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Re: Browse Dialogs with NVDA

 

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 09:46 PM, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:
I've had the problem several times, I just never use grouping in explorer, but after several windows updates the download folder got brouped by date both in explorer and browse dialogs, so i had to reset it to none every time.
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No one, least of all me, has claimed that Microsoft did not introduce the grouping by date in Downloads as part of a cumulative update (if memory serves).  It absolutely did, and many have posted the easy, and specific instructions for undoing that in this very venue.

It does not explain, in any way, why this would show up in a browse dialog when the folder being browsed is not set with grouping on.

I'm not attempting to claim that it's not happening, either, but it is absolutely an abberation if it is.  The longer this topic has gone on, the more I believe that the following should be tried, in order.  If SFC/DISM fixes it, then stop.

Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10

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Re: Browse Dialogs with NVDA

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hi,

I've had the problem several times, I just never use grouping in explorer, but after several windows updates the download folder got brouped by date both in explorer and browse dialogs, so i had to reset it to none every time.
Seems the update from 1909 to 20h2 didn't do it, though, or i'm so used to it i corrected and forgot already.
-- Patrick

Le 19/02/2021 à 20:28, Brian Vogel a écrit :
             That being said, unless you intentionally changed something at some point, no browse dialog should open a folder with a view other than what it's set to under Windows 10.  Double check that you do indeed have Group by turned off, and that the primary sort on the Downloads folder is by Name.


Re: Browse Dialogs with NVDA

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Where in context menu is this? The logical place would be in
properties, but I see nothing in there related to grouping.

On 2/19/21, Kostadin Kolev <k.kolev1985@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

Actually, Brian, I think you are wrong. The views set in the "Browse"
dialogs seam to be independent from the ones set in Windows Explorer
windows, strange as it may be as a behavior.

I went in both my personal "Downloads" folder (the one in my user's personal
folder) and the one in "This PC" and disabled the grouping by date and set
the sorting to be by name instead of by day (it was set so by me a long time
ago for the folder in "This PC", but it was not for the one in my personal
folder). Now it is set to no grouping and sorting by name for both places,
but when I invoked a "Browse" dialog from a program (I tried in Audacity,
Balabolka and Notepad++) and navigated to the "Downloads" folder, the view
in both "Downloads" folders was set to grouping and sorting by date.

To disable the grouping and sorting by date in both "Downloads" folders for
the "Browse" dialogs, the user has to invoke such a dialog from a program,
navigate to the two folders, invoke the context menu for the folder (with
nothing selected) and do it from there as it is done for the standard
Windows Explorer windows. The setting is saved and applied for each "Browse"
dialog, no matter from which program is invoked.

Hope this helps.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev

На 19.2.2021 г. в 21:28, Brian Vogel написа:

Bob,

By the way, those are called "browse dialogs." You use 'em in
any program when you're trying to either open a file, or save it (or save
it as, the last two depend on whether it's ever been saved and whether
you're changing the name).

That being said, unless you intentionally changed something
at some point, no browse dialog should open a folder with a view other
than what it's set to under Windows 10. Double check that you do indeed
have Group by turned off, and that the primary sort on the Downloads
folder is by Name.

I have just gone through every button on the Browse Dialog
used for opening a file, including those you access once you land on the
Organize button and right arrowing from there, and I can find absolutely
nothing that allows you to turn on grouping (or remove it) in the Browse
Dialog.
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Re: Questions Regarding The Donation Form on Nvaccess.org

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

That’s fine, Brian, thanks for looking after it!

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 9:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making donation

 

Cearbhall,

            Just letting you know that I'm going to merge your question in with the other topic (Questions Regarding the Donation Form on NVAccess.org) about the donation page that's already running from today.  These come up again and again, most often when new releases come out, and I try to keep "a [single] donations page topic" per release cycle where I can.

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Purchasing vocalizer voices

Joseph Norton
 

Hi listers:

 

I see there are at least 2 different companies selling the Vocalizer voices for NVDA, and I wonder if there is any difference between the options out there.  For example, there are voices from Tiflotecnia, or CodeFactory.  They do the same thing, but, the actual binaries are totally different.  Also, the CodeFactory option seems to also include eloquence.

 

Are there advantages in getting CodeFactory voices, vs. those from Tiflotecnia?

 

Thanks!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

       


Re: Browse Dialogs with NVDA

 

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 04:39 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Actually I don't think it is called a browse dialogue.
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And, as you've now been told twice, they are.  The reason you're browsing is irrelevant as far as the overarching term, browse dialog goes.  There's nothing wrong with saying Open Dialog, Save Dialog, or Save As dialog (among a number of potential others), as that tells you exactly what's being done.  But all of those are, as a class, browse dialogs, because you're either browsing for a file to open/upload if it already exists, or a folder for a save if the file is new (where you give it a name, too), or a save as if you wish to save something that already exists with a different name in either the same folder or other folder.

I actually most often use the more specific term when I know exactly what's being done, but when talking about the class, it's browse dialog.
 
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Re: Questions Regarding The Donation Form on Nvaccess.org

Roger Stewart
 

I just donated for the latest 2004 version. All went well, and I got a message back from PayPal saying I had made the donation. Only thing is I didn't receive any message from NV Access itself. I used to get at least one short thank you message. I don't know if these are automated and triggered by the receipt of the donation or just how they work. Just wondering.  Bottom line is they did receive my donation and the new NVDA is working fine so far.
Roger













On 2/19/2021 3:15 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Cearbhall,

            Just letting you know that I'm going to merge your question in with the other topic (Questions Regarding the Donation Form on NVAccess.org) about the donation page that's already running from today.  These come up again and again, most often when new releases come out, and I try to keep "a [single] donations page topic" per release cycle where I can.

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Re: Browse Dialogs with NVDA

Jackie
 

Sarah, I'm saying they're called "browse dialogs" because they all
have the browse button embedded. Said nothing about mini explorers.

On 2/19/21, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. I was taught to call these dialogues by their name. Open
with, Save as, and the browse one would be the one with the browse
button attached to it. Easier than "mini explorer" that name to me just
is nonsensical. It's easier to call the dialogues by what they are,
associating the actions with said dialogues fo reasier memorization.

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On 19 Feb 2021, at 13:47, Jackie wrote:

The open with dialog is just 1 of a few of these browse dialogs,
Sarah, the most notable other being the save as dialog. It's named
such because one can browse for folders to open from or save to.

On 2/19/21, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually I don't think it is called a browse dialogue. I was told it
is
called the "open with" dialogue. And my iMap didn't download any
messages as of yet, only got these just now.

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On 19 Feb 2021, at 13:07, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 04:01 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:


I don't think there is a name for such.
-
There is:  a browse dialog.   And I mentioned this multiple posts
ago.  Please read through ALL messages in a topic and in this group
before replying to any one.

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Re: Browse Dialogs with NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Interesting. I was taught to call these dialogues by their name. Open with, Save as, and the browse one would be the one with the browse button attached to it. Easier than "mini explorer" that name to me just is nonsensical. It's easier to call the dialogues by what they are, associating the actions with said dialogues fo reasier memorization.

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On 19 Feb 2021, at 13:47, Jackie wrote:

The open with dialog is just 1 of a few of these browse dialogs,
Sarah, the most notable other being the save as dialog. It's named
such because one can browse for folders to open from or save to.

On 2/19/21, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Actually I don't think it is called a browse dialogue. I was told it is
called the "open with" dialogue. And my iMap didn't download any
messages as of yet, only got these just now.

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On 19 Feb 2021, at 13:07, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 04:01 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I don't think there is a name for such.

-
There is:  a browse dialog.   And I mentioned this multiple posts
ago.  Please read through ALL messages in a topic and in this group
before replying to any one.

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Re: Browse Dialogs with NVDA

Jackie
 

The open with dialog is just 1 of a few of these browse dialogs,
Sarah, the most notable other being the save as dialog. It's named
such because one can browse for folders to open from or save to.

On 2/19/21, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually I don't think it is called a browse dialogue. I was told it is
called the "open with" dialogue. And my iMap didn't download any
messages as of yet, only got these just now.

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On 19 Feb 2021, at 13:07, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 04:01 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:


I don't think there is a name for such.
-
There is:  a browse dialog.   And I mentioned this multiple posts
ago.  Please read through ALL messages in a topic and in this group
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Re: Browse Dialogs with NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually I don't think it is called a browse dialogue. I was told it is called the "open with" dialogue. And my iMap didn't download any messages as of yet, only got these just now.

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On 19 Feb 2021, at 13:07, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 04:01 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I don't think there is a name for such.
-
There is:  a browse dialog.   And I mentioned this multiple posts ago.  Please read through ALL messages in a topic and in this group before replying to any one.
 
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Re: Questions Regarding The Donation Form on Nvaccess.org

 

Cearbhall,

            Just letting you know that I'm going to merge your question in with the other topic (Questions Regarding the Donation Form on NVAccess.org) about the donation page that's already running from today.  These come up again and again, most often when new releases come out, and I try to keep "a [single] donations page topic" per release cycle where I can.

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Re: Questions Regarding The Donation Form on Nvaccess.org

 

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 08:10 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
When I was on the donation page after selecting the Download option I was using a screen reader which was not NVDA.
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David, you faithless so-and-so!!  Your punishment awaits, and who knows when it will come?!

[Wait, I think it already did.]
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Re: Browse Dialogs with NVDA

 

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 04:01 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I don't think there is a name for such.
-
There is:  a browse dialog.   And I mentioned this multiple posts ago.  Please read through ALL messages in a topic and in this group before replying to any one.
 
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Re: Browse Dialogs with NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

That is not a mini explorer, that is a part of file explorer, in fact I don't think there is a name for such.

Tc

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Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 11:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mini explorers with NVDA

When you say press control+O to open a file within say Audacity or Word.

On 2/19/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Serious question: What are you referring to with "mini explorers"?

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Questions Regarding The Donation Form on Nvaccess.org

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Quentin,

 

I am trying to make a donation. The form requires our country of origin and Ireland is not in the list. Should I take it that Irish colleagues are not expected to make a donation?

 

I cannot proceed by identifying myself as being from some other country!

 

Have you any advice to offer?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: new member to the group.

Gene
 

What makesit look hard to use. A good deal of what a lot of users do involves Windows and program commands. You can do quite a bit if you use a different screen-reader even if you know nothing about the screen-reader except for a few commands like read title bar.

As far ass an introduction to NVDA as a JAWS user is concerned, see this page:
https://gttprogram.blog/2018/12/20/switching-from-jaws-to-nvda-nvaccess-nvda-community-wiki-%C2%B7-github/

Gene

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Subject: [nvda] new member to the group.



Hi all, I currently use jaws 18, and think it’s about time I learn how to use NVDA.

It looks hard to use, but hope it isn’t. so any ideas you can pass along will be greatly appreciated. Jim


Re: Browse Dialogs with NVDA

 

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 03:39 PM, Governor staten wrote:
Part of the issue here is that each folder can have its own settings, or they can be applied to all folders, no matter what.
-
But the only way to apply to all folders is if you do this through Control Panel, File Explorer Options, View Tab.   If you (any you) have actually done that then every blessed folder that is of the same type (e.g., contains documents and subfolders, contains music, contains pictures) should be the same.

The only way that any of these things "get out of sync" with each other is if someone's been diddling with the default views in multiple places.  If they have, this comes back to advice I gave the other day, you need to enter that in to your personal "settings changes history" document so you'll know later exactly what you did, and when.
 
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Re: new member to the group.

 

Jim,

          If you are already a JAWS user I believe you'll find NVDA very easy to use, as there are many, many commands that overlap.  There are some that don't, and getting those clear in your mind can take a bit.

          My introduction to NVDA was through using it as a surrogate for JAWS when I was tutoring JAWS.  The Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired was not about to buy me a license, and often my testing and digging required more than 40 minutes, so I started using NVDA when I wanted to do certain things "at my leisure." 

           While the transition is not absolutely seamless, it's really not all that difficult, either.
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new member to the group.

Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...>
 

Hi all, I currently use jaws 18, and think it’s about time I learn how to use NVDA.

It looks hard to use, but hope it isn’t. so any ideas you can pass along will be greatly appreciated. Jim

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