I use Windows 10 1803, jaws 18, nvda 2018.3.2 and latest adobe reader. When I use nvda then I can't open pdf file. But, when I use jaws then I can open pdf file. How to fix it?

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 04:36 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Embrace the ribbon,

It's been around for over a decade now.  It is the Microsoft standard.  The endless fight against the ribbon makes no sense; learning to work with the computing environment, as presented, does.
 
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I'll subscribe as soon as I have the subscription information.

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On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 04:12:18PM -0700, Jackie wrote:

I did. I'll receive notification as to whether it's approved within 24
hours. I'll let everyone know then, but I'll be away this weekend, so
realistically things won't really get rolling until Monday. If
approved, it's called WordPress for Newbies.

This is a huge can of worms. I personally feel that they are dire for blind users, but some people on here think that once you grasp the concept they are in fact easy.
Its a classic case of the way your brain visualises the concepts.
I did notice Jaws can be set to pretend they are normal menus, but my feeling here is that since you can use a simple add on to alter them  ie ribbon remover, then I see no reason why Microsoft do not offer the themselves, but in a recent interview with Jenny at Microsoft she merely said, Embrace the ribbon, which I took to mean  they are dogmatically against it.
Bah humbug I say.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2018 6:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and ribbon menues

Running latest NVDA and Win 10 1809.

The old addage of teaching a old dog new tricks fits this situation. Having great difficulty in using the ribbon while in file explorer. Are there any tutorials as how to use such ribbons?

Thanks

According to my trusty document of key tips,

add a comment: alt+r, then c.
next comment: alt+r, then n.
previous comment: alt+r, then v.

At 05:36 AM 11/2/2018, you wrote:

Thanks Rick,


Sounds very interesting. I'll pass it on to Federico.

I'll let ou know if he manages to do what he needs to do with comments.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/11/2018 11:19, Rick ha scritto:

Hello Sylvie and Ollie:

I am not sure why moving to the next and previous comments shortcut keys do
not work. I am running the latest desktop version of Word in Office 365. One
way to find out the actual shortcut key is by navigating the ribbon. Press
Alt+R. This will place you in the Review tab of the ribbon, where the
commenting feature resides. Now press Ctrl+right arrow until you hear
comments grouping. On my version of Word, I needed to press it 5 times. Once
there, use the Tab key until you hear previous button. NVDA should also tell
you the shortcut key. Pressing Tab one more time should get you to the Next
button where again, NVDA should let you know the shortcut. On my version of
Word, there are 4 buttons in the comments group of the Review tab. The first
is to insert a comment, the second is to delete a comment, the third is to
move to the previous comment and the fourth is to move to the next comment.

Navigating the ribbon is a great way to learn shortcut key combinations for
future reference.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 4:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding comments in Word

Hello Sylvie and Rick,


As a matter of fact it didn't work for him either. I don't know how he
settled the issue; maybe he decided to use footnotes instead of comments, as
he mentioned that to me over the phone.


Thanks to both of you.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/11/2018 09:35, Sylvie Duchateau ha scritto:

Hello Rick, Ollie and all,

The shortcut to go to next and previous comment does not work here.

May be it is different from one language to the other.

I hope it worked for your friend Ollie

Best

Sylvie





Le 31/10/2018 à 12:59, Mallard a écrit :

Thanks Rick.


I'll pass this on too.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 31/10/2018 11:09, Rick ha scritto:

Hello Sylvie and Ollie:

The method described by Sylvie will find more than comments if
present in a document. For example, if track changes was used to
record changes made to a document, the A key while in browse mode
will also move to those as well as comments. Furthermore, when using
the A key in browse mode, it will take you to the place in the
document where the selected text associated with the comment is, but
will not place you in the actual comment for editing, deleting or
replying.

Word has built-in keystrokes for navigating comments in a document
which will work with any screen reader. Alt+N will move to the next
comment while Alt+V will move you to a previous comment. When using
these commands, you are actually placed in the comment and can
perform the keystrokes described by Silvie to respond to or delete a
comment.

Rick

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Sylvie Duchateau
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2018 12:17 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Adding comments in Word

Hello again Ollie,
If you enable the browsing mode in word with Nvda+spacebar, you can
jump to one comment/annotation by pressing a.
When you are on the comment you want to see, right click with the
appropriate key or shift+f10 and use the down and up arrow keys. You
will find a menu entry to modify, answer, delete or mark the comment
as closed.
You can also display the list of comments in pressing nvda+F7, you
can choose to display the list of annotations and browse through the
different comments.
If you don't know the keystroke, when NVDA says "has a comment", you
can have it read in pressing nvda+alt+C.
Enjoy!
Sylvie




Le 30/10/2018 à 16:55, Mallard a écrit :

     Hello again Sylvie,


     My friend says to thank you very much for your help, and has
     another related question:

     How can he return to a comment after exiting it with Esc?

     Thanks again, also on his behalf.

     Ciao,
     Ollie



     Il 30/10/2018 16:45, Mallard ha scritto:

         Hello syleie,


         It definitely helps, thanks! My friend will be happy to know
         that it's as simple s that!!!


         Ciao,

         Ollie





         Il 30/10/2018 15:51, Sylvie Duchateau ha scritto:


             Hello Ollie,

             When you finish writing the comment, just press escape
to
             return to the text.

             Hope this helps.

             Sylvie





             Le 30/10/2018 à 12:10, Mallard a écrit :

                 Hello all,


                 A friend of mine is a teacher. His students do their
                 homework in Word, and he needs to corect them.


                 He'd like to insert comments to explain his
                 corrections, and has found the keyboard shortcut to
do
                 so, but doesn't know how to return to the main text.


                 Would  anyone know if there's a shortcut to exit the
                 comment and return to the place in the text where he
                 left off?


                 Thanks in advance; I don't have Word installed, so I
                 can't help him.


                 Ciao,

                 Ollie

Thanks Rick,


Sounds very interesting. I'll pass it on to Federico.

I'll let ou know if he manages to do what he needs to do with comments.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/11/2018 11:19, Rick ha scritto:

Hello Sylvie and Ollie:

I am not sure why moving to the next and previous comments shortcut keys do
not work. I am running the latest desktop version of Word in Office 365. One
way to find out the actual shortcut key is by navigating the ribbon. Press
Alt+R. This will place you in the Review tab of the ribbon, where the
commenting feature resides. Now press Ctrl+right arrow until you hear
comments grouping. On my version of Word, I needed to press it 5 times. Once
there, use the Tab key until you hear previous button. NVDA should also tell
you the shortcut key. Pressing Tab one more time should get you to the Next
button where again, NVDA should let you know the shortcut. On my version of
Word, there are 4 buttons in the comments group of the Review tab. The first
is to insert a comment, the second is to delete a comment, the third is to
move to the previous comment and the fourth is to move to the next comment.

Navigating the ribbon is a great way to learn shortcut key combinations for
future reference.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 4:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding comments in Word

Hello Sylvie and Rick,


As a matter of fact it didn't work for him either. I don't know how he
settled the issue; maybe he decided to use footnotes instead of comments, as
he mentioned that to me over the phone.


Thanks to both of you.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/11/2018 09:35, Sylvie Duchateau ha scritto:

Hello Rick, Ollie and all,

The shortcut to go to next and previous comment does not work here.

May be it is different from one language to the other.

I hope it worked for your friend Ollie

Best

Sylvie





Le 31/10/2018 à 12:59, Mallard a écrit :

Thanks Rick.


I'll pass this on too.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 31/10/2018 11:09, Rick ha scritto:

Hello Sylvie and Ollie:

The method described by Sylvie will find more than comments if
present in a document. For example, if track changes was used to
record changes made to a document, the A key while in browse mode
will also move to those as well as comments. Furthermore, when using
the A key in browse mode, it will take you to the place in the
document where the selected text associated with the comment is, but
will not place you in the actual comment for editing, deleting or
replying.

Word has built-in keystrokes for navigating comments in a document
which will work with any screen reader. Alt+N will move to the next
comment while Alt+V will move you to a previous comment. When using
these commands, you are actually placed in the comment and can
perform the keystrokes described by Silvie to respond to or delete a
comment.

Rick

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Sylvie Duchateau
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2018 12:17 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Adding comments in Word

Hello again Ollie,
If you enable the browsing mode in word with Nvda+spacebar, you can
jump to one comment/annotation by pressing a.
When you are on the comment you want to see, right click with the
appropriate key or shift+f10 and use the down and up arrow keys. You
will find a menu entry to modify, answer, delete or mark the comment
as closed.
You can also display the list of comments in pressing nvda+F7, you
can choose to display the list of annotations and browse through the
different comments.
If you don't know the keystroke, when NVDA says "has a comment", you
can have it read in pressing nvda+alt+C.
Enjoy!
Sylvie




Le 30/10/2018 à 16:55, Mallard a écrit :

Hello again Sylvie,


My friend says to thank you very much for your help, and has
another related question:

How can he return to a comment after exiting it with Esc?

Thanks again, also on his behalf.

Ciao,
Ollie



Il 30/10/2018 16:45, Mallard ha scritto:

Hello syleie,


It definitely helps, thanks! My friend will be happy to know
that it's as simple s that!!!


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 30/10/2018 15:51, Sylvie Duchateau ha scritto:


Hello Ollie,

When you finish writing the comment, just press escape
to
return to the text.

Hope this helps.

Sylvie





Le 30/10/2018 à 12:10, Mallard a écrit :

Hello all,


A friend of mine is a teacher. His students do their
homework in Word, and he needs to corect them.


He'd like to insert comments to explain his
corrections, and has found the keyboard shortcut to
do
so, but doesn't know how to return to the main text.


Would anyone know if there's a shortcut to exit the
comment and return to the place in the text where he
left off?


Thanks in advance; I don't have Word installed, so I
can't help him.


Ciao,

Ollie

I'll subscribe as soon as I have the subscription information.

John

On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 04:12:18PM -0700, Jackie wrote:

I did. I'll receive notification as to whether it's approved within 24
hours. I'll let everyone know then, but I'll be away this weekend, so
realistically things won't really get rolling until Monday. If
approved, it's called WordPress for Newbies.

On 11/1/18, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:

I don't find a WordPress list on Freelists.org I can create one. I've
already created severall lists. What could this
one be called? To start, how about blind-wordpress This name may be too
long.

Thanks,
John

On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 08:56:32AM -0500, John J. Boyer wrote:

There may already be a WordPress mailing list on www.freelists.org but I
haven't checked yet.

John

On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 07:51:49AM -0300, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Jackie escreveu:

You've given me something to think about though regarding the
possibility of starting a WordPress mailing list.

Jackie,
In case you start a mailing list on this, please, could you add me
there?
I'm much interested in learning more of working with Wordpress, I'm
sure
it'll be pretty good.

Thanks,
Marcio

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that are available at no cost

Hello Sylvie and Ollie:

I am not sure why moving to the next and previous comments shortcut keys do
not work. I am running the latest desktop version of Word in Office 365. One
way to find out the actual shortcut key is by navigating the ribbon. Press
Alt+R. This will place you in the Review tab of the ribbon, where the
commenting feature resides. Now press Ctrl+right arrow until you hear
comments grouping. On my version of Word, I needed to press it 5 times. Once
there, use the Tab key until you hear previous button. NVDA should also tell
you the shortcut key. Pressing Tab one more time should get you to the Next
button where again, NVDA should let you know the shortcut. On my version of
Word, there are 4 buttons in the comments group of the Review tab. The first
is to insert a comment, the second is to delete a comment, the third is to
move to the previous comment and the fourth is to move to the next comment.

Navigating the ribbon is a great way to learn shortcut key combinations for
future reference.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 4:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding comments in Word

Hello Sylvie and Rick,


As a matter of fact it didn't work for him either. I don't know how he
settled the issue; maybe he decided to use footnotes instead of comments, as
he mentioned that to me over the phone.


Thanks to both of you.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/11/2018 09:35, Sylvie Duchateau ha scritto:

Hello Rick, Ollie and all,

The shortcut to go to next and previous comment does not work here.

May be it is different from one language to the other.

I hope it worked for your friend Ollie

Best

Sylvie





Le 31/10/2018 à 12:59, Mallard a écrit :

Thanks Rick.


I'll pass this on too.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 31/10/2018 11:09, Rick ha scritto:

Hello Sylvie and Ollie:

The method described by Sylvie will find more than comments if
present in a document. For example, if track changes was used to
record changes made to a document, the A key while in browse mode
will also move to those as well as comments. Furthermore, when using
the A key in browse mode, it will take you to the place in the
document where the selected text associated with the comment is, but
will not place you in the actual comment for editing, deleting or
replying.

Word has built-in keystrokes for navigating comments in a document
which will work with any screen reader. Alt+N will move to the next
comment while Alt+V will move you to a previous comment. When using
these commands, you are actually placed in the comment and can
perform the keystrokes described by Silvie to respond to or delete a
comment.

Rick

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Sylvie Duchateau
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2018 12:17 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Adding comments in Word

Hello again Ollie,
If you enable the browsing mode in word with Nvda+spacebar, you can
jump to one comment/annotation by pressing a.
When you are on the comment you want to see, right click with the
appropriate key or shift+f10 and use the down and up arrow keys. You
will find a menu entry to modify, answer, delete or mark the comment
as closed.
You can also display the list of comments in pressing nvda+F7, you
can choose to display the list of annotations and browse through the
different comments.
If you don't know the keystroke, when NVDA says "has a comment", you
can have it read in pressing nvda+alt+C.
Enjoy!
Sylvie




Le 30/10/2018 à 16:55, Mallard a écrit :

    Hello again Sylvie,


    My friend says to thank you very much for your help, and has
    another related question:

    How can he return to a comment after exiting it with Esc?

    Thanks again, also on his behalf.

    Ciao,
    Ollie



    Il 30/10/2018 16:45, Mallard ha scritto:

        Hello syleie,


        It definitely helps, thanks! My friend will be happy to know
        that it's as simple s that!!!


        Ciao,

        Ollie





        Il 30/10/2018 15:51, Sylvie Duchateau ha scritto:


            Hello Ollie,

            When you finish writing the comment, just press escape
to
            return to the text.

            Hope this helps.

            Sylvie





            Le 30/10/2018 à 12:10, Mallard a écrit :

                Hello all,


                A friend of mine is a teacher. His students do their
                homework in Word, and he needs to corect them.


                He'd like to insert comments to explain his
                corrections, and has found the keyboard shortcut to
do
                so, but doesn't know how to return to the main text.


                Would  anyone know if there's a shortcut to exit the
                comment and return to the place in the text where he
                left off?


                Thanks in advance; I don't have Word installed, so I
                can't help him.


                Ciao,

                Ollie

Hello Rick, Ollie and all,

The shortcut to go to next and previous comment does not work here.

May be it is different from one language to the other.

I hope it worked for your friend Ollie

Best

Sylvie





Le 31/10/2018 à 12:59, Mallard a écrit :

Thanks Rick.


I'll pass this on too.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 31/10/2018 11:09, Rick ha scritto:

Hello Sylvie and Ollie:

The method described by Sylvie will find more than comments if
present in a document. For example, if track changes was used to
record changes made to a document, the A key while in browse mode
will also move to those as well as comments. Furthermore, when using
the A key in browse mode, it will take you to the place in the
document where the selected text associated with the comment is, but
will not place you in the actual comment for editing, deleting or
replying.

Word has built-in keystrokes for navigating comments in a document
which will work with any screen reader. Alt+N will move to the next
comment while Alt+V will move you to a previous comment. When using
these commands, you are actually placed in the comment and can
perform the keystrokes described by Silvie to respond to or delete a
comment.

Rick

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Sylvie Duchateau
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 30, 2018 12:17 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Adding comments in Word

Hello again Ollie,
If you enable the browsing mode in word with Nvda+spacebar, you can
jump to one comment/annotation by pressing a.
When you are on the comment you want to see, right click with the
appropriate key or shift+f10 and use the down and up arrow keys. You
will find a menu entry to modify, answer, delete or mark the comment
as closed.
You can also display the list of comments in pressing nvda+F7, you
can choose to display the list of annotations and browse through the
different comments.
If you don't know the keystroke, when NVDA says "has a comment", you
can have it read in pressing nvda+alt+C.
Enjoy!
Sylvie




Le 30/10/2018 à 16:55, Mallard a écrit :

    Hello again Sylvie,


    My friend says to thank you very much for your help, and has
    another related question:

    How can he return to a comment after exiting it with Esc?

    Thanks again, also on his behalf.

    Ciao,
    Ollie



    Il 30/10/2018 16:45, Mallard ha scritto:

        Hello syleie,


        It definitely helps, thanks! My friend will be happy to know
        that it's as simple s that!!!


        Ciao,

        Ollie





        Il 30/10/2018 15:51, Sylvie Duchateau ha scritto:


            Hello Ollie,

            When you finish writing the comment, just press escape
to
            return to the text.

            Hope this helps.

            Sylvie





            Le 30/10/2018 à 12:10, Mallard a écrit :

                Hello all,


                A friend of mine is a teacher. His students do their
                homework in Word, and he needs to corect them.


                He'd like to insert comments to explain his
                corrections, and has found the keyboard shortcut to
do
                so, but doesn't know how to return to the main text.


                Would  anyone know if there's a shortcut to exit the
                comment and return to the place in the text where he
                left off?


                Thanks in advance; I don't have Word installed, so I
                can't help him.


                Ciao,

                Ollie

Hi Ollie,

Yes, as long as you can remember the details you used to log in and purchase the material, you can download it again from: https://www.nvaccess.org/my-account/downloads/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 7:36 PM Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu <mailto:mallard@kimabe.eu>> wrote:

Hello Quentin,


By the way, I had bought that ebook when it was released, but for
some
reason I can't find it anywhere anymore.

Is it possible to download a new copy somehow, given that I've
already
paid for it? Or would you have any other suggestions to obtain a
new copy?

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 01/11/2018 06:59, Quentin Christensen ha scritto:
> Which version of Word are you using?
>
> All I can tell you is that it worked fine when I originally
wrote that
> section of the Microsoft Word with NVDA training material a
couple of
> years ago, and in fact I most recently went over that section of
the
> material just a week or so ago and it worked fine then too, both
with
> the most current Office 365 subscription at the time.
>
> A copy of your log here might be useful.
>
> Regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 6:28 AM enes sarıbaş
<enes.saribas@gmail.com <mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com>
> <mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com <mailto:enes.saribas@gmail.com>>>
wrote:
>
>     hi all,
>
>     So I want to add pages to word documents. However, when I go
to the
>     insert ribbon, and click header, NVDA becomes unresponsive, and
>     the page
>     number button appears unavailable. Does anyone know how this
can be
>     achieved?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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