Gene
 

If it is free in this case, its illegal because Eloquence is still sold and is not being offered as a free product.  If it's being charged for, it's likely legal. 
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

hi gene.
i downloaded one version of eloquence from one website and i dont know
its legal or not.
the legal eloquence addon, is it commercial or freeware?
whats the difference between legal and illegal addon?
can you clarify this matter for me?
i wish to know about it.
thanks and God bless you!

On 11/14/18, Kevin <kleeva5@...> wrote:
> That’s with code factory correct?  You have to buy it correct?
>
> E-mail is golden!!!
> Kevin Lee
>
> From: Rui Fontes
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 7:24 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA
>
> Sorry, let me rephrase that...
>
> Eloquence have a SAPI5 version, and as that, it is available for all
> applications...
>
> It does not come with any flavour of Windows operative system...
>
>
> Rui Fontes
>
> Às 14:59 de 13/11/2018, kelby carlson escreveu:
>> I had no idea Eloquence had become a Windows Voice. I assumed SAPI
>> version 4 would be the old voices (i.e. Mary, Sam, Mike, from long ago.)
>> This is very helpful so thank you.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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in order that
I may disobey God
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I would not do it.
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Re: Skype ver 8.33

 

hi robert. thanks for your explanation and help, God bless you!

On 11/14/18, zahra a <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
i heard someone told that skype classic 7.30 and previous ones, does
not work anymore.

On 11/13/18, Darren Harris via Groups.Io
<darren_g_harris=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
When is classic skype going to stop working does anyone know?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert
Kingett
Sent: 13 November 2018 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype ver 8.33



I've never seen anybody mainstream usin teamtalk. It seems like only
blind
people use it, sadly. It's a great program even though it is not simple
to
set up. As for what you can do to make this new version a bit easier to
use,
there's very little you can do. I would at least turn auto answering
calls
on. Below are the steps. The privacy issue is outweighed by the amount of
time it takes for users to answer a call manually.

1. Hit Alt, T.
2. Arrow down to preferences.
3. Once inside preferences, go to the calls tab and check answer incoming
calls automatically. Settings save automatically so close the window
after.







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali
--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene
 

I'll keep it in mind.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

hi gene.
i subscribed to
www.bugzilla.mozilla.org
and requested anything that i wish to add to firefox.

On 11/14/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I had thought that when Quantum was introduced, it might have degraded
> add-on accessibility even if the add-ons should be accessible but that might
> not be the case.  I've seen very little discussion of this and the very
> little I'd seen seemed to imply that but as I said, that may not be the
> case.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Brian Vogel
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 8:57 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons
>
>
> Gene,
>
>           Your best bet with regard to add-ons (Firefox) or extensions
> (Chrome) is to contact the developers of each.
>
>            I am confused by "Firefox Chrome" (as the two browsers are
> disjoint) as well as "Quantum Chrome" as Quantum was the name given when
> Firefox dropped Gecko as its rendering engine, but not for Chrome.  Chrome
> and Quantum are unconnected.
>
>            Of course, in the land of web coding, the only thing that's going
> to get any attention is what is current or upcoming.  They'll never go back
> to previous versions of a given add-on/extension that have been supplanted.
>
> --
>
> Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
> illusion is deep.
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: Skype ver 8.33

 

i heard someone told that skype classic 7.30 and previous ones, does
not work anymore.

On 11/13/18, Darren Harris via Groups.Io
<darren_g_harris=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
When is classic skype going to stop working does anyone know?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: 13 November 2018 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype ver 8.33



I've never seen anybody mainstream usin teamtalk. It seems like only blind
people use it, sadly. It's a great program even though it is not simple to
set up. As for what you can do to make this new version a bit easier to use,
there's very little you can do. I would at least turn auto answering calls
on. Below are the steps. The privacy issue is outweighed by the amount of
time it takes for users to answer a call manually.

1. Hit Alt, T.
2. Arrow down to preferences.
3. Once inside preferences, go to the calls tab and check answer incoming
calls automatically. Settings save automatically so close the window after.







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

 

hi gene.
i downloaded one version of eloquence from one website and i dont know
its legal or not.
the legal eloquence addon, is it commercial or freeware?
whats the difference between legal and illegal addon?
can you clarify this matter for me?
i wish to know about it.
thanks and God bless you!

On 11/14/18, Kevin <kleeva5@...> wrote:
That’s with code factory correct? You have to buy it correct?

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 7:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Sorry, let me rephrase that...

Eloquence have a SAPI5 version, and as that, it is available for all
applications...

It does not come with any flavour of Windows operative system...


Rui Fontes

Às 14:59 de 13/11/2018, kelby carlson escreveu:
I had no idea Eloquence had become a Windows Voice. I assumed SAPI
version 4 would be the old voices (i.e. Mary, Sam, Mike, from long ago.)
This is very helpful so thank you.






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

 

hi gene.
i subscribed to
www.bugzilla.mozilla.org
and requested anything that i wish to add to firefox.

On 11/14/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I had thought that when Quantum was introduced, it might have degraded
add-on accessibility even if the add-ons should be accessible but that might
not be the case. I've seen very little discussion of this and the very
little I'd seen seemed to imply that but as I said, that may not be the
case.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 8:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons


Gene,

Your best bet with regard to add-ons (Firefox) or extensions
(Chrome) is to contact the developers of each.

I am confused by "Firefox Chrome" (as the two browsers are
disjoint) as well as "Quantum Chrome" as Quantum was the name given when
Firefox dropped Gecko as its rendering engine, but not for Chrome. Chrome
and Quantum are unconnected.

Of course, in the land of web coding, the only thing that's going
to get any attention is what is current or upcoming. They'll never go back
to previous versions of a given add-on/extension that have been supplanted.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene
 

Here's what I found out.  Uninstalling and reinstalling didn't change anything.  The problem was that I was using a very slow connection for a bit and I didn't realize how slow it was.  I was notified that Noscript had been added but it hadn't been.  When I went through the procedure again, it was and it is accessible.  So I now know that Quantum itself doesn't cause accessibility problems if the add-ons are designed to be accessible.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

I had thought that when Quantum was introduced, it might have degraded add-on accessibility even if the add-ons should be accessible but that might not be the case.  I've seen very little discussion of this and the very little I'd seen seemed to imply that but as I said, that may not be the case.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene,

          Your best bet with regard to add-ons (Firefox) or extensions (Chrome) is to contact the developers of each.

           I am confused by "Firefox Chrome" (as the two browsers are disjoint) as well as "Quantum Chrome" as Quantum was the name given when Firefox dropped Gecko as its rendering engine, but not for Chrome.  Chrome and Quantum are unconnected.

           Of course, in the land of web coding, the only thing that's going to get any attention is what is current or upcoming.  They'll never go back to previous versions of a given add-on/extension that have been supplanted.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene
 

I had thought that when Quantum was introduced, it might have degraded add-on accessibility even if the add-ons should be accessible but that might not be the case.  I've seen very little discussion of this and the very little I'd seen seemed to imply that but as I said, that may not be the case.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene,

          Your best bet with regard to add-ons (Firefox) or extensions (Chrome) is to contact the developers of each.

           I am confused by "Firefox Chrome" (as the two browsers are disjoint) as well as "Quantum Chrome" as Quantum was the name given when Firefox dropped Gecko as its rendering engine, but not for Chrome.  Chrome and Quantum are unconnected.

           Of course, in the land of web coding, the only thing that's going to get any attention is what is current or upcoming.  They'll never go back to previous versions of a given add-on/extension that have been supplanted.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene
 

I just found something interesting.  I am using firefox Portable and I uninstalled version 63 and then reinstalled it.  I had updated it before, from the first Quantum version through perhaps two others.  On reinstalling, I can see things in the extensions section I couldn't before.  Perhaps updating doesn't change things that need to be changed for better accessibility.  I'll see if browsing is better. 
 
I still don't know how accessible extensions are but I'll test with noscript again.  But now, I can get to the part of the dialog to disable or uninstal the add-on, which I couldn't before.
 
What I'm saying may apply to the installed version of firefox as well. 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 8:42 PM
Subject: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

I've seen occasional comments about add-ons being unusable in Firefox Chrome by blind users.  I had hoped that there would be improvbement in time but today, I tried to run Noscript and found it completely inaccessible.  I am not using a recent version of NVDA but I doubt that matters.  If it does, I'd like to know.  If the lack of access to these and other add-ons is as extremely poor, nonexistent, to call it what it is, that I experienced today, where does one report such matters or try to get something to be done? 
 
I did a Google searche for something like add-ons not accessible Quantum Chrome and a few other searches but I didn't find one relevant result.  I didn't even find messages from user discussion pages I would have thought likely to show up in results.
 
So I have two questions:
Are things as bad as they seem, complete inaccessibility for add-ons, and is any of this improved when using newer versions of NVDA?  I can't use recent versions because none of my machines support them.  I could make my Windows 7 machine support them by installing Service Pack 1, but I'd lose access to a program that is dconvenient to have now and then.  I also almost never use that machine online.
 
Gene


Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Hope Williamson <isepic@...>
 

That all depends on the add-on itself. Some are accessible and some aren’t. Noscript has it’s own website. https://noscript.net


Re: Firefox Quantum and add-ons

 

Gene,

          Your best bet with regard to add-ons (Firefox) or extensions (Chrome) is to contact the developers of each.

           I am confused by "Firefox Chrome" (as the two browsers are disjoint) as well as "Quantum Chrome" as Quantum was the name given when Firefox dropped Gecko as its rendering engine, but not for Chrome.  Chrome and Quantum are unconnected.

           Of course, in the land of web coding, the only thing that's going to get any attention is what is current or upcoming.  They'll never go back to previous versions of a given add-on/extension that have been supplanted.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Firefox Quantum and add-ons

Gene
 

I've seen occasional comments about add-ons being unusable in Firefox Chrome by blind users.  I had hoped that there would be improvbement in time but today, I tried to run Noscript and found it completely inaccessible.  I am not using a recent version of NVDA but I doubt that matters.  If it does, I'd like to know.  If the lack of access to these and other add-ons is as extremely poor, nonexistent, to call it what it is, that I experienced today, where does one report such matters or try to get something to be done? 
 
I did a Google searche for something like add-ons not accessible Quantum Chrome and a few other searches but I didn't find one relevant result.  I didn't even find messages from user discussion pages I would have thought likely to show up in results.
 
So I have two questions:
Are things as bad as they seem, complete inaccessibility for add-ons, and is any of this improved when using newer versions of NVDA?  I can't use recent versions because none of my machines support them.  I could make my Windows 7 machine support them by installing Service Pack 1, but I'd lose access to a program that is dconvenient to have now and then.  I also almost never use that machine online.
 
Gene


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

That’s with code factory correct?  You have to buy it correct?

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 7:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

 

Sorry, let me rephrase that...

 

Eloquence have a SAPI5 version, and as that, it is available for all

applications...

 

It does not come with any flavour of Windows operative system...

 

 

Rui Fontes

 

Às 14:59 de 13/11/2018, kelby carlson escreveu:

> I had no idea Eloquence had become a Windows Voice. I assumed SAPI

> version 4 would be the old voices (i.e. Mary, Sam, Mike, from long ago.)

> This is very helpful so thank you.

>

 

 

 


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

kelby carlson
 

Does anyone have recommendations for good free synths with NVDA? I like the Windows 1 Core voices, but the consonants tend to be muffled and there are some odd pauses.


Re: Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

To test Eloquence SAPI5:
https://www.tiflotecnia.net/eloquence_sapi5_tiflo.exe

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 17:54 de 13/11/2018, Gene escreveu:

There is an illegal version that is an add-on.  There is also a legal add-on which, unless the artifacts problem has been solved, I do not recommend.  There is a SAPI 5 version that is legal.  It doesn't have the artifacts problem.
The legal demo and the SAPI 5 version both have demos and you should try both in case you have unexpected problems with the SAPI 5 version and in case the artifacts problem has been solved with the legal add-on, which I am very doubtful of.
Members can tell you where to get demos.  I haven't done this for a number of years.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* kelby carlson <mailto:kelbycarlson@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2018 10:52 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Eloquence with Lates Version of NVDA
I'm a little confused. It sounds like there are at least two versions of Eloquence. Are you saying that it is only the illegal one that is SAPI? Is the Code Factory ad-on the only legal one?


Re: Eloquence

Gene
 

If its free, it isn't legal because Eloquence is still being licensed and charged for by the owner.  If you pay, it's probably legal.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 11:00 AM
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence

So is the SAPI 5 Eloquence  offered by Blind Help Project a illegal copy
of Eloquence?