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Re: Voice Activation with NVDA

Pranav Lal
 

Ann,
<snip Do you have to have dragon to use dictation bridge???
PL] No because dictationBridge can work with WSR. However, you do get the
best speech-recognition experience with Dragon.

Pranav


Re: Voice Activation with NVDA

Pranav Lal
 

Hi,
<snip Thank you. Do you need to have either Dragon or Windows Speech Recognition (I.e., on Windows 10) to use the Dictation Bridge?
PL] Yes.

Pranav


Re: PASTEL

Jaffar Sidek
 

Right! And I am telling him that I don't know if software made with Pascal is accessible, but that programs made with another branch of pascal can be made to be so.  Is there anything wrong with that? sir?

On 24/10/2018 10:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
We are not talking about programming languages; we're talking about a financial
accounting application.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastel_Accounting

Antony.

On Wednesday 24 October 2018 at 15:36:17, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

I don't know if Pascal is, but Delphi, which is a dialect of Open Pascal
can be made to be accessible

On 24/10/2018 12:45 PM, Heaven Botma wrote:
Dear List

Does anyone know if Pastel works with NVDA, as it is a popular fincial
accounting application in South African businesses?

Thank you.

Kind regards

Heaven Botma


Re: nvda and google docs sheets and slides

David Moore
 

Hi Michael!

You are so welcome.

When in Google Docs, You can press Alt+SHIFT+F to get to the Files menu, and use arrow keys to get to the accessibility menu.

If Google Docs has been set to use a screen reader by pressing Alt+CTRL+Z, then the accessible menu will be added. If you press enter on the accessibility menu, you will have categories’ of key commands for Google Docs.

Another powerful key command to bring up all of the Google Commands in Docs, is to press CTRL+Slash.

A table of all of the Google commands will come up.!

I should do a tutorial for Google Docs!

David Moore

 

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From: Michael Buchan
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 7:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and google docs sheets and slides

 

Hi

David: thanks very much for the tips, our school exclusively uses google docs in chrome on windows 7 and it drives me absolutely bonkers because of it's slowness and different cursor navigation. I'll have to give nvda+shift+space a go, as well as that formatting command.

Thanks once again.

MCB


On 24 Oct 2018, at 6:46 am, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Hi Sally!

I use Google Docs a lot with NVDA in Google Chrome.

The command you spoke of helps a lot in Google apps.

When you press NVDA+SHIFT+Spacebar, the editing functions work so much better.

Also, the commands for spell checking work great!

To get the correct formatting, though, I find that I have to press the Google command to hear formatting. That is:

Holding the alt and control, and pressing A, then F.

That gives better results than pressing NVDA+F to get formatting details.

Great to talk to you Sally. I am working on tutorials on using Google apps with NVDA and Chrome.

David Moore

 

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From: Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 9:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and google docs sheets and slides

 

I've historically had pretty good luck using docs and sheets with chrome and chromevox but admittedly do not rely on them. I haven't memorized many of the hotkeys since chromevox next came out because the documentation I found didn't seem to keep up with the new keymap and although I have Chrome and Chromevox on windows and Mac too, I usually default to MS office, pages, or numbers when on those machines.  

 

Sunday, I found that some websites are working best with Chrome and NVDA instead of Firefox and NVDA or Chrome and ChromeVox. I will be playing with the hrome and NVDA combination now. 

 

Is it possible that the NVDA+shift+space hotkey to deactivate single letter navigation will help improve docs and sheets functionality? 

 

Cheers,

Sally 

 

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 1:57 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Well, since they are not going to support chromevox for a while (they are putting that in chrome os only now) I woudl hope they fix the issues most of us are having on the native mac invironment.

On 21 Oct 2018, at 6:16, Ryan Mann wrote:

If you are using it on the Mac, I find that the Chromevox screen reader works the best.

 


On Oct 18, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

My problem is I've read the documentation and none of the keyboard short cuts work for mac os and google chrome. I reported this about 2-4 years ago but still have had no luck. It is still as inaccessible as ever, and forget about google forms. Those are inaccessible to create. I should know, I tried, about 3 months ago.

On 18 Oct 2018, at 0:32, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:

Hello all,

I use Google Docs and Sheets both with Firefox and Chrome and NVDA without any difficulties.

I had some language issues in Chrome, that I reported to the Google Diasability accessibility team, and it was corrected with Chrome's last version.

Best

Sylvie

Le 17/10/2018 à 22:55, Sarah k Alawami a écrit :

I also could not, not on chrome, firefox, safari, or edge. And this over 2 years of trying. I talked to the google srep that was at one of our conventions in 2014 and all I got were a horable pair of free headphones and a "we'll look into it."

On 17 Oct 2018, at 12:23, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:



I'd imagine it has to be Chrome, but to be honest. I could not get on with Google docs myself. Too laggy and awkward, but then, that might just be me!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 2:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] nvda and google docs sheets and slides


Hi,

What wweb browser works best with google docs sheets and slides? Freedom scientific said to use firefox, but that document came out 3 or so years ago, so it may be a little outdated. NVDA and chrome seem to work good with google office, now. Or is the latest firefox still best?

Josh


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Re: discord accessibility

Michael Buchan
 

Hi
  Although I do certainly agree that discord is working on bringing accessibility to their platform (take the IOS app as an example, where a bit less than a year ago you couldn't even read messages and now you can) I must admit, the fact that these features and fixes are getting implemented soooooo slowly warrants the creation of an addon. The fact that Discord is an electron app adds to this, as I imagine, though I could be totally wrong, that most of the information needed is already their, but it isn't exposed through the aria specification in any way, meaning an addon for NVDA to derive this information from what is given out is definitely possible.

  As somebody who loves python, loves open source projects, loves Discord and above all, loves NVDA, I've been meaning to look into addon development myself for a while now and I may use Discord as a jumping off point once I've figured out the ins and outs of developing an addon.

Kind regards,
MCB

On 22 Oct 2018, at 2:24 pm, Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:

Why develop an add on when built in accessibility is better? The developers are slowly, and I do mean slowly, working on accessibility fixes for screen readers. Contact them and let them know. An add-on can't be created from a totally inaccessible program, one NVDA can't even read. The tweet is below.

https://twitter.com/discordapp/status/867855637736116225?lang=en


Re: nvda and google docs sheets and slides

Michael Buchan
 

Hi
David: thanks very much for the tips, our school exclusively uses google docs in chrome on windows 7 and it drives me absolutely bonkers because of it's slowness and different cursor navigation. I'll have to give nvda+shift+space a go, as well as that formatting command.
Thanks once again.
MCB

On 24 Oct 2018, at 6:46 am, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Hi Sally!

I use Google Docs a lot with NVDA in Google Chrome.

The command you spoke of helps a lot in Google apps.

When you press NVDA+SHIFT+Spacebar, the editing functions work so much better.

Also, the commands for spell checking work great!

To get the correct formatting, though, I find that I have to press the Google command to hear formatting. That is:

Holding the alt and control, and pressing A, then F.

That gives better results than pressing NVDA+F to get formatting details.

Great to talk to you Sally. I am working on tutorials on using Google apps with NVDA and Chrome.

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 9:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and google docs sheets and slides

 

I've historically had pretty good luck using docs and sheets with chrome and chromevox but admittedly do not rely on them. I haven't memorized many of the hotkeys since chromevox next came out because the documentation I found didn't seem to keep up with the new keymap and although I have Chrome and Chromevox on windows and Mac too, I usually default to MS office, pages, or numbers when on those machines.  

 

Sunday, I found that some websites are working best with Chrome and NVDA instead of Firefox and NVDA or Chrome and ChromeVox. I will be playing with the hrome and NVDA combination now. 

 

Is it possible that the NVDA+shift+space hotkey to deactivate single letter navigation will help improve docs and sheets functionality? 

 

Cheers,

Sally 

 

On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 1:57 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Well, since they are not going to support chromevox for a while (they are putting that in chrome os only now) I woudl hope they fix the issues most of us are having on the native mac invironment.

On 21 Oct 2018, at 6:16, Ryan Mann wrote:

If you are using it on the Mac, I find that the Chromevox screen reader works the best.

 


On Oct 18, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

My problem is I've read the documentation and none of the keyboard short cuts work for mac os and google chrome. I reported this about 2-4 years ago but still have had no luck. It is still as inaccessible as ever, and forget about google forms. Those are inaccessible to create. I should know, I tried, about 3 months ago.

On 18 Oct 2018, at 0:32, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:

Hello all,

I use Google Docs and Sheets both with Firefox and Chrome and NVDA without any difficulties.

I had some language issues in Chrome, that I reported to the Google Diasability accessibility team, and it was corrected with Chrome's last version.

Best

Sylvie

Le 17/10/2018 à 22:55, Sarah k Alawami a écrit :

I also could not, not on chrome, firefox, safari, or edge. And this over 2 years of trying. I talked to the google srep that was at one of our conventions in 2014 and all I got were a horable pair of free headphones and a "we'll look into it."

On 17 Oct 2018, at 12:23, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:


I'd imagine it has to be Chrome, but to be honest. I could not get on with Google docs myself. Too laggy and awkward, but then, that might just be me!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 2:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] nvda and google docs sheets and slides


Hi,

What wweb browser works best with google docs sheets and slides? Freedom scientific said to use firefox, but that document came out 3 or so years ago, so it may be a little outdated. NVDA and chrome seem to work good with google office, now. Or is the latest firefox still best?

Josh


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Re: Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I also use TBird, but it lags when checking email and puts my 32 gig ram system to a crawl. But I'e. read about similar issues with TBird. Lol! Still a good program.

On 24 Oct 2018, at 13:43, Earle Zwicker wrote:

I use Thunderbird.  I find that it is much better than the Windows mail app.  It all comes down to personal preference.


Earle

On 2018-10-24 4:10 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I agree. I tried the mail app and didn't really care for it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 5:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

All that trouble when you can use Windows Live Mail or Thunderbird?  Why do people use the Microsoft Mail app when there are such superior alternatives?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:44 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

That is a really cock eyed way to do such things. I really do not understand
why Microsoft did not actually develop something like Outlook Express
instead of attempting to create a wheel with square corners. Its another
thing like Skype and ribbon menus where they know best, or rather think they
do!
Change for its own sake seems a complete waste of a programmers time.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest
NVDA?


Hi!
I use the Mail app all the time, and I definitely have the messages show in
conversation view. You can delete a whole group of messages at one press of
the delete key.
You have to press the left arrow a couple of times before you read the next
message.
The mail app opens the conversation by itself, so you have to press the left
arrow a couple of times really quickly and press delete very quickly if you
want to delete that entire conversation of messages.
I use NVDA with character typing, so I am not sure about word echo.
Sometimes, to read a message, you have to enter on the message, then shift
tab, and tab back to the message, press left arrow a couple of times to
close the conversation, and press enter two or three times quickly to open
the message.
The Mail app s not going to give you the same result all of the time.
You have to get creative and find work arounds as you go to get the most out
of it.
You can press the applications key or shift+F10 on a folder, and get many
choices like:
Create a sub folder, add the folder to your favorites, and more.
You cannot make rules in the mail app itself.
You have to create the rules on the web site, and they will import into the
mail app.
Good luck, and ask anymore questions!
David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

Last night, I debued a new Laptop with Windows10, and am using its Mail app.
HOwever I?d like to see what settings you’drecommend to get the best working
experience? Firstly let’s say I?reading Emails a thread, and when the thread
ends, it seems to put me out of the Email bodies, with the button that in
Spanish, atlesat, it says something about Navigation expended, orNavigation
contracted.I’d like for the Mail program, like it has donewith allthe Mail
programs I’ve used over the yearsI’ve been using Windows, to until I’mdone
Reading all the Emails, it’ll take out of the theirbodies. My method is to
first delete all the ones that don’t seeminteresting, and only readthe
apparently interesting ones. Can this be done? And lastly the most
frustratingexperience I’m having with the Windows10Mail app is that NVDA
doesn’tread the words upon spacing! Yes I’veactivated and deactivated the
option of NVDA+3, with nodifference! So what tips/tricks do you guys
recommend to get the most out of Windows10’s Mail app?

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10









Re: Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I meant 2013.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

I'm using outlook 20113.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Earle Zwicker
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

I use Thunderbird.  I find that it is much better than the Windows mail app.  It all comes down to personal preference.

 

Earle

On 2018-10-24 4:10 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I agree. I tried the mail app and didn't really care for it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 5:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

All that trouble when you can use Windows Live Mail or Thunderbird?  Why do people use the Microsoft Mail app when there are such superior alternatives?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:44 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

That is a really cock eyed way to do such things. I really do not understand
why Microsoft did not actually develop something like Outlook Express
instead of attempting to create a wheel with square corners. Its another
thing like Skype and ribbon menus where they know best, or rather think they
do!
Change for its own sake seems a complete waste of a programmers time.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest
NVDA?


Hi!
I use the Mail app all the time, and I definitely have the messages show in
conversation view. You can delete a whole group of messages at one press of
the delete key.
You have to press the left arrow a couple of times before you read the next
message.
The mail app opens the conversation by itself, so you have to press the left
arrow a couple of times really quickly and press delete very quickly if you
want to delete that entire conversation of messages.
I use NVDA with character typing, so I am not sure about word echo.
Sometimes, to read a message, you have to enter on the message, then shift
tab, and tab back to the message, press left arrow a couple of times to
close the conversation, and press enter two or three times quickly to open
the message.
The Mail app s not going to give you the same result all of the time.
You have to get creative and find work arounds as you go to get the most out
of it.
You can press the applications key or shift+F10 on a folder, and get many
choices like:
Create a sub folder, add the folder to your favorites, and more.
You cannot make rules in the mail app itself.
You have to create the rules on the web site, and they will import into the
mail app.
Good luck, and ask anymore questions!
David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

Last night, I debued a new Laptop with Windows10, and am using its Mail app.
HOwever I?d like to see what settings you’drecommend to get the best working
experience? Firstly let’s say I?reading Emails a thread, and when the thread
ends, it seems to put me out of the Email bodies, with the button that in
Spanish, atlesat, it says something about Navigation expended, orNavigation
contracted.I’d like for the Mail program, like it has donewith allthe Mail
programs I’ve used over the yearsI’ve been using Windows, to until I’mdone
Reading all the Emails, it’ll take out of the theirbodies. My method is to
first delete all the ones that don’t seeminteresting, and only readthe
apparently interesting ones. Can this be done? And lastly the most
frustratingexperience I’m having with the Windows10Mail app is that NVDA
doesn’tread the words upon spacing! Yes I’veactivated and deactivated the
option of NVDA+3, with nodifference! So what tips/tricks do you guys
recommend to get the most out of Windows10’s Mail app?

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10









Re: Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'm using outlook 20113.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Earle Zwicker
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

I use Thunderbird.  I find that it is much better than the Windows mail app.  It all comes down to personal preference.

 

Earle

On 2018-10-24 4:10 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I agree. I tried the mail app and didn't really care for it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 5:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

All that trouble when you can use Windows Live Mail or Thunderbird?  Why do people use the Microsoft Mail app when there are such superior alternatives?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:44 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

That is a really cock eyed way to do such things. I really do not understand
why Microsoft did not actually develop something like Outlook Express
instead of attempting to create a wheel with square corners. Its another
thing like Skype and ribbon menus where they know best, or rather think they
do!
Change for its own sake seems a complete waste of a programmers time.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest
NVDA?


Hi!
I use the Mail app all the time, and I definitely have the messages show in
conversation view. You can delete a whole group of messages at one press of
the delete key.
You have to press the left arrow a couple of times before you read the next
message.
The mail app opens the conversation by itself, so you have to press the left
arrow a couple of times really quickly and press delete very quickly if you
want to delete that entire conversation of messages.
I use NVDA with character typing, so I am not sure about word echo.
Sometimes, to read a message, you have to enter on the message, then shift
tab, and tab back to the message, press left arrow a couple of times to
close the conversation, and press enter two or three times quickly to open
the message.
The Mail app s not going to give you the same result all of the time.
You have to get creative and find work arounds as you go to get the most out
of it.
You can press the applications key or shift+F10 on a folder, and get many
choices like:
Create a sub folder, add the folder to your favorites, and more.
You cannot make rules in the mail app itself.
You have to create the rules on the web site, and they will import into the
mail app.
Good luck, and ask anymore questions!
David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

Last night, I debued a new Laptop with Windows10, and am using its Mail app.
HOwever I?d like to see what settings you’drecommend to get the best working
experience? Firstly let’s say I?reading Emails a thread, and when the thread
ends, it seems to put me out of the Email bodies, with the button that in
Spanish, atlesat, it says something about Navigation expended, orNavigation
contracted.I’d like for the Mail program, like it has donewith allthe Mail
programs I’ve used over the yearsI’ve been using Windows, to until I’mdone
Reading all the Emails, it’ll take out of the theirbodies. My method is to
first delete all the ones that don’t seeminteresting, and only readthe
apparently interesting ones. Can this be done? And lastly the most
frustratingexperience I’m having with the Windows10Mail app is that NVDA
doesn’tread the words upon spacing! Yes I’veactivated and deactivated the
option of NVDA+3, with nodifference! So what tips/tricks do you guys
recommend to get the most out of Windows10’s Mail app?

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10










Re: Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latestNVDA?

David Griffith
 

It is all personal preference I guess but on my system Thunderbird is sluggish and pretty slow. Windows Mail is snappy and fast.

I find the keyboard shortcuts very intuitive, pretty much identical to Outlook and it is easily the fastest and easiest Mail client I use.

As mentioned there are a couple of focus workarounds you have to deploy if the Inbox updates with new mail coming in but personally pressing shift tab  occasionally is not a hardship.

Bells and whistles it does not have but I can use the sluggish and cumbersome old Outlook which I have on my system if this is really required.

I much prefer using Mail though.

The vast majority of time I simply want to write or read emails quickly and it does fine for this, as it is doing at the moment.

The main annoyance with NVDA and Mail is that you have to press alt a couple of time before typing in a replied or new mail. This is not required with Jaws so it would be useful if this could be sorted out.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Gene
Sent: 24 October 2018 13:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latestNVDA?

 

All that trouble when you can use Windows Live Mail or Thunderbird?  Why do people use the Microsoft Mail app when there are such superior alternatives?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:44 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

That is a really cock eyed way to do such things. I really do not understand
why Microsoft did not actually develop something like Outlook Express
instead of attempting to create a wheel with square corners. Its another
thing like Skype and ribbon menus where they know best, or rather think they
do!
Change for its own sake seems a complete waste of a programmers time.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest
NVDA?


Hi!
I use the Mail app all the time, and I definitely have the messages show in
conversation view. You can delete a whole group of messages at one press of
the delete key.
You have to press the left arrow a couple of times before you read the next
message.
The mail app opens the conversation by itself, so you have to press the left
arrow a couple of times really quickly and press delete very quickly if you
want to delete that entire conversation of messages.
I use NVDA with character typing, so I am not sure about word echo.
Sometimes, to read a message, you have to enter on the message, then shift
tab, and tab back to the message, press left arrow a couple of times to
close the conversation, and press enter two or three times quickly to open
the message.
The Mail app s not going to give you the same result all of the time.
You have to get creative and find work arounds as you go to get the most out
of it.
You can press the applications key or shift+F10 on a folder, and get many
choices like:
Create a sub folder, add the folder to your favorites, and more.
You cannot make rules in the mail app itself.
You have to create the rules on the web site, and they will import into the
mail app.
Good luck, and ask anymore questions!
David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

Last night, I debued a new Laptop with Windows10, and am using its Mail app.
HOwever I?d like to see what settings you’drecommend to get the best working
experience? Firstly let’s say I?reading Emails a thread, and when the thread
ends, it seems to put me out of the Email bodies, with the button that in
Spanish, atlesat, it says something about Navigation expended, orNavigation
contracted.I’d like for the Mail program, like it has donewith allthe Mail
programs I’ve used over the yearsI’ve been using Windows, to until I’mdone
Reading all the Emails, it’ll take out of the theirbodies. My method is to
first delete all the ones that don’t seeminteresting, and only readthe
apparently interesting ones. Can this be done? And lastly the most
frustratingexperience I’m having with the Windows10Mail app is that NVDA
doesn’tread the words upon spacing! Yes I’veactivated and deactivated the
option of NVDA+3, with nodifference! So what tips/tricks do you guys
recommend to get the most out of Windows10’s Mail app?

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10








 


Re: Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

Earle Zwicker
 

I use Thunderbird.  I find that it is much better than the Windows mail app.  It all comes down to personal preference.


Earle

On 2018-10-24 4:10 p.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I agree. I tried the mail app and didn't really care for it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 5:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

All that trouble when you can use Windows Live Mail or Thunderbird?  Why do people use the Microsoft Mail app when there are such superior alternatives?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:44 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

That is a really cock eyed way to do such things. I really do not understand
why Microsoft did not actually develop something like Outlook Express
instead of attempting to create a wheel with square corners. Its another
thing like Skype and ribbon menus where they know best, or rather think they
do!
Change for its own sake seems a complete waste of a programmers time.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest
NVDA?


Hi!
I use the Mail app all the time, and I definitely have the messages show in
conversation view. You can delete a whole group of messages at one press of
the delete key.
You have to press the left arrow a couple of times before you read the next
message.
The mail app opens the conversation by itself, so you have to press the left
arrow a couple of times really quickly and press delete very quickly if you
want to delete that entire conversation of messages.
I use NVDA with character typing, so I am not sure about word echo.
Sometimes, to read a message, you have to enter on the message, then shift
tab, and tab back to the message, press left arrow a couple of times to
close the conversation, and press enter two or three times quickly to open
the message.
The Mail app s not going to give you the same result all of the time.
You have to get creative and find work arounds as you go to get the most out
of it.
You can press the applications key or shift+F10 on a folder, and get many
choices like:
Create a sub folder, add the folder to your favorites, and more.
You cannot make rules in the mail app itself.
You have to create the rules on the web site, and they will import into the
mail app.
Good luck, and ask anymore questions!
David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

Last night, I debued a new Laptop with Windows10, and am using its Mail app.
HOwever I?d like to see what settings you’drecommend to get the best working
experience? Firstly let’s say I?reading Emails a thread, and when the thread
ends, it seems to put me out of the Email bodies, with the button that in
Spanish, atlesat, it says something about Navigation expended, orNavigation
contracted.I’d like for the Mail program, like it has donewith allthe Mail
programs I’ve used over the yearsI’ve been using Windows, to until I’mdone
Reading all the Emails, it’ll take out of the theirbodies. My method is to
first delete all the ones that don’t seeminteresting, and only readthe
apparently interesting ones. Can this be done? And lastly the most
frustratingexperience I’m having with the Windows10Mail app is that NVDA
doesn’tread the words upon spacing! Yes I’veactivated and deactivated the
option of NVDA+3, with nodifference! So what tips/tricks do you guys
recommend to get the most out of Windows10’s Mail app?

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10









Re: Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I agree. I tried the mail app and didn't really care for it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 5:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

All that trouble when you can use Windows Live Mail or Thunderbird?  Why do people use the Microsoft Mail app when there are such superior alternatives?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:44 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

 

That is a really cock eyed way to do such things. I really do not understand
why Microsoft did not actually develop something like Outlook Express
instead of attempting to create a wheel with square corners. Its another
thing like Skype and ribbon menus where they know best, or rather think they
do!
Change for its own sake seems a complete waste of a programmers time.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest
NVDA?


Hi!
I use the Mail app all the time, and I definitely have the messages show in
conversation view. You can delete a whole group of messages at one press of
the delete key.
You have to press the left arrow a couple of times before you read the next
message.
The mail app opens the conversation by itself, so you have to press the left
arrow a couple of times really quickly and press delete very quickly if you
want to delete that entire conversation of messages.
I use NVDA with character typing, so I am not sure about word echo.
Sometimes, to read a message, you have to enter on the message, then shift
tab, and tab back to the message, press left arrow a couple of times to
close the conversation, and press enter two or three times quickly to open
the message.
The Mail app s not going to give you the same result all of the time.
You have to get creative and find work arounds as you go to get the most out
of it.
You can press the applications key or shift+F10 on a folder, and get many
choices like:
Create a sub folder, add the folder to your favorites, and more.
You cannot make rules in the mail app itself.
You have to create the rules on the web site, and they will import into the
mail app.
Good luck, and ask anymore questions!
David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?

Last night, I debued a new Laptop with Windows10, and am using its Mail app.
HOwever I?d like to see what settings you’drecommend to get the best working
experience? Firstly let’s say I?reading Emails a thread, and when the thread
ends, it seems to put me out of the Email bodies, with the button that in
Spanish, atlesat, it says something about Navigation expended, orNavigation
contracted.I’d like for the Mail program, like it has donewith allthe Mail
programs I’ve used over the yearsI’ve been using Windows, to until I’mdone
Reading all the Emails, it’ll take out of the theirbodies. My method is to
first delete all the ones that don’t seeminteresting, and only readthe
apparently interesting ones. Can this be done? And lastly the most
frustratingexperience I’m having with the Windows10Mail app is that NVDA
doesn’tread the words upon spacing! Yes I’veactivated and deactivated the
option of NVDA+3, with nodifference! So what tips/tricks do you guys
recommend to get the most out of Windows10’s Mail app?

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10









Re: Games for the blind

Clarissa Mitchell
 

I recently downloaded lots of games to occupy myself. Two main places
you can go are www.audiogames.net and the audio games archive, both of
which have been mentioned previously. AudioGames.knet has a list of
any game you could possibly want, and the archive has old games that
are no longer available elsewhere or were abandoned.

On 10/24/18, Sociohack AC <acsociopath@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi!

Any gamers here? I'm a beginner, can you introduce some of the games?

Also, if there something like prize gaming for blind people also?
--
Regards,
Sociohack




Re: Read Metadata in Switched Language

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well that ids because the computer is still switched to the language it defaults to, only the text being read is marked as spanish, so really nvda is doing what it is supposed to. If you switched the whole computer over then i guess it would all be in Spanish.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rechell Schwartz via Groups.Io" <rechell_schwartz=glic.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 3:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] Read Metadata in Switched Language


Hello,

When I have the screen reader read Spanish content with the eSpeak profile,
although it is reading the screen text properly, it is saying the metadata in English (e.g. "visited link")
in English. Is there any way to configure so that even the metadata is read in Spanish?

Thanks,
Rechell Schwartz
Guardian Life Insurance Company
IT - BTS Group UI/UX
(212)919-3853

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Re: Games for the blind

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

If you like text adventures, also known as interactive fiction, this is the place to go.

https://www.ifarchive.org/

 

On 10/24/2018 4:27 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:

 Hi!

Any gamers here? I'm a beginner, can you introduce some of the games?

Also, if there something like prize gaming for blind people also?
--
Regards,
Sociohack

 

 

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Re: Games for the blind

 

Hi Travis,
Is this a Spanish site? I opened the link and found a fully-Spanish website and still found nothing about gaming, even something about blind tech.
Cheers,
Marcio
Em 24/10/2018 13:32, Travis Siegel escreveu:

Folks looking for general gaming for the blind may be better served by the audyssey list.  I don't know the specific subscribe info, but it can be found at audyssey.org.

Hope this helps.


On 10/24/2018 4:27 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:

 Hi!

Any gamers here? I'm a beginner, can you introduce some of the games?

Also, if there something like prize gaming for blind people also?
--
Regards,
Sociohack



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Re: Games for the blind

goshawk on horseback
 


I don't think it is under that name any more, I think it transformed in to the blind gamers list:
 
Simon
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Games for the blind

Folks looking for general gaming for the blind may be better served by the audyssey list.  I don't know the specific subscribe info, but it can be found at audyssey.org.

Hope this helps.


On 10/24/2018 4:27 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:

 Hi!

Any gamers here? I'm a beginner, can you introduce some of the games?

Also, if there something like prize gaming for blind people also?
--
Regards,
Sociohack



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Re: PASTEL

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

the original poster asked about pastel (like the chalk used to draw on sidewalks), not pascal (a programming language), and just for reference, delphi is *not* related to open pascal, it's it's own little versio of pascal, that several free pascal implementations have to screw up their own code just to support delphi conventions, it's all very irritating for the free pascal folks.


On 10/24/2018 9:36 AM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

I don't know if Pascal is, but Delphi, which is a dialect of Open Pascal can be made to be accessible


On 24/10/2018 12:45 PM, Heaven Botma wrote:

Dear List

 

Does anyone know if Pastel works with NVDA, as it is a popular fincial accounting application in South African businesses?

 

Thank you.

 

Kind regards

 

 

 

Heaven Botma

Programme Co-ordinator | Program Koördineerder

20 Adderley Street, Worcester

T 023 348 7616 F 086 415 6835

www.innovationfortheblind.org

 




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Re: Games for the blind

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Folks looking for general gaming for the blind may be better served by the audyssey list.  I don't know the specific subscribe info, but it can be found at audyssey.org.

Hope this helps.


On 10/24/2018 4:27 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:

 Hi!

Any gamers here? I'm a beginner, can you introduce some of the games?

Also, if there something like prize gaming for blind people also?
--
Regards,
Sociohack



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Read Metadata in Switched Language

Rechell Schwartz <rechell_schwartz@...>
 

Hello,


When I have the screen reader read Spanish content with the eSpeak profile,

although it is reading the screen text properly, it is saying the metadata in English (e.g. “visited link”)

in English. Is there any way to configure so that even the metadata is read in Spanish?

 

Thanks,

Rechell Schwartz

Guardian Life Insurance Company

IT - BTS Group UI/UX

(212)919-3853

 


 


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