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Re: adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

Arlene
 

Ow does one tell what version of windows you have on a new win ten?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: March 3, 2019 1:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

 

Howdy folks,

 

 

Using windows 10 version 1803 on my desktop system.  For some reason it

doesn't want version 1809. I have to create a couple of exceptions in

windows firewall so that two programs that I frequently use run

properly.  I haven't had to do this in years. Has anybody done this

successfully, and could share with me the steps for how to do it. Thanks

a bunch.

 

 

Tony

 

 

 

 


Settings question

Greg Rhodes <gkrhodes@...>
 

Is there an NVDA setting I can turn on so that the number of landmarks, headings, and links are announced when I open a web page (or MS Word document)? I know I can get to that info through the NVDA/F7 elements list but would like for it to be announced when I open a new page. Thanks.

 

Greg

 


Re: In-Process for 1st March 2019

Quentin Christensen
 

Brian,

Yes you are right - often people who lose vision later in life may well have used a computer before, but the majority of fully sighted computer users know very few keystrokes and largely rely on the mouse.  So, learning to use a computer without the mouse does pretty much require learning it from scratch.

Re what we're working on next to improve responsiveness, off the top of my head I'm not sure, but as we get feedback from those who have tried the changes we've made so far, we'll get a better picture of how effective what we've done so far has been, what it's fixed, what needs more work etc.  So, do please try the latest alpha version and let us know how it's going: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 8:13 AM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
hi,

You mention in the blog that there is still more planned to improve
responsiveness. What is planned for snapshots in this regard?

On 3/1/2019 10:41 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi thanks, very interesting. Yes you need somebody with an overall
> view to organise stuff, so hope he can cope!
> Programmers can be a difficult bunch to work with as they tend to have
> their own views on a lot of stuff.
> Believe me I know...
>
> I agree about responsiveness but also some of the responsiveness
> elsewhere needs a look. recent threads in the user list on lack of
> reading  infoo with alt/tab or when folders are first opened etc, as
> also in web browsers sometimes has been an intermittent problem for
> some time, so if somebody could look at that it might be nice. I
> suspect the answer  is in an old bit of code from way back which just
> does not see events or pass them on or it gets overwritten by
> something else.
>
>
>
> Do people really come to computers as a blind person not knowing the
> basic keystrokes of Windows though? It has not been my experience
> generally, but often those who have become blinder, over the years who
> were mouse people can be in this category, and I think it does need
> saying in documents that this is an nvda command but this is a windows
> native command and that can make it a lot easier to troubleshoot
> problems folk are having.
>
> No shant be going to the states, sorry!
>
> My brain hurts thinking of it. I used to exhibit at small computer
> shows here in the UK back in the 90s, but I  found the throngs of
> bodies and noise far too distracting, and usually lost my voice by the
> end of the day.
> Anyway thanks again and as I do not want to be grabbed by the talons
> of our new moderator, I'll add the phrase that this is not a
> conversation, merely a reaction to your article.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
> <quentin@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 5:29 AM
> Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 1st March 2019
>
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I've got a bumper issue today!
>>
>> In this week's In-Process: NV Access responds to user feedback, we're a
>> Google Summer of Code mentor organisation, preparations for #csunatc19,
>> news on NVDA 2019.1, our new GM and more!  Plus, a novel to read, what a
>> huge issue of In-Process!
>>
>> Read it here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-1st-march-2019/
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training and Support Manager
>>
>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





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Re: qualtrics

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

My experience has been that they use nonstandard select controls that can't be read by a screen reader. Often they can be acted on and it is possible to make an educated guess what's wanted but they aren't standard and don't report properly. Edit boxes work OK.

Best,

Erik

On March 3, 2019 4:20:51 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

hi,

Actually, I have completed many qualtrics surveys, and they are
generally accessible, unless they use matrix style or graphical questions.

On 3/3/2019 9:18 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I haven't created any surveys with qualtrix, but I've taken a lot of
them, and they are sketchy in the extreme.

I feel that even if you hacked one into being somehow, a lot of
assistive technology users would be barriered from completing it.
Qualtrix is simply a bad idea.

Survey monkey and google forms are both very accessible for creation
and distribution.  Formstack is another great tool.  If qualtrix
dowsn't want to comply, they can go bankrupt and the industry won't
miss them.

Best,

Erik


On March 3, 2019 1:27:44 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

hi all,

I need to conduct a survey as part of my masters project, and the things
I am doing, require me to use Qualtrics. However, the program doesn't
seem to be very accessible. For instance, I cannot change question type
to something which isn't multiple choice. Is there a way to use this
accessibly with NVDA? Have any other members used this software?








Re: Wreckless drivers

Brian Tew
 

Well can you envision an eventual solution to this problem?
You know windows won't do it. How could nvda fix this?
Is anybody addressing the problem?


Re: qualtrics

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

Actually, I have completed many qualtrics surveys, and they are generally accessible, unless they use matrix style or graphical questions.

On 3/3/2019 9:18 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I haven't created any surveys with qualtrix, but I've taken a lot of them, and they are sketchy in the extreme.

I feel that even if you hacked one into being somehow, a lot of assistive technology users would be barriered from completing it. Qualtrix is simply a bad idea.

Survey monkey and google forms are both very accessible for creation and distribution.  Formstack is another great tool.  If qualtrix dowsn't want to comply, they can go bankrupt and the industry won't miss them.

Best,

Erik


On March 3, 2019 1:27:44 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

hi all,

I need to conduct a survey as part of my masters project, and the things
I am doing, require me to use Qualtrics. However, the program doesn't
seem to be very accessible. For instance, I cannot change question type
to something which isn't multiple choice. Is there a way to use this
accessibly with NVDA? Have any other members used this software?








Re: qualtrics

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I haven't created any surveys with qualtrix, but I've taken a lot of them, and they are sketchy in the extreme.

I feel that even if you hacked one into being somehow, a lot of assistive technology users would be barriered from completing it. Qualtrix is simply a bad idea.

Survey monkey and google forms are both very accessible for creation and distribution. Formstack is another great tool. If qualtrix dowsn't want to comply, they can go bankrupt and the industry won't miss them.

Best,

Erik

On March 3, 2019 1:27:44 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

hi all,

I need to conduct a survey as part of my masters project, and the things
I am doing, require me to use Qualtrics. However, the program doesn't
seem to be very accessible. For instance, I cannot change question type
to something which isn't multiple choice. Is there a way to use this
accessibly with NVDA? Have any other members used this software?


adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

Tony Ballou
 

Howdy folks,


Using windows 10 version 1803 on my desktop system.  For some reason it
doesn't want version 1809. I have to create a couple of exceptions in
windows firewall so that two programs that I frequently use run
properly.  I haven't had to do this in years. Has anybody done this
successfully, and could share with me the steps for how to do it. Thanks
a bunch.


Tony


Re: NVDA and Zotero

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

There is a solution for multiple citations. There is a numbered button, click one after moving focus to the citation you want to add after the first, and it will add it. IOne of them will add, while the other removes.

I have another problem. Do you know how to change a book entry to book section, and then add authors and editors? When I change the editor field to an author, or vice versa, wrong author is changed.

On 3/1/2019 10:00 PM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hi all,

To revive this thread, I can give a partial answer to the original question and need to ask one of my own.

If you go to the zotero desktop application and under preferences find citation then word processor and check the "use classic citation  checkbox, you will get a dialogue in word that is 99% accessible. 

The only thing that has not worked for me is citing multiple works in a single in text citation. In the classic citation dialogue there is an add button that NVDA does not see with any cursor and in the default dialogue I hear only a string of HTML code rather than "unknown." 

i have posted to the zotero forum and will let you know what i hear back. 

Does anyone else have experience here with zotero or any other free citation manager? 

It was a huge help to have this on my last paper and I'd like to see it work or have access to something equivalent for academic writing. 

Warmly,
Sally 

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 11:56 AM Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:
Reference management and citation generation.

On 7/29/18, 06:30, "Ben J. Bloomgren" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of godsquad@...> wrote:

    What does Zotero do?


    Ben


    On 7/29/2018 3:00, James AUSTIN wrote:
    > Morning folks
    >
    > I hope you are all well.
    >
    > Has anyone found a way of using Zotero with NVDA please? I have
    > installed the plugin for Word but am unable to access the dialogue
    > that appears. NVDA reports 'unknown'.
    >
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Best
    >
    > James
    >
    >
    >
    >











locked Re: Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

enes sarıbaş
 

it has everything to do with NVDA, if it can't adapt to the changing OS.

On 3/2/2019 3:28 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
It has nothing to do with NVDA. It is the Windows OS that is unstable and that affects NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working fine and the next it is sputtering to the point you have to restart NVDA so frequently that it becomes useless. I am seriously considering switching to a Mac.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 3:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,
it's plain and simple: NVDA will be around as long as people care enough to contribute. Such premature requiems may actually convince some people not to contribute or donate as they feel they'd be riding a dead horse. In other words, these rumors are directly damaging NVDA's health and should be loudly and publicly debunked lest they become self-fulfilling prophecies.
Best,
Felix






locked Re: Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

I have the suspicion that, at least partly, this is accidental.

That being said, I am now officially locking this topic so that no further posts will be able to be made to it.   The "please let's close this" request has not proven sufficient.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


locked Re: Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Seriously, this is becoming irritating.
Someone please stop this guy!

Em 03/03/2019 15:39, ( NAJAF . Naqvi ) escreveu:

nvda 2019.1 update release date ?

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 9:29 PM Michael Capelle <m.capelle@...> wrote:
LOL, i agree.
 
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?
 

How about this is an optional title? The thread that wouldn't die.

On 3/2/2019 11:39 AM, ely.r@... wrote:

Brian,

Please do!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 12:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Would anyone object to my retitling this topic?   As new people join and see the title it has a tendency to revive panic (or at least worry) where none is warranted.

If not, I'll do so, then send out an additional message with the revised topic title so that the conversation can continue, but without making anyone believe that NVDA even might be dying.

I'll ask that you all reply to me either with your "that's OK" or "don't do that" votes via the "Reply to Sender" link at the bottom of this message so that the topic itself doesn't end up being flooded with votes.   I'll take a look at the consensus later and proceed (or not) as indicated.
--

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 



qualtrics

enes sarıbaş
 

hi all,

I need to conduct a survey as part of my masters project, and the things I am doing, require me to use Qualtrics. However, the program doesn't seem to be very accessible. For instance, I cannot change question type to something which isn't multiple choice. Is there a way to use this accessibly with NVDA? Have any other members used this software?


Creating New Threads

 

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 05:55 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
That is correct - changing the subject line does not create a new thread.
That depends entirely on your e-mail client.   At Groups.io changing the subject line absolutely splits a thread, and believe me, I know this for fact, as one of my primary jobs on the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group is re-integrating topics that have been split into multiple threads by subject line changes.  These also show up in my webmail as separate topics, too.  I've now been doing this on this group, too.

That being said, the best method to ensure that everyone, regardless of their e-mail client or webmail access, is guaranteed to see something as a brand new topic is to create it from scratch, giving it an appropriately descriptive subject line, and send it to nvda@nvda.groups.io
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Wreckless drivers

Felix G.
 

Hi Brian and list,
couldn't have picked a better subject.
It's a known issue and probably applies to all Braille display
manufacturers. Narrator uses BRLTTY for its communication with Braille
displays, and on Windows, BRLTTY requires an alternative LibUSB-based
driver. So right now the only way to use a Braille display with both
Narrator and another screen reader is to switch drivers.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 3. März 2019 um 12:26 Uhr schrieb Brian Tew via Groups.Io
<briantew1951=icloud.com@groups.io>:


I got braille to work with windows narrator, but there is a problem.
In the settings under "choose a default driver for your braille display" there are three possible drivers listed, to wit:
libusb win32 freedom scientific focus 3, 1 of 3
narrator: libusb1.0 freedom scientific focus 3, 2 of 3
focus 3 braille display usb 3 of 3

If I choose the second driver narrator outputs braille, but nvda will not.
If I choose the third driver nvda outputs braille but narrator will not.
What's a poor widow to do? I need both screenreaders to do dots.

Can I somehow get narrator to use the second driver and nvda to use the third driver automatically?
Maybe using the old assoc command (I am comfortable using terminal commands)?
Any suggestions are appreciated.
running windows 10 on a x86/64 desktop.




Re: Wreckless drivers

cisco <audiogamer2004@...>
 

hi. you can't do it, yet. you need to evrytime change driver when switching screen readers.

On 3/3/2019 12:26 PM, Brian Tew via Groups.Io wrote:
I got braille to work with windows narrator, but there is a problem.
In the settings under "choose a default driver for your braille display" there are three possible drivers listed, to wit:
libusb win32 freedom scientific focus 3, 1 of 3
narrator: libusb1.0 freedom scientific focus 3, 2 of 3
focus 3 braille display usb 3 of 3

If I choose the second driver narrator outputs braille, but nvda will not.
If I choose the third driver nvda outputs braille but narrator will not.
What's a poor widow to do? I need both screenreaders to do dots.

Can I somehow get narrator to use the second driver and nvda to use the third driver automatically?
Maybe using the old assoc command (I am comfortable using terminal commands)?
Any suggestions are appreciated.
running windows 10 on a x86/64 desktop.



Re: backing up thunderbird

 

If you have POP, rather than IMAP, turned on, you will have a much harder time transferring messages. You may want to check your gmail settings and disable pop, I really don't get why people download messages anyway, and make sure that IMAP is actually enabled. Both could be off, which is why gmail won't connect straight away if you've never poked about in the settings. If you use IMAP, all your messages go with you, no matter where you are, because TB is fetching them from the server directly. POP, you'd have to manually transfer all your messages from machine to machine because POP settings download the messages, and is not accessing the message info directly. I gotta run, so can't give keyboard instructions on how to change these settings in gmail, but if using the basic view, on the gmail website, go to the settings link, then go to the, forwarding/pop IMAP link inside settings. The settings are radio buttons that say enable or disable for either pop or IMAP.


Wreckless drivers

Brian Tew
 

I got braille to work with windows narrator, but there is a problem.
In the settings under "choose a default driver for your braille display" there are three possible drivers listed, to wit:
libusb win32 freedom scientific focus 3, 1 of 3
narrator: libusb1.0 freedom scientific focus 3, 2 of 3
focus 3 braille display usb 3 of 3

If I choose the second driver narrator outputs braille, but nvda will not.
If I choose the third driver nvda outputs braille but narrator will not.
What's a poor widow to do? I need both screenreaders to do dots.

Can I somehow get narrator to use the second driver and nvda to use the third driver automatically?
Maybe using the old assoc command (I am comfortable using terminal commands)?
Any suggestions are appreciated.
running windows 10 on a x86/64 desktop.


Re: NVDA release date was Re: [nvda] Easier way to edit exception dictionary?

Antony Stone
 

That is correct - changing the subject line does not create a new thread. It
simply continues the existing thread with a different subject.

To create a new thread, you must create a new email, to the list address
(which is NVDA@NVDA.Groups.IO in this case), with whatever subject line you
require for the new thread.

As a general rule, using "reply" will always continue a thread, never create a
new one, because the information about which thread you are replying to is
carried across into the headers of your reply.

Regards,


Antony.

On Sunday 03 March 2019 at 11:45:36, Mohamed wrote:

But just for clarification, does that mean my change to the subject line
did not actually create a new thread? I'm using Thunderbird, so if that
did happen I'd like to know how I can start a new thread and prevent
this from happening again.

On 3/3/2019 5:17 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm sorry I named the wrong person. But perhaps my explanation will
help Najaf understand what is being discussed. It can't be assumed
that people know what such terms mean, nor can it be assumed that
people know how to do what is being asked, since there are people
ranging from those with no previous experience with e-mail lists to
years of knowledge and experience.
Gene
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If you have to explain it, it means it doesn't work.

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Re: NVDA release date was Re: [nvda] Easier way to edit exception dictionary?

Mohamed
 

But just for clarification, does that mean my change to the subject line did not actually create a new thread? I'm using Thunderbird, so if that did happen I'd like to know how I can start a new thread and prevent this from happening again.

On 3/3/2019 5:17 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm sorry I named the wrong person.  But perhaps my explanation will help Najaf understand what is being discussed.  It can't be assumed that people know what such terms mean, nor can it be assumed that people know how to do what is being asked, since there are people ranging from those with no previous experience with e-mail lists to years of knowledge and experience.
 
]Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: NVDA release date was Re: [nvda] Easier way to edit exception dictionary?

Er, it was not Mohammed who hijacked the thread.  He replied to the question
in the thread previously hijacked by Najaf, and also asked Najaf not to hijack
threads in future.  He also helpfully changed the subject line to reflect the
question asked in the hijack.

Regards,

Antony

On Sunday 03 March 2019 at 10:56:42, Gene wrote:

> First, do you, Mohammed know what hijacking threads is?  We don't know.  It
> is when you use an existing thread to introduce a new and unrelated
> subject.  Start a completely new thread.  Don't change the subject line
> and then begin a new thread using the old thread.  Code remains which
> makes e-mail programs see it as a continuation of the old thread under
> some conditions.  It also causes the new thread to appear as the old
> thread in the list archives.
>
> If you don't know how to start a completely new thread, ask here and say
> what e-mail program you are using and people will be happy to tell you how
> to do this.  But, as has been said, don't continue to hijack threads.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Mohamed
> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 3:48 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: NVDA release date was Re: [nvda] Easier way to edit exception
> dictionary?
>
>
> Najaf, please stop highjacking threads. But to answer your question, NVDA
> 2019.1 apparently still has some issues that are holding it back, though a
> beta should hopefully be out in the coming days.
>
>
> On 3/2/2019 12:05 PM, ( NAJAF . Naqvi ) wrote:
>
>   nvda 2019.1 final release date
>
>
>   On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 11:34 AM Jeff Samco <jsamco@...> wrote:
>
>     I have set up a sizeable exception dictionary. If I wish to locate
>     and edit an entry I find it very tedious to arrow through the list.
>     Is there an easier method for locating a specific entry? Or, is there
>     a way to alphabetize the list to facilitate moving quickly through the
> list? Thanks,
>     Jeff

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