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Re: server software in general

 

Hi,
There are other ways to control Windows Update, namely telling Windows 10 Pro and higher to not download feature updates for a year.
As for coming up with doing all sorts of other things given physical distancing, the only suggestion/advice I can offer is perhaps taking a break. I found out the hard way that you won't get far if you suddenly think of many magical things to do all at once, as it overwhelms a person's mind. Thinking about doing something to keep you occupied is a noble thing up to a point - just as humans need time to do work, humans need time to rest.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] server software in general

To be honest, I don't need hhalf this.

What I am looking for are small things.

I like the idea of wsus, managing my own updates, maybe a media streamer, a time server, wsus is my biggest push.

A dedicated something to run vms on and test unstable software which is not my primary machine.

Wsus is my main push, I don't see any way to use wsus without a server.

But its out of my legue, windows server is far to expensive for me even to concidder it ever at its full price.

I don't need 99% of its features.

I am interested in something with a gui, something not to complex, something everyone in the house can access without being geeks.

Yeah I could use linux, but while I know enough to get my feet wet its just dabbling and becides I'd be excluding just about everyone else.

I've changed the subject line now to switch the topic over by the way.

Its been something I have been thinking for ages.

But I have never been sure how to proceed.

Being in lockdown has made me dredge up all the ideas I never thought about seriously doing.

At first I thought about loading linux, and while I can do that I have my limits.

Editing any linux file with linux editors which I am not used to as I am used to a lot of gui apps mostly and find them much easier than the terminal though I can use that for simple things to.



On 13/04/2020 7:41 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
When installing Server 2016 and later, you'll be offered to install:
* Windows Server year: Server Core (command-line driven, limited GUI,
provides all server features)
* Windows Server year Desktop Experience: Server Core along with full
Windows user interface and feel (best suited for remote access or app server) Once you make a choice, there is no going back without a clean install.
Windows Server is useful if you need to create and manage a domain or need to become familiar with Windows Server technologies such as Windows Server Update Services (WSUS), Active Directory (Domain Services, Certificate Services, domain controller management, rights management and many others), System Center suite (Configuration Manager, Virtual Machine Manager, etc.), server-side Hyper-V, Windows Server containers, and in case of one variant, server-side cloud infrastructure (Nano Server, only available to businesses through Software Assurance which isn't cheap (thousands of dollars)). A base Windows Server 2019 Standard license costs at least 800 dollars, and Windows Server 2019 Datacenter costs at least 3000 dollars; more users and devices managed by a server means more costs (called Client Access Licenses or CAL's). As I said, if you want to learn to manage Active Directory or need to use Windows Server technologies in a job setting, I advise staying away from Windows Server.
Cheers,
Joseph P.S. I use Windows Server Insider Preview builds when I need to test next Windows 10 LTSC builds, which is rare.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows server os

Hmmm that is what I had been advised to joseph.

Its just that that coppy has been sitting on the shelf for ages at 41 dollars and I have been tempted to buy it several times but from my local tech its not worth it.

I will look at server 2019 or 2016 then.

Hmmm so its better to get server with a desktop experience.

I can see server for a number of cores, where would I get server with desktop or is that just one of the options.



On 13/04/2020 6:32 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
You'll need sighted assistance to install it (install Desktop Experience, not Server Core), and after that, you'll need to enable Windows Audio service (set to start automatically). It would be much better to get Server 2016 or later, but...
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows server os

Hi all.

I am not sure if this should fit here or on win10 list but here goes.

I am in a position where I can obtain from one of my computer shops the last clearance coppy of windows server 2012 for about 40 dollars.

Usually windows server is 200-500 bucks and up depending on cores and what its for, etc.

Is it worth me getting something like this.

I will most likely be using this thing at home, maybe not in a broad business things,.

I want to experiment with things like a wsus server, and maybe some sort of media server.

I also want to have a play about.

Question, is it worth it or am I shooting myself in the foot by getting somthing this old.

I know that to install it I may need assistance, however is it accessible for blind users once up and running.

I assume it will have narator and I will have nvda on it.










server software in general

 

To be honest, I don't need hhalf this.

What I am looking for are small things.

I like the idea of wsus, managing my own updates, maybe a media streamer, a time server, wsus is my biggest push.

A dedicated something to run vms on and test unstable software which is not my primary machine.

Wsus is my main push, I don't see any way to use wsus without a server.

But its out of my legue, windows server is far to expensive for me even to concidder it ever at its full price.

I don't need 99% of its features.

I am interested in something with a gui, something not to complex, something everyone in the house can access without being geeks.

Yeah I could use linux, but while I know enough to get my feet wet its just dabbling and becides I'd be excluding just  about everyone else.

I've changed the subject line now to switch the topic over by the way.

Its been something I have been thinking for ages.

But I have never been sure how to proceed.

Being in lockdown has made me dredge up all the ideas I never thought about seriously doing.

At first I thought about loading linux, and while I can do that I have my limits.

Editing any linux file with linux editors which I am not used to as I am used to a lot of gui apps mostly and find them much easier than the terminal though I can use that for simple things to.

On 13/04/2020 7:41 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
When installing Server 2016 and later, you'll be offered to install:
* Windows Server year: Server Core (command-line driven, limited GUI, provides all server features)
* Windows Server year Desktop Experience: Server Core along with full Windows user interface and feel (best suited for remote access or app server)
Once you make a choice, there is no going back without a clean install.
Windows Server is useful if you need to create and manage a domain or need to become familiar with Windows Server technologies such as Windows Server Update Services (WSUS), Active Directory (Domain Services, Certificate Services, domain controller management, rights management and many others), System Center suite (Configuration Manager, Virtual Machine Manager, etc.), server-side Hyper-V, Windows Server containers, and in case of one variant, server-side cloud infrastructure (Nano Server, only available to businesses through Software Assurance which isn't cheap (thousands of dollars)). A base Windows Server 2019 Standard license costs at least 800 dollars, and Windows Server 2019 Datacenter costs at least 3000 dollars; more users and devices managed by a server means more costs (called Client Access Licenses or CAL's). As I said, if you want to learn to manage Active Directory or need to use Windows Server technologies in a job setting, I advise staying away from Windows Server.
Cheers,
Joseph P.S. I use Windows Server Insider Preview builds when I need to test next Windows 10 LTSC builds, which is rare.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows server os

Hmmm that is what I had been advised to joseph.

Its just that that coppy has been sitting on the shelf for ages at 41 dollars and I have been tempted to buy it several times but from my local tech its not worth it.

I will look at server 2019 or 2016 then.

Hmmm so its better to get server with a desktop experience.

I can see server for a number of cores, where would I get server with desktop or is that just one of the options.



On 13/04/2020 6:32 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
You'll need sighted assistance to install it (install Desktop Experience, not Server Core), and after that, you'll need to enable Windows Audio service (set to start automatically). It would be much better to get Server 2016 or later, but...
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows server os

Hi all.

I am not sure if this should fit here or on win10 list but here goes.

I am in a position where I can obtain from one of my computer shops the last clearance coppy of windows server 2012 for about 40 dollars.

Usually windows server is 200-500 bucks and up depending on cores and what its for, etc.

Is it worth me getting something like this.

I will most likely be using this thing at home, maybe not in a broad business things,.

I want to experiment with things like a wsus server, and maybe some sort of media server.

I also want to have a play about.

Question, is it worth it or am I shooting myself in the foot by getting somthing this old.

I know that to install it I may need assistance, however is it accessible for blind users once up and running.

I assume it will have narator and I will have nvda on it.









Re: windows server os

 

Hi,
When installing Server 2016 and later, you'll be offered to install:
* Windows Server year: Server Core (command-line driven, limited GUI, provides all server features)
* Windows Server year Desktop Experience: Server Core along with full Windows user interface and feel (best suited for remote access or app server)
Once you make a choice, there is no going back without a clean install.
Windows Server is useful if you need to create and manage a domain or need to become familiar with Windows Server technologies such as Windows Server Update Services (WSUS), Active Directory (Domain Services, Certificate Services, domain controller management, rights management and many others), System Center suite (Configuration Manager, Virtual Machine Manager, etc.), server-side Hyper-V, Windows Server containers, and in case of one variant, server-side cloud infrastructure (Nano Server, only available to businesses through Software Assurance which isn't cheap (thousands of dollars)). A base Windows Server 2019 Standard license costs at least 800 dollars, and Windows Server 2019 Datacenter costs at least 3000 dollars; more users and devices managed by a server means more costs (called Client Access Licenses or CAL's). As I said, if you want to learn to manage Active Directory or need to use Windows Server technologies in a job setting, I advise staying away from Windows Server.
Cheers,
Joseph P.S. I use Windows Server Insider Preview builds when I need to test next Windows 10 LTSC builds, which is rare.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows server os

Hmmm that is what I had been advised to joseph.

Its just that that coppy has been sitting on the shelf for ages at 41 dollars and I have been tempted to buy it several times but from my local tech its not worth it.

I will look at server 2019 or 2016 then.

Hmmm so its better to get server with a desktop experience.

I can see server for a number of cores, where would I get server with desktop or is that just one of the options.



On 13/04/2020 6:32 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
You'll need sighted assistance to install it (install Desktop Experience, not Server Core), and after that, you'll need to enable Windows Audio service (set to start automatically). It would be much better to get Server 2016 or later, but...
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows server os

Hi all.

I am not sure if this should fit here or on win10 list but here goes.

I am in a position where I can obtain from one of my computer shops the last clearance coppy of windows server 2012 for about 40 dollars.

Usually windows server is 200-500 bucks and up depending on cores and what its for, etc.

Is it worth me getting something like this.

I will most likely be using this thing at home, maybe not in a broad business things,.

I want to experiment with things like a wsus server, and maybe some sort of media server.

I also want to have a play about.

Question, is it worth it or am I shooting myself in the foot by getting somthing this old.

I know that to install it I may need assistance, however is it accessible for blind users once up and running.

I assume it will have narator and I will have nvda on it.







Re: windows server os

 

Hmmm that is what I had been advised to joseph.

Its just that that coppy has been sitting on the shelf for ages at 41 dollars and I have been tempted to buy it several times but from my local tech its not worth it.

I will look at server 2019 or 2016 then.

Hmmm so its better to get server with a desktop experience.

I can see server for a number of cores, where would I get server with desktop or is that just one of the options.

On 13/04/2020 6:32 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
You'll need sighted assistance to install it (install Desktop Experience, not Server Core), and after that, you'll need to enable Windows Audio service (set to start automatically). It would be much better to get Server 2016 or later, but...
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows server os

Hi all.

I am not sure if this should fit here or on win10 list but here goes.

I am in a position where I can obtain from one of my computer shops the last clearance coppy of windows server 2012 for about 40 dollars.

Usually windows server is 200-500 bucks and up depending on cores and what its for, etc.

Is it worth me getting something like this.

I will most likely be using this thing at home, maybe not in a broad business things,.

I want to experiment with things like a wsus server, and maybe some sort of media server.

I also want to have a play about.

Question, is it worth it or am I shooting myself in the foot by getting somthing this old.

I know that to install it I may need assistance, however is it accessible for blind users once up and running.

I assume it will have narator and I will have nvda on it.






Re: windows server os

 

Well I was thinking about setting up a network at home.

However server 2012 is quite an old bit of software and views online seem a bit hit and miss with some saying  everyone should go nas.

My plan was to fiddle with a dedicated server for say virtual machines, testing of software including insider windows tests, thunderbird tests, etc, also a media server and a something to experiment with the wsus system.

On 13/04/2020 7:11 pm, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Unless you are planning on setting up a network at home I am not sure how it will be a benefit to you.
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If we don't take time to think before we speak we may find ourselves in a situation where our speech becomes a bit stinky!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] windows server os


Hi all.

I am not sure if this should fit here or on win10 list but here goes.

I am in a position where I can obtain from one of my computer shops the last clearance coppy of windows server 2012 for about 40 dollars.

Usually windows server is 200-500 bucks and up depending on cores and what its for, etc.

Is it worth me getting something like this.

I will most likely be using this thing at home, maybe not in a broad business things,.

I want to experiment with things like a wsus server, and maybe some sort of media server.

I also want to have a play about.

Question, is it worth it or am I shooting myself in the foot by getting somthing this old.

I know that to install it I may need assistance, however is it accessible for blind users once up and running.

I assume it will have narator and I will have nvda on it.






Re: windows server os

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Unless you are planning on setting up a network at home I am not sure how it will be a benefit to you.
******
If we don't take time to think before we speak we may find ourselves in a situation where our speech becomes a bit stinky!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 12:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] windows server os


Hi all.

I am not sure if this should fit here or on win10 list but here goes.

I am in a position where I can obtain from one of my computer shops the last clearance coppy of windows server 2012 for about 40 dollars.

Usually windows server is 200-500 bucks and up depending on cores and what its for, etc.

Is it worth me getting something like this.

I will most likely be using this thing at home, maybe not in a broad business things,.

I want to experiment with things like a wsus server, and maybe some sort of media server.

I also want to have a play about.

Question, is it worth it or am I shooting myself in the foot by getting somthing this old.

I know that to install it I may need assistance, however is it accessible for blind users once up and running.

I assume it will have narator and I will have nvda on it.




Re: windows server os

 

Hi,
You'll need sighted assistance to install it (install Desktop Experience, not Server Core), and after that, you'll need to enable Windows Audio service (set to start automatically). It would be much better to get Server 2016 or later, but...
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows server os

Hi all.

I am not sure if this should fit here or on win10 list but here goes.

I am in a position where I can obtain from one of my computer shops the last clearance coppy of windows server 2012 for about 40 dollars.

Usually windows server is 200-500 bucks and up depending on cores and what its for, etc.

Is it worth me getting something like this.

I will most likely be using this thing at home, maybe not in a broad business things,.

I want to experiment with things like a wsus server, and maybe some sort of media server.

I also want to have a play about.

Question, is it worth it or am I shooting myself in the foot by getting somthing this old.

I know that to install it I may need assistance, however is it accessible for blind users once up and running.

I assume it will have narator and I will have nvda on it.

windows server os

 

Hi all.

I am not sure if this should fit here or on win10 list but here goes.

I am in a position where I can obtain from one of my computer shops the last clearance coppy of windows server 2012 for about 40 dollars.

Usually windows server is 200-500 bucks and up depending on cores and what its for, etc.

Is it worth me getting something like this.

I will most likely be using this thing at home, maybe not in a broad business things,.

I want to experiment with things like a wsus server, and maybe some sort of media server.

I also want to have a play about.

Question, is it worth it or am I shooting myself in the foot by getting somthing this old.

I know that to install it I may need assistance, however is it accessible for blind users once up and running.

I assume it will have narator and I will have nvda on it.

Re: NVDA Audio Themes Add On

bhanu computer
 

and, addons documentations addon is not awailable for nvda latest

RSS Feeds for NVAccess News and NVDA Add-Ons Community

 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 06:31 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
The mods can add the NV Access and NVDA community add on RSS feeds to this group if they wish
And the group owner and I both agree that this is a good idea, at least to give a trial, so both feeds have now been added to the NVDA Group.

I am not an RSS-er, but my understanding is that every time either of these feeds gets a new message a corresponding message will be sent to the group.  The titles will be, respectively, NV Access News Feed, and, NVDA Community Add-ons Feed.

Let's see how it goes.  If the membership has feedback regarding this after we begin seeing messages come through from the RSS feeds then please send that to nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io 
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Re: Reading messages list in Mozilla Thunderbird

 

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:41 PM, Marie wrote:
Is there any way to apply the column change to all folders, or do you have to change it in all folders separately?
Yes.  If you look back in the original instructions, I mentioned that when you hit ALT+O to open the list of all Thunderbird columns in Thunderbird itself, beneath that list are two controls:

Restore Column Order  (to Thunderbird Default Order)
Apply Columns To (which I have never used, but it allows you to apply your settings above to other folders in Thunderbird)

After you have your columns arranged exactly as you'd want them to be in all folders, use ALT+O to open the column list and get focus on the Apply columns to control.  Once activated, you are given two suboptions, Folder and Folder and its children.  You will want to use Folder and its children.  When you open this suboption you are then presented with a list of the e-mail inboxes you have (generally your accounts) along with Local folders.  When you select either one of the accounts, that will then open with the account at the top, and all of the subfolders beneath it, allowing you to select individual subfolders if you so choose.  In this case, just select the account at the top of that list and all IMAP subfolders should then be arranged in Thunderbird with the same column order you have arranged for the inbox.  You must go through the Apply columns to control and its suboptions for each account, if you have multiple accounts.  If you also want your local folders, usually only Trash and Outbox, to have that same order you need to do it for them, too.  I would proceed with caution on the Trash and Outbox folders.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Re: Reading messages list in Mozilla Thunderbird

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

    Sorry for the empty post.
Just one quick question, please. Is there any way to apply the column change to all folders, or do you have to change it in all folders separately?
Thanks Brian, so much for your help
 
Marie
 

From: Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading messages list in Mozilla Thunderbird
 

Brian, thank you for such great step-by-step instructions. I did not have the add-on so have it now and have changed my columns. I really wish you would write a tutorial with such great step-by-step instructions on the most commonly asked questions about NVDA.

 

 

On 4/10/2020 1:56 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The following presumes you have already installed the previously noted Mozilla Apps Enhancements add on, have restarted NVDA, and have Thunderbird up and running with focus on the Thunderbird window.

1. Hit NVDA+H.  A dialog entitled, Manage columns, appears.  That dialog is composed of a list of the columns in the order they are currently being displayed from left to right, with the leftmost column at the top of the list.

2.  The next thing I suggest you do, but this step is optional, is to hit ALT+O, which will cause the list of Thunderbird columns, in Thunderbird itself, to be displayed with a checkbox in front of those columns you wish to have displayed, and nothing (unchecked) for those you want to hide.  It's worth down arrowing through that column list and deciding if there are any currently checked (displayed) columns you'd like to hide, and uncheck those, and vice versa.  Hitting ESC closes the Thunderbird column selection process and throws you back to the Mozilla Apps Enhancements dialog.

3.  Back in the dialog column list, gain focus on the column that you would like to move.  If you want it to be to the left of where it is (and that means it would be announced first), then hit ALT+U to move it up by one position.  Repeat the ALT+U as many times as necessary to get it where you want it.  If you want this column to be announced later than it currently is (moving it to the right/down the list), hit ALT+D as many times as necessary to get it where you want it relative to other columns.

4.  Review your column order by going to the top of the list and down arrowing through it so you know what the "First announced to last announced" order is.  If you find a mistake, then repeat step 3, moving the column or columns to where you want them.

5. Navigate to the Close button for the dialog and activate it.  You're done.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

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678-862-3876

Re: I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

 

Hi,

It won’t interfere as long as you copy it, although the file might be named differently than what you expect, as the file transfer agent will first download the file to the temporary directory. As always, the usual way to obtain stable versions of NVDA manually (apart from updates) is visiting nvaccess.org website.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 6:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

 

Hi Joseph,

I am wondering. I almost never get the full installer from the website now that you have the automatic updater which prompts you with every new release.  As per your description, I was able to find the updates folder under program files (x86)\NVDA \systemConfig folder structure. If when I am prompted to update NVDA, I should choose the later option and then go and copy the file from the updates folder and leave the original in that folder, would that interfere with the automatic updates when a few minutes later, I chose to install the update?  If not, that's a nice way to get the original installer in the event that you have a system crash where a reformat is necessary.

On 4/12/2020 8:01 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

If you tell NVDA to remind you later, it will remind you of an update later.

Technical: the following goes into how NVDA update actually takes place (a bit geeky):

The NVDA updater component will check for, download, and apply NVDA updates. This is divided into the following parts:

  • Update checker: this component will access NVDA update server and will fetch update information based on certain details about your machine such as Windows version, processor architecture, NVDA version you’ve got and what not.
  • The NVDA update check interface that presents the actual update check dialog.
  • Update downloader: this component consists of a file transfer agent and the user interface to report download progress.
  • NVDA installer: updates NVDA given specific flags.
  • Update check timer: a timer that will activate the components above every 24 hours if NVDA is told to check for updates automatically.
  • Update check database: a Python-specific data file (a pickle file) that records the last update check timestamp, the update version presented, pending update installer file (if this is such a case) and other settings.

 

When you or NVDA check for updates:

  1. NVDA will access its own update server hosted on nvaccess.org.
  2. NVDA will pass on information about your NVDA installation such as whether it is an installed copy, Windows version, processor architecture, NVDA version, and if you enabled them, information about current speech synthesizer and braille display in use and other various information used for collecting statistics.
  3. NV Access server will then present either a dictionary-like data detailing any updates it finds, the download URL for the update so the update download agent can fetch it, the hash of the update file and other information. Alternatively, NV Access will say nothing (returns empty data), which means there is no update.
  4. NVDA will then present the appropriate message (update is ready or no update).
  5. If you do choose to download the update, after presenting the donation screen, the update download agent will download the update file, periodically letting NVDA know the transfer progress.
  6. If you do decide to be reminded, NVDA will not remind you for a while.
  7. After downloading (i.e. transferring) the update file, NVDA will ask if you would like to install now or do it later.
  8. If you do choose to install then, the just downloaded NVDA installer will run with special flags, telling it to update NVDA.
  9. If you choose to install the update later, it’ll save the downloaded installer to a special folder named “updates” inside user configuration folder and will add an option to exit NVDA dialog, which will let you install NVDA whenever you are ready.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

 

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 07:11 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

I advise not advertising beta software

Not to mention that the beta won't be picked up by the check for updates feature (NVDA+N,H,C) in a production release.

I can't imagine why NVDA 2019.3 would not pick up on 2019.3.1 unless it was already offered in the last 24 hours and declined.  I seem to recall that if you decline it sets some sort of flag that won't offer the update again until the following day.  If the same flag is also checked by Check for Updates and happens to be set, that might do it.

Joseph, I imagine you might be able to confirm or refute my speculation and if so, please do so.
 
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       ~ Madonna

 

 



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Re: I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Joseph,

I am wondering. I almost never get the full installer from the website now that you have the automatic updater which prompts you with every new release.  As per your description, I was able to find the updates folder under program files (x86)\NVDA \systemConfig folder structure. If when I am prompted to update NVDA, I should choose the later option and then go and copy the file from the updates folder and leave the original in that folder, would that interfere with the automatic updates when a few minutes later, I chose to install the update?  If not, that's a nice way to get the original installer in the event that you have a system crash where a reformat is necessary.


On 4/12/2020 8:01 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

If you tell NVDA to remind you later, it will remind you of an update later.

Technical: the following goes into how NVDA update actually takes place (a bit geeky):

The NVDA updater component will check for, download, and apply NVDA updates. This is divided into the following parts:

  • Update checker: this component will access NVDA update server and will fetch update information based on certain details about your machine such as Windows version, processor architecture, NVDA version you’ve got and what not.
  • The NVDA update check interface that presents the actual update check dialog.
  • Update downloader: this component consists of a file transfer agent and the user interface to report download progress.
  • NVDA installer: updates NVDA given specific flags.
  • Update check timer: a timer that will activate the components above every 24 hours if NVDA is told to check for updates automatically.
  • Update check database: a Python-specific data file (a pickle file) that records the last update check timestamp, the update version presented, pending update installer file (if this is such a case) and other settings.

 

When you or NVDA check for updates:

  1. NVDA will access its own update server hosted on nvaccess.org.
  2. NVDA will pass on information about your NVDA installation such as whether it is an installed copy, Windows version, processor architecture, NVDA version, and if you enabled them, information about current speech synthesizer and braille display in use and other various information used for collecting statistics.
  3. NV Access server will then present either a dictionary-like data detailing any updates it finds, the download URL for the update so the update download agent can fetch it, the hash of the update file and other information. Alternatively, NV Access will say nothing (returns empty data), which means there is no update.
  4. NVDA will then present the appropriate message (update is ready or no update).
  5. If you do choose to download the update, after presenting the donation screen, the update download agent will download the update file, periodically letting NVDA know the transfer progress.
  6. If you do decide to be reminded, NVDA will not remind you for a while.
  7. After downloading (i.e. transferring) the update file, NVDA will ask if you would like to install now or do it later.
  8. If you do choose to install then, the just downloaded NVDA installer will run with special flags, telling it to update NVDA.
  9. If you choose to install the update later, it’ll save the downloaded installer to a special folder named “updates” inside user configuration folder and will add an option to exit NVDA dialog, which will let you install NVDA whenever you are ready.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

 

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 07:11 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

I advise not advertising beta software

Not to mention that the beta won't be picked up by the check for updates feature (NVDA+N,H,C) in a production release.

I can't imagine why NVDA 2019.3 would not pick up on 2019.3.1 unless it was already offered in the last 24 hours and declined.  I seem to recall that if you decline it sets some sort of flag that won't offer the update again until the following day.  If the same flag is also checked by Check for Updates and happens to be set, that might do it.

Joseph, I imagine you might be able to confirm or refute my speculation and if so, please do so.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: Reading messages list in Mozilla Thunderbird

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Brian, thank you for such great step-by-step instructions. I did not have the add-on so have it now and have changed my columns. I really wish you would write a tutorial with such great step-by-step instructions on the most commonly asked questions about NVDA.



On 4/10/2020 1:56 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The following presumes you have already installed the previously noted Mozilla Apps Enhancements add on, have restarted NVDA, and have Thunderbird up and running with focus on the Thunderbird window.

1. Hit NVDA+H.  A dialog entitled, Manage columns, appears.  That dialog is composed of a list of the columns in the order they are currently being displayed from left to right, with the leftmost column at the top of the list.

2.  The next thing I suggest you do, but this step is optional, is to hit ALT+O, which will cause the list of Thunderbird columns, in Thunderbird itself, to be displayed with a checkbox in front of those columns you wish to have displayed, and nothing (unchecked) for those you want to hide.  It's worth down arrowing through that column list and deciding if there are any currently checked (displayed) columns you'd like to hide, and uncheck those, and vice versa.  Hitting ESC closes the Thunderbird column selection process and throws you back to the Mozilla Apps Enhancements dialog.

3.  Back in the dialog column list, gain focus on the column that you would like to move.  If you want it to be to the left of where it is (and that means it would be announced first), then hit ALT+U to move it up by one position.  Repeat the ALT+U as many times as necessary to get it where you want it.  If you want this column to be announced later than it currently is (moving it to the right/down the list), hit ALT+D as many times as necessary to get it where you want it relative to other columns.

4.  Review your column order by going to the top of the list and down arrowing through it so you know what the "First announced to last announced" order is.  If you find a mistake, then repeat step 3, moving the column or columns to where you want them.

5. Navigate to the Close button for the dialog and activate it.  You're done.

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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

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678-862-3876

Re: I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

 

Hi,

If you tell NVDA to remind you later, it will remind you of an update later.

Technical: the following goes into how NVDA update actually takes place (a bit geeky):

The NVDA updater component will check for, download, and apply NVDA updates. This is divided into the following parts:

  • Update checker: this component will access NVDA update server and will fetch update information based on certain details about your machine such as Windows version, processor architecture, NVDA version you’ve got and what not.
  • The NVDA update check interface that presents the actual update check dialog.
  • Update downloader: this component consists of a file transfer agent and the user interface to report download progress.
  • NVDA installer: updates NVDA given specific flags.
  • Update check timer: a timer that will activate the components above every 24 hours if NVDA is told to check for updates automatically.
  • Update check database: a Python-specific data file (a pickle file) that records the last update check timestamp, the update version presented, pending update installer file (if this is such a case) and other settings.

 

When you or NVDA check for updates:

  1. NVDA will access its own update server hosted on nvaccess.org.
  2. NVDA will pass on information about your NVDA installation such as whether it is an installed copy, Windows version, processor architecture, NVDA version, and if you enabled them, information about current speech synthesizer and braille display in use and other various information used for collecting statistics.
  3. NV Access server will then present either a dictionary-like data detailing any updates it finds, the download URL for the update so the update download agent can fetch it, the hash of the update file and other information. Alternatively, NV Access will say nothing (returns empty data), which means there is no update.
  4. NVDA will then present the appropriate message (update is ready or no update).
  5. If you do choose to download the update, after presenting the donation screen, the update download agent will download the update file, periodically letting NVDA know the transfer progress.
  6. If you do decide to be reminded, NVDA will not remind you for a while.
  7. After downloading (i.e. transferring) the update file, NVDA will ask if you would like to install now or do it later.
  8. If you do choose to install then, the just downloaded NVDA installer will run with special flags, telling it to update NVDA.
  9. If you choose to install the update later, it’ll save the downloaded installer to a special folder named “updates” inside user configuration folder and will add an option to exit NVDA dialog, which will let you install NVDA whenever you are ready.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

 

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 07:11 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

I advise not advertising beta software

Not to mention that the beta won't be picked up by the check for updates feature (NVDA+N,H,C) in a production release.

I can't imagine why NVDA 2019.3 would not pick up on 2019.3.1 unless it was already offered in the last 24 hours and declined.  I seem to recall that if you decline it sets some sort of flag that won't offer the update again until the following day.  If the same flag is also checked by Check for Updates and happens to be set, that might do it.

Joseph, I imagine you might be able to confirm or refute my speculation and if so, please do so.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Re: NVDA and zoom

Gene
 

You don’t have to.  If you use read current line, the message will be read. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and zoom
 
I just tested the latest zoom with jaws, and I am able to successfully navigate text fields and use the arrow keys to review text that I have written, where as with NVDA, at least, the old version that I'm using on my old system, I am unable to handle edit fields as easily.
Is this a fault with zoom, NVDA, or jaws?
How does the latest NVDA handle text fields in zoom.  Can you type things in and then review what you've typed with the arrows?
Cheers.

----- Original Message -----
From: David Mehler <dave.mehler@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 4/13/2020 7:54:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and zoom
________________________________________________________________________________

Hi,

With regards Zoom isn't there a tutorial or podcast on the subject? I
can't remember who did it.

Thanks.
Dave.


On 4/12/20, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
> Zoom is quite accessible with NVDA. I have been using it off and on since
> last April.
> ******
> If we don't take time to think before we speak we may find ourselves in a
> situation where our speech becomes a bit stinky!
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: ken lawrence via groups.io
>   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>   Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 3:42 PM
>   Subject: [nvda] NVDA and zoom
>
>
>   Hi list ken here with a question.  Was just now taking a look at the zoom
> site to see how it worked online.  I have attended a couple NFB virtual
> events but by phone.  Is there any instruction on how to use zoom if I want
> to go online rather than the phone and is there any add on with NVDA that
> might be useful on it?  With all the coronavirus stuff wiping out events we
> are going to be using zoom quite a bit I think.  We have an account now for
> our state affiliate of NFB with all the conference call lines tied up. Also
> our national convention will be virtual this year.
>
>
>
>   Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: NVDA and zoom

 

Stephen,

           It would really help to know what versions of JAWS, NVDA, and Windows are involved.
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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Re: NVDA and zoom

Stephen
 

I just tested the latest zoom with jaws, and I am able to successfully navigate text fields and use the arrow keys to review text that I have written, where as with NVDA, at least, the old version that I'm using on my old system, I am unable to handle edit fields as easily.
Is this a fault with zoom, NVDA, or jaws?
How does the latest NVDA handle text fields in zoom. Can you type things in and then review what you've typed with the arrows?
Cheers.

----- Original Message -----
From: David Mehler <dave.mehler@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 4/13/2020 7:54:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and zoom
________________________________________________________________________________

Hi,

With regards Zoom isn't there a tutorial or podcast on the subject? I
can't remember who did it.

Thanks.
Dave.


On 4/12/20, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
Zoom is quite accessible with NVDA. I have been using it off and on since
last April.
******
If we don't take time to think before we speak we may find ourselves in a
situation where our speech becomes a bit stinky!
----- Original Message -----
From: ken lawrence via groups.io
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 3:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and zoom


Hi list ken here with a question. Was just now taking a look at the zoom
site to see how it worked online. I have attended a couple NFB virtual
events but by phone. Is there any instruction on how to use zoom if I want
to go online rather than the phone and is there any add on with NVDA that
might be useful on it? With all the coronavirus stuff wiping out events we
are going to be using zoom quite a bit I think. We have an account now for
our state affiliate of NFB with all the conference call lines tied up. Also
our national convention will be virtual this year.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10







Re: I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

 

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 07:11 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
I advise not advertising beta software
Not to mention that the beta won't be picked up by the check for updates feature (NVDA+N,H,C) in a production release.

I can't imagine why NVDA 2019.3 would not pick up on 2019.3.1 unless it was already offered in the last 24 hours and declined.  I seem to recall that if you decline it sets some sort of flag that won't offer the update again until the following day.  If the same flag is also checked by Check for Updates and happens to be set, that might do it.

Joseph, I imagine you might be able to confirm or refute my speculation and if so, please do so.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna