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Re: can't play an internet station using waterfox

Richard Kuzma
 

Sorry worng email was replyd to.

Sorry.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 9:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

Oki doki, no problem

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 7:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

This should be moved to the NVDA chat list but I'll say that I more or less accomplished the same thing after seeing your message.  I don't think most people would have the technical knowledge to trouble shoot the problem, but I know enough that I was able to after reading your message. 

 

The person who created the web page will probably get so many complaints that he/she may correct the problem but who knows.

 

At any rate, it was interesting using your discussion to allow me to figure out how to make the stream play using an improperly configured link.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Oriana

Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 6:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

Incidentally, if anyone is interested in collecting radio stations and switching between them like preprogrammed channels on a digital FM radio, all you need to do is collect the stream urls (the urls encapsulated in files such as live.wax) and enter them each on one line in a text file and save it as a .pls filetype, something like radio.pls . Then when you load it into WMP or VLC, you can flip through radio stations simply by using the "next track" button. However, if any one of the streams change their stream url, the media player will skip that radio station and move on to the next, usually without any kind of dialogue or error.

 

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 6:39 AM Oriana via Groups.Io <o.neulinger=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Gene,

 

When you attempt to use the .wax file in VLC, it attempts to resolve to the stream url i posted with the character %20 appended to the end. (I don't know that the error displaying this attempt is displayed accessibly, however, which is likely why the end user was unable to troubleshoot.) %20 is url encoding for space, which is not usually appended to the end of urls. To test my theory that the stream url would work without the space, i downloaded the .wax file, which turned out to be a ".pls by any other name", removed the space in my text editing app Quoda, and opened it as a playlist in VLC... and that solved the problem as i expected. I am not familiar with .wax filetype, but it seems it encodes trailing spaces as being part of the url and thus, it was a typo. The "AAC" playlist file is also VLC compatible, at least on my version of VLC, which means the trailing space is not encoded, if it's present, and it's very likely the "Android" playlist file also ignores spaces, playing as designed in my browser. I suspect the same trailing space issue is present in the fourth playlist file, or possibly, given the error code i received, that the url is missing entirely. (After seeing how many other typos and broken tags are in the HTML for the website, the file could contain the entirety of War And Peace without surprising me.)

 

Note: by ".pls by any other name" what i mean is, most online streaming playlists are nothing more than some kind of text file that includes nothing but one or more actual stream url. This is handy for making shortcuts to the radio station, simply download the file and rename it to the radio station, and run it every time you want to listen - your media player (such as VLC, which is free, low-memory, and handles nearly every filetype you can throw at it) will load the stream url automatically. However, I don't understand why there are so many different "filetypes" for the same, standard behavior... all they are is a text document containing a url!

 

 

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 3:17 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I should also say that trying another browser is still a good idea, but not believing the site and trying the link I discussed is the first thing to do.  it is the easiest, and it may solve the problem, as in this case.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

I'm going into detail of how you may approach a problem like this so you may have a better understanding of what to do in future when you encounter such a problem.  Those who are not interested may want to skip this message.  Those interested may find it useful in future.

 

I see no error in the Windows Mediaplayer link.  I pasted it to the clippboard using the copy address submenu function in Chrome and got the following:

 

There are many listen links but, except for the Android devices link, However, they appear to be somehow coded incorrectly.  They cause Chrome to display a save as dialog, at least on my machine.  Others may report what they do on theirs.  I doubt using another browser would solve the problem, though that is generally one of the first gthings I do in such a case.  But, based on the behavior here, I doubt it will help, though I'm not sure. 

Given the odd behavior, the thing to do is the following:

Never believe a site in such a case.  Site developers may not know what they are doing and they may mislabel links in terms of describing what they do.  Try the android devices link.  I pressed enter on it and the stream played in my browser.  In short, the Android devices link is properly configured and will play in a Windows browser.  It may play using android devices as well but, the person who labeled the link as to its purpose didn't know what the link would do and mislabeled the only one that works.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

www.thegridfm.com.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

There appear to be a number of URLs that get you to this station.  Could you please share the address you're using?

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Re: can't play an internet station using waterfox

Richard Kuzma
 

Oki doki, no problem

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 7:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

This should be moved to the NVDA chat list but I'll say that I more or less accomplished the same thing after seeing your message.  I don't think most people would have the technical knowledge to trouble shoot the problem, but I know enough that I was able to after reading your message. 

 

The person who created the web page will probably get so many complaints that he/she may correct the problem but who knows.

 

At any rate, it was interesting using your discussion to allow me to figure out how to make the stream play using an improperly configured link.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Oriana

Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 6:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

Incidentally, if anyone is interested in collecting radio stations and switching between them like preprogrammed channels on a digital FM radio, all you need to do is collect the stream urls (the urls encapsulated in files such as live.wax) and enter them each on one line in a text file and save it as a .pls filetype, something like radio.pls . Then when you load it into WMP or VLC, you can flip through radio stations simply by using the "next track" button. However, if any one of the streams change their stream url, the media player will skip that radio station and move on to the next, usually without any kind of dialogue or error.

 

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 6:39 AM Oriana via Groups.Io <o.neulinger=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Gene,

 

When you attempt to use the .wax file in VLC, it attempts to resolve to the stream url i posted with the character %20 appended to the end. (I don't know that the error displaying this attempt is displayed accessibly, however, which is likely why the end user was unable to troubleshoot.) %20 is url encoding for space, which is not usually appended to the end of urls. To test my theory that the stream url would work without the space, i downloaded the .wax file, which turned out to be a ".pls by any other name", removed the space in my text editing app Quoda, and opened it as a playlist in VLC... and that solved the problem as i expected. I am not familiar with .wax filetype, but it seems it encodes trailing spaces as being part of the url and thus, it was a typo. The "AAC" playlist file is also VLC compatible, at least on my version of VLC, which means the trailing space is not encoded, if it's present, and it's very likely the "Android" playlist file also ignores spaces, playing as designed in my browser. I suspect the same trailing space issue is present in the fourth playlist file, or possibly, given the error code i received, that the url is missing entirely. (After seeing how many other typos and broken tags are in the HTML for the website, the file could contain the entirety of War And Peace without surprising me.)

 

Note: by ".pls by any other name" what i mean is, most online streaming playlists are nothing more than some kind of text file that includes nothing but one or more actual stream url. This is handy for making shortcuts to the radio station, simply download the file and rename it to the radio station, and run it every time you want to listen - your media player (such as VLC, which is free, low-memory, and handles nearly every filetype you can throw at it) will load the stream url automatically. However, I don't understand why there are so many different "filetypes" for the same, standard behavior... all they are is a text document containing a url!

 

 

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 3:17 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I should also say that trying another browser is still a good idea, but not believing the site and trying the link I discussed is the first thing to do.  it is the easiest, and it may solve the problem, as in this case.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

I'm going into detail of how you may approach a problem like this so you may have a better understanding of what to do in future when you encounter such a problem.  Those who are not interested may want to skip this message.  Those interested may find it useful in future.

 

I see no error in the Windows Mediaplayer link.  I pasted it to the clippboard using the copy address submenu function in Chrome and got the following:

 

There are many listen links but, except for the Android devices link, However, they appear to be somehow coded incorrectly.  They cause Chrome to display a save as dialog, at least on my machine.  Others may report what they do on theirs.  I doubt using another browser would solve the problem, though that is generally one of the first gthings I do in such a case.  But, based on the behavior here, I doubt it will help, though I'm not sure. 

Given the odd behavior, the thing to do is the following:

Never believe a site in such a case.  Site developers may not know what they are doing and they may mislabel links in terms of describing what they do.  Try the android devices link.  I pressed enter on it and the stream played in my browser.  In short, the Android devices link is properly configured and will play in a Windows browser.  It may play using android devices as well but, the person who labeled the link as to its purpose didn't know what the link would do and mislabeled the only one that works.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

www.thegridfm.com.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

There appear to be a number of URLs that get you to this station.  Could you please share the address you're using?

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Re: Recommendation for free or paid app to convert mp3 to text which is accessible with NVDA

Andrea Sherry
 

Perhaps off topic.
However you might try Switch from NCH software.
Andrea

On 27/01/2020 12:17 am, Sim Kah Yong wrote:
Dear all, I have recording of lectures and speeches in MP3 files and I would like to transcribe them into text. Are there app to help me do that without me having to listen and transcribe manually? Of course, the program/app must be accessible. Sorry that this may be  off topic, you can reply me directly. Thank you so much.



Recommendation for free or paid app to convert mp3 to text which is accessible with NVDA

Sim Kah Yong
 

Dear all, I have recording of lectures and speeches in MP3 files and I would like to transcribe them into text. Are there app to help me do that without me having to listen and transcribe manually? Of course, the program/app must be accessible. Sorry that this may be  off topic, you can reply me directly. Thank you so much.

Re: Using Open audible

David Griffith
 

The information was not posted here but on the British Computer Association of the Blind. I thought I had saved the information but cannot presently find it.
I have asked on BCAB if somebody could repost the necessary keystrokes. Hopefully somebody will respond.
David Griffith

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Val Temp
Sent: 26 January 2020 12:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Open audible

Hi David!

This must have been before I joined this list, But i'd be so grateful if you could find this.


Val.

On 26/01/2020 11:24, David Griffith wrote:
From other lists I know that there are lots of visually impaired people using Open Audible.
The issue is that the setup screens are reportedly inaccessible but if you get sighted help beyond this it is apparently completely accessible.
One person posted the key sequences you need to press to ensure setup through the inaccessible setup screens but I am not sure I saved this.
I will have a look and post if I find the instructions.

David Griffith.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Val Temp
Sent: 26 January 2020 08:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Open audible

Thanks.

When I tried it with Jaws, I kind of wondered.

On 26/01/2020 08:21, Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
did a bit of research since the name of the program sounded
interesting. Looks shady to me though, so even if it were accessible
I'd be reluctant to use it.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 26. Jan. 2020 um 09:06 Uhr schrieb Val Temp <val.paul2005@...>:
Hi!

I received an email from a friend telling me to try open audible, but
as this friend has some sight, I have no idea if this is accessible with NVDA.

I have tried to use this program with jaws, but to no avail.

Can someone tell me if this is accessible with NVDA and how to use it?


Val.







Re: Using Open audible

Val Temp <val.paul2005@...>
 

Hi David!

This must have been before I joined this list, But i'd be so grateful if you could find this.


Val.

On 26/01/2020 11:24, David Griffith wrote:
From other lists I know that there are lots of visually impaired people using Open Audible.
The issue is that the setup screens are reportedly inaccessible but if you get sighted help beyond this it is apparently completely accessible.
One person posted the key sequences you need to press to ensure setup through the inaccessible setup screens but I am not sure I saved this.
I will have a look and post if I find the instructions.

David Griffith.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Val Temp
Sent: 26 January 2020 08:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Open audible

Thanks.

When I tried it with Jaws, I kind of wondered.

On 26/01/2020 08:21, Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
did a bit of research since the name of the program sounded
interesting. Looks shady to me though, so even if it were accessible
I'd be reluctant to use it.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 26. Jan. 2020 um 09:06 Uhr schrieb Val Temp <val.paul2005@...>:
Hi!

I received an email from a friend telling me to try open audible, but
as this friend has some sight, I have no idea if this is accessible with NVDA.

I have tried to use this program with jaws, but to no avail.

Can someone tell me if this is accessible with NVDA and how to use it?


Val.






Re: can't play an internet station using waterfox

Gene
 

This should be moved to the NVDA chat list but I'll say that I more or less accomplished the same thing after seeing your message.  I don't think most people would have the technical knowledge to trouble shoot the problem, but I know enough that I was able to after reading your message. 
 
The person who created the web page will probably get so many complaints that he/she may correct the problem but who knows.
 
At any rate, it was interesting using your discussion to allow me to figure out how to make the stream play using an improperly configured link.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Oriana
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

Incidentally, if anyone is interested in collecting radio stations and switching between them like preprogrammed channels on a digital FM radio, all you need to do is collect the stream urls (the urls encapsulated in files such as live.wax) and enter them each on one line in a text file and save it as a .pls filetype, something like radio.pls . Then when you load it into WMP or VLC, you can flip through radio stations simply by using the "next track" button. However, if any one of the streams change their stream url, the media player will skip that radio station and move on to the next, usually without any kind of dialogue or error.

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 6:39 AM Oriana via Groups.Io <o.neulinger=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Gene,

When you attempt to use the .wax file in VLC, it attempts to resolve to the stream url i posted with the character %20 appended to the end. (I don't know that the error displaying this attempt is displayed accessibly, however, which is likely why the end user was unable to troubleshoot.) %20 is url encoding for space, which is not usually appended to the end of urls. To test my theory that the stream url would work without the space, i downloaded the .wax file, which turned out to be a ".pls by any other name", removed the space in my text editing app Quoda, and opened it as a playlist in VLC... and that solved the problem as i expected. I am not familiar with .wax filetype, but it seems it encodes trailing spaces as being part of the url and thus, it was a typo. The "AAC" playlist file is also VLC compatible, at least on my version of VLC, which means the trailing space is not encoded, if it's present, and it's very likely the "Android" playlist file also ignores spaces, playing as designed in my browser. I suspect the same trailing space issue is present in the fourth playlist file, or possibly, given the error code i received, that the url is missing entirely. (After seeing how many other typos and broken tags are in the HTML for the website, the file could contain the entirety of War And Peace without surprising me.)

Note: by ".pls by any other name" what i mean is, most online streaming playlists are nothing more than some kind of text file that includes nothing but one or more actual stream url. This is handy for making shortcuts to the radio station, simply download the file and rename it to the radio station, and run it every time you want to listen - your media player (such as VLC, which is free, low-memory, and handles nearly every filetype you can throw at it) will load the stream url automatically. However, I don't understand why there are so many different "filetypes" for the same, standard behavior... all they are is a text document containing a url!



On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 3:17 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I should also say that trying another browser is still a good idea, but not believing the site and trying the link I discussed is the first thing to do.  it is the easiest, and it may solve the problem, as in this case.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

I'm going into detail of how you may approach a problem like this so you may have a better understanding of what to do in future when you encounter such a problem.  Those who are not interested may want to skip this message.  Those interested may find it useful in future.
 
I see no error in the Windows Mediaplayer link.  I pasted it to the clippboard using the copy address submenu function in Chrome and got the following:
 
There are many listen links but, except for the Android devices link, However, they appear to be somehow coded incorrectly.  They cause Chrome to display a save as dialog, at least on my machine.  Others may report what they do on theirs.  I doubt using another browser would solve the problem, though that is generally one of the first gthings I do in such a case.  But, based on the behavior here, I doubt it will help, though I'm not sure. 
Given the odd behavior, the thing to do is the following:
Never believe a site in such a case.  Site developers may not know what they are doing and they may mislabel links in terms of describing what they do.  Try the android devices link.  I pressed enter on it and the stream played in my browser.  In short, the Android devices link is properly configured and will play in a Windows browser.  It may play using android devices as well but, the person who labeled the link as to its purpose didn't know what the link would do and mislabeled the only one that works.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

www.thegridfm.com.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

There appear to be a number of URLs that get you to this station.  Could you please share the address you're using?

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Re: can't play an internet station using waterfox

Oriana
 

Incidentally, if anyone is interested in collecting radio stations and switching between them like preprogrammed channels on a digital FM radio, all you need to do is collect the stream urls (the urls encapsulated in files such as live.wax) and enter them each on one line in a text file and save it as a .pls filetype, something like radio.pls . Then when you load it into WMP or VLC, you can flip through radio stations simply by using the "next track" button. However, if any one of the streams change their stream url, the media player will skip that radio station and move on to the next, usually without any kind of dialogue or error.


On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 6:39 AM Oriana via Groups.Io <o.neulinger=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Gene,

When you attempt to use the .wax file in VLC, it attempts to resolve to the stream url i posted with the character %20 appended to the end. (I don't know that the error displaying this attempt is displayed accessibly, however, which is likely why the end user was unable to troubleshoot.) %20 is url encoding for space, which is not usually appended to the end of urls. To test my theory that the stream url would work without the space, i downloaded the .wax file, which turned out to be a ".pls by any other name", removed the space in my text editing app Quoda, and opened it as a playlist in VLC... and that solved the problem as i expected. I am not familiar with .wax filetype, but it seems it encodes trailing spaces as being part of the url and thus, it was a typo. The "AAC" playlist file is also VLC compatible, at least on my version of VLC, which means the trailing space is not encoded, if it's present, and it's very likely the "Android" playlist file also ignores spaces, playing as designed in my browser. I suspect the same trailing space issue is present in the fourth playlist file, or possibly, given the error code i received, that the url is missing entirely. (After seeing how many other typos and broken tags are in the HTML for the website, the file could contain the entirety of War And Peace without surprising me.)

Note: by ".pls by any other name" what i mean is, most online streaming playlists are nothing more than some kind of text file that includes nothing but one or more actual stream url. This is handy for making shortcuts to the radio station, simply download the file and rename it to the radio station, and run it every time you want to listen - your media player (such as VLC, which is free, low-memory, and handles nearly every filetype you can throw at it) will load the stream url automatically. However, I don't understand why there are so many different "filetypes" for the same, standard behavior... all they are is a text document containing a url!



On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 3:17 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I should also say that trying another browser is still a good idea, but not believing the site and trying the link I discussed is the first thing to do.  it is the easiest, and it may solve the problem, as in this case.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

I'm going into detail of how you may approach a problem like this so you may have a better understanding of what to do in future when you encounter such a problem.  Those who are not interested may want to skip this message.  Those interested may find it useful in future.
 
I see no error in the Windows Mediaplayer link.  I pasted it to the clippboard using the copy address submenu function in Chrome and got the following:
 
There are many listen links but, except for the Android devices link, However, they appear to be somehow coded incorrectly.  They cause Chrome to display a save as dialog, at least on my machine.  Others may report what they do on theirs.  I doubt using another browser would solve the problem, though that is generally one of the first gthings I do in such a case.  But, based on the behavior here, I doubt it will help, though I'm not sure. 
Given the odd behavior, the thing to do is the following:
Never believe a site in such a case.  Site developers may not know what they are doing and they may mislabel links in terms of describing what they do.  Try the android devices link.  I pressed enter on it and the stream played in my browser.  In short, the Android devices link is properly configured and will play in a Windows browser.  It may play using android devices as well but, the person who labeled the link as to its purpose didn't know what the link would do and mislabeled the only one that works.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

www.thegridfm.com.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

There appear to be a number of URLs that get you to this station.  Could you please share the address you're using?

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Re: can't play an internet station using waterfox

Oriana
 

Gene,

When you attempt to use the .wax file in VLC, it attempts to resolve to the stream url i posted with the character %20 appended to the end. (I don't know that the error displaying this attempt is displayed accessibly, however, which is likely why the end user was unable to troubleshoot.) %20 is url encoding for space, which is not usually appended to the end of urls. To test my theory that the stream url would work without the space, i downloaded the .wax file, which turned out to be a ".pls by any other name", removed the space in my text editing app Quoda, and opened it as a playlist in VLC... and that solved the problem as i expected. I am not familiar with .wax filetype, but it seems it encodes trailing spaces as being part of the url and thus, it was a typo. The "AAC" playlist file is also VLC compatible, at least on my version of VLC, which means the trailing space is not encoded, if it's present, and it's very likely the "Android" playlist file also ignores spaces, playing as designed in my browser. I suspect the same trailing space issue is present in the fourth playlist file, or possibly, given the error code i received, that the url is missing entirely. (After seeing how many other typos and broken tags are in the HTML for the website, the file could contain the entirety of War And Peace without surprising me.)

Note: by ".pls by any other name" what i mean is, most online streaming playlists are nothing more than some kind of text file that includes nothing but one or more actual stream url. This is handy for making shortcuts to the radio station, simply download the file and rename it to the radio station, and run it every time you want to listen - your media player (such as VLC, which is free, low-memory, and handles nearly every filetype you can throw at it) will load the stream url automatically. However, I don't understand why there are so many different "filetypes" for the same, standard behavior... all they are is a text document containing a url!



On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 3:17 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I should also say that trying another browser is still a good idea, but not believing the site and trying the link I discussed is the first thing to do.  it is the easiest, and it may solve the problem, as in this case.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

I'm going into detail of how you may approach a problem like this so you may have a better understanding of what to do in future when you encounter such a problem.  Those who are not interested may want to skip this message.  Those interested may find it useful in future.
 
I see no error in the Windows Mediaplayer link.  I pasted it to the clippboard using the copy address submenu function in Chrome and got the following:
 
There are many listen links but, except for the Android devices link, However, they appear to be somehow coded incorrectly.  They cause Chrome to display a save as dialog, at least on my machine.  Others may report what they do on theirs.  I doubt using another browser would solve the problem, though that is generally one of the first gthings I do in such a case.  But, based on the behavior here, I doubt it will help, though I'm not sure. 
Given the odd behavior, the thing to do is the following:
Never believe a site in such a case.  Site developers may not know what they are doing and they may mislabel links in terms of describing what they do.  Try the android devices link.  I pressed enter on it and the stream played in my browser.  In short, the Android devices link is properly configured and will play in a Windows browser.  It may play using android devices as well but, the person who labeled the link as to its purpose didn't know what the link would do and mislabeled the only one that works.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

www.thegridfm.com.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

There appear to be a number of URLs that get you to this station.  Could you please share the address you're using?

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Re: Using Open audible

 

Oh yikes! So sorry about the lack of international support! Contact them directly about that. I'm just their accessibility guy. Note that they are nowhere near as large as Amazon, but they aim to make this better but keep books DRM free. See contact info below.

Our team is small (but mighty!), so email is the best way to ensure our customers get a quick response. If you’d like to talk to one of our team members on the phone, simply email hello@... with your name, phone number, and the best time to reach you, and we will call you as soon as possible.

Re: Web Capture

Gene
 

The only one is for older versions of Firefox.  You can download it and see instructions for installing it on this page:
https://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=15142
 
As far as Firefox goes, if you use an old version of Firefox portable, you can continue to use your current version of Firefox for general browsing and use Firefox portable for sites you want to solve captchas with.  I know the last version you can use with Webvisum is Firefox 52ESR.  You can download the portable version here:
https://portableapps.com/downloading/?a=FirefoxPortableLegacy52&n=Mozilla%20Firefox,%20Portable%20Edition%20Legacy%20%2052&s=s&p=&d=pa&f=FirefoxPortableLegacy52_52.9.0_English.paf.exe
 
Run the installer.  It is a portable version so it won't put anything on your machine but the program.  Open the folder where the program is, and find the exe file.  Press enter and the program will run.  Make a shortcut on the desktop and assign a shortcut key for convenient running.
Probably just typing f once in the folder will take you to the exe file.
 
Before you use Webvisum, you will have to set up an account on the Webvisum site:
https://www.webvisum.com/
 
At some point, you will have to ask on list for an invitation.  The site isn't monitored by the developer any longer and you can't get an invitation there.
 
Gene
 

Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Capture

I need a n v d a. addon for captcha

On 1/26/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> CAPTCHA Be Gone is no longer available.  Webvisum works with old versions of
> Firefox, if you want to try it.  I can provide more information if you are
> interested.  I don't know if it will work with the captchas you want to
> solve.  And the name is c a p t c h a, not capture.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 4:42 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Capture
>
>
> captcha begone nvdaNVDA. style or a addOn my viewpoint Please tell
> NVDA addon maniger josofe leee
>
> On 1/26/20, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:
>> I've encountered something like this on the steam platform.  It's
>> horrible.
>> At 04:32 PM 1/26/2020, you wrote:
>>>Something that is NVDA friendly and will read those pesky things
>>>which you are expected to enter as a response on a webpage to prove
>>>you are a genuine person and not some form of robot.
>>>There was once something called Rumola or some such.
>>>One of the major probs is that the capture graphic or whatever it is
>>>only inhabits the screen for a short time.
>>>Any ideas?
>>>Andrea
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Re: Using Open audible

David Griffith
 

From other lists I know that there are lots of visually impaired people using Open Audible.
The issue is that the setup screens are reportedly inaccessible but if you get sighted help beyond this it is apparently completely accessible.
One person posted the key sequences you need to press to ensure setup through the inaccessible setup screens but I am not sure I saved this.
I will have a look and post if I find the instructions.

David Griffith.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Val Temp
Sent: 26 January 2020 08:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Open audible

Thanks.

When I tried it with Jaws, I kind of wondered.

On 26/01/2020 08:21, Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
did a bit of research since the name of the program sounded
interesting. Looks shady to me though, so even if it were accessible
I'd be reluctant to use it.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 26. Jan. 2020 um 09:06 Uhr schrieb Val Temp <val.paul2005@...>:
Hi!

I received an email from a friend telling me to try open audible, but
as this friend has some sight, I have no idea if this is accessible with NVDA.

I have tried to use this program with jaws, but to no avail.

Can someone tell me if this is accessible with NVDA and how to use it?


Val.



Re: Using Open audible

David Griffith
 

I looked at this and unfortunately it is only available in the USA as a membership so not really an option for those of us in the UK and elsewhere.

David Griffith

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: 26 January 2020 11:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Open audible

 

No, I've never used Open Audible. but, a bit of a shameless plug, Libro.FM allows you to buy DRM free, downloadable audiobooks, and gives you the option to support your local independent bookstore if desired. The team listened very closely to my feedback with NVDA and on mobile apps. I did the best I could without having an Android device, but they just released an IOS update that addresses a ton of VoiceOver navigational quirks. I consulted using NVDA but the site should work with JAWS. They loved my feedback so much they said, explicitly, they will hire me again when they have the budget to pay me again and to do a big batch of accessibility work, which is certainly on the roadmap. Gotta say, they payed me on time, and payed me via direct deposit, which was nice. They really want to adopt a culture of accessibility, even if it takes time to do so. My affiliate link is below. If you don't want a membership, buy any audiobook without the membership and the affiliate link will still work.

Affiliate link for monthly membership.

Re: Web Capture

Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo
 

I need a n v d a. addon for captcha

On 1/26/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
CAPTCHA Be Gone is no longer available. Webvisum works with old versions of
Firefox, if you want to try it. I can provide more information if you are
interested. I don't know if it will work with the captchas you want to
solve. And the name is c a p t c h a, not capture.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Capture


captcha begone nvdaNVDA. style or a addOn my viewpoint Please tell
NVDA addon maniger josofe leee

On 1/26/20, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:
I've encountered something like this on the steam platform. It's
horrible.
At 04:32 PM 1/26/2020, you wrote:
Something that is NVDA friendly and will read those pesky things
which you are expected to enter as a response on a webpage to prove
you are a genuine person and not some form of robot.
There was once something called Rumola or some such.
One of the major probs is that the capture graphic or whatever it is
only inhabits the screen for a short time.
Any ideas?
Andrea








Re: Web Capture

Gene
 

CAPTCHA Be Gone is no longer available.  Webvisum works with old versions of Firefox, if you want to try it.  I can provide more information if you are interested.  I don't know if it will work with the captchas you want to solve.  And the name is c a p t c h a, not capture.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Capture

captcha begone nvdaNVDA. style or a addOn my viewpoint Please tell
NVDA addon maniger josofe leee

On 1/26/20, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:
> I've encountered something like this on the steam platform.  It's horrible.
> At 04:32 PM 1/26/2020, you wrote:
>>Something that is NVDA friendly and will read those pesky things
>>which you are expected to enter as a response on a webpage to prove
>>you are a genuine person and not some form of robot.
>>There was once something called Rumola or some such.
>>One of the major probs is that the capture graphic or whatever it is
>>only inhabits the screen for a short time.
>>Any ideas?
>>Andrea
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


Re: Using Open audible

 

No, I've never used Open Audible. but, a bit of a shameless plug, Libro.FM allows you to buy DRM free, downloadable audiobooks, and gives you the option to support your local independent bookstore if desired. The team listened very closely to my feedback with NVDA and on mobile apps. I did the best I could without having an Android device, but they just released an IOS update that addresses a ton of VoiceOver navigational quirks. I consulted using NVDA but the site should work with JAWS. They loved my feedback so much they said, explicitly, they will hire me again when they have the budget to pay me again and to do a big batch of accessibility work, which is certainly on the roadmap. Gotta say, they payed me on time, and payed me via direct deposit, which was nice. They really want to adopt a culture of accessibility, even if it takes time to do so. My affiliate link is below. If you don't want a membership, buy any audiobook without the membership and the affiliate link will still work.

Affiliate link for monthly membership.

Re: Web Capture

Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo
 

captcha begone nvdaNVDA. style or a addOn my viewpoint Please tell
NVDA addon maniger josofe leee

On 1/26/20, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:
I've encountered something like this on the steam platform. It's horrible.
At 04:32 PM 1/26/2020, you wrote:
Something that is NVDA friendly and will read those pesky things
which you are expected to enter as a response on a webpage to prove
you are a genuine person and not some form of robot.
There was once something called Rumola or some such.
One of the major probs is that the capture graphic or whatever it is
only inhabits the screen for a short time.
Any ideas?
Andrea




Re: Using Open audible

Val Temp <val.paul2005@...>
 

Thanks.

When I tried it with Jaws, I kind of wondered.

On 26/01/2020 08:21, Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
did a bit of research since the name of the program sounded
interesting. Looks shady to me though, so even if it were accessible
I'd be reluctant to use it.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 26. Jan. 2020 um 09:06 Uhr schrieb Val Temp <val.paul2005@...>:
Hi!

I received an email from a friend telling me to try open audible, but as
this friend has some sight, I have no idea if this is accessible with NVDA.

I have tried to use this program with jaws, but to no avail.

Can someone tell me if this is accessible with NVDA and how to use it?


Val.



Re: Using Open audible

Felix G.
 

Hi,
did a bit of research since the name of the program sounded
interesting. Looks shady to me though, so even if it were accessible
I'd be reluctant to use it.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 26. Jan. 2020 um 09:06 Uhr schrieb Val Temp <val.paul2005@...>:


Hi!

I received an email from a friend telling me to try open audible, but as
this friend has some sight, I have no idea if this is accessible with NVDA.

I have tried to use this program with jaws, but to no avail.

Can someone tell me if this is accessible with NVDA and how to use it?


Val.



Re: can't play an internet station using waterfox

Gene
 

I should also say that trying another browser is still a good idea, but not believing the site and trying the link I discussed is the first thing to do.  it is the easiest, and it may solve the problem, as in this case.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

I'm going into detail of how you may approach a problem like this so you may have a better understanding of what to do in future when you encounter such a problem.  Those who are not interested may want to skip this message.  Those interested may find it useful in future.
 
I see no error in the Windows Mediaplayer link.  I pasted it to the clippboard using the copy address submenu function in Chrome and got the following:
 
There are many listen links but, except for the Android devices link, However, they appear to be somehow coded incorrectly.  They cause Chrome to display a save as dialog, at least on my machine.  Others may report what they do on theirs.  I doubt using another browser would solve the problem, though that is generally one of the first gthings I do in such a case.  But, based on the behavior here, I doubt it will help, though I'm not sure. 
Given the odd behavior, the thing to do is the following:
Never believe a site in such a case.  Site developers may not know what they are doing and they may mislabel links in terms of describing what they do.  Try the android devices link.  I pressed enter on it and the stream played in my browser.  In short, the Android devices link is properly configured and will play in a Windows browser.  It may play using android devices as well but, the person who labeled the link as to its purpose didn't know what the link would do and mislabeled the only one that works.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

www.thegridfm.com.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

There appear to be a number of URLs that get you to this station.  Could you please share the address you're using?

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna