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Re: Great Description of Emoji /was/[nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Laurie Mehta
 

Hey Travis, thanks for sharing this! Also, thanks for sharing about your great and proactive family! It is encouragement for everyone.

One thing that I have also noticed about some emoji and the descriptors that are attached to them is that some of the actual visuals do not quite match what has been associated with them for us screen-reader users. One example is the emoji that we hear as "face with tears of joy" because sighted people describe it as a laughing face. Maybe Brian V. can comment?

-Laurie
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On Mon, 2/11/19, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Monday, February 11, 2019, 10:49 AM


An emoji (from what my kids have described, and even
built out of
clay) is generally a round frame containing one or
more objects
inside of it.  A lot of them are faces, such as
smiling, frowning,
surprised, and so on), but many of them are just
normal objects as
well, peppers, egg plants, (which the teens use to
represent male
anatomy), and other normal everyday items.  There are
emojis for
darned near anything you'd ever want to
communicate, which is why
so many folks use them.  My daughter is especially
good at
creating emojis out of clay, and for a while, I had
several of
them on my desk, though it was a bit tough to tell
which ones were
which, since the faces were very similar.


On 2/11/2019
10:12 AM, marcio via
Groups.Io wrote:



Actually this is an emoticon, which the article that I
posted the
link to right after one starts reading it states to
not confuse
with what's actually an emoji.

I still
don't know how to explain what
it is after all, so well..



Cheers,

Marcio

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Em
11/02/2019 11:38, Chris Shook
escreveu:


An
Emoji is a face or figure made up of dots that
conveys the mood
of the email.

For example, Look below my signature and NVDA should
tell you,
Smiling Smiley.

Hpe this helps.

Chris



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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

molly the blind tech lover
 

Something I don't love... meat... don't like the taste 😊

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Molly:
I'll start things off. I don't like bees. THat's mainly because I got stung on the tongue when I was about four. 😓


locked Re: Exporting bookmarks to a file?

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

Sorry, but this has nothing to do with you personally. At all.


What it has to do with is your lack of ability to understand where others are coming from, your lack of ability to change the way in which you come across.


Your actions in the last day have really spoken volumes. Your wording was horribly wrong (and dare I say even hurtful). It's as though you don't think before you send messages. As you say, there are a thousand people on this list with a thousand different levels of computer use. To give yet another example (and this is generally you on this list when someone is asking for help) you almost always assume that your way is the only way, that your method is the only method, that there is no other way in which to accomplish a task. So when someone comes up with a different method (that may be easier for some, but doesn't fit into your life), you find every available negative point to criticize that other method and continuously claim how yours is superior. It's frustrating beyond belief having someone continuously go on about how my method of doing something (for instance, creating a new folder), is wrong.


Again, this is not personal. We don't know you personally, we only know how you act on a mailing list. If you think that's personal, perhaps it's time to take a few steps back and stop moderating.


So there's my opinion. This were my mailing list you'd at the very least be on moderated status simply based on your actions of the last 24 hours.


On 2019-02-11 12:44 p.m., Gene wrote:
Again, doing what you accuse me of.  A message filled with nothing but invective, accusations, and attacks.  Not one substantive example.  Not one quote from one message.  And wild exageration.  This list has something like a thousand members.  Something like four people who don't like me for various reasons is hardly a multitude.  Please, either respond substantivbelie or stop the flames, which have no substance except your lothing of me. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Exporting bookmarks to a file?

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 01:09 PM, Gene wrote:
You have disliked me irrationally for a long time.  I am civil to you and you always attack me and start debates first.
No, Gene, my dislike and that expressed by a multitude of others at this point is entirely rational and entirely based in your own behavior, which has now been very accurately and comprehensively characterized.

You will not take any constructive criticism and always insist on lashing out, in the most ugly way and at great length, at anyone who dares offer any.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with me, and everything, my dear, to do with you.
 
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Personal messages on this list

Antony Stone
 

Hi.

Please could everyone ensure that their postings to this list are:

a) relevant to the subject line (if not, start a new thread or change the
subject line to reflect the change of direction of the discussion)

b) related to NVDA

c) meaningful to the group as a whole rather than just one individual.

Specifically, if what you intend to write is both about and directed at one
particular individual, then please send that message to them alone, and not to
the whole list.

If what you want to write is, let us say, not entirely complimentary about
that person, then I suggest in addition that you do not send the email
immediately, but wait a few hours to see whether your temper / mood / opinion
improve, and you perhaps find that it isn't a good idea to send the email at
all.

In essence, personal ciriticism is neither welcome nor appropriate for this
list, and if a comment is not related to NVDA and its use, please consider
carefully whether you should be making it here at all.

Disclaimer: I am not a list admin, and the above is merely my own personal
opinion.


Thanks,


Antony.

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short enought to retain interest,
but long enough to cover the subject.

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please *don't* CC me.


locked Re: Exporting bookmarks to a file?

 

Gene,

             Please just stop.  Stop.   Stop.

             This isn't personal, whether you wish to believe that or not.  I've said my piece, as have others.  It's up to Nimer now to take the action he deems appropriate.

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Fn Key Issues

 

It would be most helpful to know the make and model of the keyboard.

That being said, most external keyboards are of the "desktop layout" in format (with some foldable Bluetooth ones being notable exceptions) and have dedicated arrow, home, end, page up/down, and other buttons such that multi-key presses using modifiers are unnecessary.  That's one of the big reasons people buy and use them when their laptop isn't being used while literally on the road or in the air.
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

An emoji (from what my kids have described, and even built out of clay) is generally a round frame containing one or more objects inside of it.  A lot of them are faces, such as smiling, frowning, surprised, and so on), but many of them are just normal objects as well, peppers, egg plants, (which the teens use to represent male anatomy), and other normal everyday items.  There are emojis for darned near anything you'd ever want to communicate, which is why so many folks use them.  My daughter is especially good at creating emojis out of clay, and for a while, I had several of them on my desk, though it was a bit tough to tell which ones were which, since the faces were very similar.

On 2/11/2019 10:12 AM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Actually this is an emoticon, which the article that I posted the link to right after one starts reading it states to not confuse with what's actually an emoji.
I still don't know how to explain what it is after all, so well..

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 11/02/2019 11:38, Chris Shook escreveu:
An Emoji is a face or figure made up of dots that conveys the mood of the email.
For example, Look below my signature and NVDA should tell you, Smiling Smiley.
Hpe this helps.
Chris

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Re: Fn Key Issues

Jackie
 

Bhavya, you don't tell us which keyboard it is. Many keyboards have a
key combination to disable such behavior, ie, I remember having to
press the fn & esc keys simultaneously to disable that sort of
behavior on a Linovo laptop I once had. Unfortunately, these
keystrokes are not standardized, & the only way to see if the function
even exists &/or how to use it is to consult any manuals &/or online
documentation that may accompany your board.

On 2/11/19, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

I apologize for this not being strictly NVDA related, but more in
regards to adapting to a keyboard which poses unique challenges in the
issuance of NVDA key commands. I recently purchased an external
keyboard which was overall great value for money, apart from one
pestiferous problem.

To emulate the Home, End, Page Up and Page Down functions, I need to
press the Function (Fn) key in conjunction with the arrow keys. This
is not atypical for me as I need to do this even on my built in laptop
keyboard. However, on my laptop, I am absolutely used to pressing Ctrl
followed by Function followed by right arrow for Ctrl+Home, whereas on
this new external keyboard, I need to hold down Function first, and
then press keys like Ctrl and right arrow. This is getting
particularly problematic since my brain is wired to use the Function
key preceding an arrow key only when I want to select an entire line
or page as opposed to holding down Function first and foremost, and
then pressing things like NVDA modifier+Shift+right arrow to read the
status bar.

Is there any way - software settting or device setup or otherwise - by
which I can get this external keyboard to act similar to my laptop
keyboard, in that I need to press the Function key only before the
arrow keys or the key whose secondary function will be induced as
opposed to the first key in any multi-key combinaition?

I would greatly appreciate any assistance in this regard.

Thanks.

--
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Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

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E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Cristóbal
 

OH boy... seems like we're getting close to mute thread time.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Molly:
I'll start things off. I don't like bees. THat's mainly because I got stung on the tongue when I was about four. 😓


locked Re: Exporting bookmarks to a file?

Gene
 

Again, doing what you accuse me of.  A message filled with nothing but invective, accusations, and attacks.  Not one substantive example.  Not one quote from one message.  And wild exageration.  This list has something like a thousand members.  Something like four people who don't like me for various reasons is hardly a multitude.  Please, either respond substantivbelie or stop the flames, which have no substance except your lothing of me. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Exporting bookmarks to a file?

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 01:09 PM, Gene wrote:
You have disliked me irrationally for a long time.  I am civil to you and you always attack me and start debates first.
No, Gene, my dislike and that expressed by a multitude of others at this point is entirely rational and entirely based in your own behavior, which has now been very accurately and comprehensively characterized.

You will not take any constructive criticism and always insist on lashing out, in the most ugly way and at great length, at anyone who dares offer any.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with me, and everything, my dear, to do with you.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


locked Re: Exporting bookmarks to a file?

 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 01:09 PM, Gene wrote:
You have disliked me irrationally for a long time.  I am civil to you and you always attack me and start debates first.
No, Gene, my dislike and that expressed by a multitude of others at this point is entirely rational and entirely based in your own behavior, which has now been very accurately and comprehensively characterized.

You will not take any constructive criticism and always insist on lashing out, in the most ugly way and at great length, at anyone who dares offer any.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with me, and everything, my dear, to do with you.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Fn Key Issues

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

I apologize for this not being strictly NVDA related, but more in
regards to adapting to a keyboard which poses unique challenges in the
issuance of NVDA key commands. I recently purchased an external
keyboard which was overall great value for money, apart from one
pestiferous problem.

To emulate the Home, End, Page Up and Page Down functions, I need to
press the Function (Fn) key in conjunction with the arrow keys. This
is not atypical for me as I need to do this even on my built in laptop
keyboard. However, on my laptop, I am absolutely used to pressing Ctrl
followed by Function followed by right arrow for Ctrl+Home, whereas on
this new external keyboard, I need to hold down Function first, and
then press keys like Ctrl and right arrow. This is getting
particularly problematic since my brain is wired to use the Function
key preceding an arrow key only when I want to select an entire line
or page as opposed to holding down Function first and foremost, and
then pressing things like NVDA modifier+Shift+right arrow to read the
status bar.

Is there any way - software settting or device setup or otherwise - by
which I can get this external keyboard to act similar to my laptop
keyboard, in that I need to press the Function key only before the
arrow keys or the key whose secondary function will be induced as
opposed to the first key in any multi-key combinaition?

I would greatly appreciate any assistance in this regard.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
Skype: bhavya.09


Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hieroglyphs were always kind of neat. I was always impressed how you could take a picture and make it represent a number.
I like Roman Numerals to. Although, Vocalizer expressive won't read them right, but that's okay.


Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Molly:
I'll start things off. I don't like bees. THat's mainly because I got stung on the tongue when I was about four. 😓


Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

molly the blind tech lover
 

We learned about hieroglyphs last semester. Hieroglyphs were the Egyptian form of writing ❤

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Makes you wonder if Hieroglyphs were the ancient Egyptian form of movies.


Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

molly the blind tech lover
 

Something I don't love? Let's see... Can't think of anything 😊

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Hey Molly:
Is there anything you don't love? 😀


Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Makes you wonder if Hieroglyphs were the ancient Egyptian form of movies.


Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hey Molly:
Is there anything you don't love? 😀


locked Re: Exporting bookmarks to a file?

Gene
 

As I explain later in this message, I won't answer individual messages after this one, but I think this message deserves a response.
 
You have disliked me irrationally for a long time.  I am civil to you and you always attack me and start debates first.  You have made charges about my conduct.  You know how to look through the archives.  Shhow me examples, quotes of anything I've done that is as you describe, And isn't it interesting how you do exactly what you accuse me of.  It wasn't too long ago that you accused me of scolding list members, which I do not accept.  What did you do a day or two ago?  You wrote a message harshly criticizing, let's say the s word, scolding a list member and any list members in general who continue to use Internet Explorer.  Physician, heal thyself.  And, if you are going to make wild charges, back them up.  I'm tired of seeing charges from you and when I ask you to back them up, silence is the result.  Either back up what you say or don't say it. 
 
I don't want to get into a dragged out discussion about me on the list.  I answered your message because it so outrageous.  But I will now let people say what they want and not comment much.  I may have another comment after things continue for a day or two, but I won't respond to individual messages.  its time for those who have an opinion to speak if they wish.  But it isn't the time for me to respond again until I see what people have to say.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Exporting bookmarks to a file?

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 11:16 AM, Gene wrote:
And if I am removed, I'll still be a list member, annoying you in the same ways.
Not really.  Your behaviors, long before the outrageous last 24 hours, would have had you on moderated status, at a minimum on any forum on which I'm part of the moderating team.

Your actions over the last day would easily result in removal as moderator, and should.

You adamantly refuse to accept any feedback regarding how you consistently come across and are a frequent source of discord.  And, as usual, you'll deflect and attack that observation, too.  It's just sad.

And I have said the above in public and to the group owner privately on more than one occasion, without hesitation.
 
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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

molly the blind tech lover
 

Just wondering, is there a difference between emojies and emoticons?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Well customised emoticons is what I sort of thought of, but I used that word to mean both in fact since I do not use them and from the descriptions I hear in nvda, would not be sure if I'd used the right one in the first place, so I tend to ad just Grin at eye end.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "marcio via Groups.Io" <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted


Hi Ian,
I would like so much to try explaining you what is an emoji, but I
definitelly don't have the proper words.
An emoji is, let's say, theorically, the same as an emoticon, except by
some differences.
And, to understand these differences, you can check this link
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji>, which will explain it much better
than I would ever do.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 11/02/2019 07:02, Ian Westerland escreveu:


Brian, I don't think I even know what an emogee is so I look forward
to an explanation. Probably when the explanation comes, I might be
able to imagine how to use Emogees but, at the moment, I'm in the dark
so to speak.

Regards


Ian Westerland






On 2/11/2019 7:30 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi folks, as somebody who has been around text based messages for
more years than I care to admit to, there is one basic truism which
still can cause issues.
The statement of facts or giving of advice can appear very abrupt and
direct when it was not meant to be.
Most of us when speaking to each other use inflection and such like
to create the spirit of what is being said and how it is to be taken.
Sadly many of us cannot see body language, so even that is no good in
person. However apart from what I still consider as these new fangled
emogees, many do not know what they mean nor in fact use them.
Thus when you see an apparently abrupt response or interpret
something as a castigation or a reprimand, please go away, have a
drink, think about it and realise it was just the facts being
expressed. Nothing
wrong with anything you said.
Even a simple comment like:
If you go back a day you will see this answered is often seen as
sarcasm, when its really not meant that way. If you cannot go back or
do not know how to view the archive, merely state this and somebody
will help, I'm sure.
OK I'll go back to sleep now!

Brian

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