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Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...>
 

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka


Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

 

Oh, I didn't take it into account. Sorry about that.
Now, I'd think that WordWeb isn't exactly what you're looking for. Sorry again.

Cheers,
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Em 15/02/2019 09:30, Robert Geoffroy escreveu:

Hi, Marcio, and thank you very much! Did you take into account I am interested above all in bilingual dictionaries? I wasn't looking for a monolingual dictionary although I have downloaded the WordWeb, and will see how it works! On their site, I didn't find anything about bilingual dictionaries (French-English, English-French, and German-English, English-German...

If they sell those bilingual dictionaries, would you be kind enough to give me the links? I asked a sighted friend and he didn't find either.

All the best,

Robert


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Try WordWeb. It's the best dictionary I've ever used.
Though it has "online" in its name, I'm 99,9% sure it works offline except by 1 or 2 features which I don't use at all, so..
Anyway, give it a try and see what you get.


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Em 14/02/2019 15:07, Robert Geoffroy escreveu:


	Hi, everyone,
	
	Do any of you know which language dictionaries are accessible with NVDA, maybe with add-ons? I don’t speak of on-line dictionaries! I’m looking for French-English, English-French dictionaries, English-German and German-English ones too.
	
	I use “Le Robert & Collins” (2.2.0.5) but it isn’t fully accessible.
	
	Well, have you any ideas about that? Thanks!
	
	Robert
	
	
	
	
	










Re: Need help learning Braille

Josh Kennedy
 

well as of now the orbit reader20 low cost braille display is out of stock. If you need a low cost display to use with NVDA, you may want to get the braille me, for $515 by national braille press. It has 20 cells with 6 dots each and cursor router buttons.   It also has a perkins style keyboard. When I got mine last summer it had some dot issues and some other issues, so i returned it, wrote up a big google docs document on all issues i found and possible ways of improving the problems with braille me. this was last May or last June of 2018. from what i understand the braille me has gone through 3 or so big updates since then and those hardware and software issues with braille me have been solved. Braille me only works as a stand-alone book reader, stand alone noteTaker, and it works as a braille terminal for NVDA and brailleback on android and voiceover for iPhone. as of now braille me does not work with jaws. Braille me is more like a blazie engineering braille lite, because it has a forward and back translator in it if you choose to use it. or you can just write whatever code you wish and then just save in digital braille brf or brl files right on its sd card.  you also need a free NVDA addon so NVDA then recognises braille me as a possible braille display. 

Josh


Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Robert Geoffroy
 

Hi, Marcio, and thank you very much! Did you take into account I am interested above all in bilingual dictionaries? I wasn't looking for a monolingual dictionary although I have downloaded the WordWeb, and will see how it works! On their site, I didn't find anything about bilingual dictionaries (French-English, English-French, and German-English, English-German...

If they sell those bilingual dictionaries, would you be kind enough to give me the links? I asked a sighted friend and he didn't find either.

All the best,

Robert

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Try WordWeb. It's the best dictionary I've ever used.
Though it has "online" in its name, I'm 99,9% sure it works offline except by 1 or 2 features which I don't use at all, so..
Anyway, give it a try and see what you get.


Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>


Em 14/02/2019 15:07, Robert Geoffroy escreveu:


Hi, everyone,

Do any of you know which language dictionaries are accessible with NVDA, maybe with add-ons? I don’t speak of on-line dictionaries! I’m looking for French-English, English-French dictionaries, English-German and German-English ones too.

I use “Le Robert & Collins” (2.2.0.5) but it isn’t fully accessible.

Well, have you any ideas about that? Thanks!

Robert


Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

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I wrote a reply here, but not seen it yet!
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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 9:58 AM
Subject: [nvda] Captcha solving services and NVDA


Hello all,

as Webvisum, at least to my knowledge, has been discontinued, I am wondering if there are affordable captcha solving services which are accessible with NVDA?

Anny input on this is highly appreciated.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka


Re: Competition was Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

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Web sites are a whole other subject. Yes you can have a web site which is so busy that nobody feels happy using it. Even sighted people
Or#

You can have so many advertising streams added from all over the place with nobody checking if their content is going to screw up the good work of the site designer.
or
You can have so many clever effects on a page that really needs to be fast and easy that nearly everyone clicks away.
All commerce and form filling sites need a new standard. The more boring the better standard with all titles in the same place no picture links etc and normal form fields for everything but personal data like passwords and card details.

There is no need for pretty sliding graphics and general clutter with every changing edit field hints drawing the focus away from that place, no tickers on the bottom or carousels of adverts running while you try to fill it in.
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And then there’s the whole debate about The difference between what is technically accessible and what is practically useable. I’ve been having this debate with Microsoft for years. Even if everything conforms to current WC3 standards, for example, it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s easy to use the resulting webpage.

Sile
On Feb 15, 2019, at 4:13 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Not sure how I feel about this myself. To me there seems to be one issue nobody mentions at all. Should we not expect every company to design software so that a manufacturers accessibility tools can work with them out of the box. The problem as you state is a catch 22 one in that we have no access experts working for software companies because we have inaccessible tools to make the software with!

I think the only real reason Jaws still is around is because of attitudes of companies who need or are forced by local laws to have accessible in house software to allow them to employ disabled people.Its expensive but if they actually sent the money they spent on Jaws scripting and the program to invest in a similar thing for nvda. it would actually be cheaper for them. It would be really nice to find as well that Jenny at Microsoft had the clout to say, you cannot release this software as its not been written using Windows API.
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 3:34 PM
Subject: Competition was Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


The key to this situation as many have said is self-interest. As a programming student, I have a lot of computers around my house. my personal preference is for Mac, but the college is using absolutely nothing but visual studio for Windows. The complete Monopoly of visual studio in the college is extremely frustrating to me. Microsoft, for all its vaunted accessibility spending, still builds apps the way they did in the early 2000. Accessibility continues to be an afterthought despite millions of dollars spent on artificial intelligence is that are supposed to make our lives better in the future. They haven't told us how we're supposed to pay for those brand new accessibility features, when we can't get jobs because we can't get access to visual studio features and SharePoint team site. VScode accessibility is under development on Windows, though Microsoft admits, it is currently ignoring accessibility on the Mack. as a person who wants very much to develop on Mac OS, I find Microsoft limited attention to accessibility on the Mac extremely irritating. Since accessibility on Windows is only slightly better, a part of me wishes Windows would simply implode and go away. As a systems technician formerly earning my bread cleaning up viruses and security threats, I learned to revile parts of the windows computing experience.


the days of high-cost accessibility are not nearly as far behind us as we would all like to believe. customers investing thousands of dollars each overtime had a right to feel proprietary about the products they bought, even if they never saw the money they paid in. 即日factor in the extremely preferential nature of speech synthesizers and Braille displays used for screen reader output, and the politics of screen reader manufacturers, and you had a real soup of excessive loyalties. That situation still holds true today, even though there are far fewer of those high-cost screen readers than there once were. the fact is, customers are now far more in control of what they spend, and they see much more of the money, then they did in the days of expensive screen readers.

despite the idealistic belief of many learned people who ought to know better, there is very little evidence to support the idea that competition was good for screen reader manufacturers, and evidence in abundance to support the idea that it was never good. In fact it was bad. Over the last 20 years, competition in the screen reader market has been based not on quality, performance, and features, but on exclusivity agreements, and corporate litigation. accessibility continue to be an afterthought, and only the manufacturer with the right high-level access in any given situation could develop accessibility for a given product. Wait times for accessibility to off-the-shelf products could you take years. Software developers used their products to try to freeze out hardware manufacturers.

I wish Jaws would die, because it's expensive, proprietary, unnecessary, and I revile the politics of the people who develop it. Competition between nvda and Jaws is not good for customers, and it's not good for the market. obsolescence of jaws has major ramifications for companies such as Banks using old proprietary systems, but I think it would be a mistake to feel too Sorry for those types of companies. increased adoption of nvda with the right advocacy could lead to higher employment, better education and training, and better design practices for commercial software. we are all good and valuable things, not merely for blind people, but for businesses, infrastructures, economies, and society in general.

a competition between nvda and narrator may have some positive ramifications, especially on the narrator side, but the sooner freedom scientific gets out of the way, the better.

Best,

Th
erik


On February 3, 2019 9:43:12 AM "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
here's what I don't get: Why would some users of one screen reader
actually wish for another screen reader to disappear? I can understand
when a company decides it would be somewhat cool if the competition
didn't exist. But users? Why would I, for instance, as a Mac user want
Windows to die? Wouldn't it be logical for a JAWS user to be grateful
that NVDA exists because competition improves quality?
Best,
Felix

Am So., 3. Feb. 2019 um 14:35 Uhr schrieb molly the blind tech lover
<brainardmolly@gmail.com>:

Hi.

I agree with everything you say.

I love NVDA.

I am so grateful that it exists as it has changed my life for the better. I am so grateful to all the NVDA developers and contributors.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?



Hi!

Reading this thread about the rumours of NVDA dying, I couldn’t help thinking: would I be right in guessing that the people who mentioned this don’t use NVDA themselves? Over the years I’ve come across several users of other screenreaders who look down on NVDA for different reasons, so maybe the talk of the death of NVDA was wishful thinking on their part, hoping we’d all flock to use whatever screenreaders they have. Very cynical, I know, but I couldn’t get that thought out of my mind, that’s why I expressed it here; And no, I have no intention of being nasty to users of other screenreaders, I have simply noticed that some users of any screenreader or system, sometimes just a tiny minority, are quick to look down on anyone who doesn’t use the same thing.

However, I’m convinced that there’s plenty of life in NVDA as we discuss this: look how hard the developers are working to not only keep this screenreader alive, but also to improve it! We’re all grateful to them, I know, and I wish to add: keep up the good work! And I’m not just saying that to keep the rumour-mongers quiet, we want this excellent screenreader to keep existing for a long time to come. It may have its imperfections, every screenreader does, but it would only be worth killing off if it’s no good, and it’s exactly the opposite, an excellent way to access the Windows operating system for many blind people. Long live NVDA!

Bye for now!

From Clare



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Sent: dimanche 3 février 2019 07:32
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?



As far as I could tell, all of the people concerned were on Windows 10, not XP.



I know I'll have to shift away from 7 eventually, but hopefully not any time this year. I will when I must, but as long as the next release of NVDA will work on my Win 7 system, I'll be content.

On 3/02/2019 4:33 pm, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Those rumors were probably from who have a Windows 10 phobia. Now there are performance issues with people trying to run the latest version of NVDA on Windows XP or earlier. That is flatly stated on this and other NVDA lists and websites.



Folks, you have to move on past XP and eventually even Windows 7. I am very conservative when it comes to changing a system that works well. I had an XP system at least one of the 3 systems I own until early 2018, but I now have 2 Windows 10 systems playing perfectly with NVDA and I feel a bit better than with JAWS latest release. I still don't like JAWS identifying the Windows Explorer windows as multi select list boxes and reading every item in the displayed columns. Even with the updated scripts for Thunderbird, JAWS still seems sluggish and clunky when compared to NVDA in that program.



So there you have it--just my 2 cents.



On 2/2/2019 10:36 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

It wasn't on an NVDA skype group, just a misc one for someone's live streams where all sorts of topics come up. There were some complaints about performance issues a couple days ago, and that was where the sentiments I related were mentioned. It upset me quite a bit to hear such things...

On 3/02/2019 1:42 pm, Lino Morales wrote:

I don’t know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are you on the Skype English group? I’ve not seen any such messages about NVDA going down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner are doing a fine job down under along with the devs who are part of the NVDA add-ons community.



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Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:41:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?



Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"








Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Captcha solving services and NVDA


Hi. The one I personally use with great success is Rumola, they're very reasonably priced.

http://skipinput.com/

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 15/02/2019 10:15, Antony Stone wrote:
It would be helpful to know what "changing some settings" means, so that
others might try the same technique.


Antony.

On Friday 15 February 2019 at 11:11:06, zahra wrote:

hi.
which windows do you use?
i heard someone in iran who has windows ten, he told me that with ocr
of windows ten and changing some settings, he can solves security
codes on websites!
i installed ocr addon for nvda and did not learn what should i do to
solve these kinds of codes.

On 2/15/19, Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@ionos.com> wrote:
Hello all,

as Webvisum, at least to my knowledge, has been discontinued, I am
wondering if there are affordable captcha solving services which are
accessible with NVDA?

Anny input on this is highly appreciated.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka


Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

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There are a number of issues here. Firstly the OCR free version that nvda used, cannot recognise the wobbly font that they used to use. The next thing is that to me at least we should encourage people to report these divisive ideas as poor practice, as it can be done by careful choice of questions instead without making the site inaccessible to people with sight issues.
Lastly I see very few of the wobbly writing or dodgy incomprehensible audio kind these days, the tend to be a far more awkward issue in that a screen may say, click on the picture with a wave in it or a house with a chimney or whatever. Unless you are very lucky you stand no chance at all no matter what you do with such devices. I imagine as is said in this thread, of Cloud based OCR is got enough to read the writing, so is the spammer it has been designed to stop.
Again as in the thread about accessibility being designed in, rather than being a bolt on, this practice should never get past the thought stage on any web site that wants people to use it.
All I can offer you is that several people I know use their smart phones and Be May Eyes to solve them. its irritating and stupid but there it is.
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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Captcha solving services and NVDA


hi.
which windows do you use?
i heard someone in iran who has windows ten, he told me that with ocr
of windows ten and changing some settings, he can solves security
codes on websites!
i installed ocr addon for nvda and did not learn what should i do to
solve these kinds of codes.

On 2/15/19, Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@ionos.com> wrote:
Hello all,

as Webvisum, at least to my knowledge, has been discontinued, I am wondering
if there are affordable captcha solving services which are accessible with
NVDA?

Anny input on this is highly appreciated.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka






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by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: Competition was Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Sile
 

And then there’s the whole debate about The difference between what is technically accessible and what is practically useable. I’ve been having this debate with Microsoft for years. Even if everything conforms to current WC3 standards, for example, it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s easy to use the resulting webpage.

Sile

On Feb 15, 2019, at 4:13 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Not sure how I feel about this myself. To me there seems to be one issue nobody mentions at all. Should we not expect every company to design software so that a manufacturers accessibility tools can work with them out of the box. The problem as you state is a catch 22 one in that we have no access experts working for software companies because we have inaccessible tools to make the software with!

I think the only real reason Jaws still is around is because of attitudes of companies who need or are forced by local laws to have accessible in house software to allow them to employ disabled people.Its expensive but if they actually sent the money they spent on Jaws scripting and the program to invest in a similar thing for nvda. it would actually be cheaper for them. It would be really nice to find as well that Jenny at Microsoft had the clout to say, you cannot release this software as its not been written using Windows API.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 3:34 PM
Subject: Competition was Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


The key to this situation as many have said is self-interest. As a programming student, I have a lot of computers around my house. my personal preference is for Mac, but the college is using absolutely nothing but visual studio for Windows. The complete Monopoly of visual studio in the college is extremely frustrating to me. Microsoft, for all its vaunted accessibility spending, still builds apps the way they did in the early 2000. Accessibility continues to be an afterthought despite millions of dollars spent on artificial intelligence is that are supposed to make our lives better in the future. They haven't told us how we're supposed to pay for those brand new accessibility features, when we can't get jobs because we can't get access to visual studio features and SharePoint team site. VScode accessibility is under development on Windows, though Microsoft admits, it is currently ignoring accessibility on the Mack. as a person who wants very much to develop on Mac OS, I find Microsoft limited attention to accessibility on the Mac extremely irritating. Since accessibility on Windows is only slightly better, a part of me wishes Windows would simply implode and go away. As a systems technician formerly earning my bread cleaning up viruses and security threats, I learned to revile parts of the windows computing experience.


the days of high-cost accessibility are not nearly as far behind us as we would all like to believe. customers investing thousands of dollars each overtime had a right to feel proprietary about the products they bought, even if they never saw the money they paid in. 即日factor in the extremely preferential nature of speech synthesizers and Braille displays used for screen reader output, and the politics of screen reader manufacturers, and you had a real soup of excessive loyalties. That situation still holds true today, even though there are far fewer of those high-cost screen readers than there once were. the fact is, customers are now far more in control of what they spend, and they see much more of the money, then they did in the days of expensive screen readers.

despite the idealistic belief of many learned people who ought to know better, there is very little evidence to support the idea that competition was good for screen reader manufacturers, and evidence in abundance to support the idea that it was never good. In fact it was bad. Over the last 20 years, competition in the screen reader market has been based not on quality, performance, and features, but on exclusivity agreements, and corporate litigation. accessibility continue to be an afterthought, and only the manufacturer with the right high-level access in any given situation could develop accessibility for a given product. Wait times for accessibility to off-the-shelf products could you take years. Software developers used their products to try to freeze out hardware manufacturers.

I wish Jaws would die, because it's expensive, proprietary, unnecessary, and I revile the politics of the people who develop it. Competition between nvda and Jaws is not good for customers, and it's not good for the market. obsolescence of jaws has major ramifications for companies such as Banks using old proprietary systems, but I think it would be a mistake to feel too Sorry for those types of companies. increased adoption of nvda with the right advocacy could lead to higher employment, better education and training, and better design practices for commercial software. we are all good and valuable things, not merely for blind people, but for businesses, infrastructures, economies, and society in general.

a competition between nvda and narrator may have some positive ramifications, especially on the narrator side, but the sooner freedom scientific gets out of the way, the better.

Best,

Th
erik


On February 3, 2019 9:43:12 AM "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
here's what I don't get: Why would some users of one screen reader
actually wish for another screen reader to disappear? I can understand
when a company decides it would be somewhat cool if the competition
didn't exist. But users? Why would I, for instance, as a Mac user want
Windows to die? Wouldn't it be logical for a JAWS user to be grateful
that NVDA exists because competition improves quality?
Best,
Felix

Am So., 3. Feb. 2019 um 14:35 Uhr schrieb molly the blind tech lover
<brainardmolly@gmail.com>:

Hi.

I agree with everything you say.

I love NVDA.

I am so grateful that it exists as it has changed my life for the better. I am so grateful to all the NVDA developers and contributors.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?



Hi!

Reading this thread about the rumours of NVDA dying, I couldn’t help thinking: would I be right in guessing that the people who mentioned this don’t use NVDA themselves? Over the years I’ve come across several users of other screenreaders who look down on NVDA for different reasons, so maybe the talk of the death of NVDA was wishful thinking on their part, hoping we’d all flock to use whatever screenreaders they have. Very cynical, I know, but I couldn’t get that thought out of my mind, that’s why I expressed it here; And no, I have no intention of being nasty to users of other screenreaders, I have simply noticed that some users of any screenreader or system, sometimes just a tiny minority, are quick to look down on anyone who doesn’t use the same thing.

However, I’m convinced that there’s plenty of life in NVDA as we discuss this: look how hard the developers are working to not only keep this screenreader alive, but also to improve it! We’re all grateful to them, I know, and I wish to add: keep up the good work! And I’m not just saying that to keep the rumour-mongers quiet, we want this excellent screenreader to keep existing for a long time to come. It may have its imperfections, every screenreader does, but it would only be worth killing off if it’s no good, and it’s exactly the opposite, an excellent way to access the Windows operating system for many blind people. Long live NVDA!

Bye for now!

From Clare



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: dimanche 3 février 2019 07:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?



As far as I could tell, all of the people concerned were on Windows 10, not XP.



I know I'll have to shift away from 7 eventually, but hopefully not any time this year. I will when I must, but as long as the next release of NVDA will work on my Win 7 system, I'll be content.

On 3/02/2019 4:33 pm, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Those rumors were probably from who have a Windows 10 phobia. Now there are performance issues with people trying to run the latest version of NVDA on Windows XP or earlier. That is flatly stated on this and other NVDA lists and websites.



Folks, you have to move on past XP and eventually even Windows 7. I am very conservative when it comes to changing a system that works well. I had an XP system at least one of the 3 systems I own until early 2018, but I now have 2 Windows 10 systems playing perfectly with NVDA and I feel a bit better than with JAWS latest release. I still don't like JAWS identifying the Windows Explorer windows as multi select list boxes and reading every item in the displayed columns. Even with the updated scripts for Thunderbird, JAWS still seems sluggish and clunky when compared to NVDA in that program.



So there you have it--just my 2 cents.



On 2/2/2019 10:36 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

It wasn't on an NVDA skype group, just a misc one for someone's live streams where all sorts of topics come up. There were some complaints about performance issues a couple days ago, and that was where the sentiments I related were mentioned. It upset me quite a bit to hear such things...

On 3/02/2019 1:42 pm, Lino Morales wrote:

I don’t know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are you on the Skype English group? I’ve not seen any such messages about NVDA going down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner are doing a fine job down under along with the devs who are part of the NVDA add-ons community.



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Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.


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Graphics that contain links

Peter Beasley
 

A number of sites are now using graphics that  contain links. How do you activate these links using NVDA               ?

 

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Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hi.

I am using it fine here with Chrome 72 64bit. What version of chrome are you using?

cheers,

Mo.

On 15/02/2019 10:52, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
Hello,
Rumola is not usable any more.
At least, if you search for Rumola on Google Chrome you have a page not found, and you can't solve any captcha also if you have the addon installed.
The same thing is for Captcha Begone, the extension is not available on google chrome.
The only way I found is use an old firefox version with webvisum, just only for solving captcha.

Il 15/02/2019 11:27, Mobeen Iqbal ha scritto:
Hi. The one I personally use with great success is Rumola, they're very reasonably priced.

http://skipinput.com/

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 15/02/2019 10:15, Antony Stone wrote:
It would be helpful to know what "changing some settings" means, so that
others might try the same technique.


Antony.

On Friday 15 February 2019 at 11:11:06, zahra wrote:

hi.
which windows do you use?
i heard someone in iran who has windows ten, he told me that with ocr
of windows ten and changing some settings, he can solves security
codes on websites!
i installed ocr addon for nvda and did not learn what should i do to
solve these kinds of codes.

On 2/15/19, Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@ionos.com> wrote:
Hello all,

as Webvisum, at least to my knowledge, has been discontinued, I am
wondering if there are affordable captcha solving services which are
accessible with NVDA?

Anny input on this is highly appreciated.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka



Re: Need help with BrailleExtender

John J. Boyer
 

Hello,

The developer of BrailleExtender put in a BRF setting. I installed the develooper version, but I can't find or change
that setting. See the paragraph after the next.

I found that add-ons can be disabled or removed in the add-on manager, which is under the tools menu. Then NVDA must be
restarted. The add-on can then be enabled again oor added again.

the developer of BrailleExtender has added a brf setting, but I don't know how to handle it. I go to Input gestures >
brailleExtender then
arrow around in the tree view and find Hide/Show dots 7-8, but I can't see how to change anything. Please help!

Thanks,
John

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 07:11:43PM -0000, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Well can you not disable it?
If not how about using another copy of nvda which does not have it to just
remove it from the folder completely then reboot the nvda that had it. Most
add ons can seemingly be removed this way.
I'll await somebody to shout at me....
Brian

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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 8:04 PM
Subject: [nvda] Need help with BrailleExtender


Hello,

My first attempt to hide dots 7-8 worked, but the side effects are
unacceptable. The down arrow on the keyboard hides
oor shows the dots, but now I can't use menus, including the NVDA menus,
unless I happen to remember the letter for an
option. How do i get out of this!? BrailleExtender seems to have its own
configuration file.. Restarting NVDA doesn't
fix the problem. Neither does reloading BrailleExtender.

Thanks,
John

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The great add on readyness debate

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Just out of interest, I just downloaded the latest alpha snap, and tweaked all the manifests to show that they had been tried on the next full build and copied the bit of the initialisation log to notepad
For those interested in future proofing. Here is what the process showed for the add ons I actually have installed.

DEBUG - core.main (10:20:22.155):
Initializing global plugin handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (10:20:22.155):
Addon addonUpdater added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (10:20:22.155):
Addon applicationDictionary added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (10:20:22.155):
Addon AudioThemes3D added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (10:20:22.155):
Addon dropbox added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (10:20:22.155):
Addon fakeClipboardAnouncement added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (10:20:22.157):
Addon focusHighlight added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (10:20:22.157):
Addon goldenCursor added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (10:20:22.157):
Addon IndentNav added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (10:20:22.157):
Addon objPad added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (10:20:22.157):
Addon OpenLinkWith added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (10:20:22.157):
Addon remote added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (10:20:22.157):
Addon resourceMonitor added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (10:20:22.157):
Addon systrayList added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (10:20:22.157):
Addon textnav added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (10:20:22.157):
Addon toolbarsExplorer added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (10:20:22.213):
C:\nvda extra\userConfig\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\configuration.py:5: DeprecationWarning: Importing validate directly is deprecated. Please use configobj.validate instead
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (10:20:22.275):
C:\nvda extra\userConfig\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audioThemes\backend\unspoken\mixer.py:30: DeprecationWarning: integer argument expected, got float
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (10:20:22.282):
C:\nvda extra\userConfig\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audioThemes\__init__.py:62: DeprecationWarning: NewId() is deprecated
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (10:20:22.282):
C:\nvda extra\userConfig\addons\AudioThemes3D\globalPlugins\audioThemes\__init__.py:70: DeprecationWarning: NewId() is deprecated
DEBUG - core.main (10:20:22.438):


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Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

Simone Dal Maso
 

Hello,
Rumola is not usable any more.
At least, if you search for Rumola on Google Chrome you have a page not found, and you can't solve any captcha also if you have the addon installed.
The same thing is for Captcha Begone, the extension is not available on google chrome.
The only way I found is use an old firefox version with webvisum, just only for solving captcha.

Il 15/02/2019 11:27, Mobeen Iqbal ha scritto:
Hi. The one I personally use with great success is Rumola, they're very reasonably priced.
http://skipinput.com/
Very best wishes,
Mo.
On 15/02/2019 10:15, Antony Stone wrote:
It would be helpful to know what "changing some settings" means, so that
others might try the same technique.


Antony.

On Friday 15 February 2019 at 11:11:06, zahra wrote:

hi.
which windows do you use?
i heard someone in iran who has windows ten, he told me that with ocr
of windows ten and changing some settings, he can solves security
codes on websites!
i installed ocr addon for nvda and did not learn what should i do to
solve these kinds of codes.

On 2/15/19, Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@ionos.com> wrote:
Hello all,

as Webvisum, at least to my knowledge, has been discontinued, I am
wondering if there are affordable captcha solving services which are
accessible with NVDA?

Anny input on this is highly appreciated.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka


Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

Gene
 

I thought Rumola was no longer available.  Maybe it still is.  You can still use Webvisum.  You need an older version of Firefox.  I won't go into details here, but if you want to use an older portable version for captchas and the browser you are currently using for other browsing, I'll give you more information.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 3:58 AM
Subject: [nvda] Captcha solving services and NVDA

Hello all,

as Webvisum, at least to my knowledge, has been discontinued, I am wondering if there are affordable captcha solving services which are accessible with NVDA?

Anny input on this is highly appreciated.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka
 




Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hi. The one I personally use with great success is Rumola, they're very reasonably priced.

http://skipinput.com/

Very best wishes,

Mo.

On 15/02/2019 10:15, Antony Stone wrote:
It would be helpful to know what "changing some settings" means, so that
others might try the same technique.


Antony.

On Friday 15 February 2019 at 11:11:06, zahra wrote:

hi.
which windows do you use?
i heard someone in iran who has windows ten, he told me that with ocr
of windows ten and changing some settings, he can solves security
codes on websites!
i installed ocr addon for nvda and did not learn what should i do to
solve these kinds of codes.

On 2/15/19, Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@ionos.com> wrote:
Hello all,

as Webvisum, at least to my knowledge, has been discontinued, I am
wondering if there are affordable captcha solving services which are
accessible with NVDA?

Anny input on this is highly appreciated.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka


Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

Antony Stone
 

It would be helpful to know what "changing some settings" means, so that
others might try the same technique.


Antony.

On Friday 15 February 2019 at 11:11:06, zahra wrote:

hi.
which windows do you use?
i heard someone in iran who has windows ten, he told me that with ocr
of windows ten and changing some settings, he can solves security
codes on websites!
i installed ocr addon for nvda and did not learn what should i do to
solve these kinds of codes.

On 2/15/19, Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@ionos.com> wrote:
Hello all,

as Webvisum, at least to my knowledge, has been discontinued, I am
wondering if there are affordable captcha solving services which are
accessible with NVDA?

Anny input on this is highly appreciated.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka
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Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

 

hi.
which windows do you use?
i heard someone in iran who has windows ten, he told me that with ocr
of windows ten and changing some settings, he can solves security
codes on websites!
i installed ocr addon for nvda and did not learn what should i do to
solve these kinds of codes.

On 2/15/19, Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@ionos.com> wrote:
Hello all,

as Webvisum, at least to my knowledge, has been discontinued, I am wondering
if there are affordable captcha solving services which are accessible with
NVDA?

Anny input on this is highly appreciated.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka





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Captcha solving services and NVDA

Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...>
 

Hello all,

as Webvisum, at least to my knowledge, has been discontinued, I am wondering if there are affordable captcha solving services which are accessible with NVDA?

Anny input on this is highly appreciated.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka


Re: ITunes and NVDA

Chris
 

You need to set iTunes to column browser mode so your music shows up in a list rather than with icons

 

 

From: Ján Kulik
Sent: 15 February 2019 08:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ITunes and NVDA

 

Hi all, does anyone use your iTunes on a computer with an NVDA reader? NVDA just does not announce any offers after the ALTm slider or iTunes version information. Unfortunately, I recently installed it.

 

Thank you for your answers.

Greetings from Slovakia