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Re: start and End Markers for Selecting Text

Ron Canazzi
 

Ah, I forgot that one: thanks!

On 1/29/2019 12:30 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
NVDA+Shift+UpArrow.

Rui Fontes


Às 16:38 de 29/01/2019, Ron Canazzi escreveu:
Hi Gene,


I might be missing something but if you select text and then press control + C to copy to clipboard, the keystroke to read the clipboard contents is insert + C or NVDA + C.  I don't see a keystroke that allows the reading of selected text before it is copied to clipboard.



NVDA (insert or caps lock)+ C to read text on the clipboard.


On 1/29/2019 9:55 AM, Gene wrote:
As far as I know, there is a command for reading what you have selected before you copy it to the clipboard.  I don’t know what that is.  If I am right, others should know.
Aside from that, why are you using such an inefficient method as wanting to hear all that material.  Start where you want to select.  Hold shift.  Down arrow.  If you stop after you down arrow, you will hear the line you just selected.  If you are selecting a lot of text, move down a lot of lines and see what the last line is.  If you went to far, keep holding shift and up arrow.  use shift up and down to move and hear what you are unselecting or selecting.
If you don’t wantto have an entire line reproduced at the beginning or end of the selection, then copy and past the material, and remove what is not wanted in the document you have pasted to.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Giles Turnbull <mailto:giles.turnbull@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:28 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] start and End Markers for Selecting Text
what do you mean by "the Windows method?"

As mentioned in my question, once you past more than 500 characters (I think that's the threshold) NVDA stops speaking any of the text you're selecting and just tells you how many characters you've selected.

I was trying to select the first 2000 words, approximately, which was the first essay in a book of 12 essays.

Not being able to hear the title meant there was no way to know where I wanted to stop.

That left me two options ... I could find the start of the second chapter by searching for its title, then deleting from there to the end, leaving only the first chapter text, or I could add a marker like zzz, paste the whle document into WOrd, and then use the NVDA+F9 at the first marker and then search for zzz and press NVDA+F10 twice to set the end marker and copy the text.

In hindsight, deleting from the second chapter onwards, copying all and then undoing the deletion would have been the less-faffy way of doing it.

But, to answer your question, that is why I use the NVDA method of selecting text if I have a large amount to copy and paste :)

Giles
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Re: start and End Markers for Selecting Text

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Giles,

Could you perhaps send me a copy of your NVDA log, please?

I wondered if maybe there was an issue with the size of the text, but I just copied the entire WW1 article from Wikipedia, and I can mark a few characters from the start with NVDA+F9, then mark to and select a few characters from the end with NVDA+F10 twice and it works fine.  NVDA reports "Review selection copied to clipboard".

I did it in both Firefox, and also having copied that text to Notepad.  I did discover an issue with reading selected text when it is too long to handle, and documented that in this issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9214

But, selecting even 350,000 characters in Notepad worked fine when I tried it just now using the review cursor in WIndows 10.

Re your related question - it isn't possible to turn off the reporting of the number of characters selected, but as others noted, when selecting text using shift+down arrow, it should read the last line selected.  I wonder does your document have really long lines?  If you have word wrap turned off, and select a line which is over 512 characters long, it will read the number of characters added to the selection rather than the text itself.  The workaround for that would be to turn word wrap on in Notepad.

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 12:17 AM Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
Hi all,

Most of the time when I use NVDA+F9 to set a start marker, and NVDA+F10 twice to copy the text to the clipboard I don't have any problems.

I'm trying to select a block of text (a chapter of a book) in a plain text file which is open in Notepad.

I get the error message, "No start marker set," even though NVDA told me the start marker had been set when I pressed NVDA+F9.

When I coppied the whole book from Notepad into Word and tried selecting the chapter in the same manner, no problem whatsoever.

Does anybody know why a Notepad file would lose the start marker while it does not in Word?

As a related question, is it possible to turn off NVDA announcing how many characters have been selected when more than 500 have using SHIFT+down arrow, becuase it's not then possible to listen to the start of the paragraph to tell whether the next chapter has been reached ... all I hear then is the number of characters that have been selected.

Thanks,

Giles



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Re: My intro

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kliph,

Welcome to the group!  I just replied to your message in the Windows 10 group with some links to training material and resources (Coming from the Mac, the guides for switching from other Windows screen readers won't be quite as useful, and I haven't seen one for Switching from VoiceOver to NVDA).

Re Office, NVDA is arguably quicker than other screen readers to adapt to changes in Windows and Office.  Microsoft have made some good changes in Office 365 / 2019.  (Office 2019 is a single purchase product, like early versions of Office - you buy it and can use it forever, but won't get updated beyond that version of Office.  Office 365 is a subscription, you pay per year or per month, and always have access to the latest updates to Office, as long as your subscription is up to date).

As well as the Basic Training for NVDA, you may be interested in:
and

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 6:36 AM Kliph via Groups.Io <kliphnsharrie.sr=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello, my name is Kliph.  I have been a windows user up until 2011, when I made the switch to MacOS full time.  I use windows on occation to do a few things, and now I have office 2019 witch i need windows 10 for.  So, does NVDA work with office, or am I wasting my time ?  Also, are the commands and keystrokes real different from jaws?  Thanks.


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Re: add ons to copy the text on team talk

Robert Mendoza
 

It does not works I just thought once you were prompt with private message you could copy instantly the private message
and that is the main problem

On 1/30/2019 3:53 AM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
What happens if you go to the read field where the message is, go with the cursor to the point where the message starts then do a shift+end command?

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Em 29/01/2019 06:34, Robert Mendoza escreveu:
Wondering how you copy a certain text message sent in team talk classic
the reason of asking for this if someone sent me a private message I could not copy the text
Is there a specific add- on would you suggest. Thanks.







Re: spell check ... how do I see the misspelled word?

Quentin Christensen
 

Office 365 / Office 2019 has some good improvements to spell check in Word, particularly reading the misspelt word in context, and also reading the definitions for suggested words.

In Office 2016, as Cearbhall suggested, the easiest method is to press escape to go back to the document at the error, and read using your regular reading keys.  When done reading and / or editing manually, press F7 to start again at the start of the current sentence.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 2:34 AM Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:
Hi Ann,

As you say, the spell check in Word shows each spelling correction very
clearly. To see the original word, I just press escape and I find that the
offending misspelling is in focus by NVDA. Pressing F7 brings me back into
the spellchecker again and I can accept or reject the change accordingly.

Is that too messy do you think?

It is strange that in Excel the spell checker does show the offending word
as well as the proposed change. ... Hmmm!

All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 1:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] spell check ... how do I see the misspelled word?

In Office 2016, NVDA reads the options for correcting a misspelling clearly
in spell check, but not the word that is misspelled.  How do I read the word
I am supposed to be correcting????

thx,









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Re: Command for continuous reading not working, request for help

Quentin Christensen
 

Glad Gene got you working!

In the Keyboard settings, you can select whether NVDA uses desktop keyboard layout or laptop keyboard layout.  Essentially the difference is that desktop layout assumes you have a number pad, and uses that for object navigation commands.  Laptop layout assumes you don't have a number pad, and uses other keys for object navigation, in the process bumping some other commands as well.

To choose which layout you use, press NVDA+control+k to open the keyboard settings directly, then choose a layout and any other options you wish to change.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 2:05 AM Kakarla Nageswaraiah <nageswara1982@...> wrote:
Hello,
Thanks for the prompt reply, it worked!


On 1/29/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Are you using the laptop keyboard layout?  The command in that layout is
> NVDA key a.
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> Gene
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> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Command for continuous reading not working, request for
> help
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> Dear All,
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> I'm using a laptop with Windows 10 OS but the command for continuous
> reading is not working.  I tried caps lock + down arrow as well as
> insert + down arrow.
> Thanks and regards.
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Re: start and End Markers for Selecting Text

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  when you press nvda+f10 before,
  if your caret is on space not on character the end of line,
  you can press left arrow move caret to the end of character then press nvda+f10 twice to finished copy

thank you for much
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Giles Turnbull 於 2019/1/29 下午 09:17 寫道:

Hi all,

Most of the time when I use NVDA+F9 to set a start marker, and NVDA+F10 twice to copy the text to the clipboard I don't have any problems.

I'm trying to select a block of text (a chapter of a book) in a plain text file which is open in Notepad.

I get the error message, "No start marker set," even though NVDA told me the start marker had been set when I pressed NVDA+F9.

When I coppied the whole book from Notepad into Word and tried selecting the chapter in the same manner, no problem whatsoever.

Does anybody know why a Notepad file would lose the start marker while it does not in Word?

As a related question, is it possible to turn off NVDA announcing how many characters have been selected when more than 500 have using SHIFT+down arrow, becuase it's not then possible to listen to the start of the paragraph to tell whether the next chapter has been reached ... all I hear then is the number of characters that have been selected.

Thanks,

Giles


Re: Accessibility of Spotify for desktop for the blind users

Hope Williamson <ladyhope@...>
 

I just use the website for continuous streaming. For instance I'll search for something and playlists will come up. I've been able to follow playlists and add them to my Library for later streaming, but that's really the only thing I need Spotify for.


Re: Accessibility of Spotify for desktop for the blind users

Sarah k Alawami
 


I beliee ou can actually listen to but not create playlists on the web. Also the last time I used the web player it was a bit crazy.

Take care

On 29 Jan 2019, at 15:51, Gene wrote:

You are talking about the Web site, not the desktop program.  How do you use it?  I wouldn't be surprised if many features are inaccessible using the web interface.  For example, can you create playlists, add to your favorites, and perhaps do other things I don't know about?
 
Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessibility of Spotify for desktop for the blind users

Spotify on the web works fine, at least for me. I used to have the app installed on my phone, but now I just use the web version.



Re: Accessibility of Spotify for desktop for the blind users

Sarah k Alawami
 

Good luck with that. The last time this was tried someone on spotify said to me "call apple care and would not hear anymore. Basically they placed the blame on apple and not their app.

On 29 Jan 2019, at 11:03, Marco Oros wrote:

I am sorry, I would like to collect ideas to make Spotify for Windows accessible and ofcourse, send It to Spotify developers.

Or, You can do something, for example to create some addons? Because some things are not accessible for blind people in Spotify for Windows, but most of those are accessible with NVDA.

Very sorry for this.

Marco



Re: Accessibility of Spotify for desktop for the blind users

Gene
 

You are talking about the Web site, not the desktop program.  How do you use it?  I wouldn't be surprised if many features are inaccessible using the web interface.  For example, can you create playlists, add to your favorites, and perhaps do other things I don't know about?
 
Gene
----- Original message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessibility of Spotify for desktop for the blind users

Spotify on the web works fine, at least for me. I used to have the app installed on my phone, but now I just use the web version.



Re: Accessibility of Spotify for desktop for the blind users

Gene
 

I found this discussion on the Spotify community site from 2017.  I doubt anything has changed.  Blind people have been asking for accessibility for years.  it appears that any accessibility is accidental.  One more petition or questionaire will do nothing.  It will probably take something like a lawsuit or perhaps a campaign on social media.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessibility of Spotify for desktop for the blind users

First, unless things have changed, Spotify hasn't been interested in accessibility, calling it a "feature" many years ago.  I'm not sure if they said this, but they may have said it was up to others to implement accessibility for Spotify.
 
First, I would suggest that before starting this project, find out what the developers think now and ask the community if there have been recent experiences with the developers that indicate whether any of this effort is worth pursuing.  Or it might be advisable to pursue this in a different way, such as through blindness advocacy organizations if Spotify is still uninterested.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Oros
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessibility of Spotify for desktop for the blind users

I am sorry, I would like to collect ideas to make Spotify for Windows
accessible and ofcourse, send It to Spotify developers.

Or, You can do something, for example to create some addons? Because
some things are not accessible for blind people in Spotify for Windows,
but most of those are accessible with NVDA.

Very sorry for this.

Marco




Re: Accessibility of Spotify for desktop for the blind users

Hope Williamson <ladyhope@...>
 

Spotify on the web works fine, at least for me. I used to have the app installed on my phone, but now I just use the web version.


Re: Accessibility of Spotify for desktop for the blind users

Gene
 

First, unless things have changed, Spotify hasn't been interested in accessibility, calling it a "feature" many years ago.  I'm not sure if they said this, but they may have said it was up to others to implement accessibility for Spotify.
 
First, I would suggest that before starting this project, find out what the developers think now and ask the community if there have been recent experiences with the developers that indicate whether any of this effort is worth pursuing.  Or it might be advisable to pursue this in a different way, such as through blindness advocacy organizations if Spotify is still uninterested.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Marco Oros
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessibility of Spotify for desktop for the blind users

I am sorry, I would like to collect ideas to make Spotify for Windows
accessible and ofcourse, send It to Spotify developers.

Or, You can do something, for example to create some addons? Because
some things are not accessible for blind people in Spotify for Windows,
but most of those are accessible with NVDA.

Very sorry for this.

Marco




Re: start and End Markers for Selecting Text

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

If you're using notepad, just use the regular windows select text functions, notepad won't have a problem with that.  You can select as much as you like, I do it all the time.

shift-down arrow selects a line at a time, and there's no limit how much you can select.  There's no need to use screen reader functions for this.


On 1/29/2019 8:17 AM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
Hi all,

Most of the time when I use NVDA+F9 to set a start marker, and NVDA+F10 twice to copy the text to the clipboard I don't have any problems.

I'm trying to select a block of text (a chapter of a book) in a plain text file which is open in Notepad.

I get the error message, "No start marker set," even though NVDA told me the start marker had been set when I pressed NVDA+F9.

When I coppied the whole book from Notepad into Word and tried selecting the chapter in the same manner, no problem whatsoever.

Does anybody know why a Notepad file would lose the start marker while it does not in Word?

As a related question, is it possible to turn off NVDA announcing how many characters have been selected when more than 500 have using SHIFT+down arrow, becuase it's not then possible to listen to the start of the paragraph to tell whether the next chapter has been reached ... all I hear then is the number of characters that have been selected.

Thanks,

Giles

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Re: My intro

Michael Munn
 

Some command in NVDA are difference.. 
here is the reference guide for the NVDA screen reader: 
Hope you are benefit from this web page. 
Thanks 
Best regards 
Michael Munn 


Re: Accessibility of Spotify for desktop for the blind users

Michael Munn
 

I'm a duel screen reader user. 
I use both NvDA and Jaws. 
I personally think that NVDA need at  least one music ad on. 
We have add on for almost everything but music player. . 
This is just my opinion. 
Thanks 
Best regards 
Michael Munn 


Re: Accessibility of Spotify for desktop for the blind users

 

Hi.
I, personally, don't use Spotify.
But I've forwarded your message. Hope this helps somehow.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 29/01/2019 08:32, Marco Oros escreveu:

Formuláre Google

Hi people!
Please, can You fill out this form. Do You know, some features are accessible in Spotify for Windows with NVDA, but some are not. Also, could You send this form to another blind users?
Thank You.
Marco Oros

Accessibility of Spotify for desktop for the blind users
Some features of Spotify for windows are accessible for blind users, but some are not accessible.
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Re: add ons to copy the text on team talk

 

What happens if you go to the read field where the message is, go with the cursor to the point where the message starts then do a shift+end command?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 29/01/2019 06:34, Robert Mendoza escreveu:

Wondering how you copy a certain text message sent in team talk classic
the reason of asking for this if someone sent me a private message I could not copy the text
Is there a specific add- on would you suggest. Thanks.







Re: My intro

Gene
 

NVDA works with Office.  It may be more limited than JAWS in terms of available features in Office, but it can do a reasonable amount. 
 
A lot of what you do with any screen-reader is the same or similar.  You are using Windows or program commands.  In terms of screen review commands and how you change settings such as speech rate, the commands are different.  Many commands, read title bar, announce time, and all the browse commands, b for move to the next button on a web page, x for next check box, h for heading, n for skip blocks of links are the same.  I am not aware of any commands that are different, though there may be this or that command that is when working with browse mode.
 
Gene

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Subject: [nvda] My intro
 
Hello, my name is Kliph.  I have been a windows user up until 2011, when I made the switch to MacOS full time.  I use windows on occation to do a few things, and now I have office 2019 witch i need windows 10 for.  So, does NVDA work with office, or am I wasting my time ?  Also, are the commands and keystrokes real different from jaws?  Thanks.
 

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