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Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Amir
 

I've returned to Google Chrome 84 for now, but will give MS Edge 85 another try as it is released. My issues aren't limited to the Address Bar/App Bar, and a couple of them are NVDA-specific as reported on Github. So I'd rather test newer releases of both in the future instead of going through the Windows fix.

Best,
Amir


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 10:54 AM, Amir wrote:
Rather, they sometimes fail and sometimes work -- especially when Control+T is pressed.
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Which, again, is highly atypical.  I cannot, and will not attempt, to make you do anything.  But you are having experiences that are outliers on the bell curve, which clearly suggest that something is not quite right.

I've been using Chromium-based Edge since before its wide release, both with and without a screen reader, and have not as yet encountered any of the issues you report.  Others have told you the same.   That suggests something idiosyncratic to your installation, whether of Edge or of Windows 10.
 
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Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Amir
 

It's not that they fail all the time. Rather, they sometimes fail and sometimes work -- especially when Control+T is pressed. So I don't think the installation is problematic.
Given the overall smoothness of NVDA's behavior with Google Chrome compared with Edge and the misspelled notification issue affecting MS Edge, I'd rather return to Google Chrome and not go through the hassles of the Windows fix. BTW I reported NVDA's misspelled notification bug here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11480

Best,
Amir


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

CARLOS-ESTEBAN
 

Hello.

About the notifications, you can create a configuration profile with NVDA+control+P in the Microsoft Edge Window. In this configuration profile, disable report notifications and this option only go to work if you is in Edge. In other Windows, NVDA read the notifications.

regards.


El 10/8/2020 a las 5:46, Greg Wocher escribió:
Hello,
Try using Control Plus L to move to the address bar. It is what I use and it works every time. 

Greg Wocher


On Aug 10, 2020, at 5:52 AM, Amir <mobilespace08@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,
 
Thanks for your reply.
It's quite strange because I'm not moved to the App Bar/Address Bar upon pressing Control+T quite often. Even if I press Control+T, attempting to force the cursor to move to the App Bar with ALT+D fails quite often, and the cursor will remain on an HTML area belonging to the new tab page. I have none of these issues in Google Chrome, and wish Edge would allow us to use a blank page for its new tabs.
As for Favorites, I don't have Dropbox installed as I don't use it. The equivalent of the Bookmarks submenu in Google Chrome is Favorites in Edge, accessible via ALT+F+O followed by Enter, but it doesn't allow first-letter navigation for some of the letters as they activate some functions -- like A for Add this page to Favorites.
 
Best,
Amir

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Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.


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Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

 

If CTRL+L/ALT+D aren't moving you to the address bar in new Edge then there is a corruption in your installation.

With the exception of a very few shortcuts, because Microsoft elected to maintain the Favorites terminology, pretty much every keyboard command applicable to Chrome (or any Chromium-based browser) is also applicable to new Edge.

You should try, Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10, for starters.
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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

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Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Daniel Damacena
 

A week ago I was teaching a class of 50 people about object navigation. The first thing that I did was to show one usage example. It's a really abstract concept and nothing more efficient in learning than a concrete example, right?

I showed how to verify how many time was played in VLC, a music/video player. It's not possible to check this information with the normal cursor, better saying, with arrows and tab.

Em 09/08/2020 16:00, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Jackie (and many others, since I last posted),

Thank you very much for concrete examples of where, and how, you are using Object Navigation.  It's so much easier to formulate an educated guess of where it might be helpful/appropriate when you encounter a situation if you've seen other situations where it was.

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Re: NVDA and MathML content, plus Hi from Jay at AC

 

Given that Math ML is very much purpose driven, designed to be read much more "naturally" in context, and is well supported that's likely your best option.

Also, if that's what was requested, and has been supplied, it's in your (and your student's) best interest to get a handle on it.  

If you didn't read the topic, Speech Dictionaries: Changing How Superscripted Text Is Read ,
yesterday take a look at it, too.
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A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings unintentionally.

          ~ Oscar Wilde

 


Re: NVDA and MathML content, plus Hi from Jay at AC

Jason Timms
 

What would you suggest for a Math textbook?
I have not actually read Math ML in word but it is what the student requested adn the service provider sent us. Just learning more about Math ML and screen readers.
Would some type of HTML version of a Math text book work better?

Jay


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I did not know that MathML can be read in a format such as Word or PDF.

If I am going to write math formulas, I use matjax.
When I move the cursor on  the formula, I press NVDA+ALT+M. This creates a virtual cursor  for me to study math content.

And I use Chrome.

On 04/08/2020 19:04, Jason Timms wrote:

Hi

My name is Jay Timms,

Wanted to say hi before blasting some questions to the group. Go gentle I am new here.

I am looking for advice on MathML and NVDA. I am working with a student who needs to access Math.

I have material encoded in MathML, have connected to try to load MathPlayer on his computer. He has the latest version of NVDA and Windows 10. I have reinstalled his Office to ensure it is 32 bit.

His material is in MS Word and has been encoded by a Professional service provider known for their ability to encode in MathML.

We can’t seem to get NVDA to speak the content in the book?

Any thoughts?

Also, I have not worked with someone using MathML before, are there other software solutions or format choices that may work better. The student is new to NVDA and MathML so switching file format is not likely an issue as we are starting from the beginning anyway?

Thanks,,

Jay @ AC

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Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Amir
 

Luke, thanks for the Registry suggestion. I just tried it but to no avail.
However, the more I test Edge Chromium with NVDA, the more I come to the conclusion that Google Chrome is a better option. For instance, with the groups.io website if you want to reply to a message via the web interface (like what I'm doing right now), NVDA becomes quite sluggish on the Rich Text area, responding quite slowly to presses of Left, Right, Home, End, and so forth in MS Edge Chromium 84. But with Google Chrome 84 everything works as expected and working with such editors is a breeze. Also add it to the fact that NVDA's reporting of misspelled words, via the buzz, is broken on MS Edge Chromium whereas it works with Google Chrome like a charm. Guess I'm switching back to Google Chrome after that stint with Edge.

Best,
Amir


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Amir
 

Control+L makes no difference. That is, if ALT+D works, Control+L also works. But if ALT+D fails, Control+l will fail, too.

Best,
Amir


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,
Try using Control Plus L to move to the address bar. It is what I use and it works every time. 

Greg Wocher


On Aug 10, 2020, at 5:52 AM, Amir <mobilespace08@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,
 
Thanks for your reply.
It's quite strange because I'm not moved to the App Bar/Address Bar upon pressing Control+T quite often. Even if I press Control+T, attempting to force the cursor to move to the App Bar with ALT+D fails quite often, and the cursor will remain on an HTML area belonging to the new tab page. I have none of these issues in Google Chrome, and wish Edge would allow us to use a blank page for its new tabs.
As for Favorites, I don't have Dropbox installed as I don't use it. The equivalent of the Bookmarks submenu in Google Chrome is Favorites in Edge, accessible via ALT+F+O followed by Enter, but it doesn't allow first-letter navigation for some of the letters as they activate some functions -- like A for Add this page to Favorites.
 
Best,
Amir


Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Gene
 

That's a good point. I consider it a bug in terms of implementing accessibility and/or use from the keyboard. People may want to report it. The combo box should do nothing when it is opened and when you move.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Davis
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 5:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

While Gene's example is a perfect use case for object nav, personally I would
consider this a bug, either in NVDA or in Firefox. Posted.
Https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11479

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020, Gene wrote:

Today, I wanted to change the setting in Firefox about how it would work with history. I wanted to use the combo box to have it use custom settings. But every time I would change the setting, even after opening the combo box, a dialog would come up telling me I would have to restart the program for the setting to take effect. I used object navigation, after opening the combo box with alt down arrow, to see the options without triggering the dialog and I selected the one I wanted by working with the object. I don't remember if I used the mouse option or the perform default action option. Screen review was useless. I wouldn't have been able to work with the combo box without object navigation.


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Gene
 

What happens if you use control l, the other way to get to the address bar in Chrome? The results may be the same but since Chrome provides two different commands, try the other one.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Amir
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 4:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?


Hi Richard,

Thanks for your reply.
It's quite strange because I'm not moved to the App Bar/Address Bar upon pressing Control+T quite often. Even if I press Control+T, attempting to force the cursor to move to the App Bar with ALT+D fails quite often, and the cursor will remain on an HTML area belonging to the new tab page. I have none of these issues in Google Chrome, and wish Edge would allow us to use a blank page for its new tabs.
As for Favorites, I don't have Dropbox installed as I don't use it. The equivalent of the Bookmarks submenu in Google Chrome is Favorites in Edge, accessible via ALT+F+O followed by Enter, but it doesn't allow first-letter navigation for some of the letters as they activate some functions -- like A for Add this page to Favorites.

Best,
Amir


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Luke Davis
 

Amir, i don't use Edge enough to have noticed this. However have you tried running the Com Registration Fixing Tool in NVDA's Tools menu? There is a slight chance it might normalize some of this behavior.

Then again, it could be an Edge bug that has no connection to NVDA, but running the Com Reg Fixing Tool won't hurt anything.

Luke

On Mon, 10 Aug 2020, Amir wrote:

It's quite strange because I'm not moved to the App Bar/Address Bar upon pressing Control+T quite often. Even if I press Control+T, attempting to force the
cursor to move to the App Bar with ALT+D fails quite often, and the cursor will remain on an HTML area belonging to the new tab page. I have none of these
issues in Google Chrome, and wish Edge would allow us to use a blank page for its new tabs.


Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Luke Davis
 

While Gene's example is a perfect use case for object nav, personally I would consider this a bug, either in NVDA or in Firefox. Posted. Https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11479

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020, Gene wrote:

Today, I wanted to change the setting in Firefox about how it would work with history. I wanted to use the combo box to have it use custom settings. But every time I would change the setting, even after opening the combo box, a dialog would come up telling me I would have to restart the program for the setting to take effect. I used object navigation, after opening the combo box with alt down arrow, to see the options without triggering the dialog and I selected the one I wanted by working with the object. I don't remember if I used the mouse option or the perform default action option. Screen review was useless. I wouldn't have been able to work with the combo box without object navigation.


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Amir
 

Hi Richard,
 
Thanks for your reply.
It's quite strange because I'm not moved to the App Bar/Address Bar upon pressing Control+T quite often. Even if I press Control+T, attempting to force the cursor to move to the App Bar with ALT+D fails quite often, and the cursor will remain on an HTML area belonging to the new tab page. I have none of these issues in Google Chrome, and wish Edge would allow us to use a blank page for its new tabs.
As for Favorites, I don't have Dropbox installed as I don't use it. The equivalent of the Bookmarks submenu in Google Chrome is Favorites in Edge, accessible via ALT+F+O followed by Enter, but it doesn't allow first-letter navigation for some of the letters as they activate some functions -- like A for Add this page to Favorites.
 
Best,
Amir


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Richard Bartholomew
 

Hi, Amir

 

To answer a couple of your points…yes, I do go straight to the app bar if I press either Ctrl+T or Alt+D in Edge. 

 

As far as favourites are concerned, I’m afraid I can’t directly answer that since I use a different approach to favourites.  I save all my favourites as shortcuts in a Dropbox folder which means that I have access to them no matter which browser or platform I’m using provided, of course, the machine or phone has Dropbox installed on it.

 

Cheers

Richard Bartholomew

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amir
Sent: 10 August 2020 06:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

 

And to add to that, I use, or rather used, Google Chrome in combination with AdGuard for Windows which is considered by many as the best champion of privacy and user protection.

So, folks, if possible please provide solutions or work-arounds for the Edge/NVDA duo? Do you always get the Address Bar as you press Control+T in Edge? How about a blank, non-intrusive new tab? And how do you interact with Favorites in Edge efficiently?

 

Best,

Amir


Re: Honey - Browser Extension that finds Promo Codes on Websites

Fawaz Abdul rahman
 

I use it and it works fine, however, if you clicked on the coupon  it will take you to  another page where you need sighted help to  read the code itself.

The information usually top of the page, will tell you if there are coupons or lower prices on other stores.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 7:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] honey

 

I haven't tried it, but it sounds like it might be similar to things like Grammarly in that it puts a visual overlay over a page which works for a sighted person, but doesn't interact with screen readers.  It is worth contacting the people who make Honey if you haven't already to ask about their accessibility testing.

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 1:24 AM Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:

There is a extension for browsers called homey that automatically
searches for promo codes on certain web sites.  After installing the
extension to Google Chrome and going to amazon Honey puts up some info
on the web page that it seems that NVDA can't get to. Anyone using Honey
with NVDA with any success?  Talking about using it on a Win 10 system
with latest version of Google Chrome and NVDA 2020.2.





 

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Re: Honey - Browser Extension that finds Promo Codes on Websites

mcLeod stinnett
 

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from mack I installed it with no success. inclined to believe it's strictly visual.


Re: Issues with Edge Chromium: is Google Chrome still a more viable option?

Amir
 

And to add to that, I use, or rather used, Google Chrome in combination with AdGuard for Windows which is considered by many as the best champion of privacy and user protection.
So, folks, if possible please provide solutions or work-arounds for the Edge/NVDA duo? Do you always get the Address Bar as you press Control+T in Edge? How about a blank, non-intrusive new tab? And how do you interact with Favorites in Edge efficiently?
 
Best,
Amir