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Re: a couple questions sparked by recent topics

Louise Pfau
 

Hi. There are a couple programs I use that only have access to SAPI voices, although the OneCore voices are more responsive. I've noticed that there are only 2 SAPI voices installed on Windows 10. Is it possible to get some of the OneCore voices in SAPI? I've got a couple of the OneCore voices that I really like. I know how to get additional OneCore voices. Is it possible to get more SAPI voices in the same way?

Thanks,

Louise


Re: faced 2 problems while using zoom with NVDA

Gene
 

If you use the copy available in NVDA where you set left and right markers, you should be able to copy things.  I used that method to copy a link someone sent and then paste it into a browser. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2021 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] faced 2 problems while using zoom with NVDA
 
That's the problem I have with accessing things on Zoom, I can't seem
to access anything until the chat is saved at the end of the meeting.
I can read messages, but I can't seem to copy them to the clipboard
until the meeting is ended, when a text file pops up with the entire
chat up to the point you copied.

On 5/7/21, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
> For your first question you won't be able to access the slides. They are
>   images. For your second question I am able to tab to links, if not
> access the text file that will be there at the end of your chat. Or save
> the chat and the text file will update.
>
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> On 7 May 2021, at 2:34, Sharad Koirala wrote:
>
>> hi group members,
>>
>> I am facing two problems while using zoom with NVDA:
>> 1. I am not able to access the screen someone has shared in a meeting,
>> for e.g. when I am attending a powerpoint presentation I cannot access
>> the slides the presenter has shared during the presentation
>> 2. I am not able to access a link shared in the chat box (I even tried
>> to copy it when I could not open the link with no success)
>>
>> what could be the solutions to these problems?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Sharad Koirala
>> Lecturer
>> Department of Community Medicine
>> Gandaki Medical College, Pokhara, Nepal
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: faced 2 problems while using zoom with NVDA

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

That's the problem I have with accessing things on Zoom, I can't seem
to access anything until the chat is saved at the end of the meeting.
I can read messages, but I can't seem to copy them to the clipboard
until the meeting is ended, when a text file pops up with the entire
chat up to the point you copied.

On 5/7/21, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
For your first question you won't be able to access the slides. They are
images. For your second question I am able to tab to links, if not
access the text file that will be there at the end of your chat. Or save
the chat and the text file will update.

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On 7 May 2021, at 2:34, Sharad Koirala wrote:

hi group members,

I am facing two problems while using zoom with NVDA:
1. I am not able to access the screen someone has shared in a meeting,
for e.g. when I am attending a powerpoint presentation I cannot access
the slides the presenter has shared during the presentation
2. I am not able to access a link shared in the chat box (I even tried
to copy it when I could not open the link with no success)

what could be the solutions to these problems?

thanks,

--
Dr. Sharad Koirala
Lecturer
Department of Community Medicine
Gandaki Medical College, Pokhara, Nepal







Re: Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

Luke Davis
 

Steve Nutt wrote:

As far as I know, Window-Eyes was the only screen reader ever to give that flexibility. It had separate caps and punctuation levels for screen and keyboard.
Irrelevant here, but Speakup for Linux does. I think some of the DOS screen readers did as well (Tinytalk I believe, and maybe Vocal-Eyes).

Luke


Re: default speech dictionary, as and American Samoa

Gene
 

I have no idea why this behavior occurs in the first place.  it isn’t logical.  As isn’t capitalized and there is no period after it so it isn’t an abbreviation.  It makes no sense for one as to be spoken one way and an identical as following soon after to be spoken a different way.  This sounds like a programming error or bug that, as Brian suggested, would be a good idea to report.
       
As for the speech dictionary, I don’t know how the voice you are using will react, but I just tested my suggestion.  My synthesizer says St. Ives as saint Ives.  If I create a dictionary entry with St. in the pattern field and the letters st in the pronounced as field, St. Ives is pronounced as st Ives.  As I understand the way the NVDA dictionary works, this sort of entry should work regardless of synthesizer.  As I understand it, the screen-reader sends the pronounced as text to the synthesizer so the synthesizer doesn’t even have the chance to know what the original text is that is triggering the unwanted speech. 
 
Gene   

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2021 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] default speech dictionary, as and American Samoa
 

well, i got the same american samoa replacement with one core zara, and
tested before posting., it did solve it.
after checking other voices, same thing with one core marc, , sapi5 zira
and david. British voices don't have the problem in the first place, so
I would assume only american voices are affected.

switching caps did not work here, nor could I think of a same sounding
replacement for as, so i haven't got any simpler solution coming to mind
-- Patrick





Re: default speech dictionary, as and American Samoa

Patrick Le Baudour
 

well, i got the same american samoa replacement with one core zara, and tested before posting., it did solve it.
after checking other voices, same thing with one core marc, , sapi5 zira and david. British voices don't have the problem in the first place, so I would assume only american voices are affected.

switching caps did not work here, nor could I think of a same sounding replacement for as, so i haven't got any simpler solution coming to mind
-- Patrick


Re: Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

Sarah k Alawami
 

Vocal eyes also did that. I'm dating myself as that was in 1994. Has an issue in hithub been submitted for this as that would be nice especially when going over a paper.

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On 7 May 2021, at 8:37, Steve Nutt wrote:

As far as I know, Window-Eyes was the only screen reader ever to give that flexibility. It had separate caps and punctuation levels for screen and keyboard.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 07 May 2021 15:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

It doesn’t say cap when using reade to end or reading line by line.  It doesn’t even say cap when moving by word.  In short, you get the same information as you do with pitch change.  I agree that this should be adjustable so it won’t say cap when typing if that is wished. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Friday, May 07, 2021 9:38 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Yes, but for me, it seems to say Cap when doing a speak all as well, or reading line by line on the screen, which is not what you want.

 

You need independent settings for the screen and the keyboard.  Window-Eyes used to do this very well.

 

All the best


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich DeSteno
Sent: 07 May 2021 11:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

I use it all the time and it works quickly and totally accurately.

Rich De Steno

On 5/7/2021 4:58 AM, Gene wrote:

You can do that but that is less efficient and a more cluttered way to do this.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 10:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Change the NVDA settings to say "cap" when an upper case letter is typed.  You will never be in doubt again.

 

Rich De Steno

On 5/6/2021 10:18 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:

Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?

 

Thanks,

 

Louise


Re: faced 2 problems while using zoom with NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

For your first question you won't be able to access the slides. They are images. For your second question I am able to tab to links, if not access the text file that will be there at the end of your chat. Or save the chat and the text file will update.

--

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to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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Finally, you can support my work on happs, the network of now.

On 7 May 2021, at 2:34, Sharad Koirala wrote:

hi group members,

I am facing two problems while using zoom with NVDA:
1. I am not able to access the screen someone has shared in a meeting,
for e.g. when I am attending a powerpoint presentation I cannot access
the slides the presenter has shared during the presentation
2. I am not able to access a link shared in the chat box (I even tried
to copy it when I could not open the link with no success)

what could be the solutions to these problems?

thanks,

--
Dr. Sharad Koirala
Lecturer
Department of Community Medicine
Gandaki Medical College, Pokhara, Nepal


Re: default speech dictionary, as and American Samoa

 

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 11:32 AM, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:
Regular expressions capture the largest possible match by default
-
Patrick, I understand how regexes work, but I don't see how yours would capture anything beyond the address followed by the first as, nor how that would likely solve the issue at hand.  But we also lack data about the voice being used, and that's the most likely root of the problem.  I guess it could by splitting that original "as" off from the "well as," but one would still have to know the voice being used to be sure.

I've had to do the same sort of thing as you're proposing for the odd synth that decides to screw up a word as an abbreviation in the very occasional context.

In this case, though, I'd definitely try just matching "as" and substituting "As" and seeing if that does it.  I've had luck with that simple technique on several occasions where two or three letter words which have a meaning as abbreviations get announced as the expansion for the abbreviation when that's not what they actually are in context.

I dread to think about the amount of context processing that has to occur by synths to decide exactly how to pronounce certain things depending on exactly where they are and what surrounds them!
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Re: Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

Steve Nutt
 

As far as I know, Window-Eyes was the only screen reader ever to give that flexibility. It had separate caps and punctuation levels for screen and keyboard.

 

All the best


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 07 May 2021 15:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

It doesn’t say cap when using reade to end or reading line by line.  It doesn’t even say cap when moving by word.  In short, you get the same information as you do with pitch change.  I agree that this should be adjustable so it won’t say cap when typing if that is wished. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Friday, May 07, 2021 9:38 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Yes, but for me, it seems to say Cap when doing a speak all as well, or reading line by line on the screen, which is not what you want.

 

You need independent settings for the screen and the keyboard.  Window-Eyes used to do this very well.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich DeSteno
Sent: 07 May 2021 11:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

I use it all the time and it works quickly and totally accurately.

Rich De Steno

On 5/7/2021 4:58 AM, Gene wrote:

You can do that but that is less efficient and a more cluttered way to do this.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 10:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Change the NVDA settings to say "cap" when an upper case letter is typed.  You will never be in doubt again.

 

Rich De Steno

On 5/6/2021 10:18 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:

Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?

 

Thanks,

 

Louise


Re: default speech dictionary, as and American Samoa

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Regular expressions capture the largest possible match by default, this is probably also the reason only the second as is affected by that problem

-- Patrick

Le 07/05/2021 à 17:20, Brian Vogel a écrit :
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 11:13 AM, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:
I tried to narrow down the thing, seems it need a number, and a word
like street, road, hill are needed to match.
-
But since it's the second "as" in the phrase "as well as" that's the problem, and the original text was, "at 763 Bunker Hill Road as well as" I'm not quite sure how that regex would help.  It seems to capture the part, "763 Bunker Hill Road as", which is not the problem "as" in this case.
--
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       ~ Richard M. Nixon


Re: default speech dictionary, as and American Samoa

 

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 11:13 AM, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:
I tried to narrow down the thing, seems it need a number, and a word like street, road, hill are needed to match.
-
But since it's the second "as" in the phrase "as well as" that's the problem, and the original text was, "at 763 Bunker Hill Road as well as" I'm not quite sure how that regex would help.  It seems to capture the part, "763 Bunker Hill Road as", which is not the problem "as" in this case.
--

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Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them.  And then you destroy yourself.

       ~ Richard M. Nixon

 


Re: default speech dictionary, as and American Samoa

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hi,

I tried to narrow down the thing, seems it need a number, and a word like street, road, hill are needed to match.
based on the first one, I tried the pattern
(\d+)([^0-9,]+\sas\s)
replacing by
\1, \2
in regular expression mode, it seems to work.

-- Patrick

Le 07/05/2021 à 12:56, P.Stephen Hoad a écrit :
Good Day!
While I read a news story today, I came across this sentence:
"Firefighters located a 3- to 4-acre woods fire threatening several
structures at 763 Bunker Hill Road as well as a self-storage facility
at 784 Bunker Hill Road."
within the news story the first as reads correctly but the 2nd as
reads "American Samoa". I have attempted, in vain, to deal with this
problem within the default speech dictionary with no resulting fix. I
created 2 entries, they are:
#1. pattern: AS. Replacement: American Samoa. case: (i have tried both
on and off). type: anywhere.
and #2: pattern: as. Replacement: as. Case: off. type: anywhere.
Except for the capitalization of as, all punctuation here was simply
to make reading this Email read more sensibly.
I know I've done something that doesn't work, is there a solution I'm missing?
Thank You:
Steve Hoad


Re: Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"

Jonathan Milam
 

Thanks very much for the tip!

Jonathan

On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 9:46 AM Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...> wrote:

I tend to issue ctrl+home to go to the top of the page.  Then I issue X to find the first email on the screen if there is one.  I next issue a comma to drop out of the list.  I then issue shift+X to find the previous email.  This has worked well for me if I want to find the last email on the screen.


You could just go to the bottom of the page and then issue shift+x but this will find a check box below the table of emails first if there is any.


Dan Beaver

On 5/7/2021 8:43 AM, Jonathan Milam wrote:


Is there a way in Gmail to skip quickly from the top of a list of messages  to the bottom with NVDA?

Thanks
Jonathan

On May 6, 2021, at 7:26 PM, Thomas N. Chan <thomas.nathan.chan@...> wrote:


It used to be basic html view is the best for screen reader but google has improve tremendously  I dare to say, at least 5 years or so.
the standard view is slow and clunky  and sometimes it just didn't load properly. but thats long time ago when I first started to use more than 10 years ago.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 5:56 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

No issues. I've loaded over 200 messages in my junk folder and have jumped with k to each successive one.

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On 6 May 2021, at 6:40, Nimer Jaber wrote:

Hello,

No, I am not noticing this. Which browser are you using? And, which version of NVDA? There have been improvements made to the responsiveness of Gmail, particularly in the new beta, though they can be toggled on experimentally in the developer settings of NVDA, and I don't remember seeing this issue before anyway.

You can change the number of conversations on a page. I do have mine set to 100.

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Thanks, Nimer.  This is perfect.  In the standard view, is anyone else seeing that NVDA seems to pause after every 10 messages?  It’s almost like it is waiting for 10 more messages to load.  Is this something that is changeable?

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 7:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"

 

Once you open the message, press n. Then, if you want to read the message in more detail, press insert+space to go into browse mode, then navigate as you would a web page.

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:28 PM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

What is the easiest way to navigate quickly to the body of a message in the GMAIL interface with NVDA?

 



On May 5, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

Navigate to settings, see all settings, and under the general tax, close to the bottom, there are radio buttons for turning on and off keyboard shortcuts. I do wish this was easier, nonetheless that is the process. It may be good to utilize screen reader find to find these controls.

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:01 PM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Nimer,

 

This sounds like a great thing to learn. How do you turn on the shortcut keys in gmail? I tried looking for it but couldn't find it.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 5/5/2021 1:50 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

Hello,

 

If Brian gets upset, we'll tell him to get over himself, but this topic is very dear to me, so we can make an exception, I am sure, for discussing non-NVDA topics on this list, although I will do my best to make it relate to NVDA.

 

Trainers are behind the curve on teaching people how to use web apps. Web app developers are creating these wonderful new accessible web apps, and blind people are still stuck with the old, non-web apps. This is a shame, a complete shame.

 

First, I recommend using Gmail on the web instead of Outlook as it does not require an office subscription. It does not require configuring and setting up of email clients. It can be used on any machine with a web browser. It is not necessarily screen reader specific, so for the most part, what works with JAWS will work with NVDA, will work with Narrator, will work with Orca, will work with Voiceover. About the only thing you must know is how to switch between browse and focus mode, or your particular screen reader's name for that command.

 

Why do I say that using Gmail with the standard interface is better than even the basic HTML mode? Because it is much more efficient to traverse through the email list, as long as keyboard shortcuts are turned on and learned. Press up/down arrow to move up and down the list. Press x to select messages. Press e or y to archive messages. Press # to delete them. Press enter to open a thread. Press n to read the next message in the thread, press p to read the prior message in the thread. Press r to reply, a to reply all, f to forward, b to snooze a message and act on it later. Press / to search the messages, and easily type the label name where that message can be found, such as in:sent or in:trash. Easily move messages and sort them into labels and bundles. Easily create events and tasks from emails. Easily chat with, and create meetings with people you wish to interact with, and do so right from Gmail if you wish. Press c to compose, press ctrl+shift+c to 'cc' and press ctrl+shift+b to BCC. Press ctrl+enter to send, ctrl+shift+d to discard. Press lots of commands to format text, create bulleted and numbered lists, adjust blockquote indentations, move to misspelled words, etc. Press tab to look through spelling and grammar suggestions, etc., etc. You can easily find a list of these keyboard shortcuts by pressing ? when logged into Gmail. If you don't like the shortcuts, you can create your own in the Gmail settings. And, much of what you learn can be applied to other sites, too. For instance, on Facebook and on Twitter, keyboard shortcuts exist to accomplish many tasks and to navigate to where you want to go, on YouTube Music and spottify, shortcuts exist to control music playback, and so on. Basic HTML mode doesn't have or allow for these shortcuts.

 

I wish trainers would touch more on web apps, but many still believe that the best way for people to access Gmail is through basic HTML, the best way to check email is with Outlook, and the best thing since sliced bread is a BrailleNote. Technology trainers can be some of the most difficult people to work with because many, not all, are so entrenched in what they know how to teach, how they learned to teach it, and what they themselves are using, that they refuse to open their minds to the possibility that there is a different way of teaching, a new standard out, new types of devices that may benefit people more than what they have been accustomed to. It's the same attitude that won't even show blind people an Android device, instead choosing that iOS is superior and should work best for everyone, never mind the needs and desires of the person they are working with.

 

So, if I can accomplish anything by sending this off-topic thread, and this babble, it is to get people to at least try to step out of the box, try something you may not be comfortable with, and accept that there may be tools and methods out there which will enhance your productivity and make your life easier that don't require struggling with Outlook and Thunderbird. By the way, I don't know if it is because checking email is so popular or what, but I tend to see more email-related qupestions across the varying tech lists with people struggling with Outlook and Thunderbird than pretty much anything else, and very few are using webmail, have given it a fair shot, and still fewer are using webmail through the standard interfaces. Google Docs is accessible, Gmail standard is accessible, Office 365 online web version is accessible, they may require a bit of a learning curve, but they are accessible and usable, and those tools tend to see the most work put into them these days in terms of accessibility and usability across many companies, simply because those tools can be used on Chromebooks, Macs, Linux, Windows, etc., without requiring separate desktop apps. All that is required is a browser and an Internet connection (not even a very fast one.)

 

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 1:28 PM Louise Pfau <lpfau@...> wrote:

Hi.  I find it easier to navigate the gmail interface with “Basic HTML view” vs. “Standard view”.  This is probably due to the fact that when I was first taught how to set up and work with my gmail account, I was instructed to use “Basic HTML view” in order to get the most accessible interface. I know this is not strictly related to NVDA though.

 

Louise

 

 

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Re: Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

Gene
 

It doesn’t say cap when using reade to end or reading line by line.  It doesn’t even say cap when moving by word.  In short, you get the same information as you do with pitch change.  I agree that this should be adjustable so it won’t say cap when typing if that is wished. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, May 07, 2021 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"
 

Yes, but for me, it seems to say Cap when doing a speak all as well, or reading line by line on the screen, which is not what you want.

 

You need independent settings for the screen and the keyboard.  Window-Eyes used to do this very well.

 

All the best


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich DeSteno
Sent: 07 May 2021 11:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

I use it all the time and it works quickly and totally accurately.

Rich De Steno

On 5/7/2021 4:58 AM, Gene wrote:

You can do that but that is less efficient and a more cluttered way to do this.

 

Gene

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From: Rich DeSteno

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 10:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Change the NVDA settings to say "cap" when an upper case letter is typed.  You will never be in doubt again.

 

Rich De Steno

On 5/6/2021 10:18 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:

Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?

 

Thanks,

 

Louise


Re: Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

Steve Nutt
 

Yep, this is why we really need an independent screen and keyboard setting for caps.

 

All the best

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Giles Turnbull
Sent: 07 May 2021 15:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

I've always found the pitch change to be barely audible even when the level is ramped up! The problem with the "Say Cap" and "Beep for Caps" is that it doesn't do it when you are using Read All, only when you are navigating letter-by-letter. It also doesn't work if you are typing something and your settings are to read words rather than letters.

I discussed this on here back in September 2019 when, for my Masters dissertation, I badly needed to be able to spot if I had accidentally turned Caps Lock on and had been typing in uppercase letters where I didn't want to be! Ricardo Leonarczyk helpfully gave me a link to an NVDA dictionary file which contained a regular expression that would, as Ricardo described it, "when NVDA finds individual upper case letters, it will first say "cap" and after will speak the letter, without breaking the word (inserting a space). When it finds a sequence of uppercase characters it'll say "All cap" and the sequence of letters as a whole word."

That worked perfectly for what I needed at the time. I opened the dictionary file in Notepad and then copied and pasted the search field and replacement field text into an entry in my default.dic file, and then removed it once I was finished doing such detailed editing.

If you want to find that thread, it dates from September 2019 and has the subject of Identifying Capital Letters.

I don't know if this will be any help or interest, but I thought I'd mention it :)

Giles


Re: Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

Steve Nutt
 

Yes, but for me, it seems to say Cap when doing a speak all as well, or reading line by line on the screen, which is not what you want.

 

You need independent settings for the screen and the keyboard.  Window-Eyes used to do this very well.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich DeSteno
Sent: 07 May 2021 11:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

I use it all the time and it works quickly and totally accurately.

Rich De Steno

On 5/7/2021 4:58 AM, Gene wrote:

You can do that but that is less efficient and a more cluttered way to do this.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 10:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Change the NVDA settings to say "cap" when an upper case letter is typed.  You will never be in doubt again.

 

Rich De Steno

On 5/6/2021 10:18 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:

Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?

 

Thanks,

 

Louise


Re: faced 2 problems while using zoom with NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

I don't think any screen reader will let you access presentations from a shared screen. This would, I thought, have been impossible, since the only thing shared is an image.

All the best

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Subject: [nvda] faced 2 problems while using zoom with NVDA

hi group members,

I am facing two problems while using zoom with NVDA:
1. I am not able to access the screen someone has shared in a meeting, for e.g. when I am attending a powerpoint presentation I cannot access the slides the presenter has shared during the presentation 2. I am not able to access a link shared in the chat box (I even tried to copy it when I could not open the link with no success)

what could be the solutions to these problems?

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Re: sound file converter

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías
 

Hi all.
Also, other good option for formats of audio, video, and in somme cases documents and images is the program File Converter.
When you install it, is possible selected the files in the explorer, press aplications key or shift+f10, File converter, and to wav, for example. After, NVDA reed the progress bar of the Window and the file is in the folder.
https://file-converter.org
Regards.

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Re: Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

Steve Nutt
 

What about increasing the pitch ratio to say -+50?

 

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Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 07 May 2021 09:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

You can do that but that is less efficient and a more cluttered way to do this.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 10:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Change the NVDA settings to say "cap" when an upper case letter is typed.  You will never be in doubt again.

 

Rich De Steno

On 5/6/2021 10:18 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:

Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?

 

Thanks,

 

Louise

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