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Re: Fn Key Issues

Jackie
 

Bhavya, you don't tell us which keyboard it is. Many keyboards have a
key combination to disable such behavior, ie, I remember having to
press the fn & esc keys simultaneously to disable that sort of
behavior on a Linovo laptop I once had. Unfortunately, these
keystrokes are not standardized, & the only way to see if the function
even exists &/or how to use it is to consult any manuals &/or online
documentation that may accompany your board.

On 2/11/19, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

I apologize for this not being strictly NVDA related, but more in
regards to adapting to a keyboard which poses unique challenges in the
issuance of NVDA key commands. I recently purchased an external
keyboard which was overall great value for money, apart from one
pestiferous problem.

To emulate the Home, End, Page Up and Page Down functions, I need to
press the Function (Fn) key in conjunction with the arrow keys. This
is not atypical for me as I need to do this even on my built in laptop
keyboard. However, on my laptop, I am absolutely used to pressing Ctrl
followed by Function followed by right arrow for Ctrl+Home, whereas on
this new external keyboard, I need to hold down Function first, and
then press keys like Ctrl and right arrow. This is getting
particularly problematic since my brain is wired to use the Function
key preceding an arrow key only when I want to select an entire line
or page as opposed to holding down Function first and foremost, and
then pressing things like NVDA modifier+Shift+right arrow to read the
status bar.

Is there any way - software settting or device setup or otherwise - by
which I can get this external keyboard to act similar to my laptop
keyboard, in that I need to press the Function key only before the
arrow keys or the key whose secondary function will be induced as
opposed to the first key in any multi-key combinaition?

I would greatly appreciate any assistance in this regard.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
Skype: bhavya.09



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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Cristóbal
 

OH boy... seems like we're getting close to mute thread time.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Molly:
I'll start things off. I don't like bees. THat's mainly because I got stung on the tongue when I was about four. 😓


locked Re: Exporting bookmarks to a file?

Gene
 

Again, doing what you accuse me of.  A message filled with nothing but invective, accusations, and attacks.  Not one substantive example.  Not one quote from one message.  And wild exageration.  This list has something like a thousand members.  Something like four people who don't like me for various reasons is hardly a multitude.  Please, either respond substantivbelie or stop the flames, which have no substance except your lothing of me. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Exporting bookmarks to a file?

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 01:09 PM, Gene wrote:
You have disliked me irrationally for a long time.  I am civil to you and you always attack me and start debates first.
No, Gene, my dislike and that expressed by a multitude of others at this point is entirely rational and entirely based in your own behavior, which has now been very accurately and comprehensively characterized.

You will not take any constructive criticism and always insist on lashing out, in the most ugly way and at great length, at anyone who dares offer any.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with me, and everything, my dear, to do with you.
 
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locked Re: Exporting bookmarks to a file?

 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 01:09 PM, Gene wrote:
You have disliked me irrationally for a long time.  I am civil to you and you always attack me and start debates first.
No, Gene, my dislike and that expressed by a multitude of others at this point is entirely rational and entirely based in your own behavior, which has now been very accurately and comprehensively characterized.

You will not take any constructive criticism and always insist on lashing out, in the most ugly way and at great length, at anyone who dares offer any.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with me, and everything, my dear, to do with you.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Fn Key Issues

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

I apologize for this not being strictly NVDA related, but more in
regards to adapting to a keyboard which poses unique challenges in the
issuance of NVDA key commands. I recently purchased an external
keyboard which was overall great value for money, apart from one
pestiferous problem.

To emulate the Home, End, Page Up and Page Down functions, I need to
press the Function (Fn) key in conjunction with the arrow keys. This
is not atypical for me as I need to do this even on my built in laptop
keyboard. However, on my laptop, I am absolutely used to pressing Ctrl
followed by Function followed by right arrow for Ctrl+Home, whereas on
this new external keyboard, I need to hold down Function first, and
then press keys like Ctrl and right arrow. This is getting
particularly problematic since my brain is wired to use the Function
key preceding an arrow key only when I want to select an entire line
or page as opposed to holding down Function first and foremost, and
then pressing things like NVDA modifier+Shift+right arrow to read the
status bar.

Is there any way - software settting or device setup or otherwise - by
which I can get this external keyboard to act similar to my laptop
keyboard, in that I need to press the Function key only before the
arrow keys or the key whose secondary function will be induced as
opposed to the first key in any multi-key combinaition?

I would greatly appreciate any assistance in this regard.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
Skype: bhavya.09


Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hieroglyphs were always kind of neat. I was always impressed how you could take a picture and make it represent a number.
I like Roman Numerals to. Although, Vocalizer expressive won't read them right, but that's okay.


Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Molly:
I'll start things off. I don't like bees. THat's mainly because I got stung on the tongue when I was about four. 😓


Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

molly the blind tech lover
 

We learned about hieroglyphs last semester. Hieroglyphs were the Egyptian form of writing ❤

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Makes you wonder if Hieroglyphs were the ancient Egyptian form of movies.


Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

molly the blind tech lover
 

Something I don't love? Let's see... Can't think of anything 😊

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Hey Molly:
Is there anything you don't love? 😀


Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Makes you wonder if Hieroglyphs were the ancient Egyptian form of movies.


Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hey Molly:
Is there anything you don't love? 😀


locked Re: Exporting bookmarks to a file?

Gene
 

As I explain later in this message, I won't answer individual messages after this one, but I think this message deserves a response.
 
You have disliked me irrationally for a long time.  I am civil to you and you always attack me and start debates first.  You have made charges about my conduct.  You know how to look through the archives.  Shhow me examples, quotes of anything I've done that is as you describe, And isn't it interesting how you do exactly what you accuse me of.  It wasn't too long ago that you accused me of scolding list members, which I do not accept.  What did you do a day or two ago?  You wrote a message harshly criticizing, let's say the s word, scolding a list member and any list members in general who continue to use Internet Explorer.  Physician, heal thyself.  And, if you are going to make wild charges, back them up.  I'm tired of seeing charges from you and when I ask you to back them up, silence is the result.  Either back up what you say or don't say it. 
 
I don't want to get into a dragged out discussion about me on the list.  I answered your message because it so outrageous.  But I will now let people say what they want and not comment much.  I may have another comment after things continue for a day or two, but I won't respond to individual messages.  its time for those who have an opinion to speak if they wish.  But it isn't the time for me to respond again until I see what people have to say.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Exporting bookmarks to a file?

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 11:16 AM, Gene wrote:
And if I am removed, I'll still be a list member, annoying you in the same ways.
Not really.  Your behaviors, long before the outrageous last 24 hours, would have had you on moderated status, at a minimum on any forum on which I'm part of the moderating team.

Your actions over the last day would easily result in removal as moderator, and should.

You adamantly refuse to accept any feedback regarding how you consistently come across and are a frequent source of discord.  And, as usual, you'll deflect and attack that observation, too.  It's just sad.

And I have said the above in public and to the group owner privately on more than one occasion, without hesitation.
 
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

molly the blind tech lover
 

Just wondering, is there a difference between emojies and emoticons?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Well customised emoticons is what I sort of thought of, but I used that word to mean both in fact since I do not use them and from the descriptions I hear in nvda, would not be sure if I'd used the right one in the first place, so I tend to ad just Grin at eye end.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "marcio via Groups.Io" <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted


Hi Ian,
I would like so much to try explaining you what is an emoji, but I
definitelly don't have the proper words.
An emoji is, let's say, theorically, the same as an emoticon, except by
some differences.
And, to understand these differences, you can check this link
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji>, which will explain it much better
than I would ever do.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 11/02/2019 07:02, Ian Westerland escreveu:


Brian, I don't think I even know what an emogee is so I look forward
to an explanation. Probably when the explanation comes, I might be
able to imagine how to use Emogees but, at the moment, I'm in the dark
so to speak.

Regards


Ian Westerland






On 2/11/2019 7:30 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi folks, as somebody who has been around text based messages for
more years than I care to admit to, there is one basic truism which
still can cause issues.
The statement of facts or giving of advice can appear very abrupt and
direct when it was not meant to be.
Most of us when speaking to each other use inflection and such like
to create the spirit of what is being said and how it is to be taken.
Sadly many of us cannot see body language, so even that is no good in
person. However apart from what I still consider as these new fangled
emogees, many do not know what they mean nor in fact use them.
Thus when you see an apparently abrupt response or interpret
something as a castigation or a reprimand, please go away, have a
drink, think about it and realise it was just the facts being
expressed. Nothing
wrong with anything you said.
Even a simple comment like:
If you go back a day you will see this answered is often seen as
sarcasm, when its really not meant that way. If you cannot go back or
do not know how to view the archive, merely state this and somebody
will help, I'm sure.
OK I'll go back to sleep now!

Brian

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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well customised emoticons is what I sort of thought of, but I used that word to mean both in fact since I do not use them and from the descriptions I hear in nvda, would not be sure if I'd used the right one in the first place, so I tend to ad just Grin at eye end.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "marcio via Groups.Io" <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted


Hi Ian,
I would like so much to try explaining you what is an emoji, but I
definitelly don't have the proper words.
An emoji is, let's say, theorically, the same as an emoticon, except by
some differences.
And, to understand these differences, you can check this link
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji>, which will explain it much better
than I would ever do.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 11/02/2019 07:02, Ian Westerland escreveu:


Brian, I don't think I even know what an emogee is so I look forward
to an explanation. Probably when the explanation comes, I might be
able to imagine how to use Emogees but, at the moment, I'm in the dark
so to speak.

Regards


Ian Westerland






On 2/11/2019 7:30 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi folks, as somebody who has been around text based messages for
more years than I care to admit to, there is one basic truism which
still can cause issues.
The statement of facts or giving of advice can appear very abrupt and
direct when it was not meant to be.
Most of us when speaking to each other use inflection and such like
to create the spirit of what is being said and how it is to be taken.
Sadly many of us cannot see body language, so even that is no good in
person. However apart from what I still consider as these new fangled
emogees, many do not know what they mean nor in fact use them.
Thus when you see an apparently abrupt response or interpret
something as a castigation or a reprimand, please go away, have a
drink, think about it and realise it was just the facts being
expressed. Nothing
wrong with anything you said.
Even a simple comment like:
If you go back a day you will see this answered is often seen as
sarcasm, when its really not meant that way. If you cannot go back or
do not know how to view the archive, merely state this and somebody
will help, I'm sure.
OK I'll go back to sleep now!

Brian

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locked Re: Exporting bookmarks to a file?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I totally agree with Sarah and Brian. You act as if your way is the only way to do tasks. When anybody tries to explain that there's more than one way to accomplish a task, you get defensive and act as an irritated school master. This behavior is getting old! Enough said!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Exporting bookmarks to a file?

 

Agreed a thousand percent with brian. If this were my list you would have already ben band not just as mod, but as list member, as mod for good, and as list member for at least a week to start off with, then higher bans the more the offending behavior continues up to and including indefinite termination. Oh and my 3 strikes rule, you would have violated that, about 2 years or so ago.

 

Take care

On 11 Feb 2019, at 8:51, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 11:16 AM, Gene wrote:

And if I am removed, I'll still be a list member, annoying you in the same ways.

Not really.  Your behaviors, long before the outrageous last 24 hours, would have had you on moderated status, at a minimum on any forum on which I'm part of the moderating team.

Your actions over the last day would easily result in removal as moderator, and should.

You adamantly refuse to accept any feedback regarding how you consistently come across and are a frequent source of discord.  And, as usual, you'll deflect and attack that observation, too.  It's just sad.

And I have said the above in public and to the group owner privately on more than one occasion, without hesitation.
 
--

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Sarah k Alawami
 

Lol. What's that saying that old styles come back as new? Well we'll see. Love your analogy there. It does make sense as I see old new tech coming back and stubb better than ever.

Take care

On 11 Feb 2019, at 9:03, Cristóbal wrote:

Everything old is new again. We’re going to end up using hieroglyphs or Aztec Pictograms again soon enough and folks are going to call them an innovative  breakthrough in modern communication or something…

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 7:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

 

Emojis are nothing more than tiny images (drawn, not photos) that fit in line with text, taking up the equivalent of 1 to 2 (maybe 3) character places.

They originally had, as their intent, expressing emotions much as emoticons did and do.  However, the range has expanded to include so many that this can no longer be said to be the case.

Many are used as coded references to other things.  The infamous eggplant emoji being the most "commonly known" one.  Look it up.
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locked Re: Exporting bookmarks to a file?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Agreed a thousand percent with brian. If this were my list you would have already ben band not just as mod, but as list member, as mod for good, and as list member for at least a week to start off with, then higher bans the more the offending behavior continues up to and including indefinite termination. Oh and my 3 strikes rule, you would have violated that, about 2 years or so ago.


Take care

On 11 Feb 2019, at 8:51, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 11:16 AM, Gene wrote:
And if I am removed, I'll still be a list member, annoying you in the same ways.
Not really.  Your behaviors, long before the outrageous last 24 hours, would have had you on moderated status, at a minimum on any forum on which I'm part of the moderating team.

Your actions over the last day would easily result in removal as moderator, and should.

You adamantly refuse to accept any feedback regarding how you consistently come across and are a frequent source of discord.  And, as usual, you'll deflect and attack that observation, too.  It's just sad.

And I have said the above in public and to the group owner privately on more than one occasion, without hesitation.
 
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hieroglyphs are cool

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

 

Everything old is new again. We’re going to end up using hieroglyphs or Aztec Pictograms again soon enough and folks are going to call them an innovative  breakthrough in modern communication or something…

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 7:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

 

Emojis are nothing more than tiny images (drawn, not photos) that fit in line with text, taking up the equivalent of 1 to 2 (maybe 3) character places.

They originally had, as their intent, expressing emotions much as emoticons did and do.  However, the range has expanded to include so many that this can no longer be said to be the case.

Many are used as coded references to other things.  The infamous eggplant emoji being the most "commonly known" one.  Look it up.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Cristóbal
 

Everything old is new again. We’re going to end up using hieroglyphs or Aztec Pictograms again soon enough and folks are going to call them an innovative  breakthrough in modern communication or something…

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 7:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

 

Emojis are nothing more than tiny images (drawn, not photos) that fit in line with text, taking up the equivalent of 1 to 2 (maybe 3) character places.

They originally had, as their intent, expressing emotions much as emoticons did and do.  However, the range has expanded to include so many that this can no longer be said to be the case.

Many are used as coded references to other things.  The infamous eggplant emoji being the most "commonly known" one.  Look it up.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


locked Re: Exporting bookmarks to a file?

 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 11:16 AM, Gene wrote:
And if I am removed, I'll still be a list member, annoying you in the same ways.
Not really.  Your behaviors, long before the outrageous last 24 hours, would have had you on moderated status, at a minimum on any forum on which I'm part of the moderating team.

Your actions over the last day would easily result in removal as moderator, and should.

You adamantly refuse to accept any feedback regarding how you consistently come across and are a frequent source of discord.  And, as usual, you'll deflect and attack that observation, too.  It's just sad.

And I have said the above in public and to the group owner privately on more than one occasion, without hesitation.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back