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Re: NVDA hotkey for toast menus

Nimer Jaber
 

Yes, you are correct. I guess I use Windows+a because the action center doesn't lose notifications, and if you miss the notification with Windows+shift+v then you may not see the toast.

Thanks.


On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:39 AM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Actually, it is Windows+Shift+V, although Windows+A will open Action Center and present past notifications.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 3:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Group Moderators <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA hotkey for toast menus

 

Windows a

 

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 04:38 bob jutzi <jutzi@... wrote:

Since Windows-V is now used by the new Cloud Clipboard, what is the hotkey for accessing toast notifications like those displayed when connecting flash drives?

 



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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi everyone,
I hope the following post clarifies a few things discussed on this thread:
* Screen readers and mouse: although both act almost the same, JAWS and NVDA
uses different techniques to let you see what's under the mouse, and for
that matter, accessing certain screen elements. Until recently NVDA had a
slight advantage in mouse navigation and announcing what's under the screen
(including announcing coordinates with beeps), but JAWS caught up with NVDA
since 2018. Announcing what's under the mouse has improved slightly in
recent versions of NVDA.
* Visualized cursor tracking: yes, both JAWS and NVDA can do this - built
into JAWS since 2018 thanks to ideas from ZoomText, requires an add-on for
NVDA, although there is a research project to integrate this and other
vision related features into NVDA.
* Feature comparisons versus bashing: to me, it depends on wording and how
the reader understood a poster's intent. Although there were initial
misunderstandings, I view Steve's post to be a genuine attempt at feature
comparisons.
* Biased or unbiased: again it depends on how one views messages. In this
case, to be clear, I think Brian V's post should be considered an answer to
the question posed (cursor tracking) from another perspective, or rather, a
visual confirmation of what some people are saying (yes, this also means
this could be considered a biased opinion, but to me, I consider it an
informative answer).
* JAWS cursor versus Golden Cursor: the intention behind JAWS cursor is to
let you interact with screen elements as though you are moving a mouse,
similar in concept to how screen review works in certain situations (when
you need to review certain areas that you can't easily with keyboard
commands). The closest equivalent after screen review in NVDA world is
Golden Cursor add-on (under maintenance at the moment), and that add-on does
physically6 (in terms of screen coordinates) moves the mouse pointer.

Overall feelings (not just this topic, but more recent ones as well):
* Level of familiarity: I think we should remember that not everyone is an
NVDA expert or a novice user.
* Source statement verification: whenever you come across a statement, I
think it'd be best to verify who said it and when so we won't get thrown
into confusion over misinformation. For example, when we talk about feature
comparisons, clarifying which version of one screen reader one is comparing
against may help folks pinpoint specifics without hunting for more accurate
statements, as we've seen from time to time (I myself have fallen to that
trap before, and I tend to take source verification seriously since I am a
member of this forum (a former moderator, in fact) and is an owner of
multiple lists).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 6:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true. Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.


Re: Problems With NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I'm sorry, but I *must* take issue with your statement that firefox doesn't take more ram than chrome. (I can't speak to inernet explorer, having never used it), but it's easy to go into your process list on your computer, and watch both the cpu usage and the ram used when programs are running, and every time I've done this (not that I've done it ever on my own machine, because I refuse to load firefox on my machines), I've seen a significant difference between firefox and chrome when it comes both to cpu and ram usage. Personal experience, even on other operating systems other than windows has proven to me that firefox eats way more cpu than chrome, which honestly isn't surprising, since firefox was designed from the beginning to run on regular pcs, and chrome was initially designed to run on tablets, at a time when ram was a precious comodity. From my own personal observations, and (if you look), various forums, it's easily verifyable that firefox and chrome are vastly different when it comes to cpu and memory usage, so don't make the claim that tfirefox doesn't use more memory than chrome, because that my friend is a blatent false hood.

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019, Gene wrote:

At this point, however, there is no reason to believe memory has anything to
do with the problem.  Firefox and Internet Explorer don't use more memory
than Chrome.  If memory were that scarce, that running a different browser,
even if it used a little more, would cause problems, then you would have
lots of problems with other programs because you would be on the verge of
running out of RAM in general.  RAM is one of the most misunderstood
components of computers and it is blamed often for problems that have
nothing to do with RAM.  You can see how much RAM is being used if you want
to see if it is the problem.  I don't know what version of Windows is being
used so I won't describe how. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----


Re: Problems With NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

It doesn't matter what os you're talking about, sd cards do not provide ram. Ram is the space where actively executing programs live. This only happens in RAM. Sd cards provide storage, this is where saved programs, data for applications, and other downlaoded content such as music files reside. Too often these days, memory is used interchangeably with storage, and that
is missleading at best, and downright dangerous at worst when someone thinks they have more memory than they do, and run a program thinking it will work because they have so much memory, only to find out that the device crashes because it's overtaxed and the memory is full. Don't make the mistake of confusing memory with storage, they're completely separate items, and the computer industry isn't doing anybody any favors by referring to both as if they were the same thing.

On Thu, 14 Feb 2019, Brian K. Lingard wrote:

Dear Ibrahim Ajayi && List:
Some Android telephones can increase their working RAM with an SD card, however, if your computer is a laptop, the SD card will normally only provide storage for files, not increase the working RAM.

To upgrade the RAM,, you need to first check with the laptop maker as to the maximum RAM it Can address. Then review your RAM chips, often in a compartment under the laptop. If all slots are full, you need to replace the presently installed RAM with larger RAM chips. You unclip the present Rams, set them aside, and plug in the new RAM. Upon power-up,, the PC will be using the new RAM which should make programs run a bit faster ESPECIALLY IF several are running at once or you are editing huge files, such as audio recordings.
I trust this explains the difference between what an SD card and RAM chips will do to the laptop.
Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi,
No - NonVisual Desktop Access. I'll provide sort of a clarification message
soon regarding this discussion.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 6:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, I do not think there are any visual enhancements in nvda. The name
itself says it; Non visual display access.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-14-19 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true. Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.


Re: NVDA hotkey for toast menus

 

Hi,

Actually, it is Windows+Shift+V, although Windows+A will open Action Center and present past notifications.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 3:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Group Moderators <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA hotkey for toast menus

 

Windows a

 

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 04:38 bob jutzi <jutzi@... wrote:

Since Windows-V is now used by the new Cloud Clipboard, what is the hotkey for accessing toast notifications like those displayed when connecting flash drives?

 


Re: is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

Chris Shook
 

I don't think it can.
I haven't seen anything with the tutorian that would allow it to do that.
There was an old screen reader called System Access that had this feature, but they stopped making any advancements with it a few years ago. Now they're just maintaining it, so would not recommend buying it.


Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Tony Malykh
 

Hi Brian,

Thank you for your response. I am using Outlook 16 as well.

Actually, I was playing with Outlook more, and I have one more question for you. Is there a way to stop threads from auto expanding when you arrow down or up through them? This was I believe the most annoying feature that I couldn't turn off by myself. Because if all the threads auto-expand on you, it kind of defies the whole purpose of collapsing them in the first place.

It's good to know about two-step expand, I will keep it in mind. As for conversation settings menu, I believe I was  aware of it, still I couldn't configure Outlook to my liking - see my point above.

Thanks!

Tony



On 2/13/2019 2:19 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Tony,

            In regard to your biggest complaint, I may have an answer, or something that can help.  Outlook 2016, in default mode, has a 2-step expand for a conversation when it's collapsed, and it's meant to be a convenience but I can see how it might not be.  If you're on a collapsed conversation and right arrow once to expand it, the first level expansion will only show messages in the conversation that originated from a sender or senders other than you.  Your own responses are not included in level one expansion.  If you hit right arrow twice, the conversation is fully expanded with your own responses (which are actually in the Sent folder) shown embedded in their correct place(s) in the conversation.  In level two (full) expansion up and down arrows behave as you think they should.

             You may also find that tweaking the Conversation Settings may get you the results you wish, but I'm not sure what combination would suit you best.  That's for you to play with.  To change conversation view:
  1. ALT+V,CS   (View Ribbon, Conversation Settings)
  2. There are 4 options under here, each of which is a toggle, and I'll give the letter you'd hit to change the state (and the default state):
                    S Show messages from other folders [and see my note above about level 2 expansion]   Default:  ON
                    A Show senders above the subject     Default:  ON
                    X Always expand selected conversation    Default OFF    Note well - it's a selected conversation, not one you happen to be arrowing up or down over
                    I  Use classic indented view



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Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Robert Geoffroy
 

Hi, everyone,

Do any of you know which language dictionaries are accessible with NVDA, maybe with add-ons? I don’t speak of on-line dictionaries! I’m looking for French-English, English-French dictionaries, English-German and German-English ones too.

I use “Le Robert & Collins” (2.2.0.5) but it isn’t fully accessible.

Well, have you any ideas about that? Thanks!

Robert


Re: Upgrading Microsoft Word

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

You can buy from softwarekeep.com

Do a google search for Microsoft word

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Abbie Taylor
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Upgrading Microsoft Word

 

Is that $40.00 per month? Thanks.
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Re: is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

 

And it wouldn't that hard to do, based on the Golden Cursor add-on, for example.
It'd be just a matter of adjusting things properly.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 14/02/2019 14:33, Mallard escreveu:

I'm afraid they haven't broght it to NVDA. I wonder why though.


I know it was there in Jaws, and I suppose it still is, though I haven't seen a Jaws version afer 2009.


We ahve it in Android, with both Sunshine and TalkBack.


Pity there isn't even an add-on that does that in NVDA!

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 14/02/2019 16:39, marcio via Groups.Io ha scritto:
I'm not aware of such a feature in NVDA.
It would be pretty good, though. Someone may have already done the request regarding it, so let's hope this is an option coming soon ;)
Just out of curiosity, what's the program/app name?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 14/02/2019 13:21, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hey guys, molly here again.

Is there a way to label unlabeled buttons with NVDA? I downloaded an app and when I swipe using the touchscreen or navigate with the keyboard NVDA just says button, button.the app is a collection of text adventure games.  and while the game’s are accessible, the titles of the games in the games library  aren’t labeled.

Any help will be greatly appreciated 😊

Thanks.

Molly









Re: how do i get my NVDA to read PowerPoints

Angelo Sonnesso
 

What the heck does this have to do with Power Point.
It is not that hard to change the subject.

73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints

No firefox has its own viewer.

Though I would usually set it all to open with adobe dc otherwise things could have issues.

I have actually always set in waterfox and firefox to save the pdfs so you can open them later.



On 14/02/2019 11:10 AM, Chris Shook wrote:
Can all web brousers automatically open PDF's or is that just with
GoogleChrome and Microsoft Edge?



.


OCR and pdfs

Dan Beaver
 

HI,


I have a pdf that I really need to ocr.  I am trying to use the Windows ocr via nvda+r.   It says it is running the ocr but it comes back with nothing.  I know the page of the pdf has text so I am confused about why it isn't OCR ing the thing.


Any ideas?


Thanks.


-- 
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Re: is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

molly the blind tech lover
 

Maybe they will 😀

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 11:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

I'm afraid they haven't broght it to NVDA. I wonder why though.


I know it was there in Jaws, and I suppose it still is, though I haven't seen a Jaws version afer 2009.


We ahve it in Android, with both Sunshine and TalkBack.


Pity there isn't even an add-on that does that in NVDA!

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 14/02/2019 16:39, marcio via Groups.Io ha scritto:
I'm not aware of such a feature in NVDA.
It would be pretty good, though. Someone may have already done the
request regarding it, so let's hope this is an option coming soon ;)
Just out of curiosity, what's the program/app name?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 14/02/2019 13:21, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hey guys, molly here again.

Is there a way to label unlabeled buttons with NVDA? I downloaded an
app and when I swipe using the touchscreen or navigate with the
keyboard NVDA just says button, button.the app is a collection of
text adventure games. and while the game’s are accessible, the
titles of the games in the games library aren’t labeled.

Any help will be greatly appreciated 😊

Thanks.

Molly


Re: Upgrading Microsoft Word

Richard Wells
 

Abbie: If you always want to stay up to date without wondering if you are using the latest Office, consider an Office 365 subscription instead. http://www.office365.com

On 2/14/2019 10:30 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

No it’s to buy the entire suite of apps one time 😀 The only downside is if you want a new version you have to buy the new version. That’s why I am sticking with word 2016.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 11:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Upgrading Microsoft Word

 

Is that $40.00 per month? Thanks.
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Re: is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

Mallard
 

I'm afraid they haven't broght it to NVDA. I wonder why though.


I know it was there in Jaws, and I suppose it still is, though I haven't seen a Jaws version afer 2009.


We ahve it in Android, with both Sunshine and TalkBack.


Pity there isn't even an add-on that does that in NVDA!

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 14/02/2019 16:39, marcio via Groups.Io ha scritto:
I'm not aware of such a feature in NVDA.
It would be pretty good, though. Someone may have already done the request regarding it, so let's hope this is an option coming soon ;)
Just out of curiosity, what's the program/app name?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 14/02/2019 13:21, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hey guys, molly here again.

Is there a way to label unlabeled buttons with NVDA? I downloaded an app and when I swipe using the touchscreen or navigate with the keyboard NVDA just says button, button.the app is a collection of text adventure games.  and while the game’s are accessible, the titles of the games in the games library  aren’t labeled.

Any help will be greatly appreciated 😊

Thanks.

Molly


Re: is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

molly the blind tech lover
 

Good to know 😊

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 11:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

Yes, it is, but I suppose it will not work because the buttons don't have a Control ID unique...
all have 0 as ControlID...

Rui Fontes


Às 16:15 de 14/02/2019, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:
Is it available in Jaws?

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Peter
Beasley
*Sent:* Thursday, February 14, 2019 10:52 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

We used to have that feature in windoeyes.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *marcio via Groups.Io
<mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
*Sent: *14 February 2019 15:42
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

I'm not aware of such a feature in NVDA.
It would be pretty good, though. Someone may have already done the
request regarding it, so let's hope this is an option coming soon ;)

Just out of curiosity, what's the program/app name?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 14/02/2019 13:21, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hey guys, molly here again.

Is there a way to label unlabeled buttons with NVDA? I downloaded an
app and when I swipe using the touchscreen or navigate with the
keyboard NVDA just says button, button.the app is a collection of
text adventure games. and while the game’s are accessible, the
titles of the games in the games library aren’t labeled.

Any help will be greatly appreciated 😊

Thanks.

Molly


Re: Upgrading Microsoft Word

molly the blind tech lover
 

No it’s to buy the entire suite of apps one time 😀 The only downside is if you want a new version you have to buy the new version. That’s why I am sticking with word 2016.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 11:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Upgrading Microsoft Word

 

Is that $40.00 per month? Thanks.
--
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http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@...


Re: is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

Rui Fontes
 

Yes, it is, but I suppose it will not work because the buttons don't have a Control ID unique...
all have 0 as ControlID...

Rui Fontes


Às 16:15 de 14/02/2019, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Is it available in Jaws?
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Peter Beasley
*Sent:* Thursday, February 14, 2019 10:52 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?
We used to have that feature in windoeyes.
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
*From: *marcio via Groups.Io <mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
*Sent: *14 February 2019 15:42
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?
I'm not aware of such a feature in NVDA.
It would be pretty good, though. Someone may have already done the request regarding it, so let's hope this is an option coming soon ;)
Just out of curiosity, what's the program/app name?
Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>
Em 14/02/2019 13:21, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:
Hey guys, molly here again.
Is there a way to label unlabeled buttons with NVDA? I downloaded an
app and when I swipe using the touchscreen or navigate with the
keyboard NVDA just says button, button.the app is a collection of
text adventure games.  and while the game’s are accessible, the
titles of the games in the games library  aren’t labeled.
Any help will be greatly appreciated 😊
Thanks.
Molly


Re: Upgrading Microsoft Word

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

Is that $40.00 per month? Thanks.
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http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
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