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Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Dale Leavens
 

This is known as “Fake News”.


It may be motivated by a number of factors. Perhaps sales at Jaws are down. There are probably share holders with reduced profits, there will be a large number of employees and distributers and even some script writers with incomes at risk. Usually just follow the money but there may be other motivations for propagating false information.

Cheers and hopefully the traffic on this can stop.

Dale Leavens

On Feb 3, 2019, at 5:59 AM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi.
I'm really glad NVDA is not dying. I don't think people should make
statements such as this without evidence to back up their claim.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Also of course the purpose of the recently created survey page on what you
think important to work on is hardly the thing any dying project will do is
it?
Note the earlier posts in this thread cam in after the last, so If I have
repeated myself sorry.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


Also, consider what logic and common sense lead to as conclusions. If NVDA
were declining in the ways claimed, you would see a lot of discussion and
complaints on this list from users.

I'm not assuming that these people don't have performance issues, but if
that were the experience of most users, we'd hear a lot about it on a list
devoted to discussing NVDA.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 11:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


And don't forget Joseph Lee; he's not exactly chopped liver either. I mean,

I hear so many rumors particularly on the blind lists.


For example, when Window-Eyes or G. W. Micro allied with Microsoft to offer
the software free with a purchase of an office product, the blind lists were

going wild about the end of Freedom Scientific/VFO. It turns out that this
was not true. Longer ago than that rumor, we heard that Microsoft was going

to get rid of most native Windows shortcut keystrokes: control + shift + N
for folder creation; alt + Tab for moving from open window to open window
and so on--which would have rendered many navigational aids with screen
readers problematic and of course this never happened.




When you start seeing a lack of releases and a lack of updates on the NVDA
pages for both basic release and add ons, then you might have something to
worry about. Until then, sleep peacefully.




On 2/2/2019 9:42 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

I don't know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are you on
the Skype English group? I've not seen any such messages about NVDA going
down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner are doing a fine
job down under along with the devs who are part of the NVDA add-ons
community.



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Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:41:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.





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Re: Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.

 

hello.
i heard somewhere that key for activating reader view is changed to f9.
but i wish to know which key i should i use in firefox 52?
i really dont want and cant use newer versions of firefox.
how can i use this great feature in firefox 52?
also, should i check Automatic Say All on page load in brows mode?
thanks for your help, God bless you!

On 1/27/19, Desert Moon via Groups.Io
<desert.moon=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Jeff,

his feature in Firefox may interest you:

Reader View is a Firefox feature that strips away clutter like buttons, ads
and background images, and changes the page's text size, contrast and layout
for better readability. Reader View settings are easily customizable to fit
your reading preferences.

Press F9. If supported, the webpage will change to Reader View and NVDA will
start Say All. Press F9 again and the default layout of the webpage will
come back. Then, you can expolre other features and elements on that page.

--
Desert




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in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: web page clickables

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hmm, I think also they are deemed to be clickable when nvda detects some underlying code on the page that is obviously supposed to do something but the writer either never bothered to indicate what or did not care. I have found that some of these actually open invisible ie invisible to nvda, areas on or over a page with data in them. Its abit like on mouse up down left right hover things that seldom seem to work for us.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] web page clickables


These are elements which perform an action when you press enter on it. But they perform only an action if the developer of the website intended it to do so. Sometimes there are clickable elements which don’t do anything if you press enter on them.



Best

Adriani







Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Februar 2019 12:07
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] web page clickables



What exactly is this and how do I access it ?



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Re: Tutorial requirement

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Audio or text? I think the textual teaching aids are paid for products.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Meet modi" <meetmodi2359@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 10:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] Tutorial requirement


Hae Dear NVDA users i won't the tutorial of NVDA and also need Tutorial of
review cursor.
if possible so provide me source and website of tutorial.



Re: web page clickables

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Thanks.

 

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From: Adriani Botez
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web page clickables

 

These are elements which perform an action when you press enter on it. But they perform only an action if the developer of the website intended it to do so. Sometimes there are clickable elements which don’t do anything if you press enter on them.

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Februar 2019 12:07
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] web page clickables

 

What exactly is this and how do I access it                             ?

 

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Re: web page clickables

Adriani Botez
 

These are elements which perform an action when you press enter on it. But they perform only an action if the developer of the website intended it to do so. Sometimes there are clickable elements which don’t do anything if you press enter on them.

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Februar 2019 12:07
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] web page clickables

 

What exactly is this and how do I access it                             ?

 

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web page clickables

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

What exactly is this and how do I access it                             ?

 

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office 365 excel

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I just installed this last night. When I tried to edit a formula by pressing f2 on the cell NVDA did not read what was there though narrator did. Is there something I forgot to do?

 

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Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.
I'm really glad NVDA is not dying. I don't think people should make
statements such as this without evidence to back up their claim.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Also of course the purpose of the recently created survey page on what you
think important to work on is hardly the thing any dying project will do is
it?
Note the earlier posts in this thread cam in after the last, so If I have
repeated myself sorry.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


Also, consider what logic and common sense lead to as conclusions. If NVDA
were declining in the ways claimed, you would see a lot of discussion and
complaints on this list from users.

I'm not assuming that these people don't have performance issues, but if
that were the experience of most users, we'd hear a lot about it on a list
devoted to discussing NVDA.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 11:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


And don't forget Joseph Lee; he's not exactly chopped liver either. I mean,

I hear so many rumors particularly on the blind lists.


For example, when Window-Eyes or G. W. Micro allied with Microsoft to offer
the software free with a purchase of an office product, the blind lists were

going wild about the end of Freedom Scientific/VFO. It turns out that this
was not true. Longer ago than that rumor, we heard that Microsoft was going

to get rid of most native Windows shortcut keystrokes: control + shift + N
for folder creation; alt + Tab for moving from open window to open window
and so on--which would have rendered many navigational aids with screen
readers problematic and of course this never happened.




When you start seeing a lack of releases and a lack of updates on the NVDA
pages for both basic release and add ons, then you might have something to
worry about. Until then, sleep peacefully.




On 2/2/2019 9:42 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

I don't know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are you on
the Skype English group? I've not seen any such messages about NVDA going
down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner are doing a fine
job down under along with the devs who are part of the NVDA add-ons
community.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sharni-Lee
Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:41:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.





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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: fast browse mode

Felix G.
 

Hi,
have you reported it?
Best,
Felix

Am So., 3. Feb. 2019 um 11:28 Uhr schrieb Brian's Mail list account
via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>:


That is fair, but I think the tiny bug I mention is probably fixable.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fast browse mode


Hi,
I second that. NVDA 2019.1 without fast browse mode would just be
incomplete, especially given the fact it can be turned off at any
time. To me this means there's less risk in its inclusion than in its
omission.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 3. Feb. 2019 um 03:02 Uhr schrieb Josh Kennedy
<joshknnd1982@gmail.com>:

Hi,



I hope fast browse mode becomes a part of NVDA soon. NVDA 2018.4.1 jumps
around a lot on websites and sometimes it is nearly impossible to read
even a simple web article.



Josh





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Re: fast browse mode

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

That is fair, but I think the tiny bug I mention is probably fixable.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] fast browse mode


Hi,
I second that. NVDA 2019.1 without fast browse mode would just be
incomplete, especially given the fact it can be turned off at any
time. To me this means there's less risk in its inclusion than in its
omission.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 3. Feb. 2019 um 03:02 Uhr schrieb Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com>:

Hi,



I hope fast browse mode becomes a part of NVDA soon. NVDA 2018.4.1 jumps around a lot on websites and sometimes it is nearly impossible to read even a simple web article.



Josh





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Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Also of course the purpose of the recently created survey page on what you think important to work on is hardly the thing any dying project will do is it?
Note the earlier posts in this thread cam in after the last, so If I have repeated myself sorry.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


Also, consider what logic and common sense lead to as conclusions. If NVDA were declining in the ways claimed, you would see a lot of discussion and complaints on this list from users.

I'm not assuming that these people don't have performance issues, but if that were the experience of most users, we'd hear a lot about it on a list devoted to discussing NVDA.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 11:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


And don't forget Joseph Lee; he's not exactly chopped liver either. I mean, I hear so many rumors particularly on the blind lists.


For example, when Window-Eyes or G. W. Micro allied with Microsoft to offer the software free with a purchase of an office product, the blind lists were going wild about the end of Freedom Scientific/VFO. It turns out that this was not true. Longer ago than that rumor, we heard that Microsoft was going to get rid of most native Windows shortcut keystrokes: control + shift + N for folder creation; alt + Tab for moving from open window to open window and so on--which would have rendered many navigational aids with screen readers problematic and of course this never happened.




When you start seeing a lack of releases and a lack of updates on the NVDA pages for both basic release and add ons, then you might have something to worry about. Until then, sleep peacefully.




On 2/2/2019 9:42 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

I don’t know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are you on the Skype English group? I’ve not seen any such messages about NVDA going down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner are doing a fine job down under along with the devs who are part of the NVDA add-ons community.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:41:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.





--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

That is a very odd statement since we all know that xp has a version which is still up if people want it. Nobody is making software for xp and so its hardly surprising its not going to work there, is it?
I still have xp and yes windows 7, and I'm unashamed to state why, but this is not a topic for here.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


Those rumors were probably from who have a Windows 10 phobia. Now there
are performance issues with people trying to run the latest version of
NVDA on Windows XP or earlier. That is flatly stated on this and other
NVDA lists and websites.


Folks, you have to move on past XP and eventually even Windows 7. I am
very conservative when it comes to changing a system that works well. I
had an XP system at least one of the 3 systems I own until early 2018,
but I now have 2 Windows 10 systems playing perfectly with NVDA and I
feel a bit better than with JAWS latest release. I still don't like
JAWS identifying the Windows Explorer windows as multi select list boxes
and reading every item in the displayed columns. Even with the updated
scripts for Thunderbird, JAWS still seems sluggish and clunky when
compared to NVDA in that program.


So there you have it--just my 2 cents.


On 2/2/2019 10:36 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

It wasn't on an NVDA skype group, just a misc one for someone's live
streams where all sorts of topics come up. There were some complaints
about performance issues a couple days ago, and that was where the
sentiments I related were mentioned. It upset me quite a bit to hear
such things...

On 3/02/2019 1:42 pm, Lino Morales wrote:

I don’t know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are
you on the Skype English group? I’ve not seen any such messages about
NVDA going down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner
are doing a fine job down under along with the devs who are part of
the NVDA add-ons community.

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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of
Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:41:06 PM
*To:* nvda@groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?
Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.



--
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

If you are a ten user, hedge your bets and look at Narrator, but really I think its just insecurity talking here.
We are all dependent to some extent on tech these days, and it would be much better if real companies designed software from the ground up for access and if they all employed screenreader people to develop operating system based readers and refused to allow uncertified software from running. That would make software writers sit up and take some notice. not to mention web site builders.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


It wasn't on an NVDA skype group, just a misc one for someone's live streams where all sorts of topics come up. There were some complaints about performance issues a couple days ago, and that was where the sentiments I related were mentioned. It upset me quite a bit to hear such things...

On 3/02/2019 1:42 pm, Lino Morales wrote:

I don’t know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are you on the Skype English group? I’ve not seen any such messages about NVDA going down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner are doing a fine job down under along with the devs who are part of the NVDA add-ons community.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com><mailto:sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:41:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io<mailto:nvda@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I had somebody extolling the new 'cheap' price of Jaws the other day, No its not cheap its a bit like Office, you kind of rent it. At present at least you do not lose the ability to use what you have with Jaws, but for how long with cloud systems trying to take over. I mean your mobile phone and tablet probably already do use the cloud, if you had to pay for this and it was taken away if you did not pay, like Netflix or whatever, or your access to your music? What then?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sky Mundell" <skyt@shaw.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


Yes I would feel that way as well. It seemed like those people wanted nvda dead right?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 7:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?



There were like five people or more agreeing with each other about this, some of whom I consider friends and who I believed to be honest people. So when they were saying stuff like this I got anxious...

On 3/02/2019 2:42 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 09:46 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

crying doom and saying Jaws was performing better than NVDA.

And? There have been times where either one was generally more responsive than the other, and there are still specific tasks where one is more responsive than the other. Tis' part and parcel of complex software like a screen reader.

Given the nature of NVDA, I doubt they'd disappear without a long (and public) fight first. This strikes me very much in the same vein as Mark Twain's observations regarding rumors of his death: "Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."

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I certainly agree. To fix the whole accessibility problem we need to go down to the roots of the problem. It should not be the job of screen reader companies to make their screen readers work with a piece of software or a website, it should be the software or website developers who need to make sure that their software/website is accessible for people who relied on screen readers.


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OK subject drift a little here, but yes. One needs I think, with tech not to be a mere user, you at least need a grounding in the way stuff works. Its the only way you stand a chance of diagnosing an issue. You also need a logical mind. build a little flow chart in your minds eye and then you can make educated guesses as to where a problem may be. Only alter one thing at a time, if it does not help put it back as it was etc.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


Sadly, thats just some ignorant people being the helpless blind type
thing<grin>

Actually this stuff goes on more than the blind.

There are some people that assume to much even in organisations.

X software is cheaper than y software which is better but we are the
bosses and the techs don't know what they are talking about.

I had an admin of a large educational institute who has since left now.

THe institute switched from government control to its own control under
a new educational union itself under its own control.

There were a lot of people to comfortable with their positions thats
probably changed, anyway, they were happy rubber stamping anything and
as long as the price was good or they would have an advantage from it
then it worked.

I was told of things like repairs that were cheap to computers to well
software not secure but that was cheap so it was brought, and that no
one seem to read up on things before jumping in.

You can actually be totally fine in this day and age being a helpless
retard, blind or not.

But if it screws up then you are the headless chicken.

Sadly there are a lot of people, blind, disabled, sightlings that are
that way, its probably human nature, I even have family like this so I
should know.

Even those that are smart my only conclusion, is that even if you are
smart there is a certain type of smarts to use a computer effectively,
and a lot of probably don't have it, or at least not all we should.

I have it but I know I do lack in some places.

My father is partly this way, smart enough but never reads more than
half a screen.

A simple task may have him on the other side of the net, not knowing
where he went and or how he got there.



On 3/02/2019 4:50 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

There were like five people or more agreeing with each other about
this, some of whom I consider friends and who I believed to be honest
people. So when they were saying stuff like this I got anxious...

On 3/02/2019 2:42 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 09:46 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

crying doom and saying Jaws was performing better than NVDA.

And? There have been times where either one was generally more
responsive than the other, and there are still specific tasks where
one is more responsive than the other. Tis' part and parcel of
complex software like a screen reader.

Given the nature of NVDA, I doubt they'd disappear without a long
(and public) fight first. This strikes me very much in the same vein
as Mark Twain's observations regarding rumors of his death: "Reports
of my death are greatly exaggerated."

--

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need for illusion is deep./*

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Why not ask those who should know if you are worried they are not hiding away. Everything in life has a time and no time last forever, but at the moment its still ongoing. One also has to remember burn out and those who need the money. However, the main part of the accessible problem today is not nvda, its the software and web site builders who have no knowledge of access needs nor do many companies care.
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There were like five people or more agreeing with each other about this, some of whom I consider friends and who I believed to be honest people. So when they were saying stuff like this I got anxious...

On 3/02/2019 2:42 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 09:46 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
crying doom and saying Jaws was performing better than NVDA.
And? There have been times where either one was generally more responsive than the other, and there are still specific tasks where one is more responsive than the other. Tis' part and parcel of complex software like a screen reader.

Given the nature of NVDA, I doubt they'd disappear without a long (and public) fight first. This strikes me very much in the same vein as Mark Twain's observations regarding rumors of his death: "Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."

--

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back









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Those are some very good points, I must say. The fact that NVDA has a new release every few months means that it can more easily cope with the 6-month release cycle of Windows b10.


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Yes it will.
I'm not sure about the Python 3 versions, but unless some show stopper comes up, there should not be too much problem. Official 7 support from Microsoft ends next year, but I can and do still use windows 7 and I even have an old version of Office XP here with all updates till end of life and NVDA still worksheet that and of course with this email client called Outlook Express. After all the code for an app module like this one is minimal and so there seems no reason to stop it working since there are so many people using it with the third party patch. Not so good on 10, but I guess everything has its day. If Microsoft would stop messing with Outlook and let the access companies fix the issues, I'd switch over but the free offering in 10 is lame by feature standards and Tbird is not as easy to use for people with several accounts.
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Is 2019.1 still going to be compatible with Windows 7? Because I'm still using Win 7 on my current computer.


It's really wonderful to hear some more hopeful/positive words on this topic. I've been hearing that NVDA is lagging on the systems of the people in this Skype group and they were crying doom and saying Jaws was performing better than NVDA.

On 3/02/2019 1:21 pm, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:

Well Said. NVDA certainly doesn't seem to be dying. That's the beauty of a community led and open source project. You should see some of the complaints I've seen on groups recently about jaws 2019. that's a commercial product and people are downgrading to jaws 2018 because that worked better for them, despite all the supposed improvements. Many people I know are switching from jaws to NVDA because it works much better for them, both in a business and home environment. No screen reader is perfect. But accessibility has come a really long way and long may NVDA continue to thrive.


Mo.


On 03/02/2019 02:10, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
I totally disagree. NVDA has been great, and will continue to be great. I believe 2019.1 is due soon and I believe it fixes the problem I'm having with Excel.
You don't really need a professional developer for NVDA to be great, you just need community effort.
I know I haven't use NVDA much on my desktop, but that's just because I'm too lazy to upgrade to Windows 10. Right now I decided to just waited out until I can get a new desktop that already comes Windows 10.