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Re: Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

 

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 11:08 AM, Gene wrote:
I think it is less confusing if automatic switching is turned off.
While that is arguably true, I believe that any user is better off when doing accessibility testing using the default settings.  It gives them a far more realistic feel for what "the typical user of [insert specific screen reader here]" will experience when using the software in it's typical configuration.

My own experience is that it hasn't made all that much difference as far as what NVDA announces whether I'm navigating strictly by keyboard (or using quick navigation shortcuts) or getting to an object or location by point and click (at least when mouse tracking is on, and it is by default).
 
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Re: Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

Gene
 

We need more information about how the person is navigating the page.  I believe this person is sighted.  So how is movement being done and how are the controls being activated?  Is it all from the keyboard, a combination of keyboard and mouse, or all mouse?
 
I think it is less confusing if automatic switching is turned off. 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

Both NVDA and JAWS can be configured to stay in one mode or the other unless the user changes it by intent using keyboard shortcuts.  Both are also configured by default these days to switch from browse to forms mode when they land on a control during traversal and back to browse mode when they leave that control back to an area of straight text.

Gene has often mentioned that his personal preference is for "the old way" where the default was that you stayed in whatever mode you happen to be in until or unless you change it, no matter what you have landed on as you're making your way through the page.

It is odd that it would automatically switch to browse mode (or not leave browse mode) when landing on a control in the typical default configuration.
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Re: Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

 

Both NVDA and JAWS can be configured to stay in one mode or the other unless the user changes it by intent using keyboard shortcuts.  Both are also configured by default these days to switch from browse to forms mode when they land on a control during traversal and back to browse mode when they leave that control back to an area of straight text.

Gene has often mentioned that his personal preference is for "the old way" where the default was that you stayed in whatever mode you happen to be in until or unless you change it, no matter what you have landed on as you're making your way through the page.

It is odd that it would automatically switch to browse mode (or not leave browse mode) when landing on a control in the typical default configuration.
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Re: Hearing "Unknown" when Using a Mouse

 

It can also be important to know how you are developing these pages.   Are you coding the HTML from scratch, by hand or are you using a WYSIWYG page editor like DreamWeaver, BlueGriffon, etc.

You may need to tweak settings in your WYSIWYG editor, if you're using one.

Generally, for checkboxes, when I've looked at code it simply reads the text associated with the checkbox (its label).  Nothing else is needed because "it's all there."  Were I you, I'd take a look at the page source of the page you're having issues with and the page source of some random website that has a collection of checkboxes that work as expected and see where in the HTML they differ.

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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

 

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 07:23 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
If using Google Chrome, the NVDA commands, NVDA+Control+F or NVDA+F3, work, and the browser commands, Control+F or F3, also work. You must press Escape after using the browser commands to go to the occurrence found...
Interesting.   This still confirms for me my own predilection to teach and use only the screen reader find.   I would never in a billion years have thought to try Esc after a regular browser find to route the NVDA caret to the same location in text as the system caret at the end of a straight find command.

Since the bulk of my clients are formerly sighted, they want behaviors that most closely mimic the result they got, along with the needed auditory output, that they were accustomed to with a straight search.  That occurs reliably and without extra steps only when screen reader search is used.
 
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Re: Golden Cursor question

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

With JAWS, you can change the way the enter key acts, between Emulate mouse click and Pass through the enter key.

 

I honestly don’t know if you can change this in NVDA, but it may have some effect if you can.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 26 February 2019 01:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

I wonder what happens when a sighted person uses a mouse on the links.  We don't know if JAWS is causing the action.  A sighted person may have no action taken and NVDA may be reflecting the actual design of the program.

 

Can you test with a sighted person and no screen-reader running or ask on a
Becky support forum?  At this point, the question can't be answered because of the possibility that JAWS is taking the action.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 7:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

If it happenes to be a HTML page and Becky sees it as HTML, then sure it
will with <enter>. But I generally want my message in text format, so
the links come across as
http://www.whatever.com/notserious/

and all I do there is double left click on the http part and Becky! mail
send it to the browser, that is if the mouse/WE/JFW cursor is in the
beginning of that http part.
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virtualbox gui

mattias
 

how can jaws read the virtualbox gui without issues

jaws 2018

but nvda cant realy do that yet


Re: Hearing "Unknown" when Using a Mouse

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Does NVDA identify the control as being a check box?  When NVDA lands on a check box it should identify it a as check box, speak the state and announce the label.  NVDA will say “Unknown” when it does not recognise the control.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: 26 February 2019 03:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hearing "Unknown" when Using a Mouse

 

When using forms mode, it is expected that some sort of identifying text will be included with the item needing to be acted upon.  Therefore, some checkboxes might have a title saying it's the yes or the no check box.  If the said text isn't present, then NVDA has no way to know what the item is refering to, so will only state the actual item and not what it is supposed to be referring to.  This goes for all gui elements, not just checkboxes.

On 2/25/2019 10:10 PM, bestuiexperience wrote:

I am a software developer trying to develop accessible software. I am working with some checkboxes that always announce "unknown" before announcing the label. This occurs only in forms mode and only when using a mouse (which I understand some NVDA users do). Any clue as to what might be causing the issue?

 

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Re: Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

 

I don't know if I got it right, however if what you want is stay in a mode until or unless you change it yourself, I strongly believe that it's configurable into NVDA settings.
Others may comment on this (if they didn't it yet) as I forgot where it's exactly on.
Em 26/02/2019 00:03, bestuiexperience escreveu:

I sometimes find that when I enter a checkbox I automatically get thrown into browse mode. Since I am filling out a form I want to stay in forms mode because when in browse mode I sometimes will get focus completely thrown out of content.
So, 1) Is there a way to keep me in a given mode once I am in it 2) Is there a way to avoid being thrown out of the current element that I am in if I am not in forms mode (e.g., pressing the space bar will throw me out of focus occasionally when I am in forms mode)


Re: Windows10.1803 Having to restart NVDA every so often toget it to stay focused?

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Steve,

Thank you so much for your help.  It worked, NVDA is more responsive.  I still hear some choking but nothing like before and I have not had to restart NVDA.

Thanks again.

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 6:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows10.1803 Having to restart NVDA every so often toget it to stay focused?

 

OK on my Windows10 the Enhancement was at off; I turned off the option within the Advance Tab that says something about controling the device exclusively. Hope this helps some. Thanks for the tips!

 

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De: Steve Nutt
Enviado: lunes, 25 de febrero de 2019 03:39 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Windows10.1803 Having to restart NVDA every so often toget it to stay focused?

 

Hi,

 

Other things you might want to uncheck or change.

 

In the Communications tab, set it to Do Nothing.

 

In the Advanced tab, set take exclusive control to unchecked.

 

Now you will probably have a much more responsive synthesiser, and consequently a snappier NVDA.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: 25 February 2019 18:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows10.1803 Having to restart NVDA every so often to get it to stay focused?

 

Thanks.  I found it and I unchecked it.  For right now, it is doing ok, will see whether it lasts.  Thanks again.

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows10.1803 Having to restart NVDA every so often to get it to stay focused?

 

Pascal,
If you go to your sounds settings, where you can choose what speaker/microphone to use and such, also there will be a tab called enhancements. It's there, I guess.

Em 25/02/2019 13:57, Pascal Lambert escreveu:

Please, where can I find the audio effect to turn it off?
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 11:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows10.1803 Having to restart NVDA every so often to get it to stay focused?
 
The other thing to check, folks, is whether you have audio effects turned on. This seems to cause NVDA real problems.
 
On 2/25/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi,
 
Does restarting without any add-ons help?
 
Cheers,
 
Joseph
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal 
Lambert
 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows10.1803 Having to restart NVDA every so 
often to get it to stay focused?
 
 
 
Hi All,
 
I am having the same problem no matter what voice I am using.  I have 
to restart NVDA so often because is starts stuttering and sputtering 
or goes silent.  This is happening on both my Acer and HP laptops both have 8GB RAM.
This is also happening with the latest version of NVDA and prior versions.
I have on both laptops Windows version 1809 built 17763.  I do not 
believe the problem, is my sound card as I have no problems when I am 
playing music or listening to an E-book. This is getting very 
frustrating.  Your help is greatly appreciated.
 
Blessings
 
Pascal
 
P.S.  I have restarted NVDA 4 times while writing this message!
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> 
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 11:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Windows10.1803 Having to restart NVDA every so often 
to get it to stay focused?
 
 
 
Lately, I’ve had to restartNVDA every so often, to get it back focused 
on what’s supposed to do; to read the screen! Sometimes I’m working 
along, in apps like Windows10 Mail, Windows Explorer or others, and 
suddenly while arrowing around, it doesn’t read, having to invoke the 
Read Line NVDA+L to read where I’m on in the menú, list or whatever. 
When I restart it (I assigned it a shortcut of nvda+Shift+Control+N, 
it solves itself out, but a few minutes later, the same thing happens! 
Which is kind of starting to drive me crazy! Any ideas?
 
 
 
 
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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Rui Fontes
 

No, it seems it depends on the page...
I have tested in one of our pages, https://www.tiflotecnia.net/index_addons.html, and it worked...
Now I have made some searchs in Google, and did not worked in any of the pages consulted...

Rui Fontes


Às 12:26 de 26/02/2019, marcio via Groups.Io escreveu:

Rui,
I'm using Firefox and only get anything if using the NVDA search command. Would be it any error from my side?
Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 26/02/2019 09:23, Rui Fontes escreveu:
The differences are also dependent on the browser used...

In Microsoft Edge, using NVDA+Control+F, or NVDA+F3, it works, but using only Control+F or F3, it announces how many occurrences were found on the page, but it is not possible to go there. It is possible to go near the occurrence, pressing Tab until we get to the page, but we are placed on the next control to the occurrence...

If using Google Chrome, the NVDA commands, NVDA+Control+F or NVDA+F3, work, and the browser commands, Control+F or F3,  also work. You must press Escape after using the browser commands to go to the occurrence found...

In Internet Explorer, the same results.

In Mozilla Firefox, both NVDA and browser commands work...

Tests performed with Windows 10 1809 and last NVDA Alpha...

Rui Fontes





Às 11:42 de 26/02/2019, marcio via Groups.Io escreveu:
I'll have to agree, it seems Travis is the only one who is able to use this CTRL+F command as it should be used.
Still waiting to know what we are doing so wrong to have different results. It's about 3 people having the same result against only one who isn't getting the said.
Well maybe we are out of lucky. Maybe...

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 26/02/2019 08:38, Gene escreveu:
I wasn't going to respond to your last message because I hoped that someone who speaks with the authority of a developer would respond. They still may.  I wouldn't have continued to answer when it became clear that you wouldn't believe what I said if we were not on the list. But this is an NVDA list with users who range from beginner to advanced. I shall therefore quote from the manual.  Maybe you will think the manual writers know what they are talking about if you insist that I don't.
I tried using control f during the debate to make absolutely sure it doesn't work in browse mode.  It doesn't. I wasn't moved to the result I was looking for.
From the manual:
Find
NVDA+control+f
Pops up a dialog in which you can type some text to find in the current document
Find next
NVDA+f3
Finds the next occurrence of the text in the document that you previously searched for
Find previous
NVDA+shift+f3
Finds the previous occurrence of the text in the document you previously searched for
If control f could be used, don't you think it would have been stated in the manual and would be the command given?  Why give a command different from the general one used in Windows and Windows programs and a command that requires that an extra key be pressed when simply control f can be used.
Gene



Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

 

Rui,
I'm using Firefox and only get anything if using the NVDA search command. Would be it any error from my side?
Em 26/02/2019 09:23, Rui Fontes escreveu:

The differences are also dependent on the browser used...

In Microsoft Edge, using NVDA+Control+F, or NVDA+F3, it works, but using only Control+F or F3, it announces how many occurrences were found on the page, but it is not possible to go there. It is possible to go near the occurrence, pressing Tab until we get to the page, but we are placed on the next control to the occurrence...

If using Google Chrome, the NVDA commands, NVDA+Control+F or NVDA+F3, work, and the browser commands, Control+F or F3,  also work. You must press Escape after using the browser commands to go to the occurrence found...

In Internet Explorer, the same results.

In Mozilla Firefox, both NVDA and browser commands work...

Tests performed with Windows 10 1809 and last NVDA Alpha...

Rui Fontes





Às 11:42 de 26/02/2019, marcio via Groups.Io escreveu:
I'll have to agree, it seems Travis is the only one who is able to use this CTRL+F command as it should be used.
Still waiting to know what we are doing so wrong to have different results. It's about 3 people having the same result against only one who isn't getting the said.
Well maybe we are out of lucky. Maybe...

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 26/02/2019 08:38, Gene escreveu:
I wasn't going to respond to your last message because I hoped that someone who speaks with the authority of a developer would respond.  They still may.  I wouldn't have continued to answer when it became clear that you wouldn't believe what I said if we were not on the list.  But this is an NVDA list with users who range from beginner to advanced. I shall therefore quote from the manual.  Maybe you will think the manual writers know what they are talking about if you insist that I don't.
I tried using control f during the debate to make absolutely sure it doesn't work in browse mode.  It doesn't. I wasn't moved to the result I was looking for.
From the manual:
Find
NVDA+control+f
Pops up a dialog in which you can type some text to find in the current document
Find next
NVDA+f3
Finds the next occurrence of the text in the document that you previously searched for
Find previous
NVDA+shift+f3
Finds the previous occurrence of the text in the document you previously searched for
If control f could be used, don't you think it would have been stated in the manual and would be the command given?  Why give a command different from the general one used in Windows and Windows programs and a command that requires that an extra key be pressed when simply control f can be used.
Gene








Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Rui Fontes
 

The differences are also dependent on the browser used...

In Microsoft Edge, using NVDA+Control+F, or NVDA+F3, it works, but using only Control+F or F3, it announces how many occurrences were found on the page, but it is not possible to go there. It is possible to go near the occurrence, pressing Tab until we get to the page, but we are placed on the next control to the occurrence...

If using Google Chrome, the NVDA commands, NVDA+Control+F or NVDA+F3, work, and the browser commands, Control+F or F3, also work. You must press Escape after using the browser commands to go to the occurrence found...

In Internet Explorer, the same results.

In Mozilla Firefox, both NVDA and browser commands work...

Tests performed with Windows 10 1809 and last NVDA Alpha...

Rui Fontes





Às 11:42 de 26/02/2019, marcio via Groups.Io escreveu:

I'll have to agree, it seems Travis is the only one who is able to use this CTRL+F command as it should be used.
Still waiting to know what we are doing so wrong to have different results. It's about 3 people having the same result against only one who isn't getting the said.
Well maybe we are out of lucky. Maybe...
Cheers,
Marcio
Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
Em 26/02/2019 08:38, Gene escreveu:
I wasn't going to respond to your last message because I hoped that someone who speaks with the authority of a developer would respond. They still may.  I wouldn't have continued to answer when it became clear that you wouldn't believe what I said if we were not on the list.  But this is an NVDA list with users who range from beginner to advanced. I shall therefore quote from the manual.  Maybe you will think the manual writers know what they are talking about if you insist that I don't.
I tried using control f during the debate to make absolutely sure it doesn't work in browse mode.  It doesn't. I wasn't moved to the result I was looking for.
From the manual:
Find
NVDA+control+f
Pops up a dialog in which you can type some text to find in the current document
Find next
NVDA+f3
Finds the next occurrence of the text in the document that you previously searched for
Find previous
NVDA+shift+f3
Finds the previous occurrence of the text in the document you previously searched for
If control f could be used, don't you think it would have been stated in the manual and would be the command given?  Why give a command different from the general one used in Windows and Windows programs and a command that requires that an extra key be pressed when simply control f can be used.
Gene


Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Gene
 

I have to correct my last message.  I tested again twice more and I wasn't placed where I should have been following the procedure I gave.  So it is inconsistent and it may seldom work as I described.  Using control f won't work consistently and it may seldom do so.
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Out of curiosity, I just did another test.  I went into forms mode and used control f to search.  I pressed escape after using control f and went back into browse mode.  If you do that, you are on what you searched for.  But that is not how searching in NVDA is intended to be used.  You are intended to stay in browse mode and search using the commands I gave in my last message. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

I wasn't going to respond to your last message because I hoped that someone who speaks with the authority of a developer would respond.  They still may.  I wouldn't have continued to answer when it became clear that you wouldn't believe what I said if we were not on the list.  But this is an NVDA list with users who range from beginner to advanced.  I shall therefore quote from the manual.  Maybe you will think the manual writers know what they are talking about if you insist that I don't.
 
I tried using control f during the debate to make absolutely sure it doesn't work in browse mode.  It doesn't.  I wasn't moved to the result I was looking for. 
 
From the manual:
Find
NVDA+control+f
Pops up a dialog in which you can type some text to find in the current document
Find next
NVDA+f3
Finds the next occurrence of the text in the document that you previously searched for
Find previous
NVDA+shift+f3
Finds the previous occurrence of the text in the document you previously searched for
 
If control f could be used, don't you think it would have been stated in the manual and would be the command given?  Why give a command different from the general one used in Windows and Windows programs and a command that requires that an extra key be pressed when simply control f can be used. 
 
Gene


Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Gene
 

Out of curiosity, I just did another test.  I went into forms mode and used control f to search.  I pressed escape after using control f and went back into browse mode.  If you do that, you are on what you searched for.  But that is not how searching in NVDA is intended to be used.  You are intended to stay in browse mode and search using the commands I gave in my last message. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

I wasn't going to respond to your last message because I hoped that someone who speaks with the authority of a developer would respond.  They still may.  I wouldn't have continued to answer when it became clear that you wouldn't believe what I said if we were not on the list.  But this is an NVDA list with users who range from beginner to advanced.  I shall therefore quote from the manual.  Maybe you will think the manual writers know what they are talking about if you insist that I don't.
 
I tried using control f during the debate to make absolutely sure it doesn't work in browse mode.  It doesn't.  I wasn't moved to the result I was looking for. 
 
From the manual:
Find
NVDA+control+f
Pops up a dialog in which you can type some text to find in the current document
Find next
NVDA+f3
Finds the next occurrence of the text in the document that you previously searched for
Find previous
NVDA+shift+f3
Finds the previous occurrence of the text in the document you previously searched for
 
If control f could be used, don't you think it would have been stated in the manual and would be the command given?  Why give a command different from the general one used in Windows and Windows programs and a command that requires that an extra key be pressed when simply control f can be used. 
 
Gene


Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

 

I'll have to agree, it seems Travis is the only one who is able to use this CTRL+F command as it should be used.
Still waiting to know what we are doing so wrong to have different results. It's about 3 people having the same result against only one who isn't getting the said.
Well maybe we are out of lucky. Maybe...

Cheers,
Em 26/02/2019 08:38, Gene escreveu:

I wasn't going to respond to your last message because I hoped that someone who speaks with the authority of a developer would respond.  They still may.  I wouldn't have continued to answer when it became clear that you wouldn't believe what I said if we were not on the list.  But this is an NVDA list with users who range from beginner to advanced.  I shall therefore quote from the manual.  Maybe you will think the manual writers know what they are talking about if you insist that I don't.
 
I tried using control f during the debate to make absolutely sure it doesn't work in browse mode.  It doesn't.  I wasn't moved to the result I was looking for. 
 
From the manual:
Find
NVDA+control+f
Pops up a dialog in which you can type some text to find in the current document
Find next
NVDA+f3
Finds the next occurrence of the text in the document that you previously searched for
Find previous
NVDA+shift+f3
Finds the previous occurrence of the text in the document you previously searched for
 
If control f could be used, don't you think it would have been stated in the manual and would be the command given?  Why give a command different from the general one used in Windows and Windows programs and a command that requires that an extra key be pressed when simply control f can be used. 
 
Gene


Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

 

I also would like to know what I'd be doing wrong since I have the very same result on my side.
Please so?
Em 26/02/2019 01:07, Brian Vogel escreveu:

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 10:51 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
Control-F (which is the standard windows find function), works in browse mode.
I truly am not certain what you mean by "works."   If by that you mean finds the search string, sure.  If you also means gives any meaningful feedback when it does so or starts reading from the instance its sitting on if you start reading, then no.

I get silence, dead silence, using Chrome find in Chrome in browse mode and I've tried it on the Commands Quick Reference page and https://nirsoft.net/ since it's very text intensive.  Also just tried it on https://www.experts-exchange.com/articles/33470/Improve-website-response-times-easily-with-DNS-Settings.html with the same result.

I get nothing but dead silence as the search string is found, and found, and found and cannot make NVDA read from where the browser find has landed.

By contrast, if I use the NVDA find every time I land on the search string it's announced (along with a bit of text around it) and, if I commence reading, it goes from there and takes off.

Please tell me what I'm doing wrong.  I certainly wouldn't tell any of my students that there is an equivalence in behavior between browser find and NVDA find on every webpage on which I've done a comparison.
 
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Re: Differences between using the NVDA and the browser commands search on a webpage

Gene
 

I wasn't going to respond to your last message because I hoped that someone who speaks with the authority of a developer would respond.  They still may.  I wouldn't have continued to answer when it became clear that you wouldn't believe what I said if we were not on the list.  But this is an NVDA list with users who range from beginner to advanced.  I shall therefore quote from the manual.  Maybe you will think the manual writers know what they are talking about if you insist that I don't.
 
I tried using control f during the debate to make absolutely sure it doesn't work in browse mode.  It doesn't.  I wasn't moved to the result I was looking for. 
 
From the manual:
Find
NVDA+control+f
Pops up a dialog in which you can type some text to find in the current document
Find next
NVDA+f3
Finds the next occurrence of the text in the document that you previously searched for
Find previous
NVDA+shift+f3
Finds the previous occurrence of the text in the document you previously searched for
 
If control f could be used, don't you think it would have been stated in the manual and would be the command given?  Why give a command different from the general one used in Windows and Windows programs and a command that requires that an extra key be pressed when simply control f can be used. 
 
Gene


Re: Hearing "Unknown" when Using a Mouse

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Yes and why cannot a site stick to one sort of combo box? IE the one which works without jumping out for all of them on the page?
Bah humbug.
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Some forms have radio buttons which allow you to make a choice
whenselecting something. There are also combo boxes.



On 2/25/2019 7:25 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

When using forms mode, it is expected that some sort of identifying
text will be included with the item needing to be acted upon.
Therefore, some checkboxes might have a title saying it's the yes or
the no check box. If the said text isn't present, then NVDA has no
way to know what the item is refering to, so will only state the
actual item and not what it is supposed to be referring to. This goes
for all gui elements, not just checkboxes.

On 2/25/2019 10:10 PM, bestuiexperience wrote:
I am a software developer trying to develop accessible software. I am
working with some checkboxes that always announce "unknown" before
announcing the label. This occurs only in forms mode and only when
using a mouse (which I understand some NVDA users do). Any clue as to
what might be causing the issue?
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Re: How to Select a Link While n Browse Mode

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I tend to use space bar but then that is just me. I'd be interested in what the page is and if the link is actually in focus , ie was navigated to by the keyboard when you tried to click it. IE if you are in browse mode, use tab or K to get to the link in browse mode, does the link work for you then? Simply cursoring to when you hear the link may be enough out not to be actually on it.
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Another way to select the link if you can't use enter is to hit shift
enter.



On 2/25/2019 7:12 PM, bestuiexperience wrote:
Sorry, I should have been clear. I am trying to understand how a
keybaord only-NVDA user would select a link while in browse mode, and
whether they would need to switch to forms mode.