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Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Antony Stone
 

I would suggest that more people click on links to arrive at a web page than
type in the address themselves.

This is how phishing attacks work - you receive a plausible-looking email
claiming to be from Amazon, eBay, your bank, an airline, etc. telling you
there's a problem with your account (or perhaps making you a special offer),
and giving you a link to click on. The site you land on looks almost
identical to the real one.

Such sites then typically invite you to log in, maybe buy something, then
present an error message, redirect you to the real site, and take your
credentials (and possibly credit card details too, if they got you to go that
far) and do whatever they want with them.

So, in my opinion, anything which disguises the real web address from users is
a very bad thing. It conceals potentially important information, and it
treats people as though they don't understand the web, which encourages people
not to understand the web and be vulnerable as a result.


Antony.

On Wednesday 12 September 2018 at 16:49:26, Brian Vogel wrote:

Tempest in a teacup. The end user is responsible for entering the web
address that they want, and that's what gets loaded.

Every modern web browser has allowed the end user to omit the www for some
years now and inserts that in most cases when necessary.

If you, for any you, aren't taking a quick look around a page after it
loads, and saying "hmmmmm?," if you're not encountering what you're used
to, the display of the address is the last issue to worry about. Just go
back to the address bar and enter the corrected address.

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Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Tempest in a teacup.   The end user is responsible for entering the web address that they want, and that's what gets loaded.

Every modern web browser has allowed the end user to omit the www for some years now and inserts that in most cases when necessary.

If you, for any you, aren't taking a quick look around a page after it loads, and saying "hmmmmm?," if you're not encountering what you're used to, the display of the address is the last issue to worry about.  Just go back to the address bar and enter the corrected address.

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Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Ervin, Glenn
 

I have done MSSE full scans and MRT scans and they find nothing.

I have never been comfortable with the third-party anti-virus programs, in fact, the state of Nebraska only uses security essentials on its computers.

 

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 5:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

No i9ssues here, I use MSE and tha'ts it. I would just do a scann and see if somethign is up. Chrome rocks.

On 9/11/2018 8:21 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

With regards to Chrome,

Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open?

After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening.

Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process.

But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens.

Thanks.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important.  The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

 

See this article:

 

Gene

Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

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Well, its a bad choice of default really for a setting that should be available in the main settings at first install.
I wonder what they were thinking?
I know that many sighted people are very cavalier about clicking and thinking later on.
The Recent Hack of British Airways was carried out by a spoof web site and some rogue javascript implanted on an insecure landing page on the BA site.
Nobody spotted it was not the connect url, and since the spoof site merely passed the data onto the real site, it took a while for it to be seen.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 4:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct


Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics. Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

See this article:
https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b

Gene

Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Gene
 

This has nothing to do with sharing data or any agreements with any other companies.  This is a matter of pandering to convenience to the point that a core security matter, the ability to see a complete address, was sacrificed to make things look better and save a tiny bit of room on the screen. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Mallard
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Oh well! They know alright! I assume they knew when they signed a secret
agreement with Mastercard... Or were they sleeping or drunk when they
signed it?


None of those corporations is clean from the point of view of user data
protection.


I think it's a matter of give and take. They give you stuff "free of
charge", but not free. You pay for their services with your data.


In Italy we say that not even dogs wag for nothing... (smile)


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 11/09/2018 20:37, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
> Well google need to be made aware, its not that bad if you know where
> you are, but a brouser with such a market share well and on so many
> devices, they better know what they are doing.
>
>
>
> On 9/12/2018 3:01 AM, Gene wrote:
>> Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this
>> article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are
>> implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down
>> the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security
>> experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed
>> to do harm, as part of their founding principles.
>>
>> See this article:
>> https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b
>>
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Mallard
 

Oh well! They know alright! I assume they knew when they signed a secret agreement with Mastercard... Or were they sleeping or drunk when they signed it?


None of those corporations is clean from the point of view of user data protection.


I think it's a matter of give and take. They give you stuff "free of charge", but not free. You pay for their services with your data.


In Italy we say that not even dogs wag for nothing... (smile)


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 11/09/2018 20:37, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
Well google need to be made aware, its not that bad if you know where you are, but a brouser with such a market share well and on so many devices, they better know what they are doing.



On 9/12/2018 3:01 AM, Gene wrote:
Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

See this article:
https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b

Gene




Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

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I am currently using superantispyware, but its quite funny on access. The installer needs screen navigation to get to the I agree button and unless you launch it from the tray, it 'forgets' to tell nvda where to put the focus, and in the latest incarnation the x you need to tick to remove unwanted software seems to have become totally invisible to nvda so you either delete all or nothing, though the cookie part seems to work.
I do wish they would test things before they put them out. Its almost right but they do not seem very helpful to free users...However who is going to pay if they are not confident about blind access?
Brian

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From: "Kwork" <istherelife@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct


I used it once, and got a false positive on something, so never used it
again. Pretty much stuck with Malwarebytes after that.

On 9/11/2018 9:16 AM, Gene wrote:
Running Malware Bytes might find something. Or, you might run an
antiadware utility. If you want to try it first, it would be a lot
faster. Its name is AdwCleaner. Others may have more information
about it. I believe it found a false positive when I tried it perhaps
a year ago so look carefully at the list of results.
Gene
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*From:* Ervin, Glenn <mailto:glenn.ervin@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:56 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to
correct

I only run Microsoft’s MRT and Security Essentials.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene
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*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to
correct

Adware. What antimalware programs do you run?

Gene

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*Subject:*Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to
correct

With regards to Chrome,

Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open?

After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close
several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening.

Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each
instance for a different process.

But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything
related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens.

Thanks.

Glenn

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<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this
article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are
implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the
product for asthetics. Let's hope the protests from security experts
and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do
harm, as part of their founding principles.

See this article:

https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b
<wlmailhtml:%7bC045F55E-C6A4-4D66-B25C-CC4F14F1006E%7dmid://00003403/!x-usc:https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b>

Gene


COLUMN AND ROW HEADINGS

Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
 

Hi List

 

This is just a bit of information for those who don’t know.

 

When one reads information on Wikipedia, NVDA repeats the row and column headers by default.  This can be annoying when trying to read tables of information in browse mode, therefore, use the following steps to switch off row and column headings in NVDA:

 

  • Press NVDA+Ctrl+D to go to the “Document and Formatting” dialog. (NVDA key = Insert, numpad 0 or Capslock depending on the setting)
  • Press Alt+E twice to go to “row and Column headings”.
  • Press the Spacebar to check or uncheck the checkbox.
  • Enter to apply this setting.

 

Kind regards

 

 

Heaven Botma

Programme Co-ordinator | Program Koördineerder

20 Adderley Street, Worcester

T 023 348 7616 F 086 415 6835

www.innovationfortheblind.org

 

Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

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I guess one has to realise, just as in Android phones, the customer is the main way they earn money, ie advertising to them and gathering data about them.
It is like many things the old, no such thing as a free lunch issue. A trade off between how much privacy and ability to stop ads you get against how much it costs.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct


With regards to Chrome,
Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open?
After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening.
Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process.
But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens.
Thanks.
Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics. Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

See this article:
https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b<wlmailhtml:%7bC045F55E-C6A4-4D66-B25C-CC4F14F1006E%7dmid://00003403/!x-usc:https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b>

Gene

Re: NVDA 2018.3rc1 espeak problem with Russian language.

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I saw this mentioned on the Espeak list. I'd imagine other languages might be the same as well. I did not fully understand the problem as you say because I do not speak the language.


I think you need to raise a ticket on nvdas gather site for this as I doubt anyone will see it here.
In the meantime, speech player in Espeak is still downloadable as an add on and is an older version of Espeak but I cannot comment on how it affects Russian obviously, but the same variants are there.
Brian

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From: "Александр Епанешников" <@erikpro>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 9:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3rc1 espeak problem with Russian language.


hello, i am from russia and i using espeak. in changelog i noticed that the synthesizer was updated. unfortunately because of the update, some words and prepositions were pronounced very strange. I can not explain it to people who do not know Russian, but it sounds unpleasant.
is it possible to not update the synthesizer in the release, or to find the source of the problem?
Sincerely, Alexander.

Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Gene
 

MSSE is an adequate program but no knowledgeable computer aedvisor says it is nearly as good at finding spyware as Malware Bytes.  If MSSE was running, as it presumably was, during the time of infection, while it might now be aware of what it wasn't before because of updated definitions, I wouldn't be confident of that.  I doubt this infection is new malware. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

No i9ssues here, I use MSE and tha'ts it. I would just do a scann and see if somethign is up. Chrome rocks.

On 9/11/2018 8:21 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

With regards to Chrome,

Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open?

After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening.

Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process.

But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens.

Thanks.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important.  The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

 

See this article:

 

Gene

Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Sarah k Alawami
 

No i9ssues here, I use MSE and tha'ts it. I would just do a scann and see if somethign is up. Chrome rocks.

On 9/11/2018 8:21 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

With regards to Chrome,

Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open?

After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening.

Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process.

But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens.

Thanks.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important.  The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

 

See this article:

 

Gene

Re: Skype and navigation, I see no headings and so on.

John Isige
 

Thanks, that helps a lot! I still don't know how to close the chat though. So I still have all the messages and the edit field and such up from when I sent a message to somebody. Can't you make that go away? Escape doesn't seem to do it and there's no close button that I can see. Also, how do you answer a call? The only method you give is setting answering to automatic, which I don't want to do.

On 9/11/2018 16:08, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi


headings are not in every part of skype only in certain sections.


to jump around the screen you will need to be in browse mode so you can
use nvda quick navigation keys.


If you are interested there is a written tutorial or a audio one that
covers the basics of skype 8 on my nvda tutorials for other programs
page. It is for the desk top version it should give you a idea of what
to expect.


The alt + 1 key and alt + 2 keys i use a lot. I mostly audio chat.


But will give you a idea of the layout.


Gene nz



On 12/09/2018 8:52 AM, John Isige wrote:
So I just installed Skype 8 because I figure I can always go back to
the app version if I don't like it. It must have had my credentials
stored from the app version because it signed me in right away after
it got done with setup. Here's the screen I see, tabbing through it.


Chats", which is tab one of four, it informs me I have no unread
notifications.


Sort by time, which is a menu. New chat, which is also a menu. Then I
get a list of chats, and if I arrow through them, it reads like this:
"person 1, button, some of the message to person 1 and if it's long
enough, if I arrow to the next line, more of the message to person 1
as a button and so on, person2 and message as a button, Etc."


Continuing with tab, a start tutorial button, A check account link,
"my info, active" which is a button, my skype username also as a
button, a "more options" menu, "search skype" which is a button, and
"use dialpad", which is also a button.


Did I do something wrong? Where are all of these headings and edit
fields and such? I looked in settings but I didn't really see anything
about appearance or accessibility or what have you. I thought maybe it
was in the list of chats, but no web commands work there either. Focus
mode makes no difference. It just doesn't seem to be a web-like
interface at all. It's certainly different from the app version, but
nothing like what I expected from people's descriptions. This is an
install of "Skype-8.30.0.50.exe", right from www.skype.com. I can
arrow around in the list of chat messages and select with the normal
Windows commands, that's nice. The window is just titled Skype but
when I alt-tab to it, it says "Skype preview document", which seems to
imply that NVDA thinks it's not your ordinary window.


I assume if I hit enter and/or space on anything labelled "button" in
the chat list it will open that specific conversation so I can see
more than just the most recent message. Yep, and in there, I get
headings for days. But I can't figure out how to close the chat,
escape didn't work, nor did ctrl-F4, and alt-F4 just closed the Skype
window, but it should still be running in the background, because I
told it to in settings. Yep, it says it's in the system tray anyway.
The duplicated messages are kind of weird, if I arrow up through the
chat it has a message, then a profile button, then the message again.


Anybody got any tips? I can navigate it but the web stuff doesn't seem
to be working, except in a specific conversation, and like I said, I
can't figure out how to close the conversation I opened. I'm sure I'll
do more dumb stuff with it later.



Re: Skype and navigation, I see no headings and so on.

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


headings are not in every part of skype only in certain sections.


to jump around the screen you will need to be in browse mode so you can
use nvda quick navigation keys.


If you are interested there is a written tutorial or a audio one that
covers the basics of skype 8 on my nvda tutorials for other programs
page. It is for the desk top version it should give you a idea of what
to expect.


The alt + 1 key and alt + 2 keys i use a lot. I mostly audio chat.


But will give you a idea of the layout.


Gene nz

On 12/09/2018 8:52 AM, John Isige wrote:
So I just installed Skype 8 because I figure I can always go back to
the app version if I don't like it. It must have had my credentials
stored from the app version because it signed me in right away after
it got done with setup. Here's the screen I see, tabbing through it.


Chats", which is tab one of four, it informs me I have no unread
notifications.


Sort by time, which is a menu. New chat, which is also a menu. Then I
get a list of chats, and if I arrow through them, it reads like this:
"person 1, button, some of the message to person 1 and if it's long
enough, if I arrow to the next line, more of the message to person 1
as a button and so on, person2 and message as a button, Etc."


Continuing with tab, a start tutorial button, A check account link,
"my info, active" which is a button, my skype username also as a
button, a "more options" menu, "search skype" which is a button, and
"use dialpad", which is also a button.


Did I do something wrong? Where are all of these headings and edit
fields and such? I looked in settings but I didn't really see anything
about appearance or accessibility or what have you. I thought maybe it
was in the list of chats, but no web commands work there either. Focus
mode makes no difference. It just doesn't seem to be a web-like
interface at all. It's certainly different from the app version, but
nothing like what I expected from people's descriptions. This is an
install of "Skype-8.30.0.50.exe", right from www.skype.com. I can
arrow around in the list of chat messages and select with the normal
Windows commands, that's nice. The window is just titled Skype but
when I alt-tab to it, it says "Skype preview document", which seems to
imply that NVDA thinks it's not your ordinary window.


I assume if I hit enter and/or space on anything labelled "button" in
the chat list it will open that specific conversation so I can see
more than just the most recent message. Yep, and in there, I get
headings for days. But I can't figure out how to close the chat,
escape didn't work, nor did ctrl-F4, and alt-F4 just closed the Skype
window, but it should still be running in the background, because I
told it to in settings. Yep, it says it's in the system tray anyway.
The duplicated messages are kind of weird, if I arrow up through the
chat it has a message, then a profile button, then the message again.


Anybody got any tips? I can navigate it but the web stuff doesn't seem
to be working, except in a specific conversation, and like I said, I
can't figure out how to close the conversation I opened. I'm sure I'll
do more dumb stuff with it later.



Skype and navigation, I see no headings and so on.

John Isige
 

So I just installed Skype 8 because I figure I can always go back to the app version if I don't like it. It must have had my credentials stored from the app version because it signed me in right away after it got done with setup. Here's the screen I see, tabbing through it.


Chats", which is tab one of four, it informs me I have no unread notifications.


Sort by time, which is a menu. New chat, which is also a menu. Then I get a list of chats, and if I arrow through them, it reads like this: "person 1, button, some of the message to person 1 and if it's long enough, if I arrow to the next line, more of the message to person 1 as a button and so on, person2 and message as a button, Etc."


Continuing with tab, a start tutorial button, A check account link, "my info, active" which is a button, my skype username also as a button, a "more options" menu, "search skype" which is a button, and "use dialpad", which is also a button.


Did I do something wrong? Where are all of these headings and edit fields and such? I looked in settings but I didn't really see anything about appearance or accessibility or what have you. I thought maybe it was in the list of chats, but no web commands work there either. Focus mode makes no difference. It just doesn't seem to be a web-like interface at all. It's certainly different from the app version, but nothing like what I expected from people's descriptions. This is an install of "Skype-8.30.0.50.exe", right from www.skype.com. I can arrow around in the list of chat messages and select with the normal Windows commands, that's nice. The window is just titled Skype but when I alt-tab to it, it says "Skype preview document", which seems to imply that NVDA thinks it's not your ordinary window.


I assume if I hit enter and/or space on anything labelled "button" in the chat list it will open that specific conversation so I can see more than just the most recent message. Yep, and in there, I get headings for days. But I can't figure out how to close the chat, escape didn't work, nor did ctrl-F4, and alt-F4 just closed the Skype window, but it should still be running in the background, because I told it to in settings. Yep, it says it's in the system tray anyway. The duplicated messages are kind of weird, if I arrow up through the chat it has a message, then a profile button, then the message again.


Anybody got any tips? I can navigate it but the web stuff doesn't seem to be working, except in a specific conversation, and like I said, I can't figure out how to close the conversation I opened. I'm sure I'll do more dumb stuff with it later.

NVDA 2018.3rc1 espeak problem with Russian language.

 

hello, i am from russia and i using espeak. in changelog i noticed that the synthesizer was updated. unfortunately because of the update, some words and prepositions were pronounced very strange. I can not explain it to people who do not know Russian, but it sounds unpleasant.
is it possible to not update the synthesizer in the release, or to find the source of the problem?
Sincerely, Alexander.

Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Gene
 

They are aware.  If the story is in the popular press, they knew about it before it was covered there.  If people want to complain to Google about the feature, it may make them more likely to do something about the problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Well google need to be made aware, its not that bad if you know where
you are, but a brouser with such a market share well and on so many
devices, they better know what they are doing.



On 9/12/2018 3:01 AM, Gene wrote:
> Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important.  The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.
>
> See this article:
> https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>


Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Well google need to be made aware, its not that bad if you know where you are, but a brouser with such a market share well and on so many devices, they better know what they are doing.

On 9/12/2018 3:01 AM, Gene wrote:
Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics. Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

See this article:
https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b

Gene


Re: Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

 

Well and there is my issue, to be honest, its probably just that bit more anoying because skype is not my main business mainstay.

Skype7 keeps asking me to update it even with settings changed.

Right now I just won't use skype till it becomes accessible, stable, or I need it.

That does mean I will have  to turn down some international business but so what.

Its not that hard for me to boykot skype and so I will before I get started on it again.

I want a stable, accessible and usable skype, skype classic is that version.

I barely needed it and if I am going to start needing it as a matter of a job I need to know it will continue to work.

On 9/12/2018 1:32 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
And yet they are saying they are not stopping supporting it in a press release some days back. Do the left and right hand know what they are doing I wonder.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.


To be honest as part of a possible job I tried to get my head around the skype 8 interface, but I never know where I am and to be honest its a large kludge of buttons.

I really think microsoft just needs to have a way we can use the skype classic interface in skype 8 to be honest either that or just leave 7 always up.

The download link for 7 has gone from their website but oh well.



On 9/11/2018 10:04 AM, John Isige wrote:
Hey all. Ran into something today for the first time. I was in a call with somebody and wanted to send them a link in a chat. Skype kept telling me that call controls were shown. There was an option to hide the chat, but no way that I could tell to get into the area where I could type a message. Tabbing through the buttons there was an area where NVDA read nothing and I thought that might be it, but it turned out not to be. So how do I get to where I can type/send a link in a chat to the person I'm in a call with? I checked the hotkeys and I don't see anything that immediately jumps out at me as relevant. Please note, this is Skype for Windows 10, not Skype 8.


Funnily enough I was trying to send them a link to the NVDA basic training. I ended up emailing them instead which was good because I sent them a bunch of other links too. Still, I'd like to know how to be able to do that when in a call. I assume it's possible. There are also other functions, e.g. sending a file, that I couldn't get to either, e.g. with tab. The set of controls on the screen was pretty limited.






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Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Kwork
 

I used it once, and got a false positive on something, so never used it again. Pretty much stuck with Malwarebytes after that.

On 9/11/2018 9:16 AM, Gene wrote:
Running Malware Bytes might find something.  Or, you might run an antiadware utility.  If you want to try it first, it would be a lot faster.  Its name is AdwCleaner.  Others may have more information about it.  I believe it found a false positive when I tried it perhaps a year ago so look carefully at the list of results.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

I only run Microsoft’s MRT and Security Essentials.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Adware.  What antimalware programs do you run?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

With regards to Chrome,

Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open?

After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening.

Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process.

But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens.

Thanks.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important.  The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

 

See this article:

 

Gene