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Re: Password overload!

 

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 07:05 AM, Greg Epley wrote:
For the most part, whichever password manager you go with should work under most decent screen readers so long as the password manager is coded with standard OS function. In other words, isn't coded in "eye candy" style for sighted users, like all those iTunes helpers for Windows.
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Which is one of the reasons I continue to recommend Password Safe (https://pwsafe.org) and its ports/clones for Android and iOS.

I keep my encrypted safe file on Google Drive, and that's what's accessed from all of my Windows machines as well as my Android smartphone.  Any change I make anywhere is reflected everywhere else as a result.

It's not the prettiest of the bunch, but the Windows interface is accessible.  I've never played with the Android interface under TalkBack, but given how standard it looks I doubt it would not be accessible.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: Password overload!

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,
I currently use the family version of LastPass. The app on the iPhone is really good but the windows version is not the greatest. I’ve been thinking of switching but I have been a LastPass customer for several years. 

Greg Wocher


On May 7, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Greg Epley <greg.epley64@...> wrote:

I can't vouch for NVDA, but have been using 1Password with JAWS since 2018 or so. I used to use LastPass since it was free, but grew tired of the different ways I had to access it depending on what browser I was using, and finally decided a paid option was preferable.


For the most part, whichever password manager you go with should work under most decent screen readers so long as the password manager is coded with standard OS function. In other words, isn't coded in "eye candy" style for sighted users, like all those iTunes helpers for Windows. I can't say I've had too many problems getting to anything in 1Password, other than when doing an edit on a login, where I've found if I tab one too many times, I suddenly can't get back to any earlier point. My workaround for that has been to either not tab one too many times, or else shift-tab backward up through fields. It's a bit crazy, but it works, and there's always the option of using a web browser to edit entries. However, having said all that, my experience has been that once you get a login set up properly, there's rarely any need to edit a login. Kind of a set it and forget it sort of thing.


I LOVE the 1Password app for iPhone, especially with FaceID. I was previously having to type in my master password on the phone, but now, most times, all I need do is let FaceID do its thing and I'm in and moving along.

-Greg Epley


On 5/6/2021 6:44 PM, ely.r@... wrote:
Evening you NVDA experts.
 
I am overwhelmed by the numbers of passwords needed to do my work. I have to many little Word files each with a secret spell to enter some web site or to start a program. I know there are password managers that promise to ease my anxiety, but I have no idea which of them to trust. 
So, good doctors out there, does anyone use a reliable password manager that is accessible to NVDA, easy to use and will not send all those secret words out into the Ethernet. 
 
Will your suggestions   be based on at least three months of experience, will your suggested manager work in most situations demanding a PW, and will it be easy to edit when needed?
 
Yes, I know there are drugs for anxiety. I am using those already. They have not fixed the password challenge.
 
Best, Rick and General, Guide Dog Extraordinaire ,


Re: default speech dictionary, as and American Samoa

 

This sort of thing is virtually always an issue with the synth, so it would be worth reporting to the synth maker with your example text, too.

That being said, two things:

1. I'd use the voice dictionary.

2. Make the matching string "as well as" then try something like "as well As" or "as well az" (or perhaps azz) for the replacement.
    You might also try something as simple as "as" for the match and "As" for the replacement and see if that fixes it.

I had a similar experience with one voice saying "cup" as "Cuban Pesos" when it was used in recipes in an ingredient list.  Just the simple replacement of lowercase "cup" with the capitalized "Cup" fixed the issue.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: default speech dictionary, as and American Samoa

Gene
 

Did you place the entries in the dictionary at the same time or whenever you did, are they both still there?  Remove the American Samoa one, which is not correct.  That entry tells NVDA to say American Samoa when it sees as.  You placed American Samoa in the pronounced as field, if you did what you wrote you did.  Leave the as pronounced as as entry and see what happens. 
 
If that doesn’t work remove it.  Then try an entry with American Samoa in the pattern field and the word as in the pronounced as field.  You will never hear American Samoa spoken properly if you do this, it will be pronounced as as.  You’ll have to see if that solves the problem regarding how your synthesizer itself is programmed to pronounce it.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2021 5:56 AM
Subject: [nvda] default speech dictionary, as and American Samoa
 
Good Day!
While I read a news story today, I came across this sentence:
"Firefighters located a 3- to 4-acre woods fire threatening several
structures at 763 Bunker Hill Road as well as a self-storage facility
at 784 Bunker Hill Road."

within the news story the first as reads correctly but the 2nd as
reads "American Samoa". I have attempted, in vain, to deal with this
problem within the default speech dictionary with no resulting fix.  I
created 2 entries, they are:
#1. pattern: AS. Replacement: American Samoa. case: (i have tried both
on and off). type: anywhere.
and #2: pattern: as. Replacement: as. Case: off. type: anywhere.
Except for the capitalization of as, all punctuation here was simply
to make reading this Email read more sensibly.
I know I've done something that doesn't work, is there a solution I'm missing?
Thank You:
  Steve Hoad





Re: Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"

Dan Beaver
 
Edited

I tend to issue ctrl+home to go to the top of the page.  Then I issue X to find the first email on the screen if there is one.  I next issue a comma to drop out of the list.  I then issue shift+X to find the previous email.  This has worked well for me if I want to find the last email on the screen.

You could just go to the bottom of the page and then issue shift+x but this will find a check box below the table of emails first if there is any.

Dan Beaver

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


default speech dictionary, as and American Samoa

P.Stephen Hoad
 

Good Day!
While I read a news story today, I came across this sentence:
"Firefighters located a 3- to 4-acre woods fire threatening several
structures at 763 Bunker Hill Road as well as a self-storage facility
at 784 Bunker Hill Road."

within the news story the first as reads correctly but the 2nd as
reads "American Samoa". I have attempted, in vain, to deal with this
problem within the default speech dictionary with no resulting fix. I
created 2 entries, they are:
#1. pattern: AS. Replacement: American Samoa. case: (i have tried both
on and off). type: anywhere.
and #2: pattern: as. Replacement: as. Case: off. type: anywhere.
Except for the capitalization of as, all punctuation here was simply
to make reading this Email read more sensibly.
I know I've done something that doesn't work, is there a solution I'm missing?
Thank You:
Steve Hoad


Re: Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"

Jonathan Milam
 

Sorry, in the standard view.


On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 8:49 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
using which view, or both?  Your message doesn’t specify.
 
Gene
-----[[-Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2021 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"
 


Is there a way in Gmail to skip quickly from the top of a list of messages  to the bottom with NVDA?
 
Thanks
Jonathan

On May 6, 2021, at 7:26 PM, Thomas N. Chan <thomas.nathan.chan@...> wrote:


It used to be basic html view is the best for screen reader but google has improve tremendously  I dare to say, at least 5 years or so.
the standard view is slow and clunky  and sometimes it just didn't load properly. but thats long time ago when I first started to use more than 10 years ago.
 
Regards,
Thomas N. Chan
 
 
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 5:56 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

No issues. I've loaded over 200 messages in my junk folder and have jumped with k to each successive one.

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On 6 May 2021, at 6:40, Nimer Jaber wrote:

Hello,
 
No, I am not noticing this. Which browser are you using? And, which version of NVDA? There have been improvements made to the responsiveness of Gmail, particularly in the new beta, though they can be toggled on experimentally in the developer settings of NVDA, and I don't remember seeing this issue before anyway.
 
You can change the number of conversations on a page. I do have mine set to 100.
 
On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Thanks, Nimer.  This is perfect.  In the standard view, is anyone else seeing that NVDA seems to pause after every 10 messages?  It’s almost like it is waiting for 10 more messages to load.  Is this something that is changeable?

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 7:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"

 

Once you open the message, press n. Then, if you want to read the message in more detail, press insert+space to go into browse mode, then navigate as you would a web page.

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:28 PM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

What is the easiest way to navigate quickly to the body of a message in the GMAIL interface with NVDA?

 



On May 5, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

Navigate to settings, see all settings, and under the general tax, close to the bottom, there are radio buttons for turning on and off keyboard shortcuts. I do wish this was easier, nonetheless that is the process. It may be good to utilize screen reader find to find these controls.

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:01 PM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Nimer,

 

This sounds like a great thing to learn. How do you turn on the shortcut keys in gmail? I tried looking for it but couldn't find it.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 5/5/2021 1:50 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

Hello,

 

If Brian gets upset, we'll tell him to get over himself, but this topic is very dear to me, so we can make an exception, I am sure, for discussing non-NVDA topics on this list, although I will do my best to make it relate to NVDA.

 

Trainers are behind the curve on teaching people how to use web apps. Web app developers are creating these wonderful new accessible web apps, and blind people are still stuck with the old, non-web apps. This is a shame, a complete shame.

 

First, I recommend using Gmail on the web instead of Outlook as it does not require an office subscription. It does not require configuring and setting up of email clients. It can be used on any machine with a web browser. It is not necessarily screen reader specific, so for the most part, what works with JAWS will work with NVDA, will work with Narrator, will work with Orca, will work with Voiceover. About the only thing you must know is how to switch between browse and focus mode, or your particular screen reader's name for that command.

 

Why do I say that using Gmail with the standard interface is better than even the basic HTML mode? Because it is much more efficient to traverse through the email list, as long as keyboard shortcuts are turned on and learned. Press up/down arrow to move up and down the list. Press x to select messages. Press e or y to archive messages. Press # to delete them. Press enter to open a thread. Press n to read the next message in the thread, press p to read the prior message in the thread. Press r to reply, a to reply all, f to forward, b to snooze a message and act on it later. Press / to search the messages, and easily type the label name where that message can be found, such as in:sent or in:trash. Easily move messages and sort them into labels and bundles. Easily create events and tasks from emails. Easily chat with, and create meetings with people you wish to interact with, and do so right from Gmail if you wish. Press c to compose, press ctrl+shift+c to 'cc' and press ctrl+shift+b to BCC. Press ctrl+enter to send, ctrl+shift+d to discard. Press lots of commands to format text, create bulleted and numbered lists, adjust blockquote indentations, move to misspelled words, etc. Press tab to look through spelling and grammar suggestions, etc., etc. You can easily find a list of these keyboard shortcuts by pressing ? when logged into Gmail. If you don't like the shortcuts, you can create your own in the Gmail settings. And, much of what you learn can be applied to other sites, too. For instance, on Facebook and on Twitter, keyboard shortcuts exist to accomplish many tasks and to navigate to where you want to go, on YouTube Music and spottify, shortcuts exist to control music playback, and so on. Basic HTML mode doesn't have or allow for these shortcuts.

 

I wish trainers would touch more on web apps, but many still believe that the best way for people to access Gmail is through basic HTML, the best way to check email is with Outlook, and the best thing since sliced bread is a BrailleNote. Technology trainers can be some of the most difficult people to work with because many, not all, are so entrenched in what they know how to teach, how they learned to teach it, and what they themselves are using, that they refuse to open their minds to the possibility that there is a different way of teaching, a new standard out, new types of devices that may benefit people more than what they have been accustomed to. It's the same attitude that won't even show blind people an Android device, instead choosing that iOS is superior and should work best for everyone, never mind the needs and desires of the person they are working with.

 

So, if I can accomplish anything by sending this off-topic thread, and this babble, it is to get people to at least try to step out of the box, try something you may not be comfortable with, and accept that there may be tools and methods out there which will enhance your productivity and make your life easier that don't require struggling with Outlook and Thunderbird. By the way, I don't know if it is because checking email is so popular or what, but I tend to see more email-related qupestions across the varying tech lists with people struggling with Outlook and Thunderbird than pretty much anything else, and very few are using webmail, have given it a fair shot, and still fewer are using webmail through the standard interfaces. Google Docs is accessible, Gmail standard is accessible, Office 365 online web version is accessible, they may require a bit of a learning curve, but they are accessible and usable, and those tools tend to see the most work put into them these days in terms of accessibility and usability across many companies, simply because those tools can be used on Chromebooks, Macs, Linux, Windows, etc., without requiring separate desktop apps. All that is required is a browser and an Internet connection (not even a very fast one.)

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 1:28 PM Louise Pfau <lpfau@...> wrote:

Hi.  I find it easier to navigate the gmail interface with “Basic HTML view” vs. “Standard view”.  This is probably due to the fact that when I was first taught how to set up and work with my gmail account, I was instructed to use “Basic HTML view” in order to get the most accessible interface. I know this is not strictly related to NVDA though.

 

Louise

 

 

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To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970) (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.

 

Thank you, and have a great day!

 

 

--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

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addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
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attachments for security threats.


Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970) (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.

 

Thank you, and have a great day!

 

 

--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
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attachments for security threats.


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To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970) (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.

 

Thank you, and have a great day!

 
 
--
Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
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Registered Linux User 529141.
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To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970) (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.
 
Thank you, and have a great day!


Re: Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"

Gene
 

using which view, or both?  Your message doesn’t specify.
 
Gene

-----[[-Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2021 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"
 


Is there a way in Gmail to skip quickly from the top of a list of messages  to the bottom with NVDA?
 
Thanks
Jonathan

On May 6, 2021, at 7:26 PM, Thomas N. Chan <thomas.nathan.chan@...> wrote:


It used to be basic html view is the best for screen reader but google has improve tremendously  I dare to say, at least 5 years or so.
the standard view is slow and clunky  and sometimes it just didn't load properly. but thats long time ago when I first started to use more than 10 years ago.
 
Regards,
Thomas N. Chan
 
 
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 5:56 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

No issues. I've loaded over 200 messages in my junk folder and have jumped with k to each successive one.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.
Finally, you can support my work on happs, the network of now.

On 6 May 2021, at 6:40, Nimer Jaber wrote:

Hello,
 
No, I am not noticing this. Which browser are you using? And, which version of NVDA? There have been improvements made to the responsiveness of Gmail, particularly in the new beta, though they can be toggled on experimentally in the developer settings of NVDA, and I don't remember seeing this issue before anyway.
 
You can change the number of conversations on a page. I do have mine set to 100.
 
On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Thanks, Nimer.  This is perfect.  In the standard view, is anyone else seeing that NVDA seems to pause after every 10 messages?  It’s almost like it is waiting for 10 more messages to load.  Is this something that is changeable?

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 7:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"

 

Once you open the message, press n. Then, if you want to read the message in more detail, press insert+space to go into browse mode, then navigate as you would a web page.

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:28 PM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

What is the easiest way to navigate quickly to the body of a message in the GMAIL interface with NVDA?

 



On May 5, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

Navigate to settings, see all settings, and under the general tax, close to the bottom, there are radio buttons for turning on and off keyboard shortcuts. I do wish this was easier, nonetheless that is the process. It may be good to utilize screen reader find to find these controls.

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:01 PM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Nimer,

 

This sounds like a great thing to learn. How do you turn on the shortcut keys in gmail? I tried looking for it but couldn't find it.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 5/5/2021 1:50 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

Hello,

 

If Brian gets upset, we'll tell him to get over himself, but this topic is very dear to me, so we can make an exception, I am sure, for discussing non-NVDA topics on this list, although I will do my best to make it relate to NVDA.

 

Trainers are behind the curve on teaching people how to use web apps. Web app developers are creating these wonderful new accessible web apps, and blind people are still stuck with the old, non-web apps. This is a shame, a complete shame.

 

First, I recommend using Gmail on the web instead of Outlook as it does not require an office subscription. It does not require configuring and setting up of email clients. It can be used on any machine with a web browser. It is not necessarily screen reader specific, so for the most part, what works with JAWS will work with NVDA, will work with Narrator, will work with Orca, will work with Voiceover. About the only thing you must know is how to switch between browse and focus mode, or your particular screen reader's name for that command.

 

Why do I say that using Gmail with the standard interface is better than even the basic HTML mode? Because it is much more efficient to traverse through the email list, as long as keyboard shortcuts are turned on and learned. Press up/down arrow to move up and down the list. Press x to select messages. Press e or y to archive messages. Press # to delete them. Press enter to open a thread. Press n to read the next message in the thread, press p to read the prior message in the thread. Press r to reply, a to reply all, f to forward, b to snooze a message and act on it later. Press / to search the messages, and easily type the label name where that message can be found, such as in:sent or in:trash. Easily move messages and sort them into labels and bundles. Easily create events and tasks from emails. Easily chat with, and create meetings with people you wish to interact with, and do so right from Gmail if you wish. Press c to compose, press ctrl+shift+c to 'cc' and press ctrl+shift+b to BCC. Press ctrl+enter to send, ctrl+shift+d to discard. Press lots of commands to format text, create bulleted and numbered lists, adjust blockquote indentations, move to misspelled words, etc. Press tab to look through spelling and grammar suggestions, etc., etc. You can easily find a list of these keyboard shortcuts by pressing ? when logged into Gmail. If you don't like the shortcuts, you can create your own in the Gmail settings. And, much of what you learn can be applied to other sites, too. For instance, on Facebook and on Twitter, keyboard shortcuts exist to accomplish many tasks and to navigate to where you want to go, on YouTube Music and spottify, shortcuts exist to control music playback, and so on. Basic HTML mode doesn't have or allow for these shortcuts.

 

I wish trainers would touch more on web apps, but many still believe that the best way for people to access Gmail is through basic HTML, the best way to check email is with Outlook, and the best thing since sliced bread is a BrailleNote. Technology trainers can be some of the most difficult people to work with because many, not all, are so entrenched in what they know how to teach, how they learned to teach it, and what they themselves are using, that they refuse to open their minds to the possibility that there is a different way of teaching, a new standard out, new types of devices that may benefit people more than what they have been accustomed to. It's the same attitude that won't even show blind people an Android device, instead choosing that iOS is superior and should work best for everyone, never mind the needs and desires of the person they are working with.

 

So, if I can accomplish anything by sending this off-topic thread, and this babble, it is to get people to at least try to step out of the box, try something you may not be comfortable with, and accept that there may be tools and methods out there which will enhance your productivity and make your life easier that don't require struggling with Outlook and Thunderbird. By the way, I don't know if it is because checking email is so popular or what, but I tend to see more email-related qupestions across the varying tech lists with people struggling with Outlook and Thunderbird than pretty much anything else, and very few are using webmail, have given it a fair shot, and still fewer are using webmail through the standard interfaces. Google Docs is accessible, Gmail standard is accessible, Office 365 online web version is accessible, they may require a bit of a learning curve, but they are accessible and usable, and those tools tend to see the most work put into them these days in terms of accessibility and usability across many companies, simply because those tools can be used on Chromebooks, Macs, Linux, Windows, etc., without requiring separate desktop apps. All that is required is a browser and an Internet connection (not even a very fast one.)

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 1:28 PM Louise Pfau <lpfau@...> wrote:

Hi.  I find it easier to navigate the gmail interface with “Basic HTML view” vs. “Standard view”.  This is probably due to the fact that when I was first taught how to set up and work with my gmail account, I was instructed to use “Basic HTML view” in order to get the most accessible interface. I know this is not strictly related to NVDA though.

 

Louise

 

 

--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
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attachments for security threats.


Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970) (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.

 

Thank you, and have a great day!

 

 

--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats.


Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970) (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.

 

Thank you, and have a great day!

 

 

--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats.


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Re: Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"

Jonathan Milam
 



Is there a way in Gmail to skip quickly from the top of a list of messages  to the bottom with NVDA?

Thanks
Jonathan

On May 6, 2021, at 7:26 PM, Thomas N. Chan <thomas.nathan.chan@...> wrote:


It used to be basic html view is the best for screen reader but google has improve tremendously  I dare to say, at least 5 years or so.
the standard view is slow and clunky  and sometimes it just didn't load properly. but thats long time ago when I first started to use more than 10 years ago.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 5:56 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

No issues. I've loaded over 200 messages in my junk folder and have jumped with k to each successive one.

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On 6 May 2021, at 6:40, Nimer Jaber wrote:

Hello,

No, I am not noticing this. Which browser are you using? And, which version of NVDA? There have been improvements made to the responsiveness of Gmail, particularly in the new beta, though they can be toggled on experimentally in the developer settings of NVDA, and I don't remember seeing this issue before anyway.

You can change the number of conversations on a page. I do have mine set to 100.

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Thanks, Nimer.  This is perfect.  In the standard view, is anyone else seeing that NVDA seems to pause after every 10 messages?  It’s almost like it is waiting for 10 more messages to load.  Is this something that is changeable?

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 7:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"

 

Once you open the message, press n. Then, if you want to read the message in more detail, press insert+space to go into browse mode, then navigate as you would a web page.

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:28 PM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

What is the easiest way to navigate quickly to the body of a message in the GMAIL interface with NVDA?

 



On May 5, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

Navigate to settings, see all settings, and under the general tax, close to the bottom, there are radio buttons for turning on and off keyboard shortcuts. I do wish this was easier, nonetheless that is the process. It may be good to utilize screen reader find to find these controls.

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:01 PM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Nimer,

 

This sounds like a great thing to learn. How do you turn on the shortcut keys in gmail? I tried looking for it but couldn't find it.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 5/5/2021 1:50 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

Hello,

 

If Brian gets upset, we'll tell him to get over himself, but this topic is very dear to me, so we can make an exception, I am sure, for discussing non-NVDA topics on this list, although I will do my best to make it relate to NVDA.

 

Trainers are behind the curve on teaching people how to use web apps. Web app developers are creating these wonderful new accessible web apps, and blind people are still stuck with the old, non-web apps. This is a shame, a complete shame.

 

First, I recommend using Gmail on the web instead of Outlook as it does not require an office subscription. It does not require configuring and setting up of email clients. It can be used on any machine with a web browser. It is not necessarily screen reader specific, so for the most part, what works with JAWS will work with NVDA, will work with Narrator, will work with Orca, will work with Voiceover. About the only thing you must know is how to switch between browse and focus mode, or your particular screen reader's name for that command.

 

Why do I say that using Gmail with the standard interface is better than even the basic HTML mode? Because it is much more efficient to traverse through the email list, as long as keyboard shortcuts are turned on and learned. Press up/down arrow to move up and down the list. Press x to select messages. Press e or y to archive messages. Press # to delete them. Press enter to open a thread. Press n to read the next message in the thread, press p to read the prior message in the thread. Press r to reply, a to reply all, f to forward, b to snooze a message and act on it later. Press / to search the messages, and easily type the label name where that message can be found, such as in:sent or in:trash. Easily move messages and sort them into labels and bundles. Easily create events and tasks from emails. Easily chat with, and create meetings with people you wish to interact with, and do so right from Gmail if you wish. Press c to compose, press ctrl+shift+c to 'cc' and press ctrl+shift+b to BCC. Press ctrl+enter to send, ctrl+shift+d to discard. Press lots of commands to format text, create bulleted and numbered lists, adjust blockquote indentations, move to misspelled words, etc. Press tab to look through spelling and grammar suggestions, etc., etc. You can easily find a list of these keyboard shortcuts by pressing ? when logged into Gmail. If you don't like the shortcuts, you can create your own in the Gmail settings. And, much of what you learn can be applied to other sites, too. For instance, on Facebook and on Twitter, keyboard shortcuts exist to accomplish many tasks and to navigate to where you want to go, on YouTube Music and spottify, shortcuts exist to control music playback, and so on. Basic HTML mode doesn't have or allow for these shortcuts.

 

I wish trainers would touch more on web apps, but many still believe that the best way for people to access Gmail is through basic HTML, the best way to check email is with Outlook, and the best thing since sliced bread is a BrailleNote. Technology trainers can be some of the most difficult people to work with because many, not all, are so entrenched in what they know how to teach, how they learned to teach it, and what they themselves are using, that they refuse to open their minds to the possibility that there is a different way of teaching, a new standard out, new types of devices that may benefit people more than what they have been accustomed to. It's the same attitude that won't even show blind people an Android device, instead choosing that iOS is superior and should work best for everyone, never mind the needs and desires of the person they are working with.

 

So, if I can accomplish anything by sending this off-topic thread, and this babble, it is to get people to at least try to step out of the box, try something you may not be comfortable with, and accept that there may be tools and methods out there which will enhance your productivity and make your life easier that don't require struggling with Outlook and Thunderbird. By the way, I don't know if it is because checking email is so popular or what, but I tend to see more email-related qupestions across the varying tech lists with people struggling with Outlook and Thunderbird than pretty much anything else, and very few are using webmail, have given it a fair shot, and still fewer are using webmail through the standard interfaces. Google Docs is accessible, Gmail standard is accessible, Office 365 online web version is accessible, they may require a bit of a learning curve, but they are accessible and usable, and those tools tend to see the most work put into them these days in terms of accessibility and usability across many companies, simply because those tools can be used on Chromebooks, Macs, Linux, Windows, etc., without requiring separate desktop apps. All that is required is a browser and an Internet connection (not even a very fast one.)

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 1:28 PM Louise Pfau <lpfau@...> wrote:

Hi.  I find it easier to navigate the gmail interface with “Basic HTML view” vs. “Standard view”.  This is probably due to the fact that when I was first taught how to set up and work with my gmail account, I was instructed to use “Basic HTML view” in order to get the most accessible interface. I know this is not strictly related to NVDA though.

 

Louise

 

 

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Re: Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I gave up on the pitch change an now set it to beep for capital letters.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rich DeSteno
Sent: 07 May 2021 11:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

I use it all the time and it works quickly and totally accurately.

Rich De Steno

On 5/7/2021 4:58 AM, Gene wrote:

You can do that but that is less efficient and a more cluttered way to do this.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 10:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Change the NVDA settings to say "cap" when an upper case letter is typed.  You will never be in doubt again.

 

Rich De Steno

On 5/6/2021 10:18 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:

Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?

 

Thanks,

 

Louise

 


Re: Password overload!

Greg Epley <greg.epley64@...>
 

I can't vouch for NVDA, but have been using 1Password with JAWS since 2018 or so. I used to use LastPass since it was free, but grew tired of the different ways I had to access it depending on what browser I was using, and finally decided a paid option was preferable.


For the most part, whichever password manager you go with should work under most decent screen readers so long as the password manager is coded with standard OS function. In other words, isn't coded in "eye candy" style for sighted users, like all those iTunes helpers for Windows. I can't say I've had too many problems getting to anything in 1Password, other than when doing an edit on a login, where I've found if I tab one too many times, I suddenly can't get back to any earlier point. My workaround for that has been to either not tab one too many times, or else shift-tab backward up through fields. It's a bit crazy, but it works, and there's always the option of using a web browser to edit entries. However, having said all that, my experience has been that once you get a login set up properly, there's rarely any need to edit a login. Kind of a set it and forget it sort of thing.


I LOVE the 1Password app for iPhone, especially with FaceID. I was previously having to type in my master password on the phone, but now, most times, all I need do is let FaceID do its thing and I'm in and moving along.

-Greg Epley


On 5/6/2021 6:44 PM, ely.r@... wrote:

Evening you NVDA experts.

 

I am overwhelmed by the numbers of passwords needed to do my work. I have to many little Word files each with a secret spell to enter some web site or to start a program. I know there are password managers that promise to ease my anxiety, but I have no idea which of them to trust.

So, good doctors out there, does anyone use a reliable password manager that is accessible to NVDA, easy to use and will not send all those secret words out into the Ethernet.

 

Will your suggestions   be based on at least three months of experience, will your suggested manager work in most situations demanding a PW, and will it be easy to edit when needed?

 

Yes, I know there are drugs for anxiety. I am using those already. They have not fixed the password challenge.

 

Best, Rick and General, Guide Dog Extraordinaire ,


Re: Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

Rich DeSteno
 

I use it all the time and it works quickly and totally accurately.

Rich De Steno
On 5/7/2021 4:58 AM, Gene wrote:

You can do that but that is less efficient and a more cluttered way to do this.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"
 

Change the NVDA settings to say "cap" when an upper case letter is typed.  You will never be in doubt again.

 

Rich De Steno
On 5/6/2021 10:18 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


faced 2 problems while using zoom with NVDA

Sharad Koirala
 

hi group members,

I am facing two problems while using zoom with NVDA:
1. I am not able to access the screen someone has shared in a meeting,
for e.g. when I am attending a powerpoint presentation I cannot access
the slides the presenter has shared during the presentation
2. I am not able to access a link shared in the chat box (I even tried
to copy it when I could not open the link with no success)

what could be the solutions to these problems?

thanks,

--
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Lecturer
Department of Community Medicine
Gandaki Medical College, Pokhara, Nepal


Re: Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

Gene
 

You can do that but that is less efficient and a more cluttered way to do this.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"
 

Change the NVDA settings to say "cap" when an upper case letter is typed.  You will never be in doubt again.

 

Rich De Steno
On 5/6/2021 10:18 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?
 
Thanks,
 
Louise


Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

 

Hi,
I have no idea, as they are sort of tied to language packs and speech languages.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

hi.
whats the extension of installer files for onecore voices?
are they msi or exe or just they are universal windows platform like microsoft store?

On 5/7/21, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You cannot install OneCore voices on versions other than Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

hi quentin.
about microsoft onecore voices,
is it possible that we can install them on any version of windows as exe?
also, does it still need changing the registry?
or does it need downloading these voices, or its installed in all
versions of windows ten by default?

On 5/4/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Bob,

1) Windows OneCore Voices are higher quality and more responsive than
SAPI5, and are the ones actively being worked on by Microsoft. SAPI5
is an older standard which is still widely used so you may find some
third party software (such as Balabolka for instance) which can use
SAPI 5 voices, but not OneCore voices.

2) Speech and beeps is mostly used by people leaving the computer to
perform a long task, who want to hear when it is finished, but don't
want to hear it talking all the time. If you don't have a need for
this mode, there is a NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on which disables it:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/noBeepsSpeechMode.en.html

Quentin.

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:36 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that
NVDA+S toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps
you get with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob





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from the husk of a grain of barley,
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Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

 

hi.
whats the extension of installer files for onecore voices?
are they msi or exe or just they are universal windows platform like
microsoft store?

On 5/7/21, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
You cannot install OneCore voices on versions other than Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a couple questions sparked by recent topics

hi quentin.
about microsoft onecore voices,
is it possible that we can install them on any version of windows as exe?
also, does it still need changing the registry?
or does it need downloading these voices, or its installed in all versions
of windows ten by default?

On 5/4/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Bob,

1) Windows OneCore Voices are higher quality and more responsive than
SAPI5, and are the ones actively being worked on by Microsoft. SAPI5
is an older standard which is still widely used so you may find some
third party software (such as Balabolka for instance) which can use
SAPI 5 voices, but not OneCore voices.

2) Speech and beeps is mostly used by people leaving the computer to
perform a long task, who want to hear when it is finished, but don't
want to hear it talking all the time. If you don't have a need for
this mode, there is a NoBeepsSpeechMode add-on which disables it:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/noBeepsSpeechMode.en.html

Quentin.

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:36 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all,
Two questions, both having been sparked by recent topics:
1. What's the difference between Windows One Core voices and Sapi5
voices? It seems I have the same voices with both systems, with the
addition to One Core of Mark.
2. I'm not sure I understand the speech and beeps setting that NVDA+S
toggles to? What's the difference between that and the beeps you get
with a progress bar?
Thanks,
Bob





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali










--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

dennis huckle
 

Hello,
Gone a long way since then.
A lot to say.
Rather than keep taking up space on this list, and at the risk of repeating myself, e-mail me at
dwhuckle@virginmedia.com
and I can explain how you achieve all I wanted to do.
The list you refer to isn't complete.
I have offered the developer of the braille extender add on, who is a French student and developing this in her spare time, to help produce further documentation.
She hasn't come back yet but I'll help anyone on list if I can.
Its quite good, a lot different to jaws but works with the focus displays.

Get back if you wish on the e-mail shown in this message.
Kind regards,
Dennis huckle.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: 07 May 2021 06:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus 14 Braille display and NVDA

Dennis

I haven't followed all of this thread, and I don't know if this will help or be part of what you want, but have you looked at "Emulated system keyboard keys" under NVDA's input gestures screen?


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"Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm."


Re: Focus keeps shifting in NVDA

 

hi luke.
do you mean that even many laptops dont provide a keystroke for us to
disable builtin regular mouse of our laptops?
how about asus and dell latitude laptops?
do you have informations about these models?

On 4/28/21, Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com> wrote:
Brian Vogel wrote:

doubts about mouse tracking, as far as a regular mouse goes since most
don't keep them anywhere near to where they could bump them by accident,
and most
turn their mousepads off when they're using a screen reader.
Brian, my first thought was about mouse tracking also. Afaik most major
laptop
brands don't allow turning off the touchpad easily without installing some
sort
of third party utility, unless you know something about it I don't?

I can do it on my MSI gaming laptop with FN+F3, but none of my HP laptops
support it that I've ever been able to find. Same for lower end Dells, I
believe.

Luke






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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Focus keeps shifting in NVDA

 

hi brian.
Now, after all of the above, you can use Device Manager to disable a
mousepad/touchpad, and it will remain off between boots on most
systems until you use Device Manager to enable it again:
1. Open Device Manager
2. Expand the Mice and other pointing devices entry.  Under which you
should find your touchpad.  In my case, that is Synaptics SMBus
TouchPad.
3. Select your TouchPad device.
4. Bring up the context menu and see if you have a Disable option.
Mine does not, because it can be disabled by its own control software.
I have seen some that are able to be disabled.  If you've got a
disable option, activate it.  It should now stay disabled until and
unless you were to repeat this process and choose Enable from the same
context menu.
i did your instruction, its very great step by step for us to learn
how we can do our goals.
but unfortunately i dont have disable option for my mouse in device manager.
i have only uninstall and update driver and properties in the device
manager context menu for my mouse.
i should press fn plus f7 everytime that i turn on my laptop.
is there any easier way to disable the mouse without need to press fn
plus f7 everytime?
thanks and God bless you!

On 4/28/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Luke,

First, before I get into how to completely disable the mousepad, including
its left and right click buttons, on any laptop let me restate my opinion:
DON'T do it!! It makes a lot more sense to mask the actual area that moves
the mouse with a thin piece of cardboard (e.g., the back of a notepad or
single or doubled over index card) so that the mouse pointer cannot be moved
but you have access to the actual left and right click buttons, which are
far more reliable when those are called for than any screen reader's
emulation is. At least if those are hard buttons, the mousepads that use a
thin area at the bottom left and right sides that act like those buttons
when touched are problematic.

One should always check the mousepad/touchpad controls in Control Panel. In
the case of the laptop I'm using, an HP 15 series, that item is Synaptics
TouchPad, to determine whether your touchpad supports toggling it on/off as
part of its own controls. I cannot possibly say where these would be
located across brands. It requires looking at the settings to find it.
Some do, some don't. In the case of many Synaptics TouchPads, there is a
setting under Tapping Settings entitled, TouchPad Disable Zone Settings
which, if turned on via its checkbox, makes a double tap at the top left
corner of the TouchPad toggle it on or off. If that checkbox is checked, a
secondary set of radio buttons with the grouping entitled, Top Left Action,
becomes accessible, with the two radio button choices then being Switch
TouchPad off for one session or Switch TouchPad off. I have to believe
"session" in this context means "until restarted" while the just plain off
will stay off, even after reboot, unless one were to intentionally double
tap the upper left corner of the TouchPad.

In addition, if I open Mouse Properties from Control Panel, many laptops
have a checkbox available to Disable internal pointing device when external
USB pointing device is attached. I've seen many people use this, with the
dongle for a keyboard-mouse combo, to use the external keyboard but also
disable the mousepad at the same time whether the wireless mouse is actually
powered on or not. I've also seen people use this and just attach a USB
mouse, then placed "out of the way" as a way to temporarily disable the
TouchPad, but such that a mouse for someone sighted is available or that it
can be unplugged to allow an assistant access to the mousepad.

Now, after all of the above, you can use Device Manager to disable a
mousepad/touchpad, and it will remain off between boots on most systems
until you use Device Manager to enable it again:

1. Open Device Manager
2. Expand the Mice and other pointing devices entry. Under which you should
find your touchpad. In my case, that is Synaptics SMBus TouchPad.
3. Select your TouchPad device.
4. Bring up the context menu and see if you have a Disable option. Mine
does not, because it can be disabled by its own control software. I have
seen some that are able to be disabled. If you've got a disable option,
activate it. It should now stay disabled until and unless you were to
repeat this process and choose Enable from the same context menu.

I personally prefer either masking the touchpad or using the option to
disable it when an external pointing device is connected. It's way easier
to reverse.

By the way, if you're worried about the external mouse possibly being bumped
or moved, it's a simple matter to make what I call "a hobbled mouse" or "a
treated mouse" where you tape over the laser port on the bottom which is
what detects movement over a surface. When that's taped over, the mouse
will not recognize that it's being moved, but the left and right click
buttons (and scroll wheel, if it has one) remain available for use.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless
you hate them. And then you destroy yourself.

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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Strange problem with NVDA and LibreOffice

 

hi quentin.
i remember that i reported thiss issue in libreoffice bug report page,
or at least wrote comment and confirmed thiss issue in the previous
years.
but unfortunately i dont remember the link that i can send it.
i did not use libreoffice since version 6 and dont know that whether
newer versions are more accessible with nvda or not.

On 4/29/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
I believe so - but it's always tricky with issues like that, to know
exactly where the problem needs to be addressed, so absolutely do keep
raising such things here - and also do contact the other program developer
- LibreOffice in this case about it as well) - the more they know about
things which are problematic for their users, the more likely they are to
make it a higher priority. I think there was a linked LibreOffice issue
(on LibreOffice's Bugzilla tracker) as well.

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 5:05 PM Michael Chopra <michaelchopra38@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi. Yes, I read all of that and that appears to be the issue that I'm
talking about. According to that GitHub issue, this appears to be
something that needs to be fixed in LibreOffice, is that right?
Thanks.
From Michael.

On 29/04/2021, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Michael,

Is this the issue you are facing:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4119 There's a lot of
discussion
on that issue, but basically, you press NVDA+down arrow / NVDA+a to say
all, and NVDA only reads the first line or two of the document and
stops?

If so, the workaround I found seems to be effective, is to load your
document, press CONTROL+END to jump to the end of the document, then
control+home back to the start, and then try say all.

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:48 AM Michael Chopra <
michaelchopra38@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi everyone. I have a strange problem. It appears when using the ?Say
all"
command in NVDA with LibreOffice, the command does not work as
expected.
I
use Caps lock as my NVDA modifier key and when I press it, normally it
would start reading from the current cursor positon to the end of the
document. It is not doing that in this instance. If I use the same
command
in Word, it works as expected.
I've been able to reproduce the issue multiple times and was wondering
what was going on here. I'm using Version: 7.1.2.2 (x64 of
LibreOffice.
I
have a friend who was also able to reproduce the issue, we have both
now
switched back to word because of it.
My question then is this, is it an NVDA problem or is it a problem for
LibreOffice to fix?
I'm also using the latest version of NVDA as well.
Thanks for your help.
From Michael.


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Training and Support Manager

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Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
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--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

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