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Re: NVDA and Battleship and Memory games

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Don't have a clue where to get the particular ones you asked for, but I have had a battleship game posted on my softcon pages for more than 10 years, and haven't received a single feedback message about it.

I also have a memory game I wrote for use with the raspberry pi, that I can easily repurpose for windoes and post on the site as well, it's as simple as recompiling the source code under windows, since it doesn't use any linux specific features.  I'll get that done in the next day or two and post it up with the battleship game too.

You can find the battleship game at:

http://www.softcon.com/files/


Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

 

I got the same thing, happy new year!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 7:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #AddonRelease

It wasn't the audio message? That was a surprise to me. I thought that was so cool! And Happy new Year to all of you! :)

Annette, who hopes she didn't give it away

On 12/31/2018 11:04 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
That's not the surprise. A keen user will know the surprise I'm
talking about.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 9:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of
version
19.01.1 #AddonRelease

Wow, did that come through the addon or was it part of email.

This is interesting though, obviously for seecurity you would have to
be carefull, but some sort of daily message or something on new things
or whatever well that was good.

Then again you said a surprise was coming and well yeah.

I have never had a happy new year from my screenreader, thats novel.



On 1/1/2019 4:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Joseph


A good message to start the year with same back at you like a boomerang.


We are already 17 hours into the new year.


I will not copy and paste the message they will see when they update it.


Gene nz


On 31/12/2018 4:01 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi everyone,

Happy New Year (or New Year's Eve depending on where you are).

Sometime in 2019 (few seconds after midnight UTC on January 1, 2019
to be
exact), Add-on Updater 19.01.1 will make its appearance on any
computer running NVDA with this add-on installed. Although this is a
point release, it is a major release that resolves more compatibility
issues with Python 3 and simplifies certain portions of this add-on
source code. You will also find a surprise inside (shhh, you'll see it
after upgrading to that version).
Cheers,
Joseph

--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where
you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains
the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world,
who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.






Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

Annette Moore
 

It wasn't the audio message? That was a surprise to me. I thought that was so cool! And Happy new Year to all of you! :)

Annette, who hopes she didn't give it away

On 12/31/2018 11:04 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
That's not the surprise. A keen user will know the surprise I'm talking
about.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 9:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version
19.01.1 #AddonRelease

Wow, did that come through the addon or was it part of email.

This is interesting though, obviously for seecurity you would have to be
carefull, but some sort of daily message or something on new things or
whatever well that was good.

Then again you said a surprise was coming and well yeah.

I have never had a happy new year from my screenreader, thats novel.



On 1/1/2019 4:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Joseph


A good message to start the year with same back at you like a boomerang.


We are already 17 hours into the new year.


I will not copy and paste the message they will see when they update it.


Gene nz


On 31/12/2018 4:01 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi everyone,

Happy New Year (or New Year's Eve depending on where you are).

Sometime in 2019 (few seconds after midnight UTC on January 1, 2019 to be
exact), Add-on Updater 19.01.1 will make its appearance on any computer
running NVDA with this add-on installed. Although this is a point release,
it is a major release that resolves more compatibility issues with Python 3
and simplifies certain portions of this add-on source code. You will also
find a surprise inside (shhh, you'll see it after upgrading to that
version).
Cheers,
Joseph

--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are
in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of
the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.





Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

 

Hi,
That's not the surprise. A keen user will know the surprise I'm talking
about.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 9:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version
19.01.1 #AddonRelease

Wow, did that come through the addon or was it part of email.

This is interesting though, obviously for seecurity you would have to be
carefull, but some sort of daily message or something on new things or
whatever well that was good.

Then again you said a surprise was coming and well yeah.

I have never had a happy new year from my screenreader, thats novel.



On 1/1/2019 4:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Joseph


A good message to start the year with same back at you like a boomerang.


We are already 17 hours into the new year.


I will not copy and paste the message they will see when they update it.


Gene nz


On 31/12/2018 4:01 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi everyone,

Happy New Year (or New Year's Eve depending on where you are).

Sometime in 2019 (few seconds after midnight UTC on January 1, 2019 to be
exact), Add-on Updater 19.01.1 will make its appearance on any computer
running NVDA with this add-on installed. Although this is a point release,
it is a major release that resolves more compatibility issues with Python 3
and simplifies certain portions of this add-on source code. You will also
find a surprise inside (shhh, you'll see it after upgrading to that
version).

Cheers,
Joseph

--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are
in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of
the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.




Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

 

Wow, did that come through the addon or was it part of email.

This is interesting though, obviously for seecurity you would have to be carefull, but some sort of daily message or something on new things or whatever well that was good.

Then again you said a surprise was coming and well yeah.

I have never had a happy new year from my screenreader, thats novel.

On 1/1/2019 4:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Joseph


A good message to start the year with same back at you like a boomerang.


We are already 17 hours into the new year.


I will not copy and paste the message they will see when they update it.


Gene nz


On 31/12/2018 4:01 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi everyone,

Happy New Year (or New Year’s Eve depending on where you are).

Sometime in 2019 (few seconds after midnight UTC on January 1, 2019 to be exact), Add-on Updater 19.01.1 will make its appearance on any computer running NVDA with this add-on installed. Although this is a point release, it is a major release that resolves more compatibility issues with Python 3 and simplifies certain portions of this add-on source code. You will also find a surprise inside (shhh, you’ll see it after upgrading to that version).

Cheers,
Joseph

--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Joseph


A good message to start the year with same back at you like a boomerang.


We are already 17 hours into the new year.


I will not copy and paste the message they will see when they update it.


Gene nz


On 31/12/2018 4:01 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

Happy New Year (or New Year’s Eve depending on where you are).

 

Sometime in 2019 (few seconds after midnight UTC on January 1, 2019 to be exact), Add-on Updater 19.01.1 will make its appearance on any computer running NVDA with this add-on installed. Although this is a point release, it is a major release that resolves more compatibility issues with Python 3 and simplifies certain portions of this add-on source code. You will also find a surprise inside (shhh, you’ll see it after upgrading to that version).

 

Cheers,

Joseph

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA elequence question

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

It expires and becomes unusable, however code factory is still in your NVDA prefs you must delete it manually.

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Darren Harris via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 6:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA elequence question

 

Hi all,

 

I have installed the code factory eloquence voice on my GPD win 2. I have 2 days left of the trial of eloquence. At the end of it, do I have to buy the eloquence voices? Or do they revert to a free version of eloquence? I have eloquence on my other machine but I never paid for that as it shipped with my laptop when I purchased it. So am not sure about this.

 

 

 


Re: Browse mode and focus

 

Sure, so I'm going to try Super Browser to see what it's like. Taking the risk, of course, but it's all about experiments :)
Thanks for the answer.


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Em 31/12/2018 22:32, Tony Malykh escreveu:

This is not an andd-on, this is rather a pull request - a patch for
NVDA. It does very similar things but in a much cleaner way.
SuperBrowser add-on was experimental, since it broke many things. Pull
request I prepared cannot be installed - rather NVDA devs should
hopefully merge it into the next release of NVDA, but it speeds up
browsing experience without breaking anything (hopefully - it doesn't
break anything for me, but more testing might reveal more problems).

On 12/31/18, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...> wrote:
Hello Tony,
Could you please tell me the differences between this add-on and the old
called Super Browser?
I downloaded the latter I said but have never tested it.

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Em 31/12/2018 22:14, Tony Malykh escreveu:
I have created a pull request that speeds up browse mode. Now I hope
NVDA devs will be kind enough to accept it:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/9114

Basically it creates a new mode in NVDA that can be toggled on and off
by pressing NVDA+8 (remember to uninstall my SuperBrowser add-on that
overrides the same keystroke). In this mode system focus doesn't
follow browse mode and the entire browsing experience is much smoother
on my computer. Edit boxes don't steal your focus without your
permission either.

--Tony


On 12/29/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
If they approve, can you put this on the central repo for the add ons?
This seems very useful.

Take care

On 28 Dec 2018, at 21:57, David Goldfield wrote:

Tony,

I meant to thank you for this addon. As you say it does seem to
improve responsiveness while accessing the Web and so I'm very
grateful that you took the time to write and release this.

Thank you for your service.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
On 12/25/2018 2:47 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:

I just wrote a tiny add-on that prevents NVDA from sending focus
events to the browser.
Binary:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2Freleases%2Fdownload%2Fv0.1dev%2Fsuperbrowser-0.1dev.nvda-addon&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=eTebXXud1KO6xO2fZbS5GsH%2BOfft7%2B2s94W7ItAVCQQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
Source and description:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=mrmdXsR7tcB76B%2BRMmiDNu3wIqzO05CGCc7X3jNQfas%3D&amp;reserved=0
Press NVDA+8 to turn focus sending to browsers on and off.
It's not a production-ready add-on, as it introduces a lot of side
effects when not sending focus events. However, it'll give you an idea
how much faster and more responsive your browsing experience  might
become without these focus events being sent back and forth.


On 12/21/18, Gene <gsasner@...><mailto:gsasner@...> wrote:


Are you sure you have automatic switching off in NVDA?  I never have
browse
mode turn off when I have the automatic switching feature off.  I have
repeatedly said that automatic switching should not be on by default.
It is
not a setting that people should have on unless they know about it and
understand exactly how it works.

And to confuse unknowledgeable and learning users more, it
automatically
switches modes when you move in some ways and it doesn't switch when
you
move in other ways.  People learning how to use the internet should
not have
this feature confusing them and making it harder to learn.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


I must also add that edit boxes sporadically entering forms mode is a
very big problem for me. At work I have to use a website that contains
an edit box that somehow always enters forms mode and once this
happens, the web site opens a popup dialog somewhere in the end of the
page and brings the focus there. So there is no easy way to go past
that edit box and the entire website becomes unusable. I know, this is
probably not a very screenreader-friendly website, but Jaws manages to
work fine with it somehow. I would say that this problem is one of the
major disadvantages of NVDA compared to Jaws.

On 12/21/18, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io
<anton.malykh@...><mailto:anton.malykh@...>
wrote:


Hi Felix,
I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band
browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit boxes
automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to.
It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems
like a complicated issue to fix.
1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor moves
system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term. We already
have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to NVDA+6 - so it
seems to be just a question of adding another switch like this. I have
to say that most of the web sites work fine for me with current NVDA
behavior, and for those websites that don't work very well, this new
switch might come very handy.
2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not update
system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update it when
they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus?

Best
Tony


On 12/21/18, Felix G.
<constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
wrote:


Just found a ticket on this problem:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F2039&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=%2BjIsiaGma9V0Ym0juy2COLOD1v1Dq9HThNIY3tzkOpE%3D&amp;reserved=0
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...>:



Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode
cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It
would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a
position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA
in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to
interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not
slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined
as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard
to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very
technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene
<gsasner@...><mailto:gsasner@...>:



I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the
technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed.  Are
you
talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse
mode
just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something
like
Notepad?  In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be
triggered on the page as you move.  But you seem to be discussing
this
related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind
person
is on the page.  If so, why are you assuming they are related?  Isn't
there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted
instructors or others working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA
review doesn't.

Gene
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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you
need
to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not
everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
  Brian

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From: "Felix G."
<constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus




Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we
are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21@...><mailto:marcinhorj21@...>:



Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at
the
NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change
or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm
not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing
experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements.
With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse
mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back
a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the
user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is
simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also
seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow
keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix

































































Re: Browse mode and focus

 

Hi,
There is one potential issue that may show up once a research project from a developer in Europe comes to NVDA. See my comment on that pull request for details. Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

This is not an andd-on, this is rather a pull request - a patch for NVDA. It does very similar things but in a much cleaner way.
SuperBrowser add-on was experimental, since it broke many things. Pull request I prepared cannot be installed - rather NVDA devs should hopefully merge it into the next release of NVDA, but it speeds up browsing experience without breaking anything (hopefully - it doesn't break anything for me, but more testing might reveal more problems).

On 12/31/18, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Tony,
Could you please tell me the differences between this add-on and the
old called Super Browser?
I downloaded the latter I said but have never tested it.

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-- Em 31/12/2018 22:14, Tony Malykh escreveu:
I have created a pull request that speeds up browse mode. Now I hope
NVDA devs will be kind enough to accept it:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/9114

Basically it creates a new mode in NVDA that can be toggled on and
off by pressing NVDA+8 (remember to uninstall my SuperBrowser add-on
that overrides the same keystroke). In this mode system focus doesn't
follow browse mode and the entire browsing experience is much
smoother on my computer. Edit boxes don't steal your focus without
your permission either.

--Tony


On 12/29/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
If they approve, can you put this on the central repo for the add ons?
This seems very useful.

Take care

On 28 Dec 2018, at 21:57, David Goldfield wrote:

Tony,

I meant to thank you for this addon. As you say it does seem to
improve responsiveness while accessing the Web and so I'm very
grateful that you took the time to write and release this.

Thank you for your service.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
On 12/25/2018 2:47 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:

I just wrote a tiny add-on that prevents NVDA from sending focus
events to the browser.
Binary:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fg
ithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2Freleases%2Fdownload%2Fv0.
1dev%2Fsuperbrowser-0.1dev.nvda-addon&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617
091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C
0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=eTebXXud1KO6xO2fZbS5GsH%2BOfft7%2B
2s94W7ItAVCQQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
Source and description:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fg
ithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C31
54617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7
C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=mrmdXsR7tcB76B%2BRMmiDNu3wIqz
O05CGCc7X3jNQfas%3D&amp;reserved=0
Press NVDA+8 to turn focus sending to browsers on and off.
It's not a production-ready add-on, as it introduces a lot of side
effects when not sending focus events. However, it'll give you an
idea how much faster and more responsive your browsing experience
might become without these focus events being sent back and forth.


On 12/21/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com><mailto:gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:


Are you sure you have automatic switching off in NVDA? I never
have browse mode turn off when I have the automatic switching
feature off. I have repeatedly said that automatic switching
should not be on by default.
It is
not a setting that people should have on unless they know about it
and understand exactly how it works.

And to confuse unknowledgeable and learning users more, it
automatically switches modes when you move in some ways and it
doesn't switch when you move in other ways. People learning how to
use the internet should not have this feature confusing them and
making it harder to learn.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


I must also add that edit boxes sporadically entering forms mode is
a very big problem for me. At work I have to use a website that
contains an edit box that somehow always enters forms mode and once
this happens, the web site opens a popup dialog somewhere in the
end of the page and brings the focus there. So there is no easy way
to go past that edit box and the entire website becomes unusable. I
know, this is probably not a very screenreader-friendly website,
but Jaws manages to work fine with it somehow. I would say that
this problem is one of the major disadvantages of NVDA compared to Jaws.

On 12/21/18, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io
<anton.malykh=gmail.com@groups.io><mailto:anton.malykh=gmail.com@gr
oups.io>
wrote:


Hi Felix,
I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band
browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit
boxes automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to.
It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems
like a complicated issue to fix.
1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor
moves system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term.
We already have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to
NVDA+6 - so it seems to be just a question of adding another switch
like this. I have to say that most of the web sites work fine for
me with current NVDA behavior, and for those websites that don't
work very well, this new switch might come very handy.
2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not
update system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update
it when they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus?

Best
Tony


On 12/21/18, Felix G.
<constantlyvariable@gmail.com><mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
wrote:


Just found a ticket on this problem:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fg
ithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F2039&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3
154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%
7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=%2BjIsiaGma9V0Ym0juy2COLOD1v
1Dq9HThNIY3tzkOpE%3D&amp;reserved=0
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io><mailto:constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io>:



Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse
mode cursor through a page without triggering events in the
browser. It would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve
changing a position in an internal textual representation fully
managed by NVDA in its own process space. When hitting enter or the
space bar to interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore
not slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept
defined as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input.
It's hard to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as
it's a very technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene
<gsasner@gmail.com><mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>:



I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the
technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed. Are
you talking about being able to move through a web page and have
browse mode just show you the page, as though you had copied it
into something like Notepad? In that case, you would move, but
nothing would ever be triggered on the page as you move. But you
seem to be discussing this related to a feature that allows a
person to see where the blind person is on the page. If so, why
are you assuming they are related? Isn't there already a setting
to turn off this feature, used by sighted instructors or others
working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA
review doesn't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you
need
to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not
everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk<mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>, putting
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G."
<constantlyvariable@gmail.com><mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus




Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we
are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io><mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:



Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at
the
NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change
or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm
not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
Cheers,
Marcio
________________________________
Where to find me:
My Yahoo! email
Add me on Skype
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________________________________
Phone(s):
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________________________________
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________________________________
Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing
experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements.
With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse
mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back
a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the
user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is
simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also
seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow
keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix

























































Re: Browse mode and focus

Tony Malykh
 

This is not an andd-on, this is rather a pull request - a patch for
NVDA. It does very similar things but in a much cleaner way.
SuperBrowser add-on was experimental, since it broke many things. Pull
request I prepared cannot be installed - rather NVDA devs should
hopefully merge it into the next release of NVDA, but it speeds up
browsing experience without breaking anything (hopefully - it doesn't
break anything for me, but more testing might reveal more problems).

On 12/31/18, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Tony,
Could you please tell me the differences between this add-on and the old
called Super Browser?
I downloaded the latter I said but have never tested it.

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Em 31/12/2018 22:14, Tony Malykh escreveu:
I have created a pull request that speeds up browse mode. Now I hope
NVDA devs will be kind enough to accept it:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/9114

Basically it creates a new mode in NVDA that can be toggled on and off
by pressing NVDA+8 (remember to uninstall my SuperBrowser add-on that
overrides the same keystroke). In this mode system focus doesn't
follow browse mode and the entire browsing experience is much smoother
on my computer. Edit boxes don't steal your focus without your
permission either.

--Tony


On 12/29/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
If they approve, can you put this on the central repo for the add ons?
This seems very useful.

Take care

On 28 Dec 2018, at 21:57, David Goldfield wrote:

Tony,

I meant to thank you for this addon. As you say it does seem to
improve responsiveness while accessing the Web and so I'm very
grateful that you took the time to write and release this.

Thank you for your service.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
On 12/25/2018 2:47 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:

I just wrote a tiny add-on that prevents NVDA from sending focus
events to the browser.
Binary:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2Freleases%2Fdownload%2Fv0.1dev%2Fsuperbrowser-0.1dev.nvda-addon&;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=eTebXXud1KO6xO2fZbS5GsH%2BOfft7%2B2s94W7ItAVCQQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
Source and description:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2F&;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=mrmdXsR7tcB76B%2BRMmiDNu3wIqzO05CGCc7X3jNQfas%3D&amp;reserved=0
Press NVDA+8 to turn focus sending to browsers on and off.
It's not a production-ready add-on, as it introduces a lot of side
effects when not sending focus events. However, it'll give you an idea
how much faster and more responsive your browsing experience might
become without these focus events being sent back and forth.


On 12/21/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com><mailto:gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:


Are you sure you have automatic switching off in NVDA? I never have
browse
mode turn off when I have the automatic switching feature off. I have
repeatedly said that automatic switching should not be on by default.
It is
not a setting that people should have on unless they know about it and
understand exactly how it works.

And to confuse unknowledgeable and learning users more, it
automatically
switches modes when you move in some ways and it doesn't switch when
you
move in other ways. People learning how to use the internet should
not have
this feature confusing them and making it harder to learn.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


I must also add that edit boxes sporadically entering forms mode is a
very big problem for me. At work I have to use a website that contains
an edit box that somehow always enters forms mode and once this
happens, the web site opens a popup dialog somewhere in the end of the
page and brings the focus there. So there is no easy way to go past
that edit box and the entire website becomes unusable. I know, this is
probably not a very screenreader-friendly website, but Jaws manages to
work fine with it somehow. I would say that this problem is one of the
major disadvantages of NVDA compared to Jaws.

On 12/21/18, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io
<anton.malykh=gmail.com@groups.io><mailto:anton.malykh=gmail.com@groups.io>
wrote:


Hi Felix,
I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band
browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit boxes
automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to.
It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems
like a complicated issue to fix.
1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor moves
system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term. We already
have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to NVDA+6 - so it
seems to be just a question of adding another switch like this. I have
to say that most of the web sites work fine for me with current NVDA
behavior, and for those websites that don't work very well, this new
switch might come very handy.
2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not update
system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update it when
they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus?

Best
Tony


On 12/21/18, Felix G.
<constantlyvariable@gmail.com><mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
wrote:


Just found a ticket on this problem:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F2039&;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=%2BjIsiaGma9V0Ym0juy2COLOD1v1Dq9HThNIY3tzkOpE%3D&amp;reserved=0
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io><mailto:constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io>:



Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode
cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It
would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a
position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA
in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to
interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not
slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined
as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard
to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very
technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene
<gsasner@gmail.com><mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>:



I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the
technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed. Are
you
talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse
mode
just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something
like
Notepad? In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be
triggered on the page as you move. But you seem to be discussing
this
related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind
person
is on the page. If so, why are you assuming they are related? Isn't
there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted
instructors or others working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA
review doesn't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you
need
to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not
everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk<mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk<mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>, putting
'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G."
<constantlyvariable@gmail.com><mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus




Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we
are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io><mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:



Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at
the
NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change
or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm
not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
Cheers,
Marcio
________________________________
Where to find me:
My Yahoo! email
Add me on Skype
Follow me on Twitter
Follow or add me on Facebook
Ask me something on CuriousCat
________________________________
Phone(s):
(+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ)
________________________________
My WhatsApp
________________________________
Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing
experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements.
With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse
mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back
a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the
user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is
simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also
seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow
keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix

























































Re: Browse mode and focus

 

Hello Tony,
Could you please tell me the differences between this add-on and the old called Super Browser?
I downloaded the latter I said but have never tested it.
Em 31/12/2018 22:14, Tony Malykh escreveu:

I have created a pull request that speeds up browse mode. Now I hope
NVDA devs will be kind enough to accept it:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/9114

Basically it creates a new mode in NVDA that can be toggled on and off
by pressing NVDA+8 (remember to uninstall my SuperBrowser add-on that
overrides the same keystroke). In this mode system focus doesn't
follow browse mode and the entire browsing experience is much smoother
on my computer. Edit boxes don't steal your focus without your
permission either.

--Tony


On 12/29/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
If they approve, can you put this on the central repo for the add ons?
This seems very useful.

Take care

On 28 Dec 2018, at 21:57, David Goldfield wrote:

Tony,

I meant to thank you for this addon. As you say it does seem to
improve responsiveness while accessing the Web and so I'm very
grateful that you took the time to write and release this.

Thank you for your service.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
On 12/25/2018 2:47 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:

I just wrote a tiny add-on that prevents NVDA from sending focus
events to the browser.
Binary:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2Freleases%2Fdownload%2Fv0.1dev%2Fsuperbrowser-0.1dev.nvda-addon&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=eTebXXud1KO6xO2fZbS5GsH%2BOfft7%2B2s94W7ItAVCQQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
Source and description:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=mrmdXsR7tcB76B%2BRMmiDNu3wIqzO05CGCc7X3jNQfas%3D&amp;reserved=0
Press NVDA+8 to turn focus sending to browsers on and off.
It's not a production-ready add-on, as it introduces a lot of side
effects when not sending focus events. However, it'll give you an idea
how much faster and more responsive your browsing experience  might
become without these focus events being sent back and forth.


On 12/21/18, Gene <gsasner@...><mailto:gsasner@...> wrote:


Are you sure you have automatic switching off in NVDA?  I never have
browse
mode turn off when I have the automatic switching feature off.  I have
repeatedly said that automatic switching should not be on by default.
It is
not a setting that people should have on unless they know about it and
understand exactly how it works.

And to confuse unknowledgeable and learning users more, it
automatically
switches modes when you move in some ways and it doesn't switch when
you
move in other ways.  People learning how to use the internet should
not have
this feature confusing them and making it harder to learn.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


I must also add that edit boxes sporadically entering forms mode is a
very big problem for me. At work I have to use a website that contains
an edit box that somehow always enters forms mode and once this
happens, the web site opens a popup dialog somewhere in the end of the
page and brings the focus there. So there is no easy way to go past
that edit box and the entire website becomes unusable. I know, this is
probably not a very screenreader-friendly website, but Jaws manages to
work fine with it somehow. I would say that this problem is one of the
major disadvantages of NVDA compared to Jaws.

On 12/21/18, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io
<anton.malykh@...><mailto:anton.malykh@...>
wrote:


Hi Felix,
I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band
browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit boxes
automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to.
It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems
like a complicated issue to fix.
1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor moves
system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term. We already
have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to NVDA+6 - so it
seems to be just a question of adding another switch like this. I have
to say that most of the web sites work fine for me with current NVDA
behavior, and for those websites that don't work very well, this new
switch might come very handy.
2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not update
system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update it when
they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus?

Best
Tony


On 12/21/18, Felix G.
<constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
wrote:


Just found a ticket on this problem:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F2039&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=%2BjIsiaGma9V0Ym0juy2COLOD1v1Dq9HThNIY3tzkOpE%3D&amp;reserved=0
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...>:



Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode
cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It
would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a
position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA
in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to
interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not
slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined
as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard
to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very
technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene
<gsasner@...><mailto:gsasner@...>:



I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the
technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed.  Are
you
talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse
mode
just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something
like
Notepad?  In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be
triggered on the page as you move.  But you seem to be discussing
this
related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind
person
is on the page.  If so, why are you assuming they are related?  Isn't
there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted
instructors or others working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA
review doesn't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you
need
to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not
everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G."
<constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus




Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we
are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21@...><mailto:marcinhorj21@...>:



Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at
the
NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change
or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm
not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
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Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing
experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements.
With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse
mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back
a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the
user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is
simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also
seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow
keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix




























































Re: Browse mode and focus

Tony Malykh
 

I have created a pull request that speeds up browse mode. Now I hope
NVDA devs will be kind enough to accept it:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/9114

Basically it creates a new mode in NVDA that can be toggled on and off
by pressing NVDA+8 (remember to uninstall my SuperBrowser add-on that
overrides the same keystroke). In this mode system focus doesn't
follow browse mode and the entire browsing experience is much smoother
on my computer. Edit boxes don't steal your focus without your
permission either.

--Tony

On 12/29/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
If they approve, can you put this on the central repo for the add ons?
This seems very useful.

Take care

On 28 Dec 2018, at 21:57, David Goldfield wrote:

Tony,

I meant to thank you for this addon. As you say it does seem to
improve responsiveness while accessing the Web and so I'm very
grateful that you took the time to write and release this.

Thank you for your service.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
On 12/25/2018 2:47 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:

I just wrote a tiny add-on that prevents NVDA from sending focus
events to the browser.
Binary:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2Freleases%2Fdownload%2Fv0.1dev%2Fsuperbrowser-0.1dev.nvda-addon&;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=eTebXXud1KO6xO2fZbS5GsH%2BOfft7%2B2s94W7ItAVCQQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
Source and description:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2F&;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=mrmdXsR7tcB76B%2BRMmiDNu3wIqzO05CGCc7X3jNQfas%3D&amp;reserved=0
Press NVDA+8 to turn focus sending to browsers on and off.
It's not a production-ready add-on, as it introduces a lot of side
effects when not sending focus events. However, it'll give you an idea
how much faster and more responsive your browsing experience might
become without these focus events being sent back and forth.


On 12/21/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com><mailto:gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:


Are you sure you have automatic switching off in NVDA? I never have
browse
mode turn off when I have the automatic switching feature off. I have
repeatedly said that automatic switching should not be on by default.
It is
not a setting that people should have on unless they know about it and
understand exactly how it works.

And to confuse unknowledgeable and learning users more, it
automatically
switches modes when you move in some ways and it doesn't switch when
you
move in other ways. People learning how to use the internet should
not have
this feature confusing them and making it harder to learn.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


I must also add that edit boxes sporadically entering forms mode is a
very big problem for me. At work I have to use a website that contains
an edit box that somehow always enters forms mode and once this
happens, the web site opens a popup dialog somewhere in the end of the
page and brings the focus there. So there is no easy way to go past
that edit box and the entire website becomes unusable. I know, this is
probably not a very screenreader-friendly website, but Jaws manages to
work fine with it somehow. I would say that this problem is one of the
major disadvantages of NVDA compared to Jaws.

On 12/21/18, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io
<anton.malykh=gmail.com@groups.io><mailto:anton.malykh=gmail.com@groups.io>
wrote:


Hi Felix,
I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band
browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit boxes
automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to.
It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems
like a complicated issue to fix.
1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor moves
system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term. We already
have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to NVDA+6 - so it
seems to be just a question of adding another switch like this. I have
to say that most of the web sites work fine for me with current NVDA
behavior, and for those websites that don't work very well, this new
switch might come very handy.
2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not update
system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update it when
they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus?

Best
Tony


On 12/21/18, Felix G.
<constantlyvariable@gmail.com><mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
wrote:


Just found a ticket on this problem:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F2039&;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=%2BjIsiaGma9V0Ym0juy2COLOD1v1Dq9HThNIY3tzkOpE%3D&amp;reserved=0
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io><mailto:constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io>:



Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode
cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It
would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a
position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA
in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to
interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not
slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined
as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard
to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very
technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene
<gsasner@gmail.com><mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>:



I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the
technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed. Are
you
talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse
mode
just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something
like
Notepad? In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be
triggered on the page as you move. But you seem to be discussing
this
related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind
person
is on the page. If so, why are you assuming they are related? Isn't
there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted
instructors or others working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA
review doesn't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you
need
to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not
everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G."
<constantlyvariable@gmail.com><mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus




Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we
are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io><mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:



Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at
the
NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change
or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm
not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing
experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements.
With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse
mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back
a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the
user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is
simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also
seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow
keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix






















































Re: DISM and SFC with remote support add-on

 

George,

          Even if the connection were to break down, since both of these utilities will either run to completion (more likely) or abort (less likely) and can run to completion unattended there's not an awful lot to worry about.

           Since they're both command line based, whether kicked off under Command Prompt or PowerShell, once they're going they typically just finish.  I can never recall where each utility, respectively, stores its logs if they even store logs by default.

--

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

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Re: DISM and SFC with remote support add-on

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

I have never had issues but I would also do some reading first just to see if others have reported bugs on microsoft forums and such.

----- Original Message -----
From: "George McCoy" <slr1bpz@charter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 2:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] DISM and SFC with remote support add-on


Has anyone run these utilities on a remote machine using the nvda remote support add-on?

If so, did you encounter any issues?

I am concerned about losing control of the utilities in the event of an interrupted connection or incompatability issues between the remote support add-on and the DISM or SFC utilities.


Thanks,

George



Re: Highbernating windows 10

 

Well I don't think having fast startup on a desktop is a good idea as such unless you need it.

Its also safer to have the system startup properly sometimes it can to lead to interesting things.

On the older box we have one of them, the user always hybernates his box.

If its left in a certain state for to long things don't work well till you restart it.

With units having flash drives you really don't need fast startup at all.

If you needed the system on quickly, quicker than normal, well maybe.

Or if you used a hard drive and such then sure I could see merrit in this.

But There have been situations where I can turn on a system and its in a mangled state till I restart it or hard power it.

Or reformat it because its stuck weirdly.

Its easier if its not going to do that to me.

On 1/1/2019 8:50 AM, Gene wrote:
I would say that if you understand what fast startup does, its alright to have it on. Unless you understand it, you should have it off. Microsoft is getting too cute with this feature. Sleep should be sleep and hibernate should be hibernate. Fast shutdown really isn't a shutdown and calling something it isn't leads to confusion and improper understanding and misleading thinking. Shutdown is shutdown and that should be it. If Microsoft wants to promote sleep, then they should actively do so, but not by creating an almost identical feature and calling it something else to get people to use it and not understand what it is and what it does if not used properly.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 1:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Highbernating windows 10


Yeah and things can screw up at times.

Saying that if you are on the go, you probably want to leave this on.



On 1/1/2019 3:58 AM, Richard Wells wrote:
Fast startup should not be checked, because each time you shut down
your computer, it will only hibernate rather than really shut down.
When you boot your computer again, it will bring back the last state
instead of doing a fresh start. This doesn't apply to restart, only to
shut down.

On 12/30/2018 9:03 PM, Kwork wrote:
Brian, out of curiosity, why do you not recommend fast startup to be
checked?

Travis

On 12/30/2018 5:46 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
One can also enable/disable Hibernate under Power Options, /Choose
what the power button does/ link, activating the /Change settings
that are currently unavailable/ link, then checking/unchecking the
Hibernate checkbox.

While you're in there uncheck the /Turn on Fast Startup
(recommended)/ checkbox.

I turned the presentation of Hibernate in the Power menu back on at
the same time that I turned Fast Startup off.
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Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


If i remember right the last version of nvda to work with nvda for xp and vista was 2017.3


gene nz


On 31/12/2018 8:36 PM, Meet modi wrote:
Hello hi i dear user I have query about nvd new version 2018.3. in Windows 7 Vista this version is not support please give me answer. Because whenever I try to install Nvidia 2018 18.3 it says Windows is not compatible with this version so please help me.

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Date: Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #AddonRelease
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>


then i have a long time to wait like 19 or 20 hour then?


Gene nz


On 31/12/2018 5:35 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

No – it is based on UTC, not midnight local time.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #AddonRelease

 

Hi joseph

 

I guess i will see it before the others then as long as i am still awake if not the smart speaker is set to let me know.

 

Gene nz

 

On 31/12/2018 4:01 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

Happy New Year (or New Year’s Eve depending on where you are).

 

Sometime in 2019 (few seconds after midnight UTC on January 1, 2019 to be exact), Add-on Updater 19.01.1 will make its appearance on any computer running NVDA with this add-on installed. Although this is a point release, it is a major release that resolves more compatibility issues with Python 3 and simplifies certain portions of this add-on source code. You will also find a surprise inside (shhh, you’ll see it after upgrading to that version).

 

Cheers,

Joseph

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DISM and SFC with remote support add-on

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

Has anyone run these utilities on a remote machine using the nvda remote support add-on?

If so, did you encounter any issues?

I am concerned about losing control of the utilities in the event of an interrupted connection or incompatability issues between the remote support add-on and the DISM or SFC utilities.


Thanks,

George


Re: Highbernating windows 10

David Moore
 

Yes!

I keep my computers asleep by shutting the lid for three or four days.

Then, I just do a restart!

I have done that for years, and never had a problem.

Actually, when I used to shut my computers off a lot, I had more problems, and the hard drive did not last as long!

David Moore

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Highbernating windows 10

 

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 02:40 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Saying that if you are on the go, you probably want to leave this [Fast Startup] on.

I disagree.  When I'm "on the go" if it will be hours and hours before I fire up again I use Hibernate.  If it will be within an hour or two I use Sleep, which wakes much faster than Fast Startup does.

It's amazing how little power is consumed these days by the Sleep state.
 
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Re: mariana islands

 

Shaun,

             I believe that the packs are just that - packs.  It's an all or nothing deal.

             That being said, I have never tried removing "part of a pack" either.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

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Re: Installing Windows 10

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.
Before I reinstalled windows 10 I was running an unstable insider build and wanted to go back to a stable version of Windows.
I downloaded the media creation tool, intending to create an installation media on my flash drive. However, I was given the option to upgrade the pc to the stable version, When I did that, it replaced the insider build with build 17763. I never had to use the flash drive apparently. Make sure you back up your files before you reinstall, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing Windows 10

To be honest I'd never partition the system drive with 10 on it.

In fact the first thing I have done is wipe the system drive and install
10 on it.

Win10 eventually decided that my boot partition was full.

There were several small and big partitions made for system and swap, a recovery partition and a diagnostics and something else.

The cons of all this is that by just flat cleaning the entire structure you won't be able to access certain bios recovery features.

On the other side we can't access them so its not a big loss and you can run the diagnostics of that at least on windows yourself after a fashion.

If in doubt though I'd make a bios recovery in case you screwed things up or something during a reflash.

If you happen to be in the middle of a lightning strike zone well you are done.

If you must partition anything, I'd partition the secondary drive, since bar a few things windows will not load itself on to that drive at all.



On 12/31/2018 8:45 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think the issue is actually invoking it from the drive.
I think I'd tend to do what I did when I had a brief encounter with
10, assuming masochistic tendencies of having an operating system that
is new every 6 months, just burn a dvd, lots of cheap plug in drives
around.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "molly the blind tech lover"
<brainardmolly@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing Windows 10


Hi.

You could also download the windows media creation tool and create the
windows installation media on a flash drive.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeffrey
McFarland
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 10:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing Windows 10



What type of PC do you have? Different motherboards have different BIOS



On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 9:37 AM farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@gmail.com
<mailto:fahim.net.2014@gmail.com> wrote:

I want to install Windows 10 in desktop. I have selected pendrive in
boot priority of bios. But, when I'm turning on computer it is booting
through harddisk and turning on as usual. How to boot by pendrive? I
used Rufus to create bootable pendrive and burn iso file.