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Re: I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

molly the blind tech lover
 

Good to know. My apologies.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 7:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

Hi,
I advise not advertising beta software unless you add the following disclaimer (or a variant of it): beta is prerelease software, therefore you should use it to test features early or provide feedback to developers.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

Hi . . . There's a beta out now . . . 2020.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 6:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] i don't have nvda version 2019.31!

Hi list members, I have nvda version 2019.3 I don't have the latest version of nvda which came out recently. When I tried to update it said that it was up-to-date. But that couldn't be right since the most recent version was just released not to long ago of this year. Can anyone tell me what I need to do next. Thank you.

Re: I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

 

Hi,
I advise not advertising beta software unless you add the following disclaimer (or a variant of it): beta is prerelease software, therefore you should use it to test features early or provide feedback to developers.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

Hi . . . There's a beta out now . . . 2020.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 6:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] i don't have nvda version 2019.31!

Hi list members, I have nvda version 2019.3 I don't have the latest version of nvda which came out recently. When I tried to update it said that it was up-to-date. But that couldn't be right since the most recent version was just released not to long ago of this year. Can anyone tell me what I need to do next. Thank you.

Re: I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi . . . There's a beta out now . . . 2020.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 6:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] i don't have nvda version 2019.31!

Hi list members, I have nvda version 2019.3 I don't have the latest version of nvda which came out recently. When I tried to update it said that it was up-to-date. But that couldn't be right since the most recent version was just released not to long ago of this year. Can anyone tell me what I need to do next. Thank you.

Re: How can i make sure that i have the latest version of nvda?

Gene
 

Help isn’t in preferences.  It is in the main menu.  Also, that doesn’t explain how to find out what the latest version is.  NVDA has an automatic alert if updates are available.  Unless this has been turned off, you will receive such an alert when you run NVDA.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How can i make sure that i have the latest version of nvda?
 
Hi,

What you do is go to the NVDA menu with insert N. Arrow down to preferences and hit the right arrow to open it. Then arrow down to help. Hit your right arrow on it and arrow down to "about". Hit enter on it and you should hear the version of NVDA.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How can i make sure that i have the latest version of nvda?

Hi list members, i'd like to know how can I make sure that I have the latest version of nvda?  From what I can tell i'm not sure.  P.S. I also have a question concerning nvda and native access.






I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

David Ingram
 

Hi list members, I have nvda version 2019.3 I don't have the latest version of nvda which came out recently. When I tried to update it said that it was up-to-date. But that couldn't be right since the most recent version was just released not to long ago of this year. Can anyone tell me what I need to do next. Thank you.

Re: I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

 

Hi,
Unless I didn't read it properly, did you tell us which NVDA version you've got? If you have any add-ons, you may run into problems as older add-ons will not work properly on NVDA 2019.3.1.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 3:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

Hi list members, I'm unable to update to the latest version of nvda. I'm not sure why this is happening but I have not been able to update to the latest version of nvda. I tried to check for updates but nothing happened. Is there something else that I need to do to make sure that I have the latest version of nvda. I also checked to make sure that I have the latest version of windows 10 and that is working with out any problems I can be reached at dingram269@.... Thank you for any help that you can give me during this time..

I'm not able to update to the latest version of nvda!

David Ingram
 

Hi list members, I'm unable to update to the latest version of nvda. I'm not sure why this is happening but I have not been able to update to the latest version of nvda. I tried to check for updates but nothing happened. Is there something else that I need to do to make sure that I have the latest version of nvda. I also checked to make sure that I have the latest version of windows 10 and that is working with out any problems I can be reached at dingram269@.... Thank you for any help that you can give me during this time..

Re: Windows 10 app essentials office 365 fixes

 

Hi,
At least builds based on Office 2019 will run on Windows 10 only.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 app essentials office 365 fixes

I see, this clears that up alot. But I thought office 365, current versions did not run on any OS except win10?

On 4/12/2020 1:23 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
They will remain with Windows 10 App Essentials for now for two reasons:
1. These issues are caused by UIA notification event, found in Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update) and later.
2. Both fixes for Word 365 will be removed from the add-on once they are part of NVDA (one of them is as of recent alpha snapshots, the other will be part of NVDA alpha once I submit a pull request to NV Access).
Part of the reason why I bundle fixes like this in the add-on is in consideration for those using a version of NVDA that does not include fixes like this - a while ago I released Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.5 emergency patch to let NVDA 2019.2.1 users use Edge 79 or later without turning off UI Automation, which NVDA 2019.3 do have a built-in fix for; same will be the case with Word 365 fixes.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes
saribas
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 app essentials office 365 fixes

Hello,

I recently noticed that several fixes for the UIA issues in office 365 were bundled together with Windows 10 app essentials. However, Microsoft Office is a distinctly seperate product from Windows 10, therefore, wouldn't it be prudent to have an additional addon called office365 essentials to deploy these and future fixes=?






Re: Windows 10 app essentials office 365 fixes

enes sarıbaş
 

I see, this clears that up alot. But I thought office 365, current versions did not run on any OS except win10?

On 4/12/2020 1:23 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
They will remain with Windows 10 App Essentials for now for two reasons:
1. These issues are caused by UIA notification event, found in Windows 10 Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update) and later.
2. Both fixes for Word 365 will be removed from the add-on once they are part of NVDA (one of them is as of recent alpha snapshots, the other will be part of NVDA alpha once I submit a pull request to NV Access).
Part of the reason why I bundle fixes like this in the add-on is in consideration for those using a version of NVDA that does not include fixes like this - a while ago I released Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.5 emergency patch to let NVDA 2019.2.1 users use Edge 79 or later without turning off UI Automation, which NVDA 2019.3 do have a built-in fix for; same will be the case with Word 365 fixes.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 app essentials office 365 fixes

Hello,

I recently noticed that several fixes for the UIA issues in office 365 were bundled together with Windows 10 app essentials. However, Microsoft Office is a distinctly seperate product from Windows 10, therefore, wouldn't it be prudent to have an additional addon called office365 essentials to deploy these and future fixes=?





Re: Meet Me Accessibly – A Guide to Zoom Cloud Meetings

 

First, I would like to thank everyone who has posted the link to Jonathan Mosen's blog page where the noted audio book can be downloaded:  https://mosen.org/zoom/

The direct download link for the book is:  Download Meet Me Accessibly free

For those who may not have JAWS 2019 or later, and may want to use Zoom with JAWS instead of or in addition to NVDA, there were JAWS scripts written for earlier versions of JAWS, downloadable from:   Download the free JAWS scripts

A great deal of additional detail can be found on Mr. Mosen's blog page, and I suggest folks have a read through it.

I am also asking that no more messages in regard to this audio book be posted.  This territory has been covered, many times, over the last several weeks.  The information is available on the group archive, and those who need it later should be searching the group archive for it.  Searching the NVDA Group Archive

Discussions about actually using Zoom are best conducted on the NVDA Chat Subgroup.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Meet Me Accessibly – A Guide to Zoom Cloud Meetings

Richard Kuzma
 

The book is by Jonathan Mozen – not sure if I spelled his name correctly or not,

It is very good but uses JAWS instead of nvda, but the content should lend itself to NVDA.

 

Here is the link to his page for info on the book and to download it.

It is very well done as I have listened to most of it.

Thanks

Link:

https://mosen.org/zoom/

 

Thanks and good luck,

Rich

Re: NVDA and zoom

David Mehler
 

Hi,

With regards Zoom isn't there a tutorial or podcast on the subject? I
can't remember who did it.

Thanks.
Dave.

On 4/12/20, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
Zoom is quite accessible with NVDA. I have been using it off and on since
last April.
******
If we don't take time to think before we speak we may find ourselves in a
situation where our speech becomes a bit stinky!
----- Original Message -----
From: ken lawrence via groups.io
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 3:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and zoom


Hi list ken here with a question. Was just now taking a look at the zoom
site to see how it worked online. I have attended a couple NFB virtual
events but by phone. Is there any instruction on how to use zoom if I want
to go online rather than the phone and is there any add on with NVDA that
might be useful on it? With all the coronavirus stuff wiping out events we
are going to be using zoom quite a bit I think. We have an account now for
our state affiliate of NFB with all the conference call lines tied up. Also
our national convention will be virtual this year.



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Re: How can i make sure that i have the latest version of nvda?

Chris
 

You can use the check for updates option found under the nvda help menu

 

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 12 April 2020 20:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How can i make sure that i have the latest version of nvda?

 

Hi,

 

What you do is go to the NVDA menu with insert N. Arrow down to preferences and hit the right arrow to open it. Then arrow down to help. Hit your right arrow on it and arrow down to "about". Hit enter on it and you should hear the version of NVDA.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram

Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:37 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] How can i make sure that i have the latest version of nvda?

 

Hi list members, i'd like to know how can I make sure that I have the latest version of nvda?  From what I can tell i'm not sure.  P.S. I also have a question concerning nvda and native access.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: How can i make sure that i have the latest version of nvda?

 

In addition to Rosemarie's advice about how to find your current version number, unless you turned off the default option, NVDA should be prompting you to upgrade to the latest version as those are released.  When I fire up NVDA and there's a new version available it reminds me and asks if I want to download and install as the first thing it does.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Re: NVDA and zoom

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


Zoom is quite accessible with NVDA. I have been using it off and on since last April.
******
If we don't take time to think before we speak we may find ourselves in a situation where our speech becomes a bit stinky!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 3:42 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and zoom

Hi list ken here with a question.  Was just now taking a look at the zoom site to see how it worked online.  I have attended a couple NFB virtual events but by phone.  Is there any instruction on how to use zoom if I want to go online rather than the phone and is there any add on with NVDA that might be useful on it?  With all the coronavirus stuff wiping out events we are going to be using zoom quite a bit I think.  We have an account now for our state affiliate of NFB with all the conference call lines tied up. Also our national convention will be virtual this year. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Re: How can i make sure that i have the latest version of nvda?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,

What you do is go to the NVDA menu with insert N. Arrow down to preferences and hit the right arrow to open it. Then arrow down to help. Hit your right arrow on it and arrow down to "about". Hit enter on it and you should hear the version of NVDA.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How can i make sure that i have the latest version of nvda?

Hi list members, i'd like to know how can I make sure that I have the latest version of nvda? From what I can tell i'm not sure. P.S. I also have a question concerning nvda and native access.

How can i make sure that i have the latest version of nvda?

David Ingram
 

Hi list members, i'd like to know how can I make sure that I have the latest version of nvda? From what I can tell i'm not sure. P.S. I also have a question concerning nvda and native access.

Re: A suggestion regarding what I'll call Friendly Feedback messages

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian,

If you follow my messages for help, I always end with:"Thanks for any help."

This solves the issue of thanking the person on list and saves me the trouble of mailing the person off list.  If the help has been really great, I mail them off list anyway.


On 4/12/2020 2:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
And it's only a suggestion, as I don't want to see them snuffed out.  Those of us who get them appreciate them and I know I'm motivated to send them when someone has helped me.

Consider sending things like, "Thanks," "That's great to know," or other non-technical content in response to assistance you've received via the Reply to Sender link at the end of the message where you got that help.  It does help to reduce group traffic and I know that I have had some very pleasant, and meandering, conversations where someone has approached me this way which would never have occurred had the thanks been offered on group.

I say this because as of this moment, we have 1297 members, and every message that gets posted to the group, including this one, lands in everyone's inboxes.  Anything each of us can do to limit actual on-group traffic to focus on NVDA itself is a kindness as it reduces inbox clutter for all those not directly involved in any sort of private exchange.  And while thanking someone isn't truly private, I believe you all understand what I mean in terms of group traffic being reduced.

Just something to consider.  It's not a rule, and I have no intention of lobbying for it to become such.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: To Those Requesting or Sending Logs

 

Hi all,

For reference, whenever you send me a log, please:

  1. Do so privately.
  2. CC info@... so NV Access people can also see it.
  3. Copy and paste the log, or attach it if you prefer.
  4. Once I or NV Access determine what’s going on, I’ll notify the sender unless the forum needs to hear what’s up.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] To Those Requesting or Sending Logs

 

This is my follow-up to Nimer's request that this not be done on-group, as it's easy to both request and send these off-group.

For the vast majority of folks receiving their group messages as single format there is a link, "Reply to Sender," at the bottom of each message.  When activated, a new message should open up in either your webmail or e-mail client with the subject pre-populated with the word, "Private:," followed by the actual topic from the Groups.io conversation [which, of course, you can change].

Correspondence sent this way is entirely private between the two parties involved, and occurs out of sight of the list.  Once whoever starts a back and forth using the Reply to Sender link it stays as a private e-mail exchange between the two parties (or whoever else they might add via adding to their To, Cc, or Bcc fields).

The person requesting the log may want the whole log as an attachment to the e-mail message or copied and pasted into the message from the person they've asked to send it.  It makes sense to specify which you prefer when you make that request for a log from someone.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

A suggestion regarding what I'll call Friendly Feedback messages

 

And it's only a suggestion, as I don't want to see them snuffed out.  Those of us who get them appreciate them and I know I'm motivated to send them when someone has helped me.

Consider sending things like, "Thanks," "That's great to know," or other non-technical content in response to assistance you've received via the Reply to Sender link at the end of the message where you got that help.  It does help to reduce group traffic and I know that I have had some very pleasant, and meandering, conversations where someone has approached me this way which would never have occurred had the thanks been offered on group.

I say this because as of this moment, we have 1297 members, and every message that gets posted to the group, including this one, lands in everyone's inboxes.  Anything each of us can do to limit actual on-group traffic to focus on NVDA itself is a kindness as it reduces inbox clutter for all those not directly involved in any sort of private exchange.  And while thanking someone isn't truly private, I believe you all understand what I mean in terms of group traffic being reduced.

Just something to consider.  It's not a rule, and I have no intention of lobbying for it to become such.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna