Date   

Re: NVDA latest beta

Fernando Paixão
 

Friend, sorry, it's the last Alpha please,


is what I'm using with the final 116, what has changed?


Em 29/10/18 19:27, Antony Stone escreveu:

The last beta release I can find was 2018.3.1rc1 on September 19th.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/commits/4323a48c7c1cfa798ae4320b23426072d667452b 
is the changelog for it.

If you know of a more recent beta version, please give us a link to it.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 29 October 2018 at 21:56:46, Fernando Paixão wrote:

Hello, good evening everyone would like to know, which was improved on
NVDA latest beta that came out today



-- https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6890 - providing 16 million IPv4 addresses for talking to yourself. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.


Re: NVDA latest beta

Antony Stone
 

The last beta release I can find was 2018.3.1rc1 on September 19th.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/commits/4323a48c7c1cfa798ae4320b23426072d667452b
is the changelog for it.

If you know of a more recent beta version, please give us a link to it.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 29 October 2018 at 21:56:46, Fernando Paixão wrote:

Hello, good evening everyone would like to know, which was improved on
NVDA latest beta that came out today


--
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6890 - providing 16 million IPv4 addresses for
talking to yourself.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


NVDA latest beta

Fernando Paixão
 

Hello, good evening everyone would like to know, which was improved on NVDA latest beta that came out today


Re: Phonetic spelling

Gene
 

Janet and all
 
Numpad 8 pressed three times will spell every word in the current line.  if you just want to spell the word you are on, use numpad 5 pressed three times.  For the current character, use numpad 2 three times.  do you know the review keys so you can move using the numpad without moving the cursor if that's what you want to do?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Phonetic spelling

hello.
on the contrary, i hate this feature.
its annoying if i press insert up arrow more than twice accidentaly.
its on by default since nvda 2017.2 and unfortunately there is no any
option to disable it.
just press nvda up arrow three times to make this feature work.

On 10/29/18, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
> Hello,
> How can I turn on phonetic spelling in NVDA? I’m learning Spanish and need
> to see the spelling of the words. It’s sometimes difficult to determine the
> right vowel as the sounds can be very similar.
> Thanks,
> Jan
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: Reading "Say All" at the Top of the Page

Gene
 

It isn't clear, but I think you are asking about a web page. 
 
F5 refreshes the web page.  That isn't necessary.  Use control home, the exact command you use to move to the top of any document.  Browse mode uses all the same commands you can use in any standard edit field, control home for top of document, control end for end, etc.  Browse mode emulates a cursor being present even though there isn't one.
 
Do you know the quick navigation commands such as h for move to the next heading, e, move to the next edit field, n, skip block of links, etc?
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Reading "Say All" at the Top of the Page

Hello,

 

Suppose I am in Edit mode, and I want to switch to “Say All” mode, and start reading from the beginning of the page, not where I left off. What I currently do is press Insert + space. Then I press Insert + F5 to get me to the beginning of the page, then I Press Insert + down arrow to start reading from the beginning of the page.

 

Is there a more direct way to accomplish this?

 

 

 


 


----------------------------------------- This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you.



Re: NVDA and task manager

Gene
 

It isn't clear to me what is happening.  When you press the end task button, the end task dialog comes up and asks if you are sure.  When you answer yes, that dialog closes and the task ends.  When do you see the dialog and if you respond, what happens?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:40 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and task manager

before moving to NVDA 20183.x If I deleted a task in task manager it would move me to the next task in line. Now when I delete a task focus moves to the "end task" dialog instead of staying in the list of tasks.


Re: strange sounds in Windows settings

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'm thinkign that is a progress bar. If you have a mic attached or somethingn it will do that. Mine does that all the time, I just turn progress bars off or control tab to the choices section.


On 28 Oct 2018, at 11:01, Giles Turnbull wrote:

Hi all,

I have another curious sound problem with NVDA. Wehn I go into Win10 settings I often get a lot of garbled beeping whilst NVDA is speaking. It does this on my current laptop and it was doing it on my old laptop too.

I've made a short recording as an example becuase it's hard to describe without the audio. It was doing this in the bluetooth settings and the sound settings today.

http://gilesturnbullpoet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Win10-settings-noise_REC007.mp3

and, in case the post truncates the link, here's a shorter version which you just need to copy and paste into the address bar and delete the spaces: https:// bit.ly/ 2OaTHqv

Is there a reason NVDA does this and is there any way of working around it?

Thanks,

Giles


Re: Where can I find a complete list of Windows shortcut keys?

 

P.S.:  There is a dropdown at the top of the previously mentioned page that lets you select from Windows 10, Windows 8.1, and Windows 7 with regard to shortcuts.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)

 

 


Re: Where can I find a complete list of Windows shortcut keys?

 

From the Microsoft Support site:  Windows 10 Keyboard Shortcuts 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance.  Huge.  We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors.

      ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)

 

 


Where can I find a complete list of Windows shortcut keys?

John J. Boyer
 

Everything: with the Windows key, the control key, alt space. When I search for "Windows shortcut keys" I get a brief
explanation of what shortcut keys are for and a list of a few.

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Re: Thinking of buying a computer

Gerardo Corripio
 

Yes me too. Mine is an HP Pavilion, with the numberic keyboard on the right, 15.6-inch, but no idea of the exact model ornumber. I’ve had it since last MOnday, and so far so good.

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: matthew dyer
Enviado: lunes, 29 de octubre de 2018 12:28 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Thinking of buying a computer

 

Hi,

 

I have an HP notebook with windows 10 1803 and the built in keyboard with a numpad.  It works just fine for me and I have been using it for a few weeks now.

 

HTH.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 6:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thinking of buying a computer

 

I would suggest HP.

I have been using the same HP Envy convertable for 3 years now. 

either HP or Dell. 

I personally prefer HP. 

 


On Oct 28, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Arnþór Helgason <arnthor.helgason@...> wrote:

I am considering to update my Eiser labtop.

Some people recommend the Lenovo computers, but others have pointed out some incompatibility with the keyboard.

I usually use an USB-keyboard and very seldom the built-in board on the computer.

 

Any comments reganding Lenovo and NVDA?

 

Best regards,

Arnthor

---

 

Arnþór Helgason,

Vináttusendiherra/Friendship Ambassador

Tjarnarbóli 14,

170 Seltjarnarnesi.

Farsími | Mobile: +354 8973766

arnthor.helgason@...

arnthor.helgason@...

http://arnthorhelgason.blog.is

http://hljod.blog.is

 


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials: try builds for hunting Google Chrome address bar problem

Jacob Kruger
 

Joseph, I have bookmarks toolbar turned on, and, don't experience this issue - closest come at times is that, very occasionally, I will need to switch focus to document contents after having typed in a URL, but, there, hitting F6 key twice jumps firstly to bookmarks toolbar, and then after that, to document contents.


If relevant, I am running dev version of win 10 app essentials, but, probably not relevant.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2018-10-29 5:50 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Thanks. At least we’re getting somewhere, and that’s the first thing I thought that could cause problems. I’ll wait for more reports to come in before releasing a follow-up try build.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials: try builds for hunting Google Chrome address bar problem

 

On my system Build 4 (backporting UIA performance fix from 2018.4)  started causing the issue. 

Again only happens when show bookmarks bar is enabled.

On 10/29/2018 10:33 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

Given reports of issues with Google Chrome when using Windows 10 App Essentials 18.11, I would like your help in tracking this down. Below is a series of links to try builds for you to try:

 

Build 1 (shortly after release of Windows 10 App Essentials 18.10.1, the last version known to not cause problems for Chrome users): https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdaaddons/wintenApps-try20181029.1.nvda-addon

 

Build 2 (address auto-complete in Edge): https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdaaddons/wintenApps-try20181029.2.nvda-addon

 

Build 3 (changes made for Action Center): https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdaaddons/wintenApps-try20181029.3.nvda-addon

 

Build 4 (backporting UIA performance fix from 2018.4): https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdaaddons/wintenApps-try20181029.4.nvda-addon

Build 5 (shortly before release of Windows 10 App Essentials 18.11): https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdaaddons/wintenApps-try20181029.5.nvda-addon

For these try builds:

 

  1. Install each of them in order. Ignore NVDA when it prompts you to update add-ons.
  2. After installing each build, use Chrome’s address bar to search for something and try navigating to search results.
  3. Be sure to let me know immediately when you encounter the problem where you have to use Alt+Tab to switch focus back to Chrome. When this happens, be sure to note down the build number you’ve just installed so I can track it down.

 

Once we find out which build is responsible for introducing this regression, I’ll send out one or two follow-up try builds to test changes. After that, the fix will be deployed to other systems – first to development snapshot users, followed by the general public in the form of version 18.11.1.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Thinking of buying a computer

matthew dyer <ilovecountrymusic483@...>
 

Hi,

 

I have an HP notebook with windows 10 1803 and the built in keyboard with a numpad.  It works just fine for me and I have been using it for a few weeks now.

 

HTH.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 6:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thinking of buying a computer

 

I would suggest HP.

I have been using the same HP Envy convertable for 3 years now. 

either HP or Dell. 

I personally prefer HP. 

 


On Oct 28, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Arnþór Helgason <arnthor.helgason@...> wrote:

I am considering to update my Eiser labtop.

Some people recommend the Lenovo computers, but others have pointed out some incompatibility with the keyboard.

I usually use an USB-keyboard and very seldom the built-in board on the computer.

 

Any comments reganding Lenovo and NVDA?

 

Best regards,

Arnthor

---

 

Arnþór Helgason,

Vináttusendiherra/Friendship Ambassador

Tjarnarbóli 14,

170 Seltjarnarnesi.

Farsími | Mobile: +354 8973766

arnthor.helgason@...

arnthor.helgason@...

http://arnthorhelgason.blog.is

http://hljod.blog.is


Re: MBROLA now is open source software

 

I thought it was already open source. For everyone else, the link is below, again. This is great! This means that more can create synths

https://github.com/numediart/MBROLA


Re: Phonetic spelling

 

hello.
on the contrary, i hate this feature.
its annoying if i press insert up arrow more than twice accidentaly.
its on by default since nvda 2017.2 and unfortunately there is no any
option to disable it.
just press nvda up arrow three times to make this feature work.

On 10/29/18, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
Hello,
How can I turn on phonetic spelling in NVDA? I’m learning Spanish and need
to see the spelling of the words. It’s sometimes difficult to determine the
right vowel as the sounds can be very similar.
Thanks,
Jan



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Phonetic spelling

Janet Brandly
 

Hello,
How can I turn on phonetic spelling in NVDA? I’m learning Spanish and need to see the spelling of the words. It’s sometimes difficult to determine the right vowel as the sounds can be very similar.
Thanks,
Jan


Re: In-Process for 26th October

 

i disabled it easily by changing javascript.enabled in about:config
i really hate it and nvda 2017.2 does not work for me with this
feature enabled and even caused my keyboard lock and not responding
for some second or even sometimes one or two minutes!
2017.1 has not problem of locking keyboard, but its very slow and
makes my system very hot when javascript is enabled.

On 10/29/18, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
Javascript will very likely be around for a long time. Most webpages
depend on it to varying degrees these days. If you want to pay bills
online, order stuff, etc, then you'll need a javascript-enabled
browser. Indeed, though it used to be that there was an option to
disable it, I haven't seen that in a very long time. It's just a tool.
&, as w/any tool, it can be put to good & bad uses.

On 10/29/18, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
i believe javascript is the source of different kind of problems!
i wish that javascript will be removed in the near future from internet.
from vulnerabilities until heavy usage of system resources and heating
my laptop and dynamic web pages and conflict and accessibility
problems for screen readers!
i really hate dynamic web pages and updating web browsers!
i wish static web pages with specific version of browsers without
updating.
as you know, i never use firefox quantum and firefox 52 is sufficient
for me forever.

On 10/29/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It appears to me that this needs further discussion and clarification.
I
don't know if this is still the case, but in the past, quite some time
ago,
I could stop most repetitions of clickable from being spoken by turning
JAVA
scripts off. I could also, as I recall, stop most erroneous clickable
announcements by doing so. I'd have to experiment with this to see if
my
memory is correct. And, as I said, I don't know if more current
versions
of
NVDA have this repetition and erroneous clickable announcements. But if
they do, I think that is likely what is generating most of the negative
messages received concerning clickable. I am not assuming anything, I
haven't looked at this for a long time, I have clickable off, and I
don't
have a system that can run recent NVDA versions, but I'm raising the
question about whether NVDA is misreading something in JAVA script that
is
causing these problems. I don't recall either erroneous clickable
announcements in JAWS nore multiple repetitions of clickable before the
text
or control is read. This, I hope, will be further discussed by those
using
the current NVDA.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 2:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 26th October


You can turn it off. You can find the setting in documeht formatting.
if
you need information about that dialog, we will provide it.

I don't have clickable on. Iff I am on a site and I don't see a way,
such
as a link, a button, or another control that is read, to do something,
then
I press enter on the text that logically is applicable, if any. While
it
may be that rarely, I might want to turn clickable on to be sure about
whether there is or isn't a clickable control to do what I want, it is
so
rare, that I don't remember if or when I did so. Logic and inference is
important in using the Internet well.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jackie
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 26th October


Well, I actually responded to the email that was provided for a
response in the request. I indicated that for me, there have been
countless times when an object was clickable, but because the web
developer in question didn't make it a link or a button, it would be
impossible to know that unless NVDA said "clickable". I did also
indicate that saying it multiple times was beyond annoying.
Additionally, I also suggested that there be a way to toggle the
feature on or off, per user preference. It's incorrect to assume that
because folks didn't respond positively on list that no one likes the
feature. I rather suspect instead that many of us simply used the
private email w/which we were provided.

If web authors would develop according to WCAG, there would be no need
for the feature. They don't; thus, there is. If you're fortunate
enough to visit only those websites that adhere to those standards,
then great. If on the other hand, you find yourself visiting a
multiplicity of sites, many of which do not conform to accessibility
guidelines, then it helps to know that an element can be interacted
with, because all indications are that it cannot.

They were looking for positive responses because they simply wanted to
see if anyone found it useful, & perhaps get an estimate of how many
that might be. They didn't want to just axe a feature because some
folks commented negatively on it. Those who find things useful usually
don't comment, so all they're bound to hear is the negative ones.

On 10/28/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't keep up with current versions of NVDA because I don't have
machines
they are compatible with. In the old days, NVDA used to say clickable
much
too often, repeating it many times before it read the text that was
supposed
to be clickable. Often, this text wasn't actually clickable. I don't
know
that because I tried clicking on everything announced as such, but the
context made it obvious. Has this problem been corrected? I would
think
that if it has and only clickable items are announced, this wouldn't be
a
problem. But perhaps one reason you get so much negative reaction is
if
the
problem hasn't been corrected.

But why limit the inquiry to clickable items? Why are block quotes
announced by default and lists. I don't know how others find such
information being announced by default but to me, it's clutter. What
about
landmarks? I never use the landmark announcement but I don't know if
they
are useful. I also wonder whether, even if they are useful, they
discourage
people from learning how to navigate sites without them efficiently.
My
concern is that if you become too dependent on special accessibility
accomodations, where a lot of sites don't have them, it may discourage
many
people from using sites that don't. I started using the Internet
before
any
of these accomodations but when discussions such as this come up, I
wonder
about such questions.

There may be things I don't know such as that a lot of smaller sites
use
landmarks and use them properly but I don't know if that's the case and
I
suspect that a lot of sites don't use them at all.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 26th October


Remember, your request was only four people to reply with positive. How
is
it used for? I for instance don’t like it and find it worthless. But I
did
not respond, because you were looking for positive responses. So the
fact
that you got 50-50 tells me that there are a lot more who don’t like it
then
those who do. Those of us who respected your request are screwed. Get
rid
of
it! Or at least make it possible for those of us who have not found it
helpful to shut it off.

Mary



On Oct 28, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
wrote:


Re clickable, the comments from everyone seem divided between "it can
be
really useful so I leave it on" and "it's really annoying and not
useful
most of the time, get rid of it". I think it perhaps also depends on
the
sites you visit and how readily you turn out of superfluous information
being read. A very good example of that people are much more likely to
complain about what doesn't work than praise what does - I think all
the
feedback we had received on clickable previously had been about how
annoying
it was and that it read clickable when it really wasn't helpful.


Re predictive text Adriani, I must admit I hadn't used it myself
until
someone asked last week and I tried it out. I think if you are
proficient
with a physical keyboard, it's probably not so useful for an average
user
on
PC where you are most likely already typing on a physical keyboard.
But
it
could definitely be a lifesaver for some users so it's good that it's
there.




On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 5:50 PM Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Its better than saying nothing. Sometimes in the shark these are
also
ambiguous, one suspects because the info exposed on what they do is
incomplete and so one has to just indicate they are there to
supposedly
do
something. I often wonder at the logic of page design when nobody
knows

quite what they will get when they use a control.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 26th October


Hey Quentin,



I am replying to this e-mail after reading the last in-process.



For me at least, saying “clickable” does not help in deducting if I
have
to
do it or not. In fact, most times “clickable” does not perform an
action
at
all when pressing enter on it.



Regarding profiles, i am using profiles for MS Excel, MS Word, MS
Outlook
and Firefox. At work I am using profiles for SAP web based services
because
they have thousants of tables which in fact are only layout tables
but
NVDA
recognize them as normal tables. So I have to use profiles to
disable
tables
because otherwise I get crazy when navigating through the complex
pages.



Windows 10 predictible text is a new function to me, but I find it
more

useful for tablests and smartfones. I don’t use it on normal
keyboards.
But
I guess it is a very good feature for people with motoric
disabilities.





Best

Adriani





Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von
Quentin
Christensen
Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Oktober 2018 08:20
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] In-Process for 26th October



Hi everyone,



This week's In-Process is out. Today, we have more information
about
the

recently released NVDA 2018.3.2, a shout out to GlitchedVision for
his
innovative fundraiser, and not one but two quick tutorials - on
Configuration Profiles, & Predictive Text in Windows 10. Enjoy!



https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-26th-october-2018/



Regards



Quentin.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
available:
<http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



<http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org

Facebook: <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess















--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/


www.nvaccess.org

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess





--
Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe
Jackie McBride
Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time
https://brighter-vision.com






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




--
Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe
Jackie McBride
Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time
https://brighter-vision.com



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: In-Process for 26th October

Jackie
 

Javascript will very likely be around for a long time. Most webpages
depend on it to varying degrees these days. If you want to pay bills
online, order stuff, etc, then you'll need a javascript-enabled
browser. Indeed, though it used to be that there was an option to
disable it, I haven't seen that in a very long time. It's just a tool.
&, as w/any tool, it can be put to good & bad uses.

On 10/29/18, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
i believe javascript is the source of different kind of problems!
i wish that javascript will be removed in the near future from internet.
from vulnerabilities until heavy usage of system resources and heating
my laptop and dynamic web pages and conflict and accessibility
problems for screen readers!
i really hate dynamic web pages and updating web browsers!
i wish static web pages with specific version of browsers without updating.
as you know, i never use firefox quantum and firefox 52 is sufficient
for me forever.

On 10/29/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It appears to me that this needs further discussion and clarification. I
don't know if this is still the case, but in the past, quite some time
ago,
I could stop most repetitions of clickable from being spoken by turning
JAVA
scripts off. I could also, as I recall, stop most erroneous clickable
announcements by doing so. I'd have to experiment with this to see if my
memory is correct. And, as I said, I don't know if more current versions
of
NVDA have this repetition and erroneous clickable announcements. But if
they do, I think that is likely what is generating most of the negative
messages received concerning clickable. I am not assuming anything, I
haven't looked at this for a long time, I have clickable off, and I don't
have a system that can run recent NVDA versions, but I'm raising the
question about whether NVDA is misreading something in JAVA script that
is
causing these problems. I don't recall either erroneous clickable
announcements in JAWS nore multiple repetitions of clickable before the
text
or control is read. This, I hope, will be further discussed by those
using
the current NVDA.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 2:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 26th October


You can turn it off. You can find the setting in documeht formatting.
if
you need information about that dialog, we will provide it.

I don't have clickable on. Iff I am on a site and I don't see a way,
such
as a link, a button, or another control that is read, to do something,
then
I press enter on the text that logically is applicable, if any. While it
may be that rarely, I might want to turn clickable on to be sure about
whether there is or isn't a clickable control to do what I want, it is so
rare, that I don't remember if or when I did so. Logic and inference is
important in using the Internet well.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jackie
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 26th October


Well, I actually responded to the email that was provided for a
response in the request. I indicated that for me, there have been
countless times when an object was clickable, but because the web
developer in question didn't make it a link or a button, it would be
impossible to know that unless NVDA said "clickable". I did also
indicate that saying it multiple times was beyond annoying.
Additionally, I also suggested that there be a way to toggle the
feature on or off, per user preference. It's incorrect to assume that
because folks didn't respond positively on list that no one likes the
feature. I rather suspect instead that many of us simply used the
private email w/which we were provided.

If web authors would develop according to WCAG, there would be no need
for the feature. They don't; thus, there is. If you're fortunate
enough to visit only those websites that adhere to those standards,
then great. If on the other hand, you find yourself visiting a
multiplicity of sites, many of which do not conform to accessibility
guidelines, then it helps to know that an element can be interacted
with, because all indications are that it cannot.

They were looking for positive responses because they simply wanted to
see if anyone found it useful, & perhaps get an estimate of how many
that might be. They didn't want to just axe a feature because some
folks commented negatively on it. Those who find things useful usually
don't comment, so all they're bound to hear is the negative ones.

On 10/28/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't keep up with current versions of NVDA because I don't have
machines
they are compatible with. In the old days, NVDA used to say clickable
much
too often, repeating it many times before it read the text that was
supposed
to be clickable. Often, this text wasn't actually clickable. I don't
know
that because I tried clicking on everything announced as such, but the
context made it obvious. Has this problem been corrected? I would
think
that if it has and only clickable items are announced, this wouldn't be
a
problem. But perhaps one reason you get so much negative reaction is if
the
problem hasn't been corrected.

But why limit the inquiry to clickable items? Why are block quotes
announced by default and lists. I don't know how others find such
information being announced by default but to me, it's clutter. What
about
landmarks? I never use the landmark announcement but I don't know if
they
are useful. I also wonder whether, even if they are useful, they
discourage
people from learning how to navigate sites without them efficiently. My
concern is that if you become too dependent on special accessibility
accomodations, where a lot of sites don't have them, it may discourage
many
people from using sites that don't. I started using the Internet before
any
of these accomodations but when discussions such as this come up, I
wonder
about such questions.

There may be things I don't know such as that a lot of smaller sites use
landmarks and use them properly but I don't know if that's the case and
I
suspect that a lot of sites don't use them at all.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 9:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 26th October


Remember, your request was only four people to reply with positive. How
is
it used for? I for instance don’t like it and find it worthless. But I
did
not respond, because you were looking for positive responses. So the
fact
that you got 50-50 tells me that there are a lot more who don’t like it
then
those who do. Those of us who respected your request are screwed. Get
rid
of
it! Or at least make it possible for those of us who have not found it
helpful to shut it off.

Mary



On Oct 28, 2018, at 6:54 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
wrote:


Re clickable, the comments from everyone seem divided between "it can
be
really useful so I leave it on" and "it's really annoying and not useful
most of the time, get rid of it". I think it perhaps also depends on
the
sites you visit and how readily you turn out of superfluous information
being read. A very good example of that people are much more likely to
complain about what doesn't work than praise what does - I think all the
feedback we had received on clickable previously had been about how
annoying
it was and that it read clickable when it really wasn't helpful.


Re predictive text Adriani, I must admit I hadn't used it myself until
someone asked last week and I tried it out. I think if you are
proficient
with a physical keyboard, it's probably not so useful for an average
user
on
PC where you are most likely already typing on a physical keyboard. But
it
could definitely be a lifesaver for some users so it's good that it's
there.




On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 5:50 PM Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Its better than saying nothing. Sometimes in the shark these are
also
ambiguous, one suspects because the info exposed on what they do is
incomplete and so one has to just indicate they are there to
supposedly
do
something. I often wonder at the logic of page design when nobody
knows

quite what they will get when they use a control.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process for 26th October


Hey Quentin,



I am replying to this e-mail after reading the last in-process.



For me at least, saying “clickable” does not help in deducting if I
have
to
do it or not. In fact, most times “clickable” does not perform an
action
at
all when pressing enter on it.



Regarding profiles, i am using profiles for MS Excel, MS Word, MS
Outlook
and Firefox. At work I am using profiles for SAP web based services
because
they have thousants of tables which in fact are only layout tables
but
NVDA
recognize them as normal tables. So I have to use profiles to
disable
tables
because otherwise I get crazy when navigating through the complex
pages.



Windows 10 predictible text is a new function to me, but I find it
more

useful for tablests and smartfones. I don’t use it on normal
keyboards.
But
I guess it is a very good feature for people with motoric
disabilities.





Best

Adriani





Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von
Quentin
Christensen
Gesendet: Freitag, 26. Oktober 2018 08:20
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] In-Process for 26th October



Hi everyone,



This week's In-Process is out. Today, we have more information about
the

recently released NVDA 2018.3.2, a shout out to GlitchedVision for
his
innovative fundraiser, and not one but two quick tutorials - on
Configuration Profiles, & Predictive Text in Windows 10. Enjoy!



https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-26th-october-2018/



Regards



Quentin.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
available:
<http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



<http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org

Facebook: <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess















--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/


www.nvaccess.org

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess





--
Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe
Jackie McBride
Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time
https://brighter-vision.com






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



--
Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe
Jackie McBride
Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time
https://brighter-vision.com


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials: try builds for hunting Google Chrome address bar problem

 

Hi,

Thanks. At least we’re getting somewhere, and that’s the first thing I thought that could cause problems. I’ll wait for more reports to come in before releasing a follow-up try build.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials: try builds for hunting Google Chrome address bar problem

 

On my system Build 4 (backporting UIA performance fix from 2018.4)  started causing the issue. 

Again only happens when show bookmarks bar is enabled.

On 10/29/2018 10:33 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

Given reports of issues with Google Chrome when using Windows 10 App Essentials 18.11, I would like your help in tracking this down. Below is a series of links to try builds for you to try:

 

Build 1 (shortly after release of Windows 10 App Essentials 18.10.1, the last version known to not cause problems for Chrome users): https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdaaddons/wintenApps-try20181029.1.nvda-addon

 

Build 2 (address auto-complete in Edge): https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdaaddons/wintenApps-try20181029.2.nvda-addon

 

Build 3 (changes made for Action Center): https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdaaddons/wintenApps-try20181029.3.nvda-addon

 

Build 4 (backporting UIA performance fix from 2018.4): https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdaaddons/wintenApps-try20181029.4.nvda-addon

Build 5 (shortly before release of Windows 10 App Essentials 18.11): https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdaaddons/wintenApps-try20181029.5.nvda-addon

For these try builds:

 

  1. Install each of them in order. Ignore NVDA when it prompts you to update add-ons.
  2. After installing each build, use Chrome’s address bar to search for something and try navigating to search results.
  3. Be sure to let me know immediately when you encounter the problem where you have to use Alt+Tab to switch focus back to Chrome. When this happens, be sure to note down the build number you’ve just installed so I can track it down.

 

Once we find out which build is responsible for introducing this regression, I’ll send out one or two follow-up try builds to test changes. After that, the fix will be deployed to other systems – first to development snapshot users, followed by the general public in the form of version 18.11.1.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials: try builds for hunting Google Chrome address bar problem

Don H
 

On my system Build 4 (backporting UIA performance fix from 2018.4)  started causing the issue. 

Again only happens when show bookmarks bar is enabled.

On 10/29/2018 10:33 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

Given reports of issues with Google Chrome when using Windows 10 App Essentials 18.11, I would like your help in tracking this down. Below is a series of links to try builds for you to try:

 

Build 1 (shortly after release of Windows 10 App Essentials 18.10.1, the last version known to not cause problems for Chrome users): https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdaaddons/wintenApps-try20181029.1.nvda-addon

 

Build 2 (address auto-complete in Edge): https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdaaddons/wintenApps-try20181029.2.nvda-addon

 

Build 3 (changes made for Action Center): https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdaaddons/wintenApps-try20181029.3.nvda-addon

 

Build 4 (backporting UIA performance fix from 2018.4): https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdaaddons/wintenApps-try20181029.4.nvda-addon

Build 5 (shortly before release of Windows 10 App Essentials 18.11): https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdaaddons/wintenApps-try20181029.5.nvda-addon

For these try builds:

 

  1. Install each of them in order. Ignore NVDA when it prompts you to update add-ons.
  2. After installing each build, use Chrome’s address bar to search for something and try navigating to search results.
  3. Be sure to let me know immediately when you encounter the problem where you have to use Alt+Tab to switch focus back to Chrome. When this happens, be sure to note down the build number you’ve just installed so I can track it down.

 

Once we find out which build is responsible for introducing this regression, I’ll send out one or two follow-up try builds to test changes. After that, the fix will be deployed to other systems – first to development snapshot users, followed by the general public in the form of version 18.11.1.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph