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Re: A possible problem with the beta

Quentin Christensen
 

Just checking Gene, the subject says possible problem with the beta, but in the message you say it's been an issue in recent versions - Is something different in the Beta?  Does it recognise if you use one of the other options to report capitals (say cap or beep)?  And can you otherwise change the pitch of the voice?

The last SAPI 4 issue I recall being involved in was this one: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8400 interestingly also about pitch - there was a problem if you set pitch to 100% (because in rounding it ended up trying to set it to 101% from memory, which was out of range).  Actually, I never did get confirmation from the original user whether that issue was still present - so if you are interested, if you could check that issue out as well that would help too please.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:02 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I use Via Voice with NVDA.  It is installed by other programs I use and it
is unrestricted. If I use SAPI 4, Via Voice is used.  I'm using Windows 7.
The capital pitch change doesn't work.  I've verified this by trying many
pitch settings.  Is this a more general problem or does it only affect MSAPI
4 or MSAPI4 when used with Via Voice?  Which is another way of asking if the
problem is so limited it may not be worth addressing or if it’s a more
general one.

I've noticed this in recent versions of NVDA.  I wonder if it is related to
the change in Python.

Gene






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Re: NVDA Highlighter Window

Laughing Thunder
 

That's a little odd. If you have a checkbox that's half-checked, just use space to toggle it until it's unchecked. If you don't need the focus highlighting that is.

On 7/15/2020 4:00 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

Thanks, I haven’t altered my settings recently and it suddenly appeared but has now gone.  I have just checked the Vision settings, Enable Highlighting is half-checked but I’ve no idea what that means   and Highlight System Focus is checked.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Laughing Thunder
Sent: 15 July 2020 18:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Highlighter Window

 

If you have it set to highlight the focus, or browse mode cursors visually, that’s what this is. If you turn those off in the visuals category of the Settings dialogue, the window will go away. Otherwise, just ignore it as it’s related to the focus highlighting.



On Jul 15, 2020, at 5:40 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:



Hi

I have a window on my task bar entitled “NVDA Highlighter Window” but when I attempt to switch focus to it, it is unavailable.  Any idea what this is?

I am using:

 

NVDA version 2020.1

Windows 10 Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.388)

 

Cheers

Chris

                                               

 

 


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Re: problems with braille and NVDA

Sam Taylor
 

Hi Afik,


When you press the arrow keys on your QBraille, does it emulate cursor movement? Have you enabled hybrid mode?

Do you still have a Braille connection to NVDA? Does the same behaviour occur if you restart NVDA with addons disabled?

Thanks

Sam


On 16/07/2020 5:39 am, Afik Souffir wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I’m using NVDA RC 2020.2 and the latest version of braille extender.

 

For sevral days, sometimes, I can hear text, but its not shows on my braille display, in this case QBraille XL

 

 

Please help with this .

 

 

Afik

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: NVDA Highlighter Window

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Thanks, I haven’t altered my settings recently and it suddenly appeared but has now gone.  I have just checked the Vision settings, Enable Highlighting is half-checked but I’ve no idea what that means   and Highlight System Focus is checked.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Laughing Thunder
Sent: 15 July 2020 18:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Highlighter Window

 

If you have it set to highlight the focus, or browse mode cursors visually, that’s what this is. If you turn those off in the visuals category of the Settings dialogue, the window will go away. Otherwise, just ignore it as it’s related to the focus highlighting.



On Jul 15, 2020, at 5:40 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:



Hi

I have a window on my task bar entitled “NVDA Highlighter Window” but when I attempt to switch focus to it, it is unavailable.  Any idea what this is?

I am using:

 

NVDA version 2020.1

Windows 10 Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.388)

 

Cheers

Chris

                                               

 

 


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strange little problem using nvda help and whats new.

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi all, I have MS edge as the default browser, but each time I hit nvda h then the letter n for WATS new firefox opens why? and Yes it is set to edge as default.


Windows 10 App Essentials: 20.07.2 is on its way, 20.08 to require NVDA 2020.1 or later #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 20.07.2 is on its way – I expect it’ll go live later today. This release includes latest translations and Open With dialog fix that was originally sent to version 2004 users will now show up for folks using Version 1909.

 

IMPORTANT: version 20.07.2 is the last version to support NVDA 2019.3. The next release (20.08) will require NVDA 2020.1 or later due to add-on support policy (Windows 10 App Essentials supports current, immediate past, and development versions of NVDA; by August 2020, this set will consist of 2020.1 (immediate past), 2020.2 stable (current), and NVDA development snapshots).

 

Cheers,

Joseph


problems with braille and NVDA

Afik Souffir
 

 

Hi,

 

I’m using NVDA RC 2020.2 and the latest version of braille extender.

 

For sevral days, sometimes, I can hear text, but its not shows on my braille display, in this case QBraille XL

 

 

Please help with this .

 

 

Afik

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: NVDA Highlighter Window

Laughing Thunder
 

If you have it set to highlight the focus, or browse mode cursors visually, that’s what this is. If you turn those off in the visuals category of the Settings dialogue, the window will go away. Otherwise, just ignore it as it’s related to the focus highlighting.


On Jul 15, 2020, at 5:40 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:



Hi

I have a window on my task bar entitled “NVDA Highlighter Window” but when I attempt to switch focus to it, it is unavailable.  Any idea what this is?

I am using:

 

NVDA version 2020.1

Windows 10 Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.388)

 

Cheers

Chris

                                               

 

 


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Re: A possible problem with the beta

Gene
 

I should add that I am using Windows 7.

I checked now with ESpeak and Microsoft Anna, and pitch change works. However, I wonder if pitch change doesn't work with Eloquence since Eloquence and Via Voice are so similar. If it doesn't work with Eloquence, that is a more serious problem since many people use it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 11:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A possible problem with the beta

I use Via Voice with NVDA. It is installed by other programs I use and it
is unrestricted. If I use SAPI 4, Via Voice is used. I'm using Windows 7.
The capital pitch change doesn't work. I've verified this by trying many
pitch settings. Is this a more general problem or does it only affect MSAPI
4 or MSAPI4 when used with Via Voice? Which is another way of asking if the
problem is so limited it may not be worth addressing or if it’s a more
general one.

I've noticed this in recent versions of NVDA. I wonder if it is related to
the change in Python.

Gene


A possible problem with the beta

Gene
 

I use Via Voice with NVDA. It is installed by other programs I use and it is unrestricted. If I use SAPI 4, Via Voice is used. I'm using Windows 7. The capital pitch change doesn't work. I've verified this by trying many pitch settings. Is this a more general problem or does it only affect MSAPI 4 or MSAPI4 when used with Via Voice? Which is another way of asking if the problem is so limited it may not be worth addressing or if it’s a more general one.

I've noticed this in recent versions of NVDA. I wonder if it is related to the change in Python.

Gene


Re: NVDA 2020.2 Release Candidate 1 is now available!

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,


I just downloaded the new RC release and so-far it's working great for me. Thank you for all you do for us.


Rosemarie



On 7/15/2020 3:11 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
The NVDA 2020.2 Release Candidate (RC) is now available! We encourage all users to download this RC and provide feedback. Unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to the final 2020.2 release. Read more and download the RC from https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-2rc1/

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Re: nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

Fresh Start
 

Thank you very much.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

 

Hi,

Do the following as exactly as I tell you:

  1. Press NVDA key and Q to open Exit NVDA dialog.
  2. From Exit NVDA dialog, select “restart with debug logging enabled” and press Enter.
  3. Use NVDA as you would, including from files and folders list.
  4. After the problem is reproduced, press NVDA key and F1, copy everything, and paste it as a private email to me (private email is required to protect privacy and to comply with debug log data policy on this forum). After I get the log and do some work, I’ll come back here and let folks know what might be happening.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fresh Start
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 2:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

 

Yes it still did so I should send a log.  Please explain how to do that please.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when pressing first letter

 

Did you restart with all add ons disabled per someone's instructions and see if it happens then? If it does, send a log to the nvda support folks.

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On 13 Jul 2020, at 14:13, Fresh Start wrote:

Hi everyone, I did disable the one addon, clipspeak most current version.
There isn't any change concerning first letter navigation on the desktop or
in a list of files.
Speech other than that is working fine. But it would be nice to move by the
first letter navigation. So if anyone has any ideas how to get it back I
would appreciate them. I have NVDA on two three computers and all works
fine. Thanks for responding to my questions.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 3:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi,
I suspect NVDA is not being notified about selection changes, sometimes
caused by an add-on or a setting interfering with what NVDA is supposed to
do. To test, try restarting with all add-ons disabled, and if that solves
the issue, we can move onto isolating individual add-ons.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

The original message doesn't say there is no speech. It gives one specific
condition where there is no speech, when you use first letter navigation in
a list. Since there is speech, the possible solutions don't apply.

I have no reason why no speech occurs at that one specific time. Using read
current line should easily solve the problem and the command takes almost no
time to execute. It may be possible to find the reason by examining the log
but there are some problems that are so minor and so easily worked around
that they aren't worth solving, though you may, if you wish to, pursue it,
of course.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda not speaking program/icon on the desktop when
pressing first letter

Hi

I am sure you would of checked the following on the computer.

One that his speakers are plugged into the right whole and turned on.

On the computer the sound is not muted.

Press the windows key + letter R to bring up the run dialogue then type in
sndvol then press the enter key.

The next screen that comes up will have the master volume make sure it is
right up so you can hear it and not down on zero.

There is a box under it if checked it will mute the sound so make sure it is

un checked.

If you can see nvda is running but not talking under that section I think
there is a slider to make it louder there.

Also check when nvda is running that under the synth settings in nvda you
press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter S to bring it up.

Make sure under the synth section that it has a synth there and not set to
no speech if it is set to that change it to e speak or another synth
package.

Gene nz

On 13/07/2020 2:25 am, Fresh Start wrote:

Hi All, I am using NVDA 20.1 on a client's windows ten pro laptop. When on
the desktop or in a list of programs or files, NVDA doesn't speak the name
of a program or file when pressing it's first letter. However, the cursor
does go to the location. I know this by arrowing up and then down. I tried

maximizing but didn't cause any change in behavior. Any ideas to resolve
the problem? Thanks in advance.

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NVDA Highlighter Window

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I have a window on my task bar entitled “NVDA Highlighter Window” but when I attempt to switch focus to it, it is unavailable.  Any idea what this is?

I am using:

 

NVDA version 2020.1

Windows 10 Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.388)

 

Cheers

Chris

                                               

 

 


NVDA 2020.2 Release Candidate 1 is now available!

Quentin Christensen
 

The NVDA 2020.2 Release Candidate (RC) is now available! We encourage all users to download this RC and provide feedback. Unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to the final 2020.2 release. Read more and download the RC from https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-2rc1/

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Re: Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

Gene
 

I haven't worked with Notepad++ and I'll let others discuss if they have such problems.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: William Wong
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 12:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

Not exactly have not read the file.

I here give two possible use situation for your reference


Case 1. I am reading a long article from a site, and I want to select
the core text of the page and excluding other rubbish

After reading the article

1. I use h to located the article heading

2. Press nvda f9

3. use shortcut to locate end of the article, e.g. use h to find heading
of comment

4. press nvda f10 twice


If not doing so, After finding the article heading I have to press ctrl
shift down arrow many many many times in order to find the end of the
article


Case 2: I am reading or editing a very long txt document and want to
select part of the text


1. Probably I first use the find function of notepad++ to search for the
end point

2. use normal keyboard keys to find the begining

3. press f3 to jump to the next search

4. use f10 to mark as end selection


And if not doing so, holding shift key and down arrow to find the end
point of selection may cost extra time





Gene 於 15/7/2020 9:04 寫道:
If I understand your message, which I may not have when I first answered it, you are saying that if you haven't read the material before, you can set the start place, then set the end place as you read. That's true. I don't know how many people select in that way. I don't recall ever selecting material unless I know already what I want to select.

Does the problem you are describing only occur on specific programs or in general?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

You can move to the start point, then hold shift and move down by line while
holding the shift key, not releasing it at all. You will hear each line you
are selecting as you move. In your message, you said you first mark the
start point, then move to the end of the message. So in your example, you
want to select from the start point to the end of the message. Move to the
start point, then use the command control shift end to move to the end of
the file and select from the start point to the end.

When you select, you use the movement commands with the shift added. You
can hold the shift and move and hear what you are moving through such as
holding the shift, not releasing it, and repeatedly pressing down arrow.
You can use more than one movement command. You can use shift down arrow,
then use shift plus right arrow.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: William Wong
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

Hi thanks for the reply.

I know the normal way of Window selection by shift key, but using shift
key I have to keep pressing the shift key till I find the correct end
point of selection.

I found nvda f9/10 useful is because I can first mark the start point
with nvda f9, then I can move on to read the rest of the content and
decide on where to end selection.



Luke Davis 於 15/7/2020 0:23 寫道:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2020, William Wong wrote:

I came across a bug:
This is not a bug. You have conflated (confused) two different kinds of selection.

1. open any txt file with Notepad ++
2. select a start position by nvda f9
That is selecting with review mode. You should then use review commands (number pad in desktop keyboard mode), and then NVDA+F10 when you're finished (possibly twice).

This should only be used when the windows selection commands don't work.

> 3. press ctrl end to move to end of document

You are now moving cursors and such, which changes the screen. That will make review mode commands unpredictable. You can not use cursor movement commands while using review commands, and expect the review commands to keep working.

4. press nvda f10 to mark as end position
The review mode is only intended to work on a static screen. When you start changing the screen out from under it, you can't expect the review mode copy method to work any more. It's not a bug, that's how it's supposed to work. In fact it can't be any other way.

In an environment like NotepadPlusPlus, you can just use normal Windows selection and copy commands. Control+A to select all; Shift and arrow keys to select by character or line; shift and control+arrow keys to select words; Shift and home/end to select to start/end of line; and shift+control+home/end to select to the beginning/end of the document.

You should leave NVDA+F9/F10 out of it in applications like this.

Luke







Re: Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

William Wong
 

Not exactly have not read the file.

I here give two possible use situation for your reference


Case 1. I am reading a long article from a site, and I want to select the core text of the page and excluding other rubbish

After reading the article

1. I use h to located the article heading

2. Press nvda f9

3. use shortcut to locate end of the article, e.g. use h to find heading of comment

4. press nvda f10 twice


If not doing so, After finding the article heading I have to press ctrl shift down arrow many many many times in order to find the end of the article


Case 2: I am reading or editing a very long txt document and want to select part of the text


1. Probably I first use the find function of notepad++ to search for the end point

2. use normal keyboard keys to find the begining

3. press f3 to jump to the next search

4. use f10 to mark as end selection


And if not doing so, holding shift key and down arrow to find the end point of selection may cost extra time





Gene 於 15/7/2020 9:04 寫道:

If I understand your message, which I may not have when I first answered it, you are saying that if you haven't read the material before, you can set the start place, then set the end place as you read.  That's true.  I don't know how many people select in that way.  I don't recall ever selecting material unless I know already what I want to select.

Does the problem you are describing only occur on specific programs or in general?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

You can move to the start point, then hold shift and move down by line while
holding the shift key, not releasing it at all.  You will hear each line you
are selecting as you move.  In your message, you said you first mark the
start point, then move to the end of the message.  So in your example, you
want to select from the start point to the end of the message. Move to the
start point, then use the command control shift end to move to the end of
the file and select from the start point to the end.

When you select, you use the movement commands with the shift added.  You
can hold the shift and move and hear what you are moving through such as
holding the shift, not releasing it, and repeatedly pressing down arrow.
You can use more than one movement command.  You can use shift down arrow,
then use shift plus right arrow.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: William Wong
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

Hi thanks for the reply.

I know the normal way of Window selection by shift key, but using shift
key I have to keep pressing the shift key till I find the correct end
point of selection.

I found nvda f9/10 useful is because I can first mark the start point
with nvda f9, then I can move on to read the rest of the content and
decide on where to end selection.



Luke Davis 於 15/7/2020 0:23 寫道:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2020, William Wong wrote:

I came across a bug:
This is not a bug. You have conflated (confused) two different kinds of selection.

1. open any txt file with Notepad ++
2. select a start position by nvda f9
That is selecting with review mode. You should then use review commands (number pad in desktop keyboard mode), and then NVDA+F10 when you're finished (possibly twice).

This should only be used when the windows selection commands don't work.

 > 3. press ctrl end to move to end of document

You are now moving cursors and such, which changes the screen. That will make review mode commands unpredictable. You can not use cursor movement commands while using review commands, and expect the review commands to keep working.

4. press nvda f10 to mark as end position
The review mode is only intended to work on a static screen. When you start changing the screen out from under it, you can't expect the review mode copy method to work any more. It's not a bug, that's how it's supposed to work. In fact it can't be any other way.

In an environment like NotepadPlusPlus, you can just use normal Windows selection and copy commands. Control+A to select all; Shift and arrow keys to select by character or line; shift and control+arrow keys to select words; Shift and home/end to select to start/end of line; and shift+control+home/end to select to the beginning/end of the document.

You should leave NVDA+F9/F10 out of it in applications like this.

Luke






Re: Focus Highlight and NVDA 2020.1

 

Hi,

I get a suspicion that somehow settings from the add-on version of Focus Highlight might be interfering with NVDA built-in version. To confirm, reset settings to defaults, and try if Focus Highlight option is usable.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus Highlight and NVDA 2020.1

 

Brian,

 

I had a look through our issues and while there are several there for, or involving, focus highlight, none seemed to match the problems you've encountered.  If it does happen again, please do send me a log if you can (and if you can, ideally at debug level and with add-ons disabled, just in case).

 

One thing I did just try, is setting Windows 10 to High Contrast Mode and using Focus Highlight, and that works for me with Windows 10 1903 and 1909 using NVDA 2020.2beta2 at least.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 9:10 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I did not create a ticket, at least not yet.

And since using High Contrast under Windows can obscure many things that would otherwise appear, I'd definitely try turning that off to see if something appears.  There are times where you can't have everything you want at once.  I had the same sort of issues when using ZoomText with color tweaking.  It took precedence over certain things and, as a result, obscured their very existence.

If it turns out that High Contrast and Focus Highlight are not playing well together, a feature request to make Focus Highlight sense whether High Contrast is turned on, and modify what gets used as the framing color based on whether it's in a regular theme or a high contrast one.

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Re: Focus Highlight and NVDA 2020.1

Quentin Christensen
 

Brian,

I had a look through our issues and while there are several there for, or involving, focus highlight, none seemed to match the problems you've encountered.  If it does happen again, please do send me a log if you can (and if you can, ideally at debug level and with add-ons disabled, just in case).

One thing I did just try, is setting Windows 10 to High Contrast Mode and using Focus Highlight, and that works for me with Windows 10 1903 and 1909 using NVDA 2020.2beta2 at least.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 9:10 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
I did not create a ticket, at least not yet.

And since using High Contrast under Windows can obscure many things that would otherwise appear, I'd definitely try turning that off to see if something appears.  There are times where you can't have everything you want at once.  I had the same sort of issues when using ZoomText with color tweaking.  It took precedence over certain things and, as a result, obscured their very existence.

If it turns out that High Contrast and Focus Highlight are not playing well together, a feature request to make Focus Highlight sense whether High Contrast is turned on, and modify what gets used as the framing color based on whether it's in a regular theme or a high contrast one.

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Re: Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

Gene
 

If I understand your message, which I may not have when I first answered it, you are saying that if you haven't read the material before, you can set the start place, then set the end place as you read. That's true. I don't know how many people select in that way. I don't recall ever selecting material unless I know already what I want to select.

Does the problem you are describing only occur on specific programs or in general?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

You can move to the start point, then hold shift and move down by line while
holding the shift key, not releasing it at all. You will hear each line you
are selecting as you move. In your message, you said you first mark the
start point, then move to the end of the message. So in your example, you
want to select from the start point to the end of the message. Move to the
start point, then use the command control shift end to move to the end of
the file and select from the start point to the end.

When you select, you use the movement commands with the shift added. You
can hold the shift and move and hear what you are moving through such as
holding the shift, not releasing it, and repeatedly pressing down arrow.
You can use more than one movement command. You can use shift down arrow,
then use shift plus right arrow.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: William Wong
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

Hi thanks for the reply.

I know the normal way of Window selection by shift key, but using shift
key I have to keep pressing the shift key till I find the correct end
point of selection.

I found nvda f9/10 useful is because I can first mark the start point
with nvda f9, then I can move on to read the rest of the content and
decide on where to end selection.



Luke Davis 於 15/7/2020 0:23 寫道:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2020, William Wong wrote:

I came across a bug:
This is not a bug. You have conflated (confused) two different kinds of selection.

1. open any txt file with Notepad ++
2. select a start position by nvda f9
That is selecting with review mode. You should then use review commands (number pad in desktop keyboard mode), and then NVDA+F10 when you're finished (possibly twice).

This should only be used when the windows selection commands don't work.

> 3. press ctrl end to move to end of document

You are now moving cursors and such, which changes the screen. That will make review mode commands unpredictable. You can not use cursor movement commands while using review commands, and expect the review commands to keep working.

4. press nvda f10 to mark as end position
The review mode is only intended to work on a static screen. When you start changing the screen out from under it, you can't expect the review mode copy method to work any more. It's not a bug, that's how it's supposed to work. In fact it can't be any other way.

In an environment like NotepadPlusPlus, you can just use normal Windows selection and copy commands. Control+A to select all; Shift and arrow keys to select by character or line; shift and control+arrow keys to select words; Shift and home/end to select to start/end of line; and shift+control+home/end to select to the beginning/end of the document.

You should leave NVDA+F9/F10 out of it in applications like this.

Luke



Re: Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

Gene
 

You can move to the start point, then hold shift and move down by line while holding the shift key, not releasing it at all. You will hear each line you are selecting as you move. In your message, you said you first mark the start point, then move to the end of the message. So in your example, you want to select from the start point to the end of the message. Move to the start point, then use the command control shift end to move to the end of the file and select from the start point to the end.

When you select, you use the movement commands with the shift added. You can hold the shift and move and hear what you are moving through such as holding the shift, not releasing it, and repeatedly pressing down arrow. You can use more than one movement command. You can use shift down arrow, then use shift plus right arrow.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: William Wong
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possible bug with NVDA and Notepad++

Hi thanks for the reply.

I know the normal way of Window selection by shift key, but using shift
key I have to keep pressing the shift key till I find the correct end
point of selection.

I found nvda f9/10 useful is because I can first mark the start point
with nvda f9, then I can move on to read the rest of the content and
decide on where to end selection.



Luke Davis 於 15/7/2020 0:23 寫道:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2020, William Wong wrote:

I came across a bug:
This is not a bug. You have conflated (confused) two different kinds of selection.

1. open any txt file with Notepad ++
2. select a start position by nvda f9
That is selecting with review mode. You should then use review commands (number pad in desktop keyboard mode), and then NVDA+F10 when you're finished (possibly twice).

This should only be used when the windows selection commands don't work.

> 3. press ctrl end to move to end of document

You are now moving cursors and such, which changes the screen. That will make review mode commands unpredictable. You can not use cursor movement commands while using review commands, and expect the review commands to keep working.

4. press nvda f10 to mark as end position
The review mode is only intended to work on a static screen. When you start changing the screen out from under it, you can't expect the review mode copy method to work any more. It's not a bug, that's how it's supposed to work. In fact it can't be any other way.

In an environment like NotepadPlusPlus, you can just use normal Windows selection and copy commands. Control+A to select all; Shift and arrow keys to select by character or line; shift and control+arrow keys to select words; Shift and home/end to select to start/end of line; and shift+control+home/end to select to the beginning/end of the document.

You should leave NVDA+F9/F10 out of it in applications like this.

Luke