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Re: Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

 

My guess, based on both things now said, is that this is likely more on the Thunderbird side of things than NVDA, per se.

A screen reader only reads text (or alt-text, for graphics) that is exposed to it to read.  It almost sounds like it's now reading the character used for many things as far as expanded or collapsed or dropdown indication goes.   That downward pointing small triangle sounds like the conversation expanded indicator in the Tbird inbox for a given conversation you've landed on.  I'd expect that something very similar, but probably saying right pointing, is said if it's collapsed.

It could be an NVDA thing, but since this sort of symbol has been present "since dirt" in Thunderbird, and the announcement of expanded or collapsed had been, too, I suspect something's creeped in on the Tbird side.

Are either of you still getting expanded/collapsed announcements for conversations or in the folder tree?  Or is that weird triangle announcement being said everywhere, or perhaps only in, say, a mailbox list of messages but not the folder tree?
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Re: Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

seb naudet
 

Hello,

yes i've noticed that too.

i've added ▾ in the nvda dictionnary  to silent it.


    cheers

Le 20/02/2021 à 14:34, J cheersarek.Krcmar a écrit :
Hello everyone,

After updating Nvda on the version 24 I have found this problem:

If I start Thunderbird and find messages, then Nvda says: Fillet down pointing small try angle.

I would like to know, how avoid it.


Re: Big problems with Microsoft word 365

 

Have you tried:  The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

Just doing the three things there, in order, can get you a lot of information about what the potential root cause might be, if not outright solve the issue.

If you have Fast Startup enabled on your system, then make certain to use the Restart option under Power Options to restart your machine, as that's the only way to get Windows 10 to reload from scratch from disk, which is what you want.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Big problems with Microsoft word 365

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you get in and out of browse mode to do this? I’ve not seen this issue before. Word is slow to start, but  that’s about it for me.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristina Ebetiuc
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Big problems with Microsoft word 365

 

Good day eveybody!

Does someone from you have the following Problem as well?

Can’t assighn heading. When Pressing alt+1 or going into the style to Chose the headings NVDA and Word Freeze. I have to Restart NVDA and then I also have to Restart word. The same happens also when I move through tables with tab or shift plus tab. When I want to turn the UIa-automation for Word  both programs freze again and after restarting the box for the UIa-automation is still checked. I can’t send loggs unfortunately because it frezes and I have to Restart it gain. Restarting does not work from the first time I have to wait aproximately  30 seconds. NVDA also freezes when I move between the lines in word, too. But this happens for a very short time.

I am Looking foreward to receiving your feetback!

greetings

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 


Re: windows 10 Pro - Check for updates - NVDA goes silent in dialog with mouse over

Sarah k Alawami
 

Are you tabbing and shift tabbing through the dialogue. Knock on what ever is around you, I have not had this issue ever.  Are you also using object nav and or screen review? We can’t really “mouse over’ things.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell James
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 Pro - Check for updates - NVDA goes silent in dialog with mouse over

 

I wanted to follow up on my previous message

 

I have noticed that when NVDA goes silent

If I press the tab key till I hear spoken feedback

Then the mouse over content speaking starts working

 

I confirmed this is still happening after the NVDA update that was just released.

 

Russ

 

On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 3:38 PM Russell James <4rjames@...> wrote:

Greetings,

 

Using Windows 10 Pro on a desktop

Version 10.0.19042 Build 19042

 

With NVDA

version 2020.3

 

Sometimes when I check for updates, after the dialog is presented,  NVDA will announce the last check for updates and then go silent

If I mouse over content in the dialog it remains silent

If I mouse over content outside the dialog it will be spoken.

 

If I restart NVDA it starts speaking content in the dialog with mouse over

 

Using a physical mouse connected via USB

 

 

While checking the NVDA version I noticed in the menu an entry that indicated install pending update

However, when I activate that entry the menu goes away and nothing seems to happen

 

When I go to help and check for updates it indicates there are none available

 

Thank you

 

Russ

 

 

 

 


Re: Purchasing vocalizer voices

David Goldfield
 

Hi. Code Factory’s SAPI addons are designed to be used openly with any screen reader or, for that matter, any other software package which supports SAPI5. The last time I checked the Vocalizer and Eloquence Sapi5 voices were two separate packages whereas the addon for NVDA combines Eloquence and Vocalizer.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 5:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing vocalizer voices

 

I just purchased the eloquence/vocalizzer add-on for NVDA yesterday.

I’ve seen that there a few versions of the add-on, including the sapi voices, but I am only familiar with the code factory add-on.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 6:14 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Purchasing vocalizer voices

 

Hi listers:

 

I see there are at least 2 different companies selling the Vocalizer voices for NVDA, and I wonder if there is any difference between the options out there.  For example, there are voices from Tiflotecnia, or CodeFactory.  They do the same thing, but, the actual binaries are totally different.  Also, the CodeFactory option seems to also include eloquence.

 

Are there advantages in getting CodeFactory voices, vs. those from Tiflotecnia?

 

Thanks!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

       


Re: problem with the group site, can't seem to see reply to sender on all messages

 

On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 12:41 AM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
1. Could Brian or the group owner look into this? I thought the reply
to sender link was supposed to be at the bottom of every email, but it
appears it isn't.
-
Believe me, I have spent months looking into this, and with no resolution.

It does appear to have something to do with whether a given Groups.io user, who's using the email interface, is using HTML formatted email (which is pretty much the default these days) versus plain text, but even that does not map perfectly.

The issue has been reported to Groups.io support and that's the best I can do about it.  I encourage members to keep HTML formatting turned on in their email clients for multiple reasons, not just this one.  I do not yet have an example of someone who uses HTML format having a missing Reply to Sender link at the bottom of their messages.

And I stand by my recommendation of last night to first use an SFC/DISM run to see if that fixes your issue, followed by a Windows 10 Repair Install.  I cannot find a single other person who's experiencing what you're experiencing in browse dialogs for ungrouped folders.  I'm not doubting that you're experiencing it, but I do believe that something's wrong in Windows itself that needs to be fixed.
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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: windows 10 Pro - Check for updates - NVDA goes silent in dialog with mouse over

Russell James
 

I wanted to follow up on my previous message

I have noticed that when NVDA goes silent
If I press the tab key till I hear spoken feedback
Then the mouse over content speaking starts working

I confirmed this is still happening after the NVDA update that was just released.

Russ


On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 3:38 PM Russell James <4rjames@...> wrote:
Greetings,

Using Windows 10 Pro on a desktop
Version 10.0.19042 Build 19042

With NVDA
version 2020.3

Sometimes when I check for updates, after the dialog is presented,  NVDA will announce the last check for updates and then go silent
If I mouse over content in the dialog it remains silent
If I mouse over content outside the dialog it will be spoken.

If I restart NVDA it starts speaking content in the dialog with mouse over

Using a physical mouse connected via USB


While checking the NVDA version I noticed in the menu an entry that indicated install pending update
However, when I activate that entry the menu goes away and nothing seems to happen

When I go to help and check for updates it indicates there are none available

Thank you

Russ

 



Oddity With NVDA And Thunderbird with Inbox status Line

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hello everyone,

After updating Nvda on the version 24 I have found this problem:

If I start Thunderbird and find messages, then Nvda says: Fillet down pointing small try angle.

I would like to know, how avoid it.


--
Jarek


Big problems with Microsoft word 365

Cristina Ebetiuc
 

Good day eveybody!

Does someone from you have the following Problem as well?

Can’t assighn heading. When Pressing alt+1 or going into the style to Chose the headings NVDA and Word Freeze. I have to Restart NVDA and then I also have to Restart word. The same happens also when I move through tables with tab or shift plus tab. When I want to turn the UIa-automation for Word  both programs freze again and after restarting the box for the UIa-automation is still checked. I can’t send loggs unfortunately because it frezes and I have to Restart it gain. Restarting does not work from the first time I have to wait aproximately  30 seconds. NVDA also freezes when I move between the lines in word, too. But this happens for a very short time.

I am Looking foreward to receiving your feetback!

greetings

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 


Re: Purchasing vocalizer voices

molly the blind tech lover
 

I just purchased the eloquence/vocalizzer add-on for NVDA yesterday.

I’ve seen that there a few versions of the add-on, including the sapi voices, but I am only familiar with the code factory add-on.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 6:14 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Purchasing vocalizer voices

 

Hi listers:

 

I see there are at least 2 different companies selling the Vocalizer voices for NVDA, and I wonder if there is any difference between the options out there.  For example, there are voices from Tiflotecnia, or CodeFactory.  They do the same thing, but, the actual binaries are totally different.  Also, the CodeFactory option seems to also include eloquence.

 

Are there advantages in getting CodeFactory voices, vs. those from Tiflotecnia?

 

Thanks!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

       


Re: Purchasing vocalizer voices

zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz
 

Hi,

As i’ve said, the only advantage is that codefactory updates the voices and driver regularly.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 12:14 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Purchasing vocalizer voices

 

Hi listers:

 

I see there are at least 2 different companies selling the Vocalizer voices for NVDA, and I wonder if there is any difference between the options out there.  For example, there are voices from Tiflotecnia, or CodeFactory.  They do the same thing, but, the actual binaries are totally different.  Also, the CodeFactory option seems to also include eloquence.

 

Are there advantages in getting CodeFactory voices, vs. those from Tiflotecnia?

 

Thanks!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

       


Re: Purchasing vocalizer voices

zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz
 

Hi,

The compact voices are not included with codefactory addon, because of the license reasons.

The tiflotecnia package uses much older vocalizer libraries and voices, this there are no new languages, and old errors in voices are there.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing vocalizer voices

 

I can only comment on the Vocalizer voices from Code Factory as those are the ones I went with. I did this due to the fact that, as you said, you also receive Eloquence along with the package so you get a lot more bang for your buck, so to speak. I don’t think that the actual compact versions are included with Code Factory’s package but this does not bother me.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 6:14 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Purchasing vocalizer voices

 

Hi listers:

 

I see there are at least 2 different companies selling the Vocalizer voices for NVDA, and I wonder if there is any difference between the options out there.  For example, there are voices from Tiflotecnia, or CodeFactory.  They do the same thing, but, the actual binaries are totally different.  Also, the CodeFactory option seems to also include eloquence.

 

Are there advantages in getting CodeFactory voices, vs. those from Tiflotecnia?

 

Thanks!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

       


Announcement: several of my add-ons will require NVDA 2020.4 starting in March 2021

 

Hi all,

Hope you are staying safe and healthy (and for those affected by winter storms, please stay warm).

Normally I make add-on compatibility announcements not this often, but it appears it’s time to make another NVDA version compatibility announcement:

NVDA 2020.4 introduced several internal changes that will cause one or more of my add-ons to not work properly under some circumstances, most notably important parts of StationPlaylist add-on. I took steps to mitigate this, and am keeping a very close eye on future NVDA releases, especially 2021.1 as it will be a backwards incompatible release (more on that once 2021.1 beta 1 is released). Coupled with other features in 2020.4 that will benefit my add-ons, I hereby declare that:

Starting from March 2021 add-on releases, NVDA 2020.4 will be required. It won’t be applied to all add-ons right away – this change will be gradual.

The following add-ons are affected:

  • Add-on Updater: in keeping with add-on support policy (requiring latest stable version of NVDA), Add-on Updater 21.03 will require NVDA 2020.4.
  • Resource Monitor: the way NVDA announces resource summary copy message is changing to align with NVDA 2020.4. This change will be introduced in version 21.04 (April).
  • StationPlaylist: due to critical issues discovered while fetching column data for tracks and encoders support as a result of changes in NVDA 2020.4, version 21.04 (April) will require NVDA 2020.4 to reduce maintenance burden.

 

Although not part of this, Windows 10 App Essentials will eventually require NVDA 2020.4, but that won’t happen until NVDA 2021.1 is released. What will happen though is that development versions of this add-on will require NVDA 2020.4 in March.

 

As for NVDA 2021.1 and my add-ons, suffice to say that I’m working on compatibility and you won’t have to switch to 2021.1 for a while (based on lessons from 2019-2020, although the compatibility scale isn’t quite massive, I figured at least one community add-on won’t be ready in time for 2021.1 release, so I won’t be as aggressive in asking you all to use the next version of NVDA in order to use my add-ons). Details will be announced when 2021.1 beta 1 is released.

Cheers,

Joseph


Ten Forums

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Hi all,
Does anyone use tenforums.com with NVDA? If so, is there any
possibility of fixing how NVDA handles the editor on that site? When I
type a reply, I can't simply tab to the submit button, I have to
toggle browse and focus mode a couple of times, then navigate to the
top button of the editor in order to show the post button, which isn't
intuitive at all.
Bob


problem with the group site, can't seem to see reply to sender on all messages

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Well, this is kind of annoying. As Brian has asked that we take the
discussion of browse dialogs off this list, I was going to reply to
Patrick privately asking for steps on how he turns grouping off in
browse dialogs, as I see no way to do it, but I couldn't find the
reply to sender link on his message. Looking over some of the other
messages, I didn't see it on all messages either. It was only on
certain messages. I have two requests:
1. Could Brian or the group owner look into this? I thought the reply
to sender link was supposed to be at the bottom of every email, but it
appears it isn't.
2. Could Patrick or anyone else who has successfully turned off
grouping in browse dialogs write me privately with the steps on how to
do this? I've been able to turn it off in main file explorer, though
it somehow got turned on again today and I had to Google how to turn
it off again, but it still won't turn off in the browse dialogs. Also
FYI, this isn't a new problem for me, I've actually been putting up
with it for about 15 months, just now getting around to fixing it.
Thanks,
Bob


Re: Purchasing vocalizer voices

Pauline Smith
 

I also bought the Code Factory voices.  I had never heard of the other company until after I purchased the Code Factory ones.  Now I'm trying to figure out how to update them.

Good luck in you voices purchase.

Pauline
 

On 2/19/2021 10:33 PM, David Goldfield wrote:

I can only comment on the Vocalizer voices from Code Factory as those are the ones I went with. I did this due to the fact that, as you said, you also receive Eloquence along with the package so you get a lot more bang for your buck, so to speak. I don’t think that the actual compact versions are included with Code Factory’s package but this does not bother me.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 6:14 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Purchasing vocalizer voices

 

Hi listers:

 

I see there are at least 2 different companies selling the Vocalizer voices for NVDA, and I wonder if there is any difference between the options out there.  For example, there are voices from Tiflotecnia, or CodeFactory.  They do the same thing, but, the actual binaries are totally different.  Also, the CodeFactory option seems to also include eloquence.

 

Are there advantages in getting CodeFactory voices, vs. those from Tiflotecnia?

 

Thanks!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

       



Re: Purchasing vocalizer voices

David Goldfield
 

I can only comment on the Vocalizer voices from Code Factory as those are the ones I went with. I did this due to the fact that, as you said, you also receive Eloquence along with the package so you get a lot more bang for your buck, so to speak. I don’t think that the actual compact versions are included with Code Factory’s package but this does not bother me.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 6:14 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Purchasing vocalizer voices

 

Hi listers:

 

I see there are at least 2 different companies selling the Vocalizer voices for NVDA, and I wonder if there is any difference between the options out there.  For example, there are voices from Tiflotecnia, or CodeFactory.  They do the same thing, but, the actual binaries are totally different.  Also, the CodeFactory option seems to also include eloquence.

 

Are there advantages in getting CodeFactory voices, vs. those from Tiflotecnia?

 

Thanks!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

       


Re: Browse Dialogs with NVDA

 

And, by the way, this topic ceased to be about NVDA many, many posts ago.  And my last one had nothing to do with NVDA.  Virtually everything discussed is about Windows and only Windows.

Thus, I am asking that further conversation, if wanted about this topic be moved either to the Chat Subgroup, or the Windows 10 for Screen Reader User's Group:
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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 


Re: Browse Dialogs with NVDA

 

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 09:46 PM, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:
I've had the problem several times, I just never use grouping in explorer, but after several windows updates the download folder got brouped by date both in explorer and browse dialogs, so i had to reset it to none every time.
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No one, least of all me, has claimed that Microsoft did not introduce the grouping by date in Downloads as part of a cumulative update (if memory serves).  It absolutely did, and many have posted the easy, and specific instructions for undoing that in this very venue.

It does not explain, in any way, why this would show up in a browse dialog when the folder being browsed is not set with grouping on.

I'm not attempting to claim that it's not happening, either, but it is absolutely an abberation if it is.  The longer this topic has gone on, the more I believe that the following should be tried, in order.  If SFC/DISM fixes it, then stop.

Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10

Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file
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Any idiot can face a crisis. It's the day-to-day living that wears you out.

      ~ Anton Chekhov

 

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