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Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 05:56 AM 2/9/2019, Clare Page wrote:
Hi!
Firefox certainly works well with NVDA, I've used it 99.9% of the time
for several years now: I switched to it when I had a faulty version of
Internet Explorer, and haven't looked back. I haven't even opened IE
for years: I have Google Chrome as a backup web browser, although I
don't use it very much, but it's worked well with NVDA on the rare
occasions I've used it. Good to still have a choice, even on Windows 7
which I still have, now that IE is dying!
Havingg tried out Firefox,, Chrome, Edge and even Opera, I find myself returning to good old IE because off two important factors for me: favorites organization and system sounds. IE is they only browser I've found where I can assign sounds to all sorts of navigation functions, most importantly, link activation, page loads and f previous/next page movement.. In terms of favorites, Chrome doesn't even allow you to edit the bookmark name, let alone store it in a directory, although it does maintain Internet Explorer directory structures during importation.
FFor the life of me, I can't figure out how to access Chromes notification; I've tried alt+shift+A and alt+A, but neither actually speak the notification area to activate it. Chrome doesn't have as many settings as Internet Explorerr, such as when history is cleared,, and whether SSL is used.
Moreover, I say all this with the caveat that I am far from perfect and may not have discovered features in Chrome or Firefox that I could use effectively. If anyone knows how to edit favorite names, store them in directories and assign system sounds to browser navigations in Chrome, Firefox or Edge, please do enlighten me.
ManBut till then, although I'll always experiment with other browsers, Internet Explorer remains my reliable default.


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue


Re: Codefactory vocalizer and NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

It really depends on which version of Word you are using as to the exact behaviour with spell check.  Spell check in Word 365 works quite well.  There are specific places in Word 2013 / 2016 where object navigation gives you extra information, although in any case, I don't think there is anything particularly specific to any given synthesizer?

Some synthesizers take it upon themselves to interpret some strings, for instance dr as Doctor (or drive) or st as street (or saint), but those things won't be specific to spell check.

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 6:04 AM Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...> wrote:
I also use Code Factory Vocalizer, and in Word, no matter what speech synthesizer you're using, NVDA doesn't automatically read the spell checker. After pressing F7, you need to use the object navigation keys to navigate the dialog. I hope that helps.
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Question About Three Document Formatting Options

David Goldfield
 

Hello.

I'm going to be delivering a presentation on installing and configuring NVDA and I'm asking for clarification regarding the following settings.


1. What is the emphasis text toggle used for?

2. What needs to be done to allow the speak line numbers check box to work as expected?

3. The last document setting, Report Formatting Changes Under the Cursor, seems to produce identical behavior, regardless of the state of this check box. What conditions need to be present in order for this toggle to produce different results?

Many thanks.


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Re: Word 2016

Gene
 

I don't do any word processing to speak of.  If I did, I could use Word Starter, which is a limited version of Word by Microsoft, provided by my manufacturer on my Windows 7 machine.  I could use Jarte or Wordpad.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Word 2016

Out of interest Jean what do you use?

On 10/02/2019 20:09, Gene wrote:
Control d takes you to the font dialog as well.  I don't use Word so I don't know if you can do what you want there but that is a longstanding command.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Word 2016

This has not changed in ages.   ALT+H takes you to the Home Ribbon.  Follow that immediately with FF and you're in the Font choices or by FS and you're in the font size for the chosen font.

These are Word commands, not specific to any screen reader.


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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

David Moore
 

Hi Annette!

That is so funny!

Yes, you could think that about Mark LOL! Try taking him down a few notches so he humbles himself LOL!

He is clear, I think so too.

Take care, Annette!

David Moore

 

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Annette Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 5:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

LOL, David! Actually, to me, Mark sounds kind of like a smart alec. I probably need to change his pitch. You know, take him down a few notches? LOL! 😀 He is clear, though.

Annette

On 2/9/2019 2:21 PM, David Moore wrote:

Yes!

I like Microsoft 1 cor Mark much better.

Mark is great!

I don’t like David that well either.

If it was my David Voice you would love it LOL!

David Moore

 

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Annette Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

yeah, David's not bad, but he sounds like he's breathing. Kind of creepy. LOL!

Annette

On 2/9/2019 1:55 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I like the Austtralian female voice I’m using. Can’t think of her name though. Anyway, she’s really responsive. I use her with NVDA. For Narrator I use a male voice coalled Microsoft David.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 2:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

I really like OneCore Zira, but I like her best using NVDA. She reads differently--more slowly or something--in Narrator. I mean, when you do the read-to-end command in NVDA, she reads normally, but no matter how fast you have her going in Narrator, reading to end has her reading more--I don't know, monotone maybe?--than she does in NVDA. I've had to add some extra pronunciations in the voice dictionary, but other than that, I really like that voice! It's very clear and I like that.

Annette

On 2/9/2019 10:00 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 06:09 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

You might like to try the new Microsoft voices. They're pretty good.

Agreed.  I particularly like the OneCore voices you get if you install additional languages (all English dialects, in my case).  They sound virtually human.
 
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

 


Re: Word 2016

James AUSTIN
 

Out of interest Jean what do you use?

On 10/02/2019 20:09, Gene wrote:
Control d takes you to the font dialog as well.  I don't use Word so I don't know if you can do what you want there but that is a longstanding command.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Word 2016

This has not changed in ages.   ALT+H takes you to the Home Ribbon.  Follow that immediately with FF and you're in the Font choices or by FS and you're in the font size for the chosen font.

These are Word commands, not specific to any screen reader.


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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Word 2016

Gene
 

Control d takes you to the font dialog as well.  I don't use Word so I don't know if you can do what you want there but that is a longstanding command.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Word 2016

This has not changed in ages.   ALT+H takes you to the Home Ribbon.  Follow that immediately with FF and you're in the Font choices or by FS and you're in the font size for the chosen font.

These are Word commands, not specific to any screen reader.


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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Word 2016

 

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 03:02 PM, James AUSTIN wrote:
CTRL+ D will also take you to the font dialogue.
I don't know why I constantly forget about this keyboard shortcut, but I do.  It's also far preferable, in my opinion, because it allows you to deal with virtually any formatting related to font, font size, and other effects all in one fell swoop.
 
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Word 2016

Brad Snyder
 

Try using CTRL + D to open the MS Word font dialog.  Also unchanged since the first version of Word for windows.

HTH

- Brad -




On Feb 10, 2019, at 13:57, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

This has not changed in ages.   ALT+H takes you to the Home Ribbon.  Follow that immediately with FF and you're in the Font choices or by FS and you're in the font size for the chosen font.

These are Word commands, not specific to any screen reader.


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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 
 


Re: Word 2016

James AUSTIN
 

CTRL+ D will also take you to the font dialogue. Again this is a Word shortcut not a Screen Reader specific command.


All the best

James

On 10/02/2019 19:57, Brian Vogel wrote:
This has not changed in ages.   ALT+H takes you to the Home Ribbon.  Follow that immediately with FF and you're in the Font choices or by FS and you're in the font size for the chosen font.

These are Word commands, not specific to any screen reader.


--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Word 2016

 

This has not changed in ages.   ALT+H takes you to the Home Ribbon.  Follow that immediately with FF and you're in the Font choices or by FS and you're in the font size for the chosen font.

These are Word commands, not specific to any screen reader.


--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Word 2016

farhan israk
 

How to change font and font size in Microsoft word 2016? I'm able to do it with jaws but not able to do with nvda. How to do with nvda? I'm using Windows 10, jaws 18 and latest nvda.


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Gene
 

I'm not saying the following to give you a hard time, as I explain below.  You have a bias towards JAWS which I'm pointing out because it may give a false impression to some list members.  please reserve such conclusions, if you can, until after you really know NVDA well.  There are ways in which JAWS is more capable, such as being able to have the user define frames to perform actions that make some programs far more easy to use and, in effect, more accessible.  If you use such capabilities, JAWS may be the screen-reader for you to use as your main screen-reader but you appear to underestimate the abilities of NVDA in other areas.
 
As far as I know, screen review is limited to the current window.  But object navigation definitely has no such limitations and you can see things with it you can't see in review mode.  It is equivalent to the Touch Cursor in JAWS but since I haven't used the touch cursor, I can't give a detailed comparison and contrast. 
 
I haven't seen any list members tell you where to get material about such things as object navigation and screen review.  I'll look and send you some information in another message, though I haven't followed such matters as carefully as some list members.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Hi Jean,

 

What I find about screen review mode is that it seems to be restricted to the current window.  Is there any way of unrestricting it?

 

It also doesn’t see everything on screen, probably because of the lack of video hooks, but it certainly isn’t as good as JAWS for screen review.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 09 February 2019 18:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode.  There is also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA.  To read about screen review, you can look at the user guide

 

You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but you would probably be better off using a tutorial.  I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject. 

 

You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation or screen review mode.  Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA.  That moves the mouse to your current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using.  Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.

 

I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask and I'll do so in another message.  I'd have to look it up. 

 

Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous line. and the rest.

 

Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen review.  Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Jed Barton

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor.  Does such an animal exist in NVDA?  Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor.  Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other.  Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse
>> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
>
> Please expand on what you are using in JAWS.   One of the things I think is
> (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the
> mouse.
>
> I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether in
> native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
> illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Sarah k Alawami
 

I love screen review and it does actually catch everything on the screen, at least in the program I have to use it in. I just learned about it last week, so for me this is really cooll.

On 10 Feb 2019, at 8:50, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

What I find about screen review mode is that it seems to be restricted to the current window.  Is there any way of unrestricting it?

 

It also doesn’t see everything on screen, probably because of the lack of video hooks, but it certainly isn’t as good as JAWS for screen review.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 09 February 2019 18:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode.  There is also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA.  To read about screen review, you can look at the user guide

 

You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but you would probably be better off using a tutorial.  I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject. 

 

You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation or screen review mode.  Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA.  That moves the mouse to your current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using.  Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.

 

I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask and I'll do so in another message.  I'd have to look it up. 

 

Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous line. and the rest.

 

Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen review.  Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Jed Barton

Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor.  Does such an animal exist in NVDA?  Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor.  Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other.  Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse
>> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
>
> Please expand on what you are using in JAWS.   One of the things I think is
> (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the
> mouse.
>
> I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether in
> native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
> illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Sarah k Alawami
 

Laptop keys are thus

Switch review modes: nvda plus page up and page down
Move through the screen in screen review mode: nvda plus up down left and right arrows. Add control for words, nvda control home to move to top and nvda end to move to bottom.

Take care

On 9 Feb 2019, at 16:35, Gene wrote:

Also, a correction or addition needs to be made to an earlier message by another list member.  In the desktop keyboard layout, the way you move through the different modes is to hold numpad insert and while doing so, press numpad 7 to move forward through the selections and numpad 1 to move back. 
 
I don't know the laptop layout commands and those may be what were given.  But if you are using the desktop layout, the default, layout, the numpad commands I gave are for switching review modes.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode.  There is also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA.  To read about screen review, you can look at the user guide
 
You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but you would probably be better off using a tutorial.  I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject. 
 
You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation or screen review mode.  Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA.  That moves the mouse to your current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using.  Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.
 
I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask and I'll do so in another message.  I'd have to look it up. 
 
Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous line. and the rest.
 
Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen review.  Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jed Barton
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor.  Does such an animal exist in NVDA?  Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor.  Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other.  Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse
>> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
>
> Please expand on what you are using in JAWS.   One of the things I think is
> (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction with the
> mouse.
>
> I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks, whether in
> native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
> illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>



Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 08:17 AM, Gene wrote:
You can make searching very complicated but it is usually unnecessary.
Yep.  And, like a great many things in life, the best way to learn is by doing.  You eventually perfect a method of generating your search terms that works for you.  Eventually trial and error transitions to "my method."

It's also a zero risk proposition (or very very low) if you're not trying to dig into the dark recesses of the internet.
 
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
it’s Fast Start, not Quick Boot.
Closer, but it's Fast Startup.  You can also turn it on or off via Control Panel, Power Options, Choose what the power button does link, Change settings that are currently unavailable link, then unchecking or checking the checkbox for Turn on fast startup (recommended).  

Of course, I don't recommend fast startup, and immediately turn it off as part of any system configuration I'm doing.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

I know this. But can you move the review cursor out of the active program's window?

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: 10 February 2019 16:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Hello Steve!

The screen review is made to the object focused.
If you use NVDA+NumPad8, you will go to the parent object and screen review will be made to this new object...

Rui Fontes


Às 16:50 de 10/02/2019, Steve Nutt escreveu:
Hi Jean,

What I find about screen review mode is that it seems to be restricted
to the current window. Is there any way of unrestricting it?

It also doesn’t see everything on screen, probably because of the lack
of video hooks, but it certainly isn’t as good as JAWS for screen review.

All the best


Steve

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 09 February 2019 18:26
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode. There is
also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is
equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA. To read about screen review,
you can look at the user guide

You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation
but you would probably be better off using a tutorial. I'll let list
members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject.

You can click the mouse once you move to something using object
navigation or screen review mode. Use the command NVDA key slash, the
mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA. That moves the mouse to your
current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you
are using. Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.

I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to,
ask and I'll do so in another message. I'd have to look it up.

Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such
as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read
previous line. and the rest.

Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using
screen review. Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Jed Barton <mailto:jed@jedbarton.com>

*Sent:*Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor. Does such an animal exist in NVDA? Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor. Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other. Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com
<mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the
mouse >> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
>
> Please expand on what you are using in JAWS. One of the things I
think is > (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in
conjunction with the > mouse.
>
> I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks,
whether in > native form or by installing any of several different
add-ons.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 > >
*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for > illusion is deep.* > > ~ Saul Bellow, To
Jerusalem and Back > > > >


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

Actually they aren't. I don't think that JAWS has any similarity to Object Review mode.

But you may have answered one of my questions. If I untether the review cursor, it may well go outside the window you are in. If it doesn't, then JAWS does this better.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: 09 February 2019 22:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

I think what you would like to know is how to switch between the equivalent of PC Cursor (which is I believe called System Focus in NVDA) and equivalent of Jaws cursor (which is called review cursor or review mode in NVDA). If that's your question, then here is the answer. You don't have to switch between them in NVDA - they coexist. You just use the main inverted T-shaped arrow keys to move system focus and you can use numpad keys to move review cursor. Typically, you only need to use review mode cursor only in places where system focus cannot go. Review cursor is tethered to system cursor by default. Also the numpad keystrokes to control review cursor are very different from Jaws numpad keystrokes, but you can read more in NVDA documentation. Other than that, the two modes in Jaws and NVDA are very similar.

HTH

--Tony

On 2/9/2019 10:52 AM, Jed Barton wrote:
how do you go between object and screen navigation?

On 2/9/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode. There is
also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read
is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA. To read about screen
review, you can look at the user guide

You can look at the user guide for information about object
navigation but you would probably be better off using a tutorial.
I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject.

You can click the mouse once you move to something using object
navigation or screen review mode. Use the command NVDA key slash,
the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA. That moves the mouse to
your current position in object navigation or screen review,
whichever you are using. Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.

I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me
to, ask and I'll do so in another message. I'd have to look it up.

Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys
such as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and
read previous line. and the rest.

Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using
screen review. Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jed Barton
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions


Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we
have the PC and jaws cursor. Does such an animal exist in NVDA?
Obviously there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC
cursor, and some things with the jaws cursor. Then we have the
ability to route from 1 to the other. Can we do the same thing in NVDA?

On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the
mouse in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
Please expand on what you are using in JAWS. One of the things I think
is
(or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction
with the mouse.

I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks,
whether in native form or by installing any of several different
add-ons.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back







Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Rui Fontes
 

Hello Steve!

The screen review is made to the object focused.
If you use NVDA+NumPad8, you will go to the parent object and screen review will be made to this new object...

Rui Fontes


Às 16:50 de 10/02/2019, Steve Nutt escreveu:

Hi Jean,
What I find about screen review mode is that it seems to be restricted to the current window.  Is there any way of unrestricting it?
It also doesn’t see everything on screen, probably because of the lack of video hooks, but it certainly isn’t as good as JAWS for screen review.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 09 February 2019 18:26
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions
The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is screen review mode.  There is also object navigation which, according to what I've heard and read is equivalent to the touch cursor in NVDA.  To read about screen review, you can look at the user guide
You can look at the user guide for information about object navigation but you would probably be better off using a tutorial.  I'll let list members discuss which tutorial they like that deals with the subject.
You can click the mouse once you move to something using object navigation or screen review mode.  Use the command NVDA key slash, the mouse left click key in JAWS and NVDA.  That moves the mouse to your current position in object navigation or screen review, whichever you are using.  Then press slash again, which iss left click, as I said.
I can tell you where to look in the user manual but if you want me to, ask and I'll do so in another message.  I'd have to look it up.
Also, if you don't know them, you need to know screen review keys such as numpad 8 read current line in review, numpad 7, move to and read previous line. and the rest.
Also, remember to always go back to object navigation after using screen review.  Certain things won't work as they should if you don't.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Jed Barton <mailto:jed@jedbarton.com>
*Sent:*Saturday, February 09, 2019 11:47 AM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions
Hey guys,
so i guess what i'm trying to figure out here, ya know in jaws we have
the PC and jaws cursor.  Does such an animal exist in NVDA?  Obviously
there are some things we can access in jaws with the PC cursor, and
some things with the jaws cursor.  Then we have the ability to route
from 1 to the other.  Can we do the same thing in NVDA?
On 2/9/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:54 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I know of no way of efficiently navigating with the mouse
>> in NVDA, using the keyboard. If there is, again, I'd love to hear it.
>
> Please expand on what you are using in JAWS.   One of the things I
think is
> (or at least was) better in NVDA was how it worked in conjunction
with the
> mouse.
>
> I'm trying to figure out what it is you're using that NVDA lacks,
whether in
> native form or by installing any of several different add-ons.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for
> illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>