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Re: issues with quick nav of thunderbird and NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

I started having the problem where quick nav wasn't working at all.  I took a look around and discovered that there had been an extension installed called Lightning.  I looked into it and decided I didn't want it.  I removed it and now my quick nav extension is working perfectly.


You might want to see if you have this extension installed and ifg you do remove it.  I bet your quick nav will start working again.  You could just disable it to test this first before removing it.


Dan Beaver

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Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: NVDA says cannot verify my Vocalizer License

Socheat Muth
 

Hi Rui,

Thanks. I have sent you a private mail. The problem that you don't see the activation asociated with my license for now is, when I got that message, I have deactivated the license from the computer to prevent any issues to the license. That's why you don't see the activation record on my license.

Thanks.

On 8/12/2020 3:21 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!


Please, send us, in private to tiflotecnia@..., a NVDA log file...

Something is not right, since we do not have any record that you have activated the license after installing Windows...

The last record is the deactivation...


Best regards,


Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 23:43 de 12/08/2020, Socheat Muth escreveu:
Yes, I did deactivate my license before I reinstall Windows. Don't know why it did this, as I never had the issue before. And I am the only one who currently using the license. And only one computer being activated though.

On 8/12/2020 1:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Could be a system outage, did you deactivate before you reset the system.

You may have to ask code factory or atguys or whoever you got things from for a licence reset.

I have never had this, there are wwarnings to make sure you deactivate or you will lose your licence seat and may have to rebuy the product again, they warn you several times,  never the less you can still ask, as long as you had a legitimate issue they may just reset it for you.



On 13/08/2020 9:52 am, Socheat Muth wrote:
Hi all,


I just wiped out my PC, and installed a fresh copy of Windows. WHen I activate vocalizer on the machine, I got the following message.


Your license can not be verified. Please check the following:
1. Your credentials (email and password) are correct (you can change them under the vocalizer
expressive menu)
2. You are not using someone else's activation or you are not using the same activation in
different computers at the same time. This is not legal, and is against license terms.
3. You are having internet problems.
For further clarification, please contact tiflotecnia, Lda, or your local dealer.

OK


Could anyone tell me what exactly is the problem? I can use it just fine. But the message keep showing whenever I restart NVDA or restart my computer.


Thanks.






Re: problem with search edit box in folders

seb naudet
 

Hello Joseph,

yes it says searchui is loaded andsearchapp.exe is running.

is it a problem with NVDA or something i have to modify in windows?

thank you

Le 12/08/2020 à 00:44, Joseph Lee a écrit :
Hi,
I think I know why this is happening. But just to verify, from File Explorer, press Control+E to focus to search field. Wait about ten seconds then press Control+NVDA+F1. If it says "searchui" or "searchapp", then yes, this is Windows Search interface, not File Explorer. I look forward to a day when I can sleep better at nights knowing that folks don't have to install Windows 10 App Essentials add-on to use many features.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 3:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

Very strange.
I can't really comment on the window not refreshing (I'm guessing visually the info is there but NVDA doesn't "see it" til you return to the window) But to me there doesn't seem a huge difference between pressing enter and down arrow.
Unfortunately I can't totally recall how things seemed to work before, but I seem to recall search populating as I was typing into the box.
So for example in my "films" folder I could start typing "holocaust" into the search box and after a few letters "cannibal holocaust" would be there, etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb naudet
Sent: August 11, 2020 4:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

yes i have to refresh the window with alt tab.

if i don't, folder list is not filtered, and sometimes i'm stuck in anempty window.

in previous windows version i only had to down arrow to display search results.

like in start menu.



Le 11/08/2020 à 21:57, JM Casey a écrit :

I've had to press enter for a while now. Not sure when it started but maybe an update or so ago for me (and I'm still on 1909). But alt-tab? That is strange. You mean there is a separate window coming up? Or are results not showing up until you return to your initial file explorer window..maybe not being recognised by nVDA?



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb
naudet
Sent: August 11, 2020 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with search edit box in folders

Hello list,

i've recently updated my windows 10 pro (64-bit) Version 2004
(10.0.19041)

and last NVDA available.

when i search for a file in a folder i now have to press enter after typing the name, and alt tab to see the result of my search.

quite complicate compared with previous version of windows.

any idea to simplify access to search results?


thank you










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Re: NVDA says cannot verify my Vocalizer License

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Please, send us, in private to tiflotecnia@..., a NVDA log file...

Something is not right, since we do not have any record that you have activated the license after installing Windows...

The last record is the deactivation...


Best regards,


Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 23:43 de 12/08/2020, Socheat Muth escreveu:

Yes, I did deactivate my license before I reinstall Windows. Don't know why it did this, as I never had the issue before. And I am the only one who currently using the license. And only one computer being activated though.

On 8/12/2020 1:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Could be a system outage, did you deactivate before you reset the system.

You may have to ask code factory or atguys or whoever you got things from for a licence reset.

I have never had this, there are wwarnings to make sure you deactivate or you will lose your licence seat and may have to rebuy the product again, they warn you several times,  never the less you can still ask, as long as you had a legitimate issue they may just reset it for you.



On 13/08/2020 9:52 am, Socheat Muth wrote:
Hi all,


I just wiped out my PC, and installed a fresh copy of Windows. WHen I activate vocalizer on the machine, I got the following message.


Your license can not be verified. Please check the following:
1. Your credentials (email and password) are correct (you can change them under the vocalizer
expressive menu)
2. You are not using someone else's activation or you are not using the same activation in
different computers at the same time. This is not legal, and is against license terms.
3. You are having internet problems.
For further clarification, please contact tiflotecnia, Lda, or your local dealer.

OK


Could anyone tell me what exactly is the problem? I can use it just fine. But the message keep showing whenever I restart NVDA or restart my computer.


Thanks.





Re: NVDA says cannot verify my Vocalizer License

Socheat Muth
 

Yes, I did deactivate my license before I reinstall Windows. Don't know why it did this, as I never had the issue before. And I am the only one who currently using the license. And only one computer being activated though.

On 8/12/2020 1:29 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Could be a system outage, did you deactivate before you reset the system.

You may have to ask code factory or atguys or whoever you got things from for a licence reset.

I have never had this, there are wwarnings to make sure you deactivate or you will lose your licence seat and may have to rebuy the product again, they warn you several times,  never the less you can still ask, as long as you had a legitimate issue they may just reset it for you.



On 13/08/2020 9:52 am, Socheat Muth wrote:
Hi all,


I just wiped out my PC, and installed a fresh copy of Windows. WHen I activate vocalizer on the machine, I got the following message.


Your license can not be verified. Please check the following:
1. Your credentials (email and password) are correct (you can change them under the vocalizer
expressive menu)
2. You are not using someone else's activation or you are not using the same activation in
different computers at the same time. This is not legal, and is against license terms.
3. You are having internet problems.
For further clarification, please contact tiflotecnia, Lda, or your local dealer.

OK


Could anyone tell me what exactly is the problem? I can use it just fine. But the message keep showing whenever I restart NVDA or restart my computer.


Thanks.




Re: NVDA says cannot verify my Vocalizer License

 

Could be a system outage, did you deactivate before you reset the system.

You may have to ask code factory or atguys or whoever you got things from for a licence reset.

I have never had this, there are wwarnings to make sure you deactivate or you will lose your licence seat and may have to rebuy the product again, they warn you several times,  never the less you can still ask, as long as you had a legitimate issue they may just reset it for you.

On 13/08/2020 9:52 am, Socheat Muth wrote:
Hi all,


I just wiped out my PC, and installed a fresh copy of Windows. WHen I activate vocalizer on the machine, I got the following message.


Your license can not be verified. Please check the following:
1. Your credentials (email and password) are correct (you can change them under the vocalizer
expressive menu)
2. You are not using someone else's activation or you are not using the same activation in
different computers at the same time. This is not legal, and is against license terms.
3. You are having internet problems.
For further clarification, please contact tiflotecnia, Lda, or your local dealer.

OK


Could anyone tell me what exactly is the problem? I can use it just fine. But the message keep showing whenever I restart NVDA or restart my computer.


Thanks.



NVDA says cannot verify my Vocalizer License

Socheat Muth
 

Hi all,


I just wiped out my PC, and installed a fresh copy of Windows. WHen I activate vocalizer on the machine, I got the following message.


Your license can not be verified. Please check the following:
1. Your credentials (email and password) are correct (you can change them under the vocalizer
expressive menu)
2. You are not using someone else's activation or you are not using the same activation in
different computers at the same time. This is not legal, and is against license terms.
3. You are having internet problems.
For further clarification, please contact tiflotecnia, Lda, or your local dealer.

OK


Could anyone tell me what exactly is the problem? I can use it just fine. But the message keep showing whenever I restart NVDA or restart my computer.


Thanks.


Re: can nvda read shared screen in Zoom?

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

I do hat all the time, make sure your focus is on the shared content %(use F6 until your hear "Zoom meeting") then use NVDA-r, the NVDA OCR recognition to read the shared content.

Regards,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aschalew Byness
Sent: Mittwoch, 12. August 2020 01:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can nvda read shared screen in Zoom?

Hi All?
I want to read the slydes shared by a host in a Zoom meeting. Can NVDA read the shared screen by the zoom host to me? if yes, How?


Re: Protonmail

Jesse Farquharson
 

Right right, Luke. Basically what I meant was you don't have to do anything significant with it beyond the initial setup. :-)


Re: Protonmail

Luke Davis
 

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

The bridge is usable, and you will only have to use it once. After that, you shouldn't have to open it again. It just allows your preferred client to access
your ProtonMail account.
A slight correction here. You have to configure it once. But you have to run it in the background all the time, or have it start automatically.

It is running a local IMAP and SMTP server on your machine, which then encrypts and delivers into and out of the ProtonMail network.

So you do need to have the bridge running any time you want to be able to access Proton from within Thunderbird or Outlook or whatever.
But fortunately after that initial config, all you should have to do (from my few hours of playing with it) is start and minimize it.

Luke


Re: Protonmail

Luke Davis
 

Shaun, from your comments, it seems evident that you have no idea what ProtonMail is.

ProtonMail is not just encrypted to and from their network. It's encrypted within their network, so not even they can access your mail. In the past, gmail has freely admitted that they accessed your mail, and used it for advertising purposes.
Proton is not subject to U.S. laws; it operates under Swiss privacy law, and the GDPR.
Gmail does not.

Proton does not keep logs of accesses, and does not require your name in order to sign up.

And the bridge is necessary only if you want to access Proton mail in your own mail apps; you can not without it, because they do not offer IMAP or SMTP service directly, only through the bridge.

Without the bridge, you can only access it through the website, or the mobile apps.

I hope this clarifies.

Luke

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hmmm sounds like the bridge is a disgusting mess and not worth my time.
I wander if you could run without it in the first place.
I wander if the devs of this actually would help fixing their mess.
Then again, why should I use proton mail when gmail is actually more
accessible, in fact a lot of programs now at least newer ones support
the new security protocol google uses which makes them recognised as
secured apps.


Re: Protonmail

Jesse Farquharson
 

Primarily, Shaun, because Google couldn't give a **** about you, your privacy, or your data. As long as they make money off of you, they're happy.

The advantage of ProtonMail is that you can actually encrypt your e-mails, so that unless someone has physical access to the device you are logged in on, or the device your recipient is receiving from, no one can intercept your message.

The bridge is usable, and you will only have to use it once. After that, you shouldn't have to open it again. It just allows your preferred client to access your ProtonMail account.

I will go on the record here stating that the interface on the web is fully accessible. The iOS app has certain... quirks, but can still be used once you know what you're dealing with.

From what I've seen, Proton Support is very responsive. We just have to figure out how to communicate with them the right way.


Re: Protonmail

 

Hmmm sounds like the bridge is a disgusting mess and not worth my time.
I wander if you could run without it in the first place.
I wander if the devs of this actually would help fixing their mess.
Then again, why should I use proton mail when gmail is actually more
accessible, in fact a lot of programs now at least newer ones support
the new security protocol google uses which makes them recognised as
secured apps.

On 12/08/2020, Jesse Farquharson <jesse100rules@...> wrote:
Hey Luke,

I will not be trying this now, as there's very little point. This computer
is gonna be saying byebye in a very short while anyway, as I'm getting a new
one this weekend or so. I will try it then... if I remember.




Re: Protonmail

Jesse Farquharson
 

Hey Luke,

I will not be trying this now, as there's very little point. This computer is gonna be saying byebye in a very short while anyway, as I'm getting a new one this weekend or so. I will try it then... if I remember.


Re: Protonmail

Luke Davis
 

Yes. I might be persuaded to see if my old twitter handle still works, just for this.

But that aside, I'm curious if you're able to get the bridge working, following my process. Hopefully in much less the time.

Luke

On Tue, 11 Aug 2020, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

I poked them on Twitter earlier today, but as with any company, I doubt they will listen to just one voice. Their handle is, predictably, @ProtonMail.
Shall we make some more noise?


Re: Protonmail

Jesse Farquharson
 

Luke,

I poked them on Twitter earlier today, but as with any company, I doubt they will listen to just one voice. Their handle is, predictably, @ProtonMail.

Shall we make some more noise?


Re: Protonmail

Luke Davis
 

Okay, this thread prompted me to finally get around to trying out the ProtonMail bridge, which you can only use with a paid account.

And, over two hours later, I can finally report on the results.

First, the bridge help documents are good, but really annoyingly designed, so you have to click next for each step. That said, the URL you'll want for that, is:
https://mail.protonmail.com/bridge

Install the bridge.

Run the bridge.

Choose OK in the dialog which opens. This dialog is weird: for me it didn't read or even focus automatically, but I was able to alt+tab to it, and read it with object nav. It just tells you to add an account, so it's safe to select OK.
After selecting OK, you are in a probably non-speaking window. Use object nav to move to the right (NVDA+numpad 6), until you reach "add account", and select it with NVDA+numpad enter.

You are then in a field for entering your ProtonMail email address. Enter it, press tab, and enter your password.
The instructions say you may also have to enter a second password, or 2FA code here.
Then press tab again twice, to "next", and press it.
Once again, nothing talks after this. You are hopefully in a window that says that you have successfully added your account, object nav again to the rescue.
You can probably choose OK or close here, either way you should return to the main window.

The instructions say to click on mailbox config, to learn how to connect. However there is no mailbox config evident on the main screen when tabbing around.
To find it, tab to your address, and again use object nav. Previous object says "expand row". I'm not sure if you need this, but I did it.
After that (assuming that was necessary), next object will give you options such as: switch to split address mode, and mail configuration.

If you are going to switch to split address mode, I suggest doing it before you set anything up in your mail program.

Here is where the most inaccessible part arises. Pressing mail configuration, which you need to do to get your access information, seems to only result in a "help balloon", which you can only get to with alt+tab, although actually you can't read it at all, even though it claims you have switched to it.
I tried everything I could think of to get there and read this, but could not.

It was after switching to Narrator, that I realized that Windows Defender was blocking features of the bridge. After allowing the bridge, I switched back to NVDA.

I still could not get object nav (or any other kind), to work in the window that was displaying (the mail configuration window).
However, by going back to the desktop, I was able to use object nav to go to the parent object, then the next object which was the window with my email address as its name.

After that, I next objected through the window menu (close, minimize, etc.), and then the next thing I knew I was hearing the host name (127.0.0.1), the IMAP port (1143), and all the other information! (SMTP port is 1025.)

Each element had its own copy to clipboard button. I thought the copy button would be especially useful for the password, but NVDA+C reported nothing copied.
Interestingly enough, however, I was able to use NVDA+F9 to mark start, review cursor right by character (numpad 3) to the end of the password, and then NVDA+F10 to mark end, and thereby copy the password to the clipboard.

The bridge requires starttls in your mail program, and runs on unusual ports, but otherwise uses normal SMTP and IMAP. They have help pages on configuring all of the common mail apps.

I could not find any way to get out of the Mail Configuration part of the bridge, other than by closing and restarting the bridge.

I hope this all helps someone.

Please, to anyone using ProtonMail, write to their support and ask them to improve the accessibility of the bridge!

Luke


Re: can nvda read shared screen in Zoom?

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, you cannot read slides the teacher shows, at least I could not do it on any platform in zoom.

Good luck.

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On 11 Aug 2020, at 17:05, soloman s wrote:

Hi,
I would be grateful for tips on this as well.
Meanwhile, you can capture images with the assistance of someone
which, can later be scanned using Envision for instance.
But when you do screenshare, you are in full control of your content.
Please remember to protect the ears of your sighted students by using
headset.

On 8/12/20, Aschalew Byness gakidan.ashagre235@... wrote:

Hi All?
I want to read the slydes shared by a host in a Zoom meeting. Can NVDA
read the shared screen by the zoom host to me? if yes, How?

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With warm regards
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teachsolo@...


Re: can nvda read shared screen in Zoom?

CARLOS-ESTEBAN
 

Hello.
You can use the OCR in share contend Window with NVDA+R. Is possible use the addon Lion with the Window of Zoom maximiced, but in some cases don’t work good.
Regards.


-----Mensaje original-----
De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> En nombre de soloman s
Enviado el: martes, 11 de agosto de 2020 19:05
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] can nvda read shared screen in Zoom?

Hi,
I would be grateful for tips on this as well.
Meanwhile, you can capture images with the assistance of someone which, can later be scanned using Envision for instance.
But when you do screenshare, you are in full control of your content.
Please remember to protect the ears of your sighted students by using headset.


On 8/12/20, Aschalew Byness <gakidan.ashagre235@...> wrote:
Hi All?
I want to read the slydes shared by a host in a Zoom meeting. Can NVDA
read the shared screen by the zoom host to me? if yes, How?




--
With warm regards
Solomon S
teachsolo@...


Windows 10 App Essentials 20.08, an important note for dev snapshot users #addonrelease

 

Hello all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 20.08 (fifth anniversary edition) is now available. Among many changes in this release (majority of which took place last week), the add-on now supports upcoming Windows 10 Version 20H2 and significant usability enhancements were made to modern input facility support (emoji panel, clipboard history, hardware input suggestions, dictation, and on newer feature updates, CJK IME candidate reading), the latter for braille users. It also includes Calculator improvements, Open With dialog fix is now available for Version 1909 users, and some workarounds for 20H2. As always, the new add-on release is available via community add-ons website and via Add-on Updater.

 

As for the subtitle: it’s been five years since the release of first test release of Windows 10 App Essentials in August 2015. The official release didn’t happen until December 2015, but for all record-keeping purposes, August 2015 (15.08 preview) is the first release.

 

A note on modern input facility support changes: modern input facility improvements came from an unlikely source: a speech presented by a blind high school student at this year’s National Federation of the Blind virtual convention, detailing her experiences as she and other blind high school students sued College Board over lack of Advanced Placement (AP) braille tests this year (perhaps I’ll describe the shock I felt while watching this speech and the follow-up actions taken in detail at another time); since modern input facility wasn’t quite optimized for braille users, this speech gave me the courage to revisit design decisions I made regarding emoji panel support three years ago and make extensive rewrites to improve user experience. Although emoji descriptions will not be brailed in human-readable languages (it only prints hexadecimal values unless Braille Extender is installed), WinTenApps 20.08 improves other aspects of emoji panel support, the most notable being that NVDA will no longer jump all over emoji panel when People emoji group is selected, which should make braille users more happy.

 

Several announcements:

 

  • Starting with version 20.08, Windows 10 App Essentials will now require NVDA 2020.1 or later.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials will end support for Windows 10 Version 1909 (November 2019 Update) in December.
  • If you are using development snapshots of this add-on, a series of really bleeding-edge builds will be released soon designed to test upcoming NVDA 2020.3 changes and add-on compatibility. As a result, these snapshots (dubbed “alpha”) will absolutely require NVDA 2020.3 alpha (or future beta) builds. If you do somehow install these snapshots while running NVDA 2020.1 or 2020.2, you’ll find that the add-on will not work properly as these bleeding-edge snapshots depend on changes made to NVDA that are going through alpha-level testing. If you are using stable add-on release, you won’t see this change until next year.

 

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph