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Re: NVDA works slowly in excel 2016

Adriani Botez
 

Hello,

do you have any addins installed in MS Office? Please check in Options / security Center or Options / addins. Especially com addins are causing Performance issues.
Do you have many comment in the spreasheet? This still causes Problems in Office 365 with NVDA. But I think there is already a pull request to improve this.

Best
Adriani


Am Mi., 30. Jan. 2019 um 13:06 Uhr schrieb Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...>:

Hello!

It is not needed to have nothing of that...

My spreadsheet do not have nothing of that and it is also slow...

Here it is the relevant part of the log file, obtained after restarting
without addons...

The voice have a delay of more than 1 second...
Microsoft Excel of Office 365...

NVDA version alpha-16639,504da10d
Using Windows version 10.0.17763 workstation

INFO - core.main (11:35:02.371):
Add-ons are disabled. Restart NVDA to enable them.

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (11:35:04.750):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:35:04.750):
Cancelling

IO - speech.speak (11:35:28.401):
Speaking [u'Vocalizer-nvda.xls  -  Modo de Compatibilidade - Excel']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:28.401):
Begin processing speech
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.NVDAObject._get_placeholder (11:35:28.411):
Potential unimplemented child class:
<NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible object at 0x04ED5C10>
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:28.440):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 7802 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:35:28.450):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:28.450):
Calling idle on audio player
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.window.excel.ExcelBase._getDropdown
(11:35:28.490):
Could not locate dropdown list in previous objects
IO - speech.speak (11:35:28.510):
Speaking [u'Licen\xe7as  tabela']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:35:30.500):
Cancelling
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:30.510):
Queue empty, done processing
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.510):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8731 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.510):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8732 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.510):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8733 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.519):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8734 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.522):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8735 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.522):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8736 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.522):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8737 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.522):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8738 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.522):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8739 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.522):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8740 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:35:33.536):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:35:33.552):
Cancelling
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (11:35:33.582):
C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\keyboardHandler.py:524:
DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated
IO - speech.speak (11:35:34.716):
Speaking [u'25/12/2018  B3394  3393']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:34.732):
Begin processing speech
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.NVDAObject._get_placeholder (11:35:34.732):
Potential unimplemented child class: <NVDAObjects.window.excel.ExcelCell
object at 0x0383BF90>
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:34.732):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 9404 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:34.732):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 9406 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:34.732):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 9733 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:35:34.931):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:34.931):
Calling idle on audio player
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:35:36.569):
Input: kb(desktop):rightArrow
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:35:36.598):
Cancelling
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:36.608):
Queue empty, done processing
IO - speech.speak (11:35:37.799):
Speaking [u'Jan Hancharov  C3394  Nome']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:37.822):
Begin processing speech
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.NVDAObject._get_placeholder (11:35:37.822):
Potential unimplemented child class: <NVDAObjects.window.excel.ExcelCell
object at 0x04F2FE30>
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:37.822):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 10070 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:37.822):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 10072 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:37.822):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 10400 and
childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:35:37.888):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:37.888):
Calling idle on audio player
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:40.515):
Queue empty, done processing
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:35:44.996):
Input: kb(desktop):rightArrow
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:35:45.012):
Cancelling
IO - speech.speak (11:35:46.158):
Speaking [u'Online  D3394  Dealer']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:46.174):




Às 06:29 de 30/01/2019, Dang Manh Cuong escreveu:
> Hi Quentin
> Yes the file I work has some cells contains dropdown, and I send you the
> log of NVDA from my laptop:
> INFO - __main__ (13:24:22.020):
> Starting NVDA
> INFO - core.main (13:24:22.223):
> Config dir: C:\Users\Administrator.DOYR0UO74O699VE\AppData\Roaming\nvda
> INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (13:24:22.223):
> Loading config:
> C:\Users\Administrator.DOYR0UO74O699VE\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
> INFO - core.main (13:24:22.519):
> NVDA version 2018.4.1
> INFO - core.main (13:24:22.519):
> Using Windows version 10.0.17763 workstation
> INFO - core.main (13:24:22.525):
> Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17)
> [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
> INFO - core.main (13:24:22.525):
> Using comtypes version 1.1.3
> INFO - core.main (13:24:22.525):
> Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
> INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (13:24:23.091):
> Loaded synthDriver oneCore
> INFO - core.main (13:24:23.091):
> Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
> INFO - brailleInput.initialize (13:24:23.091):
> Braille input initialized
> INFO - braille.initialize (13:24:23.091):
> Using liblouis version 3.7.0
> INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (13:24:23.091):
> Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
> INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (13:24:23.361):
> UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
> INFO - core.main (13:24:23.941):
> NVDA initialized
> Cuong
> ----------------
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>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@...>
>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, January 30, 2019 12:42 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA works slowly in excel 2016
>
>     I wonder if it is related to this issue:
>     https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7348
>
>     Essentially if you have elements like comments or drop-downs in your
>     sheet it currently causes a slowdown with NVDA in Excel.  Often you
>     may see the focus move immediately but have a delay before NVDA
>     starts speaking as mentioned.
>
>     If it looks different to that issue, if you could send me a log,
>     particularly at Debug level, I can have a look and see if we can see
>     anything new in there.
>
>     Kind regards
>
>     Quentin.
>
>     On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 4:07 PM Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...
>     <mailto:michaelrbms@...>> wrote:
>
>         Hi, regard to your question about the latency in Excel with NVDA
>         running 18.4.
>         I has happen to face the same issue with it using the same built
>         of screen reader and operating system. This is not an issue that
>         you created. this issue is more on the Microsoft's side.
>         I will email Quentin and hear his input .relate to this regard.
>         Thanks
>         Best regards
>         michael Munn
>
>         Michael Munn
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>
>
>
>
>         On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 11:29 PM Dang Manh Cuong
>         <dangmanhcuong@... <mailto:dangmanhcuong@...>> wrote:
>
>             __
>             Hi to all
>             Using Windows 10 1809 64 bit, NVDA 2018.4.1, and it works
>             slowly in Excel 2016. For example, focus stand at cell A5,
>             then I press right arrow to navigate to B5. I saw the cursor
>             moved to b5 immediately, but I must wait for about a second
>             to have NVDA read it. In Excel options, I just turn off
>             something like show mini toolbar on selection, enable live
>             preview.
>             My workbook just has 1 sheed with about 100 rows, and 7
>             columns, and auto filter is turn on for easily look up data.
>             I can create an issue on git hub for this, but I'm not sure
>             that is error from NVDA or I did something that I shouldn't
>             so I ask here before deciding
>             Any help would be appreciated.
>             Cuong
>             ----------------
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>             HCM, Vietnam.
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>
>
>
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>
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>




Re: NVDA works slowly in excel 2016

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

It is not needed to have nothing of that...

My spreadsheet do not have nothing of that and it is also slow...

Here it is the relevant part of the log file, obtained after restarting without addons...

The voice have a delay of more than 1 second...
Microsoft Excel of Office 365...

NVDA version alpha-16639,504da10d
Using Windows version 10.0.17763 workstation

INFO - core.main (11:35:02.371):
Add-ons are disabled. Restart NVDA to enable them.

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (11:35:04.750):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:35:04.750):
Cancelling

IO - speech.speak (11:35:28.401):
Speaking [u'Vocalizer-nvda.xls - Modo de Compatibilidade - Excel']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:28.401):
Begin processing speech
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.NVDAObject._get_placeholder (11:35:28.411):
Potential unimplemented child class: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible object at 0x04ED5C10>
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:28.440):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 7802 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:35:28.450):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:28.450):
Calling idle on audio player
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.window.excel.ExcelBase._getDropdown (11:35:28.490):
Could not locate dropdown list in previous objects
IO - speech.speak (11:35:28.510):
Speaking [u'Licen\xe7as tabela']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:35:30.500):
Cancelling
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:30.510):
Queue empty, done processing
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.510):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8731 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.510):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8732 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.510):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8733 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.519):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8734 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.522):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8735 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.522):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8736 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.522):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8737 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.522):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8738 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.522):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8739 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:30.522):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 8740 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:35:33.536):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:35:33.552):
Cancelling
DEBUGWARNING - Python warning (11:35:33.582):
C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\library.zip\keyboardHandler.py:524: DeprecationWarning: Yield() is deprecated
IO - speech.speak (11:35:34.716):
Speaking [u'25/12/2018 B3394 3393']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:34.732):
Begin processing speech
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.NVDAObject._get_placeholder (11:35:34.732):
Potential unimplemented child class: <NVDAObjects.window.excel.ExcelCell object at 0x0383BF90>
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:34.732):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 9404 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:34.732):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 9406 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:34.732):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 9733 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:35:34.931):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:34.931):
Calling idle on audio player
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:35:36.569):
Input: kb(desktop):rightArrow
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:35:36.598):
Cancelling
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:36.608):
Queue empty, done processing
IO - speech.speak (11:35:37.799):
Speaking [u'Jan Hancharov C3394 Nome']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:37.822):
Begin processing speech
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.NVDAObject._get_placeholder (11:35:37.822):
Potential unimplemented child class: <NVDAObjects.window.excel.ExcelCell object at 0x04F2FE30>
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:37.822):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 10070 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:37.822):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 10072 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (11:35:37.822):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 67496, objectID 10400 and childID 0: [Error -2147467259] Erro não especificado
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._callback (11:35:37.888):
Done pushing audio
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:37.888):
Calling idle on audio player
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:40.515):
Queue empty, done processing
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:35:44.996):
Input: kb(desktop):rightArrow
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver.cancel (11:35:45.012):
Cancelling
IO - speech.speak (11:35:46.158):
Speaking [u'Online D3394 Dealer']
DEBUG - synthDrivers.oneCore.SynthDriver._processQueue (11:35:46.174):




Às 06:29 de 30/01/2019, Dang Manh Cuong escreveu:

Hi Quentin
Yes the file I work has some cells contains dropdown, and I send you the log of NVDA from my laptop:
INFO - __main__ (13:24:22.020):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (13:24:22.223):
Config dir: C:\Users\Administrator.DOYR0UO74O699VE\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (13:24:22.223):
Loading config: C:\Users\Administrator.DOYR0UO74O699VE\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (13:24:22.519):
NVDA version 2018.4.1
INFO - core.main (13:24:22.519):
Using Windows version 10.0.17763 workstation
INFO - core.main (13:24:22.525):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (13:24:22.525):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (13:24:22.525):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (13:24:23.091):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (13:24:23.091):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (13:24:23.091):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (13:24:23.091):
Using liblouis version 3.7.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (13:24:23.091):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (13:24:23.361):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - core.main (13:24:23.941):
NVDA initialized
Cuong
----------------
Dang Manh Cuong
 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
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 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
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----- Original Message -----
*From:* Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@nvaccess.org>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 30, 2019 12:42 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA works slowly in excel 2016
I wonder if it is related to this issue:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7348
Essentially if you have elements like comments or drop-downs in your
sheet it currently causes a slowdown with NVDA in Excel.  Often you
may see the focus move immediately but have a delay before NVDA
starts speaking as mentioned.
If it looks different to that issue, if you could send me a log,
particularly at Debug level, I can have a look and see if we can see
anything new in there.
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 4:07 PM Michael Munn <michaelrbms@gmail.com
<mailto:michaelrbms@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi, regard to your question about the latency in Excel with NVDA
running 18.4.
I has happen to face the same issue with it using the same built
of screen reader and operating system. This is not an issue that
you created. this issue is more on the Microsoft's side.
I will email Quentin and hear his input .relate to this regard.
Thanks
Best regards
michael Munn
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 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia www.nfbv.org
<http://www.nfbv.org>
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On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 11:29 PM Dang Manh Cuong
<dangmanhcuong@gmail.com <mailto:dangmanhcuong@gmail.com>> wrote:
__
Hi to all
Using Windows 10 1809 64 bit, NVDA 2018.4.1, and it works
slowly in Excel 2016. For example, focus stand at cell A5,
then I press right arrow to navigate to B5. I saw the cursor
moved to b5 immediately, but I must wait for about a second
to have NVDA read it. In Excel options, I just turn off
something like show mini toolbar on selection, enable live
preview.
My workbook just has 1 sheed with about 100 rows, and 7
columns, and auto filter is turn on for easily look up data.
I can create an issue on git hub for this, but I'm not sure
that is error from NVDA or I did something that I shouldn't
so I ask here before deciding
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong
----------------
Dang Manh Cuong
 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist.,
HCM, Vietnam.
 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
 E-mail: info@saomaicenter.org
<mailto:info@saomaicenter.org>; tech@saomaicenter.org
<mailto:tech@saomaicenter.org>
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Thunderbird Distribution list question

Lisa P Geibel
 

Hi,

I'm sorry if this is off topic, but I am using NVDA and Thunderbird is a Mozilla product, so I thought it might be OK as I knew nowhere else to ask. I'm trying to create a distribution list in the latest version of Thunderbird and am using the latest version of NVDA on a Windows 10 desk top computer. After I get 3 entries in, it will allow me to put no more in. Is there a way to get around this? Thanks.

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Re: a possible focus problem in excel 2016

Rui Fontes
 

Thanks by this shortcut!
In the brazilian keyboard also works.
For you it is the ; (semi colon) key.
In the portuguese keyboard is the - (dash) key...

Rui Fontes


Às 10:18 de 30/01/2019, Adriani Botez escreveu:

Hello,
wow why are you doing it this way? It is much too complicated. Try following:
1. Place the Focus on a cell in the column you want to delete
2. Press ctrl+/ (the first key on the left of the right shift key(
3. A Dialog appears where you can choose what you want to delete (column, cell or row)
Best
Adriani
Am Mi., 30. Jan. 2019 um 10:35 Uhr schrieb Alexandre Alves Toco <alexandretoco@gmail.com <mailto:alexandretoco@gmail.com>>:
Hi friends.
I want to delete some columns in na excel spreadsheet. So I am doing
the following:
1. Find the column with the arrow Keys.
2. Press nvda key + numpad minus to rout navigator to focus.
3. Press nvda key + numpad divide to rout the mouse to the navigator.
4. Press numpad slash to click the right mouse button.
5. Choose delete column.
It is deleting the wrong column.
__ __
I also tried only use nvda key + divide to rout the mouse to the
focus since I thought that the current cell should have the focus
and the navigator would be placed in it automatically.
But it didn’t work too.
__ __
__ __
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Re: a possible focus problem in excel 2016

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Hello,

Hmm, find the column you want to delete and hit Alt-h d c

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alexandre Alves Toco
Sent: Mittwoch, 30. Januar 2019 10:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a possible focus problem in excel 2016

 

Hi friends.

I want to delete some columns in na excel spreadsheet. So I am doing the following:

  1. Find the column with the arrow Keys.
  2. Press nvda key + numpad minus to rout navigator to focus.
  3. Press nvda key + numpad divide to rout the mouse to the navigator.
  4. Press numpad slash to click the right mouse button.
  5. Choose delete column.

It is deleting the wrong column.

 

I also tried only use nvda key + divide to rout the mouse to the focus since I thought that the current cell should have the focus and the navigator would be placed in it automatically.

But it didn’t work too.

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 


Re: a possible focus problem in excel 2016

Adriani Botez
 

Hello,

wow why are you doing it this way? It is much too complicated. Try following:
1. Place the Focus on a cell in the column you want to delete
2. Press ctrl+/ (the first key on the left of the right shift key(
3. A Dialog appears where you can choose what you want to delete (column, cell or row)

Best
Adriani



Am Mi., 30. Jan. 2019 um 10:35 Uhr schrieb Alexandre Alves Toco <alexandretoco@...>:

Hi friends.

I want to delete some columns in na excel spreadsheet. So I am doing the following:

  1. Find the column with the arrow Keys.
  2. Press nvda key + numpad minus to rout navigator to focus.
  3. Press nvda key + numpad divide to rout the mouse to the navigator.
  4. Press numpad slash to click the right mouse button.
  5. Choose delete column.

It is deleting the wrong column.

 

I also tried only use nvda key + divide to rout the mouse to the focus since I thought that the current cell should have the focus and the navigator would be placed in it automatically.

But it didn’t work too.

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 


Re: add ons to copy the text on team talk

Rich DeSteno
 

This suggestion does indeed work with TeamTalk.  You must alt-tab to the message window, shift-tab to the history heading, arrow down to the desired message, and then you can use the usual keys to copy text, specifically, home, shift-end, then control c.

On 1/29/2019 7:36 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

It does not works I just thought once you were prompt with private message you could copy instantly the private message
and that is the main problem

On 1/30/2019 3:53 AM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
What happens if you go to the read field where the message is, go with the cursor to the point where the message starts then do a shift+end command?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 29/01/2019 06:34, Robert Mendoza escreveu:
Wondering how you copy a certain text message sent in team talk classic
the reason of asking for this if someone sent me a private message I could not copy the text
Is there a specific add- on would you suggest. Thanks.






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a possible focus problem in excel 2016

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

Hi friends.

I want to delete some columns in na excel spreadsheet. So I am doing the following:

  1. Find the column with the arrow Keys.
  2. Press nvda key + numpad minus to rout navigator to focus.
  3. Press nvda key + numpad divide to rout the mouse to the navigator.
  4. Press numpad slash to click the right mouse button.
  5. Choose delete column.

It is deleting the wrong column.

 

I also tried only use nvda key + divide to rout the mouse to the focus since I thought that the current cell should have the focus and the navigator would be placed in it automatically.

But it didn’t work too.

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 


Re: start and End Markers for Selecting Text

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Exactly how I do it as well, also if its a message that needs to be grabbed screen nave and the old nvda keypad five three times works well.
Brian

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Please address personal E-mail to:-
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in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kwork" <istherelife@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] start and End Markers for Selecting Text


The only time I use the NVDA method is when in object navigation, where
the arrow keys won't let me navigate through, but where there is still
text I want to copy to the clipboard. Otherwise, I generally use the
windows commands, especially whcn concerning large blocks of text.

Travis

On 1/29/2019 7:23 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

HI Group,


I never use the NVDA start/end markers method when in a text or any
editor. I have always checked out the block of text I need to copy
(such as on a web page) counted the number of lines of that text such
as from line 20 to line 74 in a document (which equals 54 lines) held
down the shift key and use the down arrow key and systematically count
1, 2, 3, 10, 20, 30, 54. And then press control + C to copy to
clipboard and paste to wherever.


On 1/29/2019 8:17 AM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
Hi all,

Most of the time when I use NVDA+F9 to set a start marker, and
NVDA+F10 twice to copy the text to the clipboard I don't have any
problems.

I'm trying to select a block of text (a chapter of a book) in a plain
text file which is open in Notepad.

I get the error message, "No start marker set," even though NVDA told
me the start marker had been set when I pressed NVDA+F9.

When I coppied the whole book from Notepad into Word and tried
selecting the chapter in the same manner, no problem whatsoever.

Does anybody know why a Notepad file would lose the start marker
while it does not in Word?

As a related question, is it possible to turn off NVDA announcing how
many characters have been selected when more than 500 have using
SHIFT+down arrow, becuase it's not then possible to listen to the
start of the paragraph to tell whether the next chapter has been
reached ... all I hear then is the number of characters that have
been selected.

Thanks,

Giles
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Re: NVDA works slowly in excel 2016

 


Hi Quentin
Yes the file I work has some cells contains dropdown, and I send you the log of NVDA from my laptop:
 
INFO - __main__ (13:24:22.020):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (13:24:22.223):
Config dir: C:\Users\Administrator.DOYR0UO74O699VE\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (13:24:22.223):
Loading config: C:\Users\Administrator.DOYR0UO74O699VE\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (13:24:22.519):
NVDA version 2018.4.1
INFO - core.main (13:24:22.519):
Using Windows version 10.0.17763 workstation
INFO - core.main (13:24:22.525):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (13:24:22.525):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - core.main (13:24:22.525):
Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (13:24:23.091):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (13:24:23.091):
Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (13:24:23.091):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (13:24:23.091):
Using liblouis version 3.7.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (13:24:23.091):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (13:24:23.361):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6
INFO - core.main (13:24:23.941):
NVDA initialized
 
Cuong
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 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA works slowly in excel 2016

I wonder if it is related to this issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7348

Essentially if you have elements like comments or drop-downs in your sheet it currently causes a slowdown with NVDA in Excel.  Often you may see the focus move immediately but have a delay before NVDA starts speaking as mentioned.

If it looks different to that issue, if you could send me a log, particularly at Debug level, I can have a look and see if we can see anything new in there.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 4:07 PM Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:
Hi, regard to your question about the latency in Excel with NVDA running 18.4. 
I has happen to face the same issue with it using the same built of screen reader and operating system. This is not an issue that you created. this issue is more on the Microsoft's side. 
I will email Quentin and hear his input .relate to this regard. 
Thanks 
Best regards 
michael Munn 

Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind




On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 11:29 PM Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@...> wrote:
Hi to all
Using Windows 10 1809 64 bit, NVDA 2018.4.1, and it works slowly in Excel 2016. For example, focus stand at cell A5, then I press right arrow to navigate to B5. I saw the cursor moved to b5 immediately, but I must wait for about a second to have NVDA read it. In Excel options, I just turn off something like show mini toolbar on selection, enable live preview.
My workbook just has 1 sheed with about 100 rows, and 7 columns, and auto filter is turn on for easily look up data.
I can create an issue on git hub for this, but I'm not sure that is error from NVDA or I did something that I shouldn't so I ask here before deciding
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong
----------------
Dang Manh Cuong
 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
 E-mail: info@...; tech@...
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
 Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org
Mobile / Viber / WhatsApp / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
 E-mail: dangmanhcuong@...; cuong@...
 Skype name: dangmanhcuong
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Re: DreamWeaver 2019

Nimer Jaber
 

For the most part, it is not accessible. It is pretty graphical in nature as a designer tool. Last time I looked, the code editor was somewhat accessible. And that is about all I know.

Thanks


On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 10:29 PM Quentin Christensen <quentin@... wrote:
Hi everyone,

I've had a query from someone about whether DreamWeaver 2019 is accessible.  Has anyone used it and can you confirm whether it works with NVDA, please?

FWIW, I did find a list of general shortcut keys for DreamWeaver, which is hopefully a good start: https://helpx.adobe.com/au/dreamweaver/using/keyboard-shortcuts.html

Kind regards

Quentin.
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Re: DreamWeaver 2019

 

Not sure if it is or not, its hard to test this stuff because everything is under a cloud subscription.

The only things not under subscription are photoshop elements, adobe acrobat dc reader.

Everything else is under a could sub, So maybe someone has payed the load of cash for this and that but I doubt many of us have.



On 30/01/2019 6:28 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I've had a query from someone about whether DreamWeaver 2019 is accessible.  Has anyone used it and can you confirm whether it works with NVDA, please?

FWIW, I did find a list of general shortcut keys for DreamWeaver, which is hopefully a good start: https://helpx.adobe.com/au/dreamweaver/using/keyboard-shortcuts.html

Kind regards

Quentin.
--
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA works slowly in excel 2016

Quentin Christensen
 

I wonder if it is related to this issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7348

Essentially if you have elements like comments or drop-downs in your sheet it currently causes a slowdown with NVDA in Excel.  Often you may see the focus move immediately but have a delay before NVDA starts speaking as mentioned.

If it looks different to that issue, if you could send me a log, particularly at Debug level, I can have a look and see if we can see anything new in there.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 4:07 PM Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:
Hi, regard to your question about the latency in Excel with NVDA running 18.4. 
I has happen to face the same issue with it using the same built of screen reader and operating system. This is not an issue that you created. this issue is more on the Microsoft's side. 
I will email Quentin and hear his input .relate to this regard. 
Thanks 
Best regards 
michael Munn 

Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind




On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 11:29 PM Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@...> wrote:
Hi to all
Using Windows 10 1809 64 bit, NVDA 2018.4.1, and it works slowly in Excel 2016. For example, focus stand at cell A5, then I press right arrow to navigate to B5. I saw the cursor moved to b5 immediately, but I must wait for about a second to have NVDA read it. In Excel options, I just turn off something like show mini toolbar on selection, enable live preview.
My workbook just has 1 sheed with about 100 rows, and 7 columns, and auto filter is turn on for easily look up data.
I can create an issue on git hub for this, but I'm not sure that is error from NVDA or I did something that I shouldn't so I ask here before deciding
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong
----------------
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 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
 E-mail: info@...; tech@...
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
 Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org
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DreamWeaver 2019

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

I've had a query from someone about whether DreamWeaver 2019 is accessible.  Has anyone used it and can you confirm whether it works with NVDA, please?

FWIW, I did find a list of general shortcut keys for DreamWeaver, which is hopefully a good start: https://helpx.adobe.com/au/dreamweaver/using/keyboard-shortcuts.html

Kind regards

Quentin.
--
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA works slowly in excel 2016

Michael Munn
 

Hi, regard to your question about the latency in Excel with NVDA running 18.4. 
I has happen to face the same issue with it using the same built of screen reader and operating system. This is not an issue that you created. this issue is more on the Microsoft's side. 
I will email Quentin and hear his input .relate to this regard. 
Thanks 
Best regards 
michael Munn 

Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind




On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 11:29 PM Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@...> wrote:
Hi to all
Using Windows 10 1809 64 bit, NVDA 2018.4.1, and it works slowly in Excel 2016. For example, focus stand at cell A5, then I press right arrow to navigate to B5. I saw the cursor moved to b5 immediately, but I must wait for about a second to have NVDA read it. In Excel options, I just turn off something like show mini toolbar on selection, enable live preview.
My workbook just has 1 sheed with about 100 rows, and 7 columns, and auto filter is turn on for easily look up data.
I can create an issue on git hub for this, but I'm not sure that is error from NVDA or I did something that I shouldn't so I ask here before deciding
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong
----------------
Dang Manh Cuong
 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
52/22 Huynh Thien Loc St., Hoa Thanh ward, Tan Phu dist., HCM, Vietnam.
 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
 E-mail: info@...; tech@...
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saomaicenterfortheblind
 Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org
Mobile / Viber / WhatsApp / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
 E-mail: dangmanhcuong@...; cuong@...
 Skype name: dangmanhcuong
 facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
 Twitter: @ManhCuongTech
NVDA Certified Expert: https://certification.nvaccess.org/


NVDA works slowly in excel 2016

 

Hi to all
Using Windows 10 1809 64 bit, NVDA 2018.4.1, and it works slowly in Excel 2016. For example, focus stand at cell A5, then I press right arrow to navigate to B5. I saw the cursor moved to b5 immediately, but I must wait for about a second to have NVDA read it. In Excel options, I just turn off something like show mini toolbar on selection, enable live preview.
My workbook just has 1 sheed with about 100 rows, and 7 columns, and auto filter is turn on for easily look up data.
I can create an issue on git hub for this, but I'm not sure that is error from NVDA or I did something that I shouldn't so I ask here before deciding
Any help would be appreciated.
Cuong
----------------
Dang Manh Cuong
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Re: start and End Markers for Selecting Text

Ron Canazzi
 

Ah, I forgot that one: thanks!

On 1/29/2019 12:30 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
NVDA+Shift+UpArrow.

Rui Fontes


Às 16:38 de 29/01/2019, Ron Canazzi escreveu:
Hi Gene,


I might be missing something but if you select text and then press control + C to copy to clipboard, the keystroke to read the clipboard contents is insert + C or NVDA + C.  I don't see a keystroke that allows the reading of selected text before it is copied to clipboard.



NVDA (insert or caps lock)+ C to read text on the clipboard.


On 1/29/2019 9:55 AM, Gene wrote:
As far as I know, there is a command for reading what you have selected before you copy it to the clipboard.  I don’t know what that is.  If I am right, others should know.
Aside from that, why are you using such an inefficient method as wanting to hear all that material.  Start where you want to select.  Hold shift.  Down arrow.  If you stop after you down arrow, you will hear the line you just selected.  If you are selecting a lot of text, move down a lot of lines and see what the last line is.  If you went to far, keep holding shift and up arrow.  use shift up and down to move and hear what you are unselecting or selecting.
If you don’t wantto have an entire line reproduced at the beginning or end of the selection, then copy and past the material, and remove what is not wanted in the document you have pasted to.
Gene
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*From:* Giles Turnbull <mailto:giles.turnbull@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:28 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] start and End Markers for Selecting Text
what do you mean by "the Windows method?"

As mentioned in my question, once you past more than 500 characters (I think that's the threshold) NVDA stops speaking any of the text you're selecting and just tells you how many characters you've selected.

I was trying to select the first 2000 words, approximately, which was the first essay in a book of 12 essays.

Not being able to hear the title meant there was no way to know where I wanted to stop.

That left me two options ... I could find the start of the second chapter by searching for its title, then deleting from there to the end, leaving only the first chapter text, or I could add a marker like zzz, paste the whle document into WOrd, and then use the NVDA+F9 at the first marker and then search for zzz and press NVDA+F10 twice to set the end marker and copy the text.

In hindsight, deleting from the second chapter onwards, copying all and then undoing the deletion would have been the less-faffy way of doing it.

But, to answer your question, that is why I use the NVDA method of selecting text if I have a large amount to copy and paste :)

Giles
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Re: start and End Markers for Selecting Text

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Giles,

Could you perhaps send me a copy of your NVDA log, please?

I wondered if maybe there was an issue with the size of the text, but I just copied the entire WW1 article from Wikipedia, and I can mark a few characters from the start with NVDA+F9, then mark to and select a few characters from the end with NVDA+F10 twice and it works fine.  NVDA reports "Review selection copied to clipboard".

I did it in both Firefox, and also having copied that text to Notepad.  I did discover an issue with reading selected text when it is too long to handle, and documented that in this issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9214

But, selecting even 350,000 characters in Notepad worked fine when I tried it just now using the review cursor in WIndows 10.

Re your related question - it isn't possible to turn off the reporting of the number of characters selected, but as others noted, when selecting text using shift+down arrow, it should read the last line selected.  I wonder does your document have really long lines?  If you have word wrap turned off, and select a line which is over 512 characters long, it will read the number of characters added to the selection rather than the text itself.  The workaround for that would be to turn word wrap on in Notepad.

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 12:17 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
Hi all,

Most of the time when I use NVDA+F9 to set a start marker, and NVDA+F10 twice to copy the text to the clipboard I don't have any problems.

I'm trying to select a block of text (a chapter of a book) in a plain text file which is open in Notepad.

I get the error message, "No start marker set," even though NVDA told me the start marker had been set when I pressed NVDA+F9.

When I coppied the whole book from Notepad into Word and tried selecting the chapter in the same manner, no problem whatsoever.

Does anybody know why a Notepad file would lose the start marker while it does not in Word?

As a related question, is it possible to turn off NVDA announcing how many characters have been selected when more than 500 have using SHIFT+down arrow, becuase it's not then possible to listen to the start of the paragraph to tell whether the next chapter has been reached ... all I hear then is the number of characters that have been selected.

Thanks,

Giles



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Re: My intro

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kliph,

Welcome to the group!  I just replied to your message in the Windows 10 group with some links to training material and resources (Coming from the Mac, the guides for switching from other Windows screen readers won't be quite as useful, and I haven't seen one for Switching from VoiceOver to NVDA).

Re Office, NVDA is arguably quicker than other screen readers to adapt to changes in Windows and Office.  Microsoft have made some good changes in Office 365 / 2019.  (Office 2019 is a single purchase product, like early versions of Office - you buy it and can use it forever, but won't get updated beyond that version of Office.  Office 365 is a subscription, you pay per year or per month, and always have access to the latest updates to Office, as long as your subscription is up to date).

As well as the Basic Training for NVDA, you may be interested in:
and

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 6:36 AM Kliph via Groups.Io <kliphnsharrie.sr=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello, my name is Kliph.  I have been a windows user up until 2011, when I made the switch to MacOS full time.  I use windows on occation to do a few things, and now I have office 2019 witch i need windows 10 for.  So, does NVDA work with office, or am I wasting my time ?  Also, are the commands and keystrokes real different from jaws?  Thanks.


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Re: add ons to copy the text on team talk

Robert Mendoza
 

It does not works I just thought once you were prompt with private message you could copy instantly the private message
and that is the main problem

On 1/30/2019 3:53 AM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
What happens if you go to the read field where the message is, go with the cursor to the point where the message starts then do a shift+end command?

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Em 29/01/2019 06:34, Robert Mendoza escreveu:
Wondering how you copy a certain text message sent in team talk classic
the reason of asking for this if someone sent me a private message I could not copy the text
Is there a specific add- on would you suggest. Thanks.