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Re: PASTEL
Jaffar Sidek
I don't know if Pascal is, but Delphi, which is a dialect of Open
Pascal can be made to be accessible
On 24/10/2018 12:45 PM, Heaven Botma
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O.T.: Fwd: Fwd: Low Vision? Disability? 1.8 Million digital books free, now Worldwide
Mallard
Hello all,
Sorry for the O.T., but I think this may interest many of us not living in the U.S.. I got my access last night, and am about to try this out. It's a great opportunity for us blind, visually impaired, and people with other print disabilities to access a world of books. Ciao, enoy! Ollie -------- Messaggio inoltrato -------- Oggetto: Low Vision? Disability? 1.8 Million digital books free, now Worldwide Data: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 16:21:32 +0000 Mittente: Brewster Kahle <> Low Vision? Disability? 1.8 Million digital books free, now Worldwide <http://blog.archive.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Raphael-cropped2.jpg>; You can take action now to expand access to 1.8million books worldwide. Individuals can qualify now <https://archive.org/details/printdisabled&;tab=about> to access 1.8 million digitized books, free. Internet Archive has recently expanded its program <http://blog.archive.org/2018/10/11/internet-archive-expands-access-to-millions-of-books-for-people-with-disabilities/>; for those with low vision and disabilities. Libraries, hospitals, schools, other orgs (worldwide!): can now sign up to authorize users <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfClhUkTvF5z29hhxoi5UgaB1_50lr8F7HV5Cq0ABdztX9CkA/viewform>;, as well as get digital files for further remediation for qualifying users. Publishers, please contribute your books <mailto:info@archive.org <mailto:info@archive.org>?subject=I%20have%20ebooks%20for%20the%20disabled> for this program! Service organizations, please host your digital books <mailto:info@archive.org <mailto:info@archive.org>?subject=I%20have%20ebooks%20for%20the%20disabled> on archive.org <http://archive.org>; to make seamless access to all books. Free. Press: please help get the word out, let us know how we can help <mailto:info@archive.org <mailto:info@archive.org>>. Donations needed <https://archive.org/donate/>; to get 4 million more books. Donate books or money (about $20 per book). Now available for access by anyone with disabilities worldwide… or for anyone to contribute books for people with disabilities: both helped by the US recently adopting the Marrakesh Treaty <http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ip/marrakesh/summary_marrakesh.html>;. <http://www.worldblindunion.org/English/our-work/our-priorities/Pages/right-2-read-campaign.aspx>; Now is our time to bring together a great library for those with disabilities. Together we can.
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Re: Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?
Gene
All that trouble when you can use Windows Live Mail
or Thunderbird? Why do people use the Microsoft Mail app when there are
such superior alternatives?
Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with
latest NVDA? why Microsoft did not actually develop something like Outlook Express instead of attempting to create a wheel with square corners. Its another thing like Skype and ribbon menus where they know best, or rather think they do! Change for its own sake seems a complete waste of a programmers time. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA? Hi! I use the Mail app all the time, and I definitely have the messages show in conversation view. You can delete a whole group of messages at one press of the delete key. You have to press the left arrow a couple of times before you read the next message. The mail app opens the conversation by itself, so you have to press the left arrow a couple of times really quickly and press delete very quickly if you want to delete that entire conversation of messages. I use NVDA with character typing, so I am not sure about word echo. Sometimes, to read a message, you have to enter on the message, then shift tab, and tab back to the message, press left arrow a couple of times to close the conversation, and press enter two or three times quickly to open the message. The Mail app s not going to give you the same result all of the time. You have to get creative and find work arounds as you go to get the most out of it. You can press the applications key or shift+F10 on a folder, and get many choices like: Create a sub folder, add the folder to your favorites, and more. You cannot make rules in the mail app itself. You have to create the rules on the web site, and they will import into the mail app. Good luck, and ask anymore questions! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Gerardo Corripio Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:54 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA? Last night, I debued a new Laptop with Windows10, and am using its Mail app. HOwever I?d like to see what settings you’drecommend to get the best working experience? Firstly let’s say I?reading Emails a thread, and when the thread ends, it seems to put me out of the Email bodies, with the button that in Spanish, atlesat, it says something about Navigation expended, orNavigation contracted.I’d like for the Mail program, like it has donewith allthe Mail programs I’ve used over the yearsI’ve been using Windows, to until I’mdone Reading all the Emails, it’ll take out of the theirbodies. My method is to first delete all the ones that don’t seeminteresting, and only readthe apparently interesting ones. Can this be done? And lastly the most frustratingexperience I’m having with the Windows10Mail app is that NVDA doesn’tread the words upon spacing! Yes I’veactivated and deactivated the option of NVDA+3, with nodifference! So what tips/tricks do you guys recommend to get the most out of Windows10’s Mail app? Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10
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Re: PASTEL
Andre Vosloo <avosloo1@...>
Hi Heaven
I doubt if it would. Pastel in itself is not very accessible I handled queries like this before. I Once tried Jaws on it and WE, no luck. As I said the interface itself is not very user friendly for blind people.\\regards
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Heaven Botma
Sent: 24 October 2018 6:45 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] PASTEL
Dear List
Does anyone know if Pastel works with NVDA, as it is a popular fincial accounting application in South African businesses?
Thank you.
Kind regards
Heaven Botma Programme Co-ordinator | Program Koördineerder 20 Adderley Street, Worcester T 023 348 7616 F 086 415 6835
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Re: Games for the blind
Josh Kennedy
there's eurofly:
http://eurofly.stefankiss.sk/ Jim Kitchen's games pack with lots and lots of audio games. https://blog.bryansmart.com/2015/08/12/kitchens-sink-1-0/ the audiogames.net forum with even more games. www.audiogames.net the audioGames archive with more games. https://www.agarchive.net/ sam tupy's audio games, such as survive the wild, redSpot, and more. www.samtupy.com Josh
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Re: Games for the blind
Kevin <kleeva5@...>
https://www.audiogames.net/db.php?id=BG+chess+challenge
E-mail is golden!!!
From: Sociohack AC
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 1:27 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Games for the blind
Hi! Any gamers here? I'm a beginner, can you introduce some of the games? Also, if there something like prize gaming for blind people also?
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Re: Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?
Gerardo Corripio
And is there yet a way to quickly switch from Conversation to Imdividual Messages view? Because on my previous Win7 Laptop, using Thunderbird, I’d use Conversation view to delete the uninteresting ones, and switch to Individual view to read and interact with the ones left.
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Gera Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
El 24 oct 2018, a la(s) 12:14 a. m., Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> escribió:
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Re: Games for the blind
Hello,
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Assuming you're already familiar to the concept of the blind gaming, I'll just write about the suggestion. If it's not the case let me know and I'll do my best trying to help you from the beginning. Some "old but gold" games include: Dark destroyer - You have to kill the alien ships before them come to earth. Last Crusade - A traditional RPG where you have to face many enemies in 3 different stages. Top Speed - Car racing game 3d Snake - The traditional Snake game from the old cellphones Duckblaster - You have to hunt and fire against ducks Light Locater - You're an agent trying to disarm a bomb in a building with many floors. Pigeon Panic - You have to fire against pigeons. Super Egg Hunt - You have to collect eggs as much as you can. Tarzan Jr - Well, I don't know how to explain this game since it's about various gaming styles in a single game, so I'll just say you give it a try. P.S.: I don't know if it's on the topic of the list so you can write me privately if you want. Cheers, Marcio Em 24/10/2018 05:27, Sociohack AC escreveu:
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Games for the blind
Akshaya Choudhary
Hi! Any gamers here? I'm a beginner, can you introduce some of the games? Also, if there something like prize gaming for blind people also?
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Re: Introducing Add-on Updater 18.10 stable release
#addonrelease
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes and I also want to remind people about toolbar explorer add on as well. This has helped a great deal with some software that was only accessible via screen nav before.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Robert Doc Wright godfearer" <godfearer@comcast.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introducing Add-on Updater 18.10 stable release #AddonRelease hurray! i like it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Lee To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 5:15 PM Subject: [nvda] Introducing Add-on Updater 18.10 stable release #AddonRelease Hi NVDA community, A few months ago I announced a prototype of a feature under development, packaged up as a proof of concept add-on. I'm delighted to announce that, starting this very moment, everyone using recent NVDA releases can enjoy this feature: ability to check for, download, and update add-ons with Add-on Updater 18.10 stable version! A few things to note: a.. Even though this is now a stable add-on, Add-on Updater is still tagged as proof of concept. Once add-on updating comes to NVDA itself, Add-on Updater will be discontinued. b.. Not all add-ons you've got will be updated. At the moment only the add-ons listed on community add-ons website (addons.nvda-project.org), along with Remote Support add-on will be subject to update checks by Add-on Updater. c.. You can ask NVDA to never check for add-on updates on per-add-on basis, as well as ask NVDA to look for development snapshots. d.. If you disable any add-on, Add-on Updater won't check for updates for these add-ons. If you happen to disable Add-on Updater, you won't be able to check for add-on updates via NVDA. There are several add-ons that does come with their own standalone update check facility, and if Add-on Updater is turned off, these standalone update check features will kick in (unless you turn this off from add-ons themselves). Requirements: a.. NVDA 2018.2 or later b.. Windows 7 Service Pack 1 or later Add-on page: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/addonUpdater.en.html Source code: https://github.com/josephsl/addonupdater For people wishing to provide pull requests: feel free to provide pull requests for issues except: requesting update checks for add-ons not hosted on community add-ons site. If you do ask for that in your pull request (or as a new issue for this add-on), especially adding packages from a certain website (yes, I'm sure you know the site I'm talking about), I'll close them without comment. This restriction is mostly for quality control. Enjoy. Cheers, Joseph
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Re: Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
That is a really cock eyed way to do such things. I really do not understand why Microsoft did not actually develop something like Outlook Express instead of attempting to create a wheel with square corners. Its another thing like Skype and ribbon menus where they know best, or rather think they do!
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Change for its own sake seems a complete waste of a programmers time. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA? Hi! I use the Mail app all the time, and I definitely have the messages show in conversation view. You can delete a whole group of messages at one press of the delete key. You have to press the left arrow a couple of times before you read the next message. The mail app opens the conversation by itself, so you have to press the left arrow a couple of times really quickly and press delete very quickly if you want to delete that entire conversation of messages. I use NVDA with character typing, so I am not sure about word echo. Sometimes, to read a message, you have to enter on the message, then shift tab, and tab back to the message, press left arrow a couple of times to close the conversation, and press enter two or three times quickly to open the message. The Mail app s not going to give you the same result all of the time. You have to get creative and find work arounds as you go to get the most out of it. You can press the applications key or shift+F10 on a folder, and get many choices like: Create a sub folder, add the folder to your favorites, and more. You cannot make rules in the mail app itself. You have to create the rules on the web site, and they will import into the mail app. Good luck, and ask anymore questions! David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Gerardo Corripio Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 4:54 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA? Last night, I debued a new Laptop with Windows10, and am using its Mail app. HOwever I?d like to see what settings you’drecommend to get the best working experience? Firstly let’s say I?reading Emails a thread, and when the thread ends, it seems to put me out of the Email bodies, with the button that in Spanish, atlesat, it says something about Navigation expended, orNavigation contracted.I’d like for the Mail program, like it has donewith allthe Mail programs I’ve used over the yearsI’ve been using Windows, to until I’mdone Reading all the Emails, it’ll take out of the theirbodies. My method is to first delete all the ones that don’t seeminteresting, and only readthe apparently interesting ones. Can this be done? And lastly the most frustratingexperience I’m having with the Windows10Mail app is that NVDA doesn’tread the words upon spacing! Yes I’veactivated and deactivated the option of NVDA+3, with nodifference! So what tips/tricks do you guys recommend to get the most out of Windows10’s Mail app? Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10
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Re: FW: Problem with F12 key
Hello,
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It'd be due an add-on called Speech Output Copier. Try disabling this add-on at the add-on manager which is located in tools' menu, or just doing a test, try to activate NVDA sleep mode, press the key, then turn the mode off and see what happens. Hth Cheers, Marcio Em 23/10/2018 17:30, Morne van der
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Re: nvda and google docs sheets and slides
David Moore
Hi Sally! I use Google Docs a lot with NVDA in Google Chrome. The command you spoke of helps a lot in Google apps. When you press NVDA+SHIFT+Spacebar, the editing functions work so much better. Also, the commands for spell checking work great! To get the correct formatting, though, I find that I have to press the Google command to hear formatting. That is: Holding the alt and control, and pressing A, then F. That gives better results than pressing NVDA+F to get formatting details. Great to talk to you Sally. I am working on tutorials on using Google apps with NVDA and Chrome. David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 9:58 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and google docs sheets and slides
I've historically had pretty good luck using docs and sheets with chrome and chromevox but admittedly do not rely on them. I haven't memorized many of the hotkeys since chromevox next came out because the documentation I found didn't seem to keep up with the new keymap and although I have Chrome and Chromevox on windows and Mac too, I usually default to MS office, pages, or numbers when on those machines.
Sunday, I found that some websites are working best with Chrome and NVDA instead of Firefox and NVDA or Chrome and ChromeVox. I will be playing with the hrome and NVDA combination now.
Is it possible that the NVDA+shift+space hotkey to deactivate single letter navigation will help improve docs and sheets functionality?
Cheers, Sally
On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 1:57 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
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Re: Best settings to use Windows10's Mail app with latest NVDA?
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
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i recently did a windows feedback asking for a hot
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Re: Introducing Add-on Updater 18.10 stable release
#addonrelease
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
hurray! i like it.
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PASTEL
Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
Dear List
Does anyone know if Pastel works with NVDA, as it is a popular fincial accounting application in South African businesses?
Thank you.
Kind regards
Heaven Botma Programme Co-ordinator | Program Koördineerder 20 Adderley Street, Worcester T 023 348 7616 F 086 415 6835
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Re: nvda and google docs sheets and slides
Sally Kiebdaj
I've historically had pretty good luck using docs and sheets with chrome and chromevox but admittedly do not rely on them. I haven't memorized many of the hotkeys since chromevox next came out because the documentation I found didn't seem to keep up with the new keymap and although I have Chrome and Chromevox on windows and Mac too, I usually default to MS office, pages, or numbers when on those machines. Sunday, I found that some websites are working best with Chrome and NVDA instead of Firefox and NVDA or Chrome and ChromeVox. I will be playing with the hrome and NVDA combination now. Is it possible that the NVDA+shift+space hotkey to deactivate single letter navigation will help improve docs and sheets functionality? Cheers, Sally
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Re: Sluggish browse mode keystrokes in Google Chrome
Sally Kiebdaj
Ditto. I had been turning off browse mode entirely. This is much nicer. Thanks!
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:57 PM The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
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Re: determining the color of a text in Excel with NVDA
Laurie Mehta
Exactly, thanks for putting it so concisely.
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On Mon, 10/22/18, Dale Leavens <dleavens@puc.net> wrote:
Perhaps the answer is to have NVDA announce colour change when encountered. I am not a fan of software be it screen reader technology in making assumptions about meaning. So much of my software makes assumptions about things like abbreviations speaking most two letter combinations as American state names. SC cannot appear without being spoken as South Carolina for example and D r. Is pronounced as drive. I worked for decades in health care with endless pronounceaations of drive jones or drive Simpson etc. Certain four letter words get substitutions. How juvenile and how patronizing. While red may in most contexts refer to negative numbers it might also simply represent a highlight to draw the reader’s attention in another context. Cheers. Dale Leavens On Oct 22, 2018, at 9:21 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote: I cannot believe, seriously, that anyone who deals with Excel spreadsheets on a regular basis that have as their primary purpose doing numeric calculations could ever propose that having a screen reader read just what's on view for a numeric cell, when what's on view would be interpreted by a sighted user in one and only one way, and a way that is completely the opposite of what's on display if the conventional use of "red" for negative is intentionally ignored. The numeric value of a numeric cell is essential if the data is to have any meaning that everyone, blind or sighted, will interpret correctly. Since the blind cannot possibly interpret color in the same way as a sighted person would for red values in a spreadsheet, what's essential is that they are clearly given the actual information that the color represents to a sighted user. It's just that simple. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 The terrible state of public education has paid huge dividends in ignorance. Huge. We now have a country that can be told blatant lies — easily checkable, blatant lies — and I’m not talking about the covert workings of the CIA. When we have a terrorist attack, on September 11, 2001 with 19 men — 15 of them are Saudis — and five minutes later the whole country thinks they’re from Iraq — how can you have faith in the public? This is an easily checkable fact. The whole country is like the O.J. Simpson jurors. ~ Fran Lebowitz in Ruminator Magazine interview with Susannah McNeely (Aug/Sept 2005)
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Introducing Add-on Updater 18.10 stable release
#addonrelease
Hi NVDA community,
A few months ago I announced a prototype of a feature under development, packaged up as a proof of concept add-on. I’m delighted to announce that, starting this very moment, everyone using recent NVDA releases can enjoy this feature: ability to check for, download, and update add-ons with Add-on Updater 18.10 stable version!
A few things to note:
Requirements:
Add-on page: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/addonUpdater.en.html
Source code: https://github.com/josephsl/addonupdater
For people wishing to provide pull requests: feel free to provide pull requests for issues except: requesting update checks for add-ons not hosted on community add-ons site. If you do ask for that in your pull request (or as a new issue for this add-on), especially adding packages from a certain website (yes, I’m sure you know the site I’m talking about), I’ll close them without comment. This restriction is mostly for quality control.
Enjoy. Cheers, Joseph
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