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Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Ervin, Glenn
 

The one from Brian Smart has both the basic and the mega, the basic I believe is 32 bit.

If you download the one from the “files” page that I am unable to access from work, they have both 32 and 64 bit for 7 & 10.

Brian Smart’s version is running Eloquence, and the Files page runs eSpeak.

There are partitioning tools, password tools, and more.

The one from Brian Smart includes the mega and the basic and some installation software for the ISO images, maybe 3 or 4 GB there, and the Files page has all versions individually available, and probably a bit over a gig each.  Those are set up with executable installers.

I opened the .EXE archive and copied out the ISO image, because I burn them to USB and use a different tool for that.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I don't know anything about the tools.  But do you have to be running the environment to run the tools or can you run them on your machine without the environment running?  I have no idea what the tools are or if the person will find them of use, but the question was whether the environment can be used to install XP.  How long does it take to download the environment with a reasonable download speed and learn what is necessary to try running it?  I see no reason to believe this is a 32 bit environment since it is used to install 64 bit Windows 7. 

 

I have no objection to people learning about the tools.  If you explain something about them, some people may be interested and want to try them.  But I very much doubt the environment can be used as the person wishes.  I don't even think it will run at all.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:45 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

Gene,

You have apparently never used WinPE.

It is not a waste of time to become familiar with WinPE.

That ISO comes with tools that can be used on XP, and heck, you can get on-line with it.

If it is on a USB drive, instead of a DVD, you can install programs to it.

So it almost a full version of Windows 7.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

But the person is already using XP.  she wants to learn how to use the environment to install XP. 

 

People are free to waste time however they choose but this environment will not allow you to install Windows XP and it is probably a 64 bit environment.  Before downloading it and learning whatever you need to learn to even try to run it, such things should be considered to avoid a waste of time and effort.

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It would not hurt to try, you would know immediately if it won’t work.

I wouldn’t get on-line with XP, but sometimes you need XP for other things, like Microsoft Mobility center, or whatever it was called in XP.

If you have a legacy device, like a Trekker on a PDA, you cannot reinstall the firmware in the Microsoft Mobility Center because it won’t let you.

And if someone is happy with XP and is not getting on-line, that is a valid reason for using it.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It won't work.  How can you install XP in a Win7 environment?  Windows XP is archaic.  You can do what you can do with it.  You will be able to do increasingly less over time.

 

And you would very likely have to run a Windows 7 32 bit environment because the machine being used is very likely a 32 bit machine. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> I would just use a talking WinPE.
> WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
> That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
> Glenn
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
> Leepaisomboon
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?
>
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
> If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
> install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
> last phase of the Windows 7 setup?
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Gene
 

I don't know anything about the tools.  But do you have to be running the environment to run the tools or can you run them on your machine without the environment running?  I have no idea what the tools are or if the person will find them of use, but the question was whether the environment can be used to install XP.  How long does it take to download the environment with a reasonable download speed and learn what is necessary to try running it?  I see no reason to believe this is a 32 bit environment since it is used to install 64 bit Windows 7. 
 
I have no objection to people learning about the tools.  If you explain something about them, some people may be interested and want to try them.  But I very much doubt the environment can be used as the person wishes.  I don't even think it will run at all.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Gene,

You have apparently never used WinPE.

It is not a waste of time to become familiar with WinPE.

That ISO comes with tools that can be used on XP, and heck, you can get on-line with it.

If it is on a USB drive, instead of a DVD, you can install programs to it.

So it almost a full version of Windows 7.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

But the person is already using XP.  she wants to learn how to use the environment to install XP. 

 

People are free to waste time however they choose but this environment will not allow you to install Windows XP and it is probably a 64 bit environment.  Before downloading it and learning whatever you need to learn to even try to run it, such things should be considered to avoid a waste of time and effort.

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It would not hurt to try, you would know immediately if it won’t work.

I wouldn’t get on-line with XP, but sometimes you need XP for other things, like Microsoft Mobility center, or whatever it was called in XP.

If you have a legacy device, like a Trekker on a PDA, you cannot reinstall the firmware in the Microsoft Mobility Center because it won’t let you.

And if someone is happy with XP and is not getting on-line, that is a valid reason for using it.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It won't work.  How can you install XP in a Win7 environment?  Windows XP is archaic.  You can do what you can do with it.  You will be able to do increasingly less over time.

 

And you would very likely have to run a Windows 7 32 bit environment because the machine being used is very likely a 32 bit machine. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> I would just use a talking WinPE.
> WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
> That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
> Glenn
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
> Leepaisomboon
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?
>
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
> If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
> install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
> last phase of the Windows 7 setup?
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Ervin, Glenn
 

Gene,

You have apparently never used WinPE.

It is not a waste of time to become familiar with WinPE.

That ISO comes with tools that can be used on XP, and heck, you can get on-line with it.

If it is on a USB drive, instead of a DVD, you can install programs to it.

So it almost a full version of Windows 7.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

But the person is already using XP.  she wants to learn how to use the environment to install XP. 

 

People are free to waste time however they choose but this environment will not allow you to install Windows XP and it is probably a 64 bit environment.  Before downloading it and learning whatever you need to learn to even try to run it, such things should be considered to avoid a waste of time and effort.

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It would not hurt to try, you would know immediately if it won’t work.

I wouldn’t get on-line with XP, but sometimes you need XP for other things, like Microsoft Mobility center, or whatever it was called in XP.

If you have a legacy device, like a Trekker on a PDA, you cannot reinstall the firmware in the Microsoft Mobility Center because it won’t let you.

And if someone is happy with XP and is not getting on-line, that is a valid reason for using it.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It won't work.  How can you install XP in a Win7 environment?  Windows XP is archaic.  You can do what you can do with it.  You will be able to do increasingly less over time.

 

And you would very likely have to run a Windows 7 32 bit environment because the machine being used is very likely a 32 bit machine. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> I would just use a talking WinPE.
> WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
> That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
> Glenn
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
> Leepaisomboon
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?
>
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
> If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
> install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
> last phase of the Windows 7 setup?
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Gene
 

But the person is already using XP.  she wants to learn how to use the environment to install XP. 
 
People are free to waste time however they choose but this environment will not allow you to install Windows XP and it is probably a 64 bit environment.  Before downloading it and learning whatever you need to learn to even try to run it, such things should be considered to avoid a waste of time and effort.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

It would not hurt to try, you would know immediately if it won’t work.

I wouldn’t get on-line with XP, but sometimes you need XP for other things, like Microsoft Mobility center, or whatever it was called in XP.

If you have a legacy device, like a Trekker on a PDA, you cannot reinstall the firmware in the Microsoft Mobility Center because it won’t let you.

And if someone is happy with XP and is not getting on-line, that is a valid reason for using it.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It won't work.  How can you install XP in a Win7 environment?  Windows XP is archaic.  You can do what you can do with it.  You will be able to do increasingly less over time.

 

And you would very likely have to run a Windows 7 32 bit environment because the machine being used is very likely a 32 bit machine. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> I would just use a talking WinPE.
> WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
> That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
> Glenn
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
> Leepaisomboon
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?
>
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
> If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
> install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
> last phase of the Windows 7 setup?
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Ervin, Glenn
 

It would not hurt to try, you would know immediately if it won’t work.

I wouldn’t get on-line with XP, but sometimes you need XP for other things, like Microsoft Mobility center, or whatever it was called in XP.

If you have a legacy device, like a Trekker on a PDA, you cannot reinstall the firmware in the Microsoft Mobility Center because it won’t let you.

And if someone is happy with XP and is not getting on-line, that is a valid reason for using it.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

It won't work.  How can you install XP in a Win7 environment?  Windows XP is archaic.  You can do what you can do with it.  You will be able to do increasingly less over time.

 

And you would very likely have to run a Windows 7 32 bit environment because the machine being used is very likely a 32 bit machine. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> I would just use a talking WinPE.
> WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
> That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
> Glenn
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
> Leepaisomboon
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?
>
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
> If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
> install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
> last phase of the Windows 7 setup?
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Gene
 

It won't work.  How can you install XP in a Win7 environment?  Windows XP is archaic.  You can do what you can do with it.  You will be able to do increasingly less over time.
 
And you would very likely have to run a Windows 7 32 bit environment because the machine being used is very likely a 32 bit machine. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
> I would just use a talking WinPE.
> WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
> That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
> Glenn
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
> Leepaisomboon
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?
>
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
> If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
> install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
> last phase of the Windows 7 setup?
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Ervin, Glenn
 

I haven't tried the Windows 7 WinPE to install XP, but I'd give it a try.
The worse that could happen is that it will tell you that this installer does not support the operating system.
But I am guessing that it is backward compatible.
To use it, you burn the WinPE ISO to a DVD and boot up to it, and pull out the DVD and put in your Windows install DVD and run the setup.exe file on the install disk.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
I would just use a talking WinPE.
WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
Leepaisomboon
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Hi all,
Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite?
If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the
install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the
last phase of the Windows 7 setup?





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

I personally don't use the autoforms mode setting as I prefer to go in and out of forms or focus mode when working with edit boxes. Yes, I agree that it's important to learn how to work with edit boxes by reinforcing forms mode or focus mode rather than use the automatic setting.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

Yes, it does so automatically and I think that is a terrible feature to have on when teaching someone to use the Internet.  the person has enough to learn without worrying about things like that arrowing causes this to occur and that tabbing doesn't.  I don't know what happens when you move using quick navigation commands but I suspect you stay in browse mode.  It would be really inconvenient if you wanted to move by edit field until you find the one you want and to have browse mode turn off every time you type e.  And not using this automation allows the user to reinforce the difference between browse mode and forms mode and when you use which because changing the mode is not automatic. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 10:31 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

Does NVDA have an auto edit mode in web pages like JFW?
I usually arrow down the page and Jaws automatically goes into edit mode when it moves into an edit field.
The only time this is a pain is when I'm on a page with a lot of edit fields, and I can't seem to get out of them because every time I arrow down the page it pongs into another one.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

I never ever use tab only to navigate forms. In fact, I never ever use tab at all to do so. Too much info can be missed by not reading the entire screen. I use arrow keys and spacebar. Tabbing, some say, is the most efficient way to navigate forms mode. I say that tabbing is the most efficient way of missing what is not being read on the screen when using the arrow keys, or object navigation, in some extreme cases like Amazon, will pick that up.

On 8/31/2018 6:47 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
> Hi Group,
>
>
> This thread has continued on and on for 2 lists.  I don't normally use
> Blind Mice Mega Mall, but since everyone is commenting on its alleged
> lack of accessibility, I thought I would give it a go.
>
>
> Here is my analysis.  If I use the straight up/down arrow keys to
> navigate the page, when I reach a form field such as on the 'e-mail
> the mart' page, I am able to easily identify the form fields and fill
> them out.  This is a bit cumbersome, because you have to move in and
> out of forms/browse mode.  It is usable and thus, I feel that slamming
> the company for total inaccessibility is quite harsh and is
> unwarranted.  If however, I use browse/forms mode to begin with, as
> reported by several others, the form field do not read the labeling
> properly.  This is something I will report to the site owners via
> e-mail.  We shall see if it does any good.
>
>
> For this test, I am running Windows 10with both JAWS and NVDA and with
> the Edge and Firefox for browsers.
>
>
> On 8/31/2018 5:40 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>> OK I'll go and look and see what happens, note I do not use chrome.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian"
>> <sackriderbrian45@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
>>
>>
>>> I also posted this on the blind tech list and I kind of got bashed I
>>> guess that some people feel that we should not express our problems
>>> when they should know better there is just no excuse for this
>>> problem to occure especially on a blindness site they should be
>>> ashamed of themselves. Their site should be accessable for all
>>> screen readers and all brousers.
>>>
>>> Brian Sackrider
>>>
>>> On 8/30/2018 9:26 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you. There's no excuse for that site not to be
>>>> accessible--especially since they're supposedly designed for use
>>>> with screen readers. That's a disgrace!
>>>>
>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>>>> Of *brian
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:23 PM
>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
>>>> nvda
>>>>
>>>> I don't know why they have not fixt their site yet if you can't
>>>> fill out any forms you can't buy anything this site is not
>>>> accessable. You need to hear what gos in to each edit box when you
>>>> tab from edit box to edit box if you can't then the site is usless.
>>>>
>>>> Brian Sackrider
>>>>
>>>> On 8/30/2018 9:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi, Brian,
>>>>
>>>>     This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook
>>>> that
>>>>     has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think
>>>>     I'll shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.
>>>>
>>>>     Rosemarie
>>>>
>>>>     *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>     [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *brian
>>>>     *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
>>>>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
>>>> nvda
>>>>
>>>>     Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I
>>>>     have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you
>>>>     hear what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.
>>>>
>>>>     Brian Sackrider
>>>>
>>>>     On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site
>>>>         using an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no
>>>>         problem. I also looked at it years ago and saw no such
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>>         Gene
>>>>
>>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>>         *From:*brian <mailto:sackriderbrian45@...>
>>>>
>>>>         *Sent:*Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM
>>>>
>>>>         *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>
>>>>         *Subject:*[nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
>>>> nvda
>>>>
>>>>         When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit
>>>> box
>>>>         to edit
>>>>         box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest
>>>> version
>>>>         of fire
>>>>         fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when
>>>> I
>>>>         tab from
>>>>         edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with
>>>> add ons
>>>>         disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been
>>>> going
>>>>         on for
>>>>         years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
>>>>         occures in
>>>>         every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up
>>>>         for email
>>>>         newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know
>>>> what
>>>>         information is required in each edit box this makes the
>>>> site not
>>>>         accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of
>>>> nvda
>>>>         and the
>>>>         latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.
>>>>
>>>>         Brian Sackrider
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>






Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Gene
 

Yes, it does so automatically and I think that is a terrible feature to have on when teaching someone to use the Internet.  the person has enough to learn without worrying about things like that arrowing causes this to occur and that tabbing doesn't.  I don't know what happens when you move using quick navigation commands but I suspect you stay in browse mode.  It would be really inconvenient if you wanted to move by edit field until you find the one you want and to have browse mode turn off every time you type e.  And not using this automation allows the user to reinforce the difference between browse mode and forms mode and when you use which because changing the mode is not automatic. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Does NVDA have an auto edit mode in web pages like JFW?
I usually arrow down the page and Jaws automatically goes into edit mode when it moves into an edit field.
The only time this is a pain is when I'm on a page with a lot of edit fields, and I can't seem to get out of them because every time I arrow down the page it pongs into another one.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

I never ever use tab only to navigate forms. In fact, I never ever use tab at all to do so. Too much info can be missed by not reading the entire screen. I use arrow keys and spacebar. Tabbing, some say, is the most efficient way to navigate forms mode. I say that tabbing is the most efficient way of missing what is not being read on the screen when using the arrow keys, or object navigation, in some extreme cases like Amazon, will pick that up.

On 8/31/2018 6:47 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
> Hi Group,
>
>
> This thread has continued on and on for 2 lists.  I don't normally use
> Blind Mice Mega Mall, but since everyone is commenting on its alleged
> lack of accessibility, I thought I would give it a go.
>
>
> Here is my analysis.  If I use the straight up/down arrow keys to
> navigate the page, when I reach a form field such as on the 'e-mail
> the mart' page, I am able to easily identify the form fields and fill
> them out.  This is a bit cumbersome, because you have to move in and
> out of forms/browse mode.  It is usable and thus, I feel that slamming
> the company for total inaccessibility is quite harsh and is
> unwarranted.  If however, I use browse/forms mode to begin with, as
> reported by several others, the form field do not read the labeling
> properly.  This is something I will report to the site owners via
> e-mail.  We shall see if it does any good.
>
>
> For this test, I am running Windows 10with both JAWS and NVDA and with
> the Edge and Firefox for browsers.
>
>
> On 8/31/2018 5:40 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>> OK I'll go and look and see what happens, note I do not use chrome.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian"
>> <sackriderbrian45@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
>>
>>
>>> I also posted this on the blind tech list and I kind of got bashed I
>>> guess that some people feel that we should not express our problems
>>> when they should know better there is just no excuse for this
>>> problem to occure especially on a blindness site they should be
>>> ashamed of themselves. Their site should be accessable for all
>>> screen readers and all brousers.
>>>
>>> Brian Sackrider
>>>
>>> On 8/30/2018 9:26 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you. There's no excuse for that site not to be
>>>> accessible--especially since they're supposedly designed for use
>>>> with screen readers. That's a disgrace!
>>>>
>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>>>> Of *brian
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:23 PM
>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
>>>> nvda
>>>>
>>>> I don't know why they have not fixt their site yet if you can't
>>>> fill out any forms you can't buy anything this site is not
>>>> accessable. You need to hear what gos in to each edit box when you
>>>> tab from edit box to edit box if you can't then the site is usless.
>>>>
>>>> Brian Sackrider
>>>>
>>>> On 8/30/2018 9:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi, Brian,
>>>>
>>>>     This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook
>>>> that
>>>>     has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think
>>>>     I'll shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.
>>>>
>>>>     Rosemarie
>>>>
>>>>     *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>     [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *brian
>>>>     *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
>>>>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
>>>> nvda
>>>>
>>>>     Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I
>>>>     have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you
>>>>     hear what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.
>>>>
>>>>     Brian Sackrider
>>>>
>>>>     On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site
>>>>         using an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no
>>>>         problem. I also looked at it years ago and saw no such
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>>         Gene
>>>>
>>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>>         *From:*brian <mailto:sackriderbrian45@...>
>>>>
>>>>         *Sent:*Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM
>>>>
>>>>         *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>
>>>>         *Subject:*[nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
>>>> nvda
>>>>
>>>>         When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit
>>>> box
>>>>         to edit
>>>>         box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest
>>>> version
>>>>         of fire
>>>>         fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when
>>>> I
>>>>         tab from
>>>>         edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with
>>>> add ons
>>>>         disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been
>>>> going
>>>>         on for
>>>>         years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
>>>>         occures in
>>>>         every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up
>>>>         for email
>>>>         newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know
>>>> what
>>>>         information is required in each edit box this makes the
>>>> site not
>>>>         accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of
>>>> nvda
>>>>         and the
>>>>         latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.
>>>>
>>>>         Brian Sackrider
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>







Re: Issue with Firefox

Gene
 

There may be something that is a problem with how firefox works with the site.  Whether it is firefox or NVDA, I have no idea.  But when you turn browse mode off on any site, never assume where you are.  Always check by reading the current line, by shift tabbing and then tabbing or the opposite, tabbing and shift tabbing, to see if you are where you were in browse mode.  You can never assume that you will always be in the same place. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] Issue with Firefox

To all lister
Using NVDA 2018.2.1 with Firefox 61.2.0 (portable version), Recently I surfed a website created using drupal. When I press E to jump to an edit field, and press Space to switch to focus mode, NVDA sometimes responds slowly, or lose the focus. Thus I might activate the wrong object on the web. Don't know this is the problem from NVDA with that firefox version or not so I post here. If this is an issue, hope this would be fixed. If anybody know how to solve, please show me the step.
Cuong
----------------
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 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
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Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

hi ervin.
does it support windows xp for me to learn installation of windows myself?

On 9/4/18, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...> wrote:
I would just use a talking WinPE.
WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.
That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.
Glenn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut
Leepaisomboon
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Hi all,
Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite? If it
is possible, is there any command line switches to make the install silent
so that it can be installed automatically during the last phase of the
Windows 7 setup?




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

Ervin, Glenn
 

I would just use a talking WinPE.

WinPE is Windows Pre-install Environment.

That will give you a full talking installer using NVDA.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut Leepaisomboon
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

Hi all,
Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite? If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the last phase of the Windows 7 setup?


Re: Ribbon disabler and more.

Ervin, Glenn
 

If you disable the ribbon, does it offer the pull-down menus?
The ribbon would be better than nothing.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 2:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Ribbon disabler and more.

Disable ribbon menu in windows 10 and lots of other goodies etc.;

https://winaero.com/;

This web site has a stand alone menu changer and also a more elaborate toolkit and many interesting articles about computers and android phones etc; the ribbon disabler is near the bottom as I recall; but be aware as always; you can cause havoc by doing stuff with the registry of windows!; Brian


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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.


Re: Burning cd-disks using NVDA

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

Do you have a link handy for the slim installer?


Thanks,

George

On 9/3/2018 4:29 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Cdbxp has a slim installer, without opencandy, so I can install and use it.

Its not updated much but yeah, it works.

Thats why cdex and dvdvideosoft are on my bad books.



On 9/3/2018 9:32 PM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi,
Wow. CDBXP? OpenCandy? Never thought the two would ever be said together in the same sentence. Real shame. Just goes to reinforce why I always prefer portables over installers these days, if even once-reputable devs can start shipping garbage like that. Then again, look at the downhill plummet that CDex has taken...
Cheers,
Damien.

On 03/09/2018 10:18 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Actually more recent versions of the opencandy are not too bad at all, and even if you do not use unchecky, you will find that any other thing it installs will be easy to remove. Its not as annoying as the CCleaner  mash up.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA


Well you will need to use the installer without opencandy forgot where you get that but yeah its good.



On 9/3/2018 4:00 AM, Damien Garwood wrote:
Hi,
There is another one which I use called CDBurnerXP (www.cdburnerxp.se).
Cheers,
Damien.

On 02/09/2018 04:54 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I use a program called anyburn and it's fairly easy to work with. Anyburn is free and you can get it from www.anyburn.com.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arnþór Helgason
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 7:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA

I have had constant problams with burning cd-disks since Windows 2010.
I seem to be able to copy files to the entitle place but the burning doesn't start.
Any advices?

Best regards,
Arnthor Helgason
arnthor.helgason@...















.


Re: new facebook captcha

Ervin, Glenn
 

It won’t happen with this congress and president!Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut Leepaisomboon
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 10:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha

 

Perhaps the ADA should be amended to cover private companies as well...
Though I'm not in the US and so can't really petition Congress, but maybe someone in the US could create an online petition to ask Congress to amend the ADA to cover private companies. This is not about regulating the internet, this is about protecting the rights of people with disabilities.


Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Ervin, Glenn
 

I think that for a site that mainly sells to the Blind, he may find it important to make the page more accessible so it works with all screenreaders.
I can understand if another business that does not target the visually impaired has little motivation to make their page work with all screenreaders in a better way.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 4:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

I can remember when there was no such thing as a virtual buffer or browse mode or whatever the various flavors of screen readers wish to call it. It was a nightmare! I think Dr. Rick has it right--we have tools in the toolbox for a reason. To say a site is completely inaccessible when all a person wants to use is a screwdriver but they have a hammer & a wrench & pliers at their disposal, is inaccurate at best & libelous at worst. I have no affiliations whatever w/Blind Mice. None, nada, zip. But I do know Dale Campbell a little & I do remember when he had that site built. It was maybe 4 years ago? I remember he was having quite a bit of trouble then, &, although I don't know how much it cost, it had to have set him back a pretty penny. Small businesses cannot afford that every year or even every couple years, for that matter. They're also rather at the mercy of the folks who are constructing the site. So if they get someone who doesn't know what they're doing (& I am not at all saying this is the case--I think it has to do far more w/the change in accessibility guidelines & the implementation of newer technologies), then the business is screwed if their folks don't do it right. I've seen this so often! I think we need to be reasonable in our requests. If the site truly is unusable, or if we spend an hour filling out a form that should've taken us 10 minutes w/accessibility in place, then, yes, of course, they need to be contacted. But if all that's required is a few judicious presses of the down arrow key, then I'm not sure that making demands & saying they should be shuttered is at all reasonable. I think many truly don't understand what's involved in constructing a website, as well as the expense involved. For large institutions, it's a drop in the bucket. For small businesses, it can spell the difference between keeping the lights on & not being able to support one's family. Truly liberal application of the golden rule makes the world a better place for all to live in & let live. & the truth is that it is possible to be 100% in compliance w/accessibility guidelines & nonetheless have a completely unusable site, while the converse is also at least partially true. But the truth is totally that if folks don't avail themselves, for whatever the reasons, of the tools at their disposal, they're going to miss out on an awful lot.

On 8/31/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Sometimes, a lot of fuss can be used constructively, as demonstrated
by the progression of the thread.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


Seriously. What a lot of fuss over not much this all is.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: August 30, 2018 10:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

The problem is that the site is based on older technology. No--the tab
key does not work particularly well on the site, as is the case w/many sites.
But using arrow keys works very well. Using them, all form fields are
labeled, etc, using latest stable NVDA, Firefox, & Chrome.

So those who are having problems--have you tried using arrow keys? You
know, folks, it can cost a lot of money to keep websites up w/the
latest technologies. & these evolve so rapidly that one can find
oneself in a position of almost constantly having to pay for a revamp.
If the site truly were inaccessible, I'd have something to say--if for
no other reason that the web is what I do--but this from my experience
is not inaccessible nor has it ever been. Try up/down arrow keys,
yall. I think you'll like the results.

On 8/30/18, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:
somone who can fill out the contact form can contact them as I
said I have always had this problem so that means for several
versions of nvda so maybe we need an add on to read edit boxes when
you tab from edit box to edit box so you can hear what you need to
put in to the edit boxes.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 10:06 PM, Gene wrote:
Please stop rushing to condemnation. You have no grounds to not
purchase from the site. You don't know if this is a problem just
with new versions of NVDA. I looked at the site a number of years
ago and I didn't use Chrome. It worked properly. Please get the
facts about these kinds of situations before rushing to judgment.
If this is an NVDA problem, it is not a Mice Mart problem. If it
only happends in current or very recent versions of NVDA, then
something has very likely changed in NVDA. Once we determine if the
problem is very likely an NVDA or a site problem, we don't know if
the site has been contacted and how they have responded. If it is
there proboem, do they know about it? You have no facts.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 8:17 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Hi, Brian,

This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook that
has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think I'll
shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *brian
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I
have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you hear
what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site using
an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no problem. I also
looked at it years ago and saw no such problem.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*brian <mailto:sackriderbrian45@...>

*Sent:*Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to
edit
box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of
fire
fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab
from
edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add ons
disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going
on for
years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
occures in
every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for
email
newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know what
information is required in each edit box this makes the site not
accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the
latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider





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Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I think there is a setting for autoforms mode. It's in the browse mode setting. You have to check the box that says "karetbrowsing".

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Does NVDA have an auto edit mode in web pages like JFW?
I usually arrow down the page and Jaws automatically goes into edit mode when it moves into an edit field.
The only time this is a pain is when I'm on a page with a lot of edit fields, and I can't seem to get out of them because every time I arrow down the page it pongs into another one.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

I never ever use tab only to navigate forms. In fact, I never ever use tab at all to do so. Too much info can be missed by not reading the entire screen. I use arrow keys and spacebar. Tabbing, some say, is the most efficient way to navigate forms mode. I say that tabbing is the most efficient way of missing what is not being read on the screen when using the arrow keys, or object navigation, in some extreme cases like Amazon, will pick that up.

On 8/31/2018 6:47 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


This thread has continued on and on for 2 lists. I don't normally use
Blind Mice Mega Mall, but since everyone is commenting on its alleged
lack of accessibility, I thought I would give it a go.


Here is my analysis. If I use the straight up/down arrow keys to
navigate the page, when I reach a form field such as on the 'e-mail
the mart' page, I am able to easily identify the form fields and fill
them out. This is a bit cumbersome, because you have to move in and
out of forms/browse mode. It is usable and thus, I feel that slamming
the company for total inaccessibility is quite harsh and is
unwarranted. If however, I use browse/forms mode to begin with, as
reported by several others, the form field do not read the labeling
properly. This is something I will report to the site owners via
e-mail. We shall see if it does any good.


For this test, I am running Windows 10with both JAWS and NVDA and with
the Edge and Firefox for browsers.


On 8/31/2018 5:40 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
OK I'll go and look and see what happens, note I do not use chrome.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "brian"
<sackriderbrian45@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


I also posted this on the blind tech list and I kind of got bashed I
guess that some people feel that we should not express our problems
when they should know better there is just no excuse for this
problem to occure especially on a blindness site they should be
ashamed of themselves. Their site should be accessable for all
screen readers and all brousers.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:26 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I agree with you. There's no excuse for that site not to be
accessible--especially since they're supposedly designed for use
with screen readers. That's a disgrace!

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *brian
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:23 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
nvda

I don't know why they have not fixt their site yet if you can't
fill out any forms you can't buy anything this site is not
accessable. You need to hear what gos in to each edit box when you
tab from edit box to edit box if you can't then the site is usless.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Brian,

This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook
that
has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think
I'll shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *brian
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
nvda

Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I
have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you
hear what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site
using an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no
problem. I also looked at it years ago and saw no such
problem.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*brian <mailto:sackriderbrian45@...>

*Sent:*Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
nvda

When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit
box
to edit
box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest
version
of fire
fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when
I
tab from
edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with
add ons
disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been
going
on for
years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
occures in
every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up
for email
newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know
what
information is required in each edit box this makes the
site not
accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of
nvda
and the
latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider









Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Ervin, Glenn
 

Does NVDA have an auto edit mode in web pages like JFW?
I usually arrow down the page and Jaws automatically goes into edit mode when it moves into an edit field.
The only time this is a pain is when I'm on a page with a lot of edit fields, and I can't seem to get out of them because every time I arrow down the page it pongs into another one.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

I never ever use tab only to navigate forms. In fact, I never ever use tab at all to do so. Too much info can be missed by not reading the entire screen. I use arrow keys and spacebar. Tabbing, some say, is the most efficient way to navigate forms mode. I say that tabbing is the most efficient way of missing what is not being read on the screen when using the arrow keys, or object navigation, in some extreme cases like Amazon, will pick that up.

On 8/31/2018 6:47 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


This thread has continued on and on for 2 lists.  I don't normally use
Blind Mice Mega Mall, but since everyone is commenting on its alleged
lack of accessibility, I thought I would give it a go.


Here is my analysis.  If I use the straight up/down arrow keys to
navigate the page, when I reach a form field such as on the 'e-mail
the mart' page, I am able to easily identify the form fields and fill
them out.  This is a bit cumbersome, because you have to move in and
out of forms/browse mode.  It is usable and thus, I feel that slamming
the company for total inaccessibility is quite harsh and is
unwarranted.  If however, I use browse/forms mode to begin with, as
reported by several others, the form field do not read the labeling
properly.  This is something I will report to the site owners via
e-mail.  We shall see if it does any good.


For this test, I am running Windows 10with both JAWS and NVDA and with
the Edge and Firefox for browsers.


On 8/31/2018 5:40 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
OK I'll go and look and see what happens, note I do not use chrome.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "brian"
<sackriderbrian45@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


I also posted this on the blind tech list and I kind of got bashed I
guess that some people feel that we should not express our problems
when they should know better there is just no excuse for this
problem to occure especially on a blindness site they should be
ashamed of themselves. Their site should be accessable for all
screen readers and all brousers.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:26 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I agree with you. There's no excuse for that site not to be
accessible--especially since they're supposedly designed for use
with screen readers. That's a disgrace!

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *brian
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:23 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
nvda

I don't know why they have not fixt their site yet if you can't
fill out any forms you can't buy anything this site is not
accessable. You need to hear what gos in to each edit box when you
tab from edit box to edit box if you can't then the site is usless.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

    Hi, Brian,

    This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook
that
    has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think
    I'll shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.

    Rosemarie

    *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *brian
    *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
    *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    *Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
nvda

    Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I
    have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you
    hear what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.

    Brian Sackrider

    On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:

        I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site
        using an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no
        problem. I also looked at it years ago and saw no such
problem.

        Gene

        ----- Original Message -----

        *From:*brian <mailto:sackriderbrian45@...>

        *Sent:*Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM

        *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

        *Subject:*[nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
nvda

        When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit
box
        to edit
        box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest
version
        of fire
        fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when
I
        tab from
        edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with
add ons
        disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been
going
        on for
        years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
        occures in
        every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up
        for email
        newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know
what
        information is required in each edit box this makes the
site not
        accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of
nvda
        and the
        latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

        Brian Sackrider









Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Ervin, Glenn
 

My work-around for not knowing which checkbox is for which item is to go back up to the top and see which comes first, the item or the checkbox, if it comes first on the first item, it should be the same all the way down the page.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 4:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

There lots of sites like this. Some work in jaws but not nvda and some the reverse. Does anyone know if there is an agreed convention to where the text of the field identifier should be or whether a page author can add some code to force screen readers to read it?
I've also come across the same issue on surveys where one does not know if the checkbox or radio button is before or after the legend and in others graphic tags are used with no alt tags.
Somebody needs to sort these issues out and come up with hard and fast rules for everyone to use I think.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "brian" <sackriderbrian45@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to edit box
all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of fire fox.
When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab from edit box
to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add ons disabled and it's
still the same. This problems has been going on for years now and they
have not fixt the problem. This problem occures in every edit box on the
site the contact form and the sign up for email newsletters. you can't
fill out any form if you don't know what information is required in each
edit box this makes the site not accessable like it or not. I have the
latest version of nvda and the latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider




Integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 setup?

 

Hi all,
Is it possible to integrate NVDA into the Windows 7 ISO using NTLite? If it is possible, is there any command line switches to make the install silent so that it can be installed automatically during the last phase of the Windows 7 setup?